Great Steve Young insult to Irvin (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

It's a weird phenomena to me...I think Michael Irvin has great insight on the game and I respect his commentary and braggadoccio mentality. It's funny to hear everyone cap on 'em as some of the wisecracks are funny but I can't help but think that most of America hates to see the "IRVIN/Deion Sanders" type be themselves...especially when they are getting paid, are exceptional athletes, and know that your babes secretly crave them...(snickering)...but I understand.

I see this throughout the forums and I like it cuz I get to see how you REALLY feel outside of the PC of corporate america....eye-opening.

Oh, I don't know, I think Irvin's yelling and screaming and not making sense 99% of the time might have more to do with it. It appears you are trying to play the race card without actually doing it. Let me tell you it doesn't fly.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...p;#entry2314763JohnnyU = Irvin

 

[remote controller]

Just as amusing was that other Espn tool, Stuart Scott's reply to defend Irvin, "The man did win 3 Superbowl rings"Not sure who I dislike listening to more...Irvin or Scott.

He also sat off to the side and taunted Irvin for about a minute, while he was speaking, repeating over and over Koo Koo!!

 

[rupricht]

It's a weird phenomena to me...I think Michael Irvin has great insight on the game and I respect his commentary and braggadoccio mentality. It's funny to hear everyone cap on 'em as some of the wisecracks are funny but I can't help but think that most of America hates to see the "IRVIN/Deion Sanders" type be themselves...especially when they are getting paid, are exceptional athletes, and know that your babes secretly crave them...(snickering)...but I understand.I see this throughout the forums and I like it cuz I get to see how you REALLY feel outside of the PC of corporate america....eye-opening.

Yup - why not simply come out and say that those who dislike Irvin & Sanders are racists as this is what you are clearly implying. Pretty pathetic.

 

[redman]

The context was that Irvin was ragging on Plummer saying that after witnessing tonight's game Denver had no chance of getting to the Superbowl.Ridiculous statement since Plummer basically won this game for Denver against perhaps the best D in the game. I'm glad Young set him right.

Not ridiculous, but correct. Jake Plummer will not lead this Bronco team to the SuperBowl, he simply isn't good enough, and too mistake prone.

That's what they said about Trent Dilfer.

 

[Sinrman]

too many people missing the point here. allow me to break it down, 1 2 3 style1.Irvin is a moron2. He keeps getting called out by intelligent, classy, well educated guys (Young, TJ)3. ESPN continues to slip down that slope of appealing to moronic thugs who apparently make up most of their viewer base

 

[Mungo Burrows]

2. He keeps getting called out by intelligent, classy, well educated guys (Young, TJ)

I think it says volumes when the guy who responds to you with "Are you retarded?" is considered the "intelligent, classy, well educated" one.

 

[shakeybarn]

My top football TV figureheads..Troy AikmanSteve YoungHowie LongTom JacksonRon JaworskiPeople I turn the channel off for...Stu ScottMike IrvinShannon SharpeChris CollinsworthSean Salisbury

Shannon needs a speech therapist, seriously.Boomer Esiason is great on radio, and belongs back on TV.Here's an up-and-comer who is going to be great on TV... Marshall Faulk. Needs justs a litte more polish, but he's still the inner-city New Orleans kid who can eloquently and succinctly speak to and about the game of football, be fun, knows when (and more importantly) how much 'side conversation' to embark on, doesn't have to reach for a reaction as he has a concise and usually accurate take on many facets, always has a smile, and is constructive in his critique ...not a blathering rip sesson on someone a la Irvin or McGuire. Faulk will appeal to many audiences, ... look forward to his success as a broadcaster. Take it to the bank.

Good call on Faulk. He's been a joy to watch thus far. I hope he gets the permanent gig.

I think he will. Maybe in front of the camera will be cause enough for him to get his fill of football and just retire, surrounded by retirees that he'll see limping in the studio/booth on a cold winter day from years of knee woes.More on Faulk... he's relaxed on camera. Just natural, most current players are stiff, wearing suits that don't fit and are overstated.

 

[TheLaw]

I like Rich Eisen but the NFL Network's biggest sin is a total lack of sack when it comes to interviews. They don't touch the controversial stuff. Eisen sitting around and yapping with current players isn't a bad thing but it shouldn't be misconstrued as in depth coverage. I feel like Rich will discuss a players car stereo before he'll tackle an issue. That's a shame because the NFL Network at least has the potential to offer excellent information.

Hi hound,I don't have any special insights there but I'm pretty sure that's the network and not so much Eisen.There are lots of people very leery about a "state run media" in the NFL network.As they get stronger, I think you'll see a sharpening distinction between them and ESPN. It's Tiki Barber reads to school kids vs Mike Irvin talks about his drug use as a player type stuff.Very interesting time for the sport.J

I was thinking the same thing actually. BFL Network should be better for information you would think though.Side note: Corey Chaverous was the best draft analyst this April. I hope NFL-N uses him more.

 

[BeTheMatch]

too many people missing the point here. allow me to break it down, 1 2 3 style

1.Irvin is a moron

2. He keeps getting called out by intelligent, classy, well educated guys (Young, TJ)

3. ESPN continues to slip down that slope of appealing to moronic thugs who apparently make up most of their viewer base

Tom Jackson is classy? This is the same Tom Jackson that asked Irvin if he was ######ed earlier this year? Yeah, that exudes class.Sorry, Mungo beat me to it. And I think it says a lot when the word Jackson used gets automatically censored on this site.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I like Rich Eisen but the NFL Network's biggest sin is a total lack of sack when it comes to interviews. They don't touch the controversial stuff. Eisen sitting around and yapping with current players isn't a bad thing but it shouldn't be misconstrued as in depth coverage. I feel like Rich will discuss a players car stereo before he'll tackle an issue. That's a shame because the NFL Network at least has the potential to offer excellent information.

Hi hound,I don't have any special insights there but I'm pretty sure that's the network and not so much Eisen.There are lots of people very leery about a "state run media" in the NFL network.As they get stronger, I think you'll see a sharpening distinction between them and ESPN. It's Tiki Barber reads to school kids vs Mike Irvin talks about his drug use as a player type stuff.Very interesting time for the sport.J

I was thinking the same thing actually. BFL Network should be better for information you would think though.Side note: Corey Chaverous was the best draft analyst this April. I hope NFL-N uses him more.

Hi TL,Yes, the access they have is a big issue for the "traditional" media. Watch a Rich Eisen interview on NFL Total Access. The player acts like he's thrilled to be on. They often complain that it's been too long since Eisen has had him on. Same player sits at the press conference with the beat writers, and he acts like it's killing him to have to talk to the press. J

 

[stbugs]

While not trying to defend Irvin, but it seems like they have him setup to be the guy everyone dumps on. As mentioned above, almost to make it "more entertaining."

TJ and Young pointed out that even though Denver just beat Baltimore, Irvin had Baltimore at #5 and above Denver who wasn't on the list, but probably next. We then go to Steve Youngs list and he has:

4. Cincy

5. NE

Not one person mentioned to Young that oh by the way, did you happen to catch the 38-13 thrashing of Cincy by NE @ Cincy which happened to be last week. Cincy was on a bye this week and NE beat Miami, so not like there was any chance for Cincy to look better yet.

Irvin saying Baltimore is better than Denver after last night's loss on the road in Denver (which was 3-3 in the 4th Quarter), to me is a lot less insane than saying Cincy is better than NE after the absolute drilling at home in Cincy.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I think Marshall Faulk as a former player is by far the most intelligent player to listen to for NFL analysis. The guy is intelligent and is very well spoken. He was known as an intelligent player and a great guy and his analysis on NFL network is really good.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think Marshall Faulk as a former player is by far the most intelligent player to listen to for NFL analysis. The guy is intelligent and is very well spoken. He was known as an intelligent player and a great guy and his analysis on NFL network is really good.

Agreed, he's excellent. Better than I thought he'd be. The other former players are brutal in comparison.He's all done as a player I think - partly because he's got such a bright future in the studio.J

 

[Sinrman]

I'm fine with Irvin on the show. Like him or not, he's an intersting guy. I actually love the mix with Young / Irvin / Jackson. They do a great job of covering their audience base. J

Hey Joe,Gotta disagree with you there. Irvin is a major homer (even more than Ditka and Da Bears), is constantly defending TO mainly because he's a troubled receiver much like he was when he played, and he just sounds like a bumbling idiot.But hey, to each their own. I bet if we asked here, it would be split down the middle...

 

[Wadsworth]

While I do enjoy Irvin bashing as much as the next guy and believe me I do, the real point to me is not just why does Irvin have a job. It's why do 75% of these guys have a job? I could care less who Shannon Sharpe thinks are the top 5 teams in the NFC. I don't need Deion Sanders telling me who had the best TD celebration dance. It's not just Irvin, all of these cult of personality so called NFL experts are a huge waste of time. The pregame shows, post game shows, highlight shows, draft shows are filled with these players that have opinions that are less educated than maybe 100 people that post in this forum for example. Do you really care who Jerome Bettis thinks is a good fantasy WR? Or what Mike Vrabel thinks about the Seahawks second round draft pick? Corey Chavous should have a gig at draft time, but what other player has even a half-educated opinion? Give me a fantasy geek, a former scout, a professional gambler, a former coach even, just please stop force-feeding me these loud mouthed ex-jocks that do little outside of supporting their player/friends and "keep it real".

 

[Wildcat]

While I do enjoy Irvin bashing as much as the next guy and believe me I do, the real point to me is not just why does Irvin have a job. It's why do 75% of these guys have a job? I could care less who Shannon Sharpe thinks are the top 5 teams in the NFC. I don't need Deion Sanders telling me who had the best TD celebration dance. It's not just Irvin, all of these cult of personality so called NFL experts are a huge waste of time. The pregame shows, post game shows, highlight shows, draft shows are filled with these players that have opinions that are less educated than maybe 100 people that post in this forum for example. Do you really care who Jerome Bettis thinks is a good fantasy WR? Or what Mike Vrabel thinks about the Seahawks second round draft pick? Corey Chavous should have a gig at draft time, but what other player has even a half-educated opinion? Give me a fantasy geek, a former scout, a professional gambler, a former coach even, just please stop force-feeding me these loud mouthed ex-jocks that do little outside of supporting their player/friends and "keep it real".

 

[stbugs]

While I do enjoy Irvin bashing as much as the next guy and believe me I do, the real point to me is not just why does Irvin have a job. It's why do 75% of these guys have a job? I could care less who Shannon Sharpe thinks are the top 5 teams in the NFC. I don't need Deion Sanders telling me who had the best TD celebration dance. It's not just Irvin, all of these cult of personality so called NFL experts are a huge waste of time. The pregame shows, post game shows, highlight shows, draft shows are filled with these players that have opinions that are less educated than maybe 100 people that post in this forum for example. Do you really care who Jerome Bettis thinks is a good fantasy WR? Or what Mike Vrabel thinks about the Seahawks second round draft pick? Corey Chavous should have a gig at draft time, but what other player has even a half-educated opinion? Give me a fantasy geek, a former scout, a professional gambler, a former coach even, just please stop force-feeding me these loud mouthed ex-jocks that do little outside of supporting their player/friends and "keep it real".

I agree completely. It was so obvious that no one calling out Young on his Cincy over NE ranking just proved to me that Irvin was just there to get bashed on because ESPN thinks that that is good TV. The Cincy/NE game was a pretty big game and it was last week so not sure how it would get forgotten, but it was just TJ/Young punking Irvin. Again, not saying Irvin isn't a horrible analyst, but it is unwatchable as there is nothing insightful about it.

 

[2112]

While I do enjoy Irvin bashing as much as the next guy and believe me I do, the real point to me is not just why does Irvin have a job. It's why do 75% of these guys have a job? I could care less who Shannon Sharpe thinks are the top 5 teams in the NFC. I don't need Deion Sanders telling me who had the best TD celebration dance. It's not just Irvin, all of these cult of personality so called NFL experts are a huge waste of time. The pregame shows, post game shows, highlight shows, draft shows are filled with these players that have opinions that are less educated than maybe 100 people that post in this forum for example. Do you really care who Jerome Bettis thinks is a good fantasy WR? Or what Mike Vrabel thinks about the Seahawks second round draft pick? Corey Chavous should have a gig at draft time, but what other player has even a half-educated opinion? Give me a fantasy geek, a former scout, a professional gambler, a former coach even, just please stop force-feeding me these loud mouthed ex-jocks that do little outside of supporting their player/friends and "keep it real".

I thoroughly enjoyed last season's duo of Eric Allen & Mike Ditka on ESPNews; the combo of those two really added "reasonable" insight into the games for me. Now they moved Ditka out "front" to be with the Irvin sideshow, and paired Qadry Ismael with EA. Not as solid as last year, but still better than the other combos ESPN seems to put together.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Just as amusing was that other Espn tool, Stuart Scott's reply to defend Irvin, "The man did win 3 Superbowl rings"Not sure who I dislike listening to more...Irvin or Scott.

That proves how stupid Scott is. Young has three Super Bowl Rings as well. Steve should have turned to Stuart and said, "Yeah, and so did I. Where are your rings Stu and who invited you into the conversation."

 

[#1 SPOT]

It's a weird phenomena to me...I think Michael Irvin has great insight on the game and I respect his commentary and braggadoccio mentality. It's funny to hear everyone cap on 'em as some of the wisecracks are funny but I can't help but think that most of America hates to see the "IRVIN/Deion Sanders" type be themselves...especially when they are getting paid, are exceptional athletes, and know that your babes secretly crave them...(snickering)...but I understand.I see this throughout the forums and I like it cuz I get to see how you REALLY feel outside of the PC of corporate america....eye-opening.

Yup - why not simply come out and say that those who dislike Irvin & Sanders are racists as this is what you are clearly implying. Pretty pathetic.

Aw Rupricht, it's definitely not about being racist cuz that's so "passe"...in fact that doesn't matter. It's really just a neverending jealousy of recent past and present athletes. They make a buncha money, they have great abilities, good looks, and CHICKS go nuts over them. They have an aura that makes them almost supernatural with their skillsets.

 

[Cenobite]

too many people missing the point here. allow me to break it down, 1 2 3 style2. He keeps getting called out by intelligent, classy, well educated guys (Young, TJ)

Id love to see Irvin try a comeback on Young. It wouldnt even be a battle of wits. It would be a battle of wits vs half-wit.

In a battle of wits Irvin would be unarmed.

 

[Warpig]

Just as amusing was that other Espn tool, Stuart Scott's reply to defend Irvin, "The man did win 3 Superbowl rings"

Not sure who I dislike listening to more...Irvin or Scott.

And how many did Steve Young win? That defense was defenseless.

 

[Texican]

Irvins on crack

It was his brother's. He was just holding it for him.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Just as amusing was that other Espn tool, Stuart Scott's reply to defend Irvin, "The man did win 3 Superbowl rings"Not sure who I dislike listening to more...Irvin or Scott.

That proves how stupid Scott is. Young has three Super Bowl Rings as well. Steve should have turned to Stuart and said, "Yeah, and so did I. Where are your rings Stu and who invited you into the conversation."

Actually, Young should have turned to Scott and said, "Yeah, but I'm in the Hall of Fame. Is he?"

 

[houndirish]

The context was that Irvin was ragging on Plummer saying that after witnessing tonight's game Denver had no chance of getting to the Superbowl.

Ridiculous statement since Plummer basically won this game for Denver against perhaps the best D in the game. I'm glad Young set him right.

Not ridiculous, but correct. Jake Plummer will not lead this Bronco team to the SuperBowl, he simply isn't good enough, and too mistake prone.

How many QB's are good enough? Trent Dilfer, Phil Simms, Rich Gannon, Brad Johnson, Kerry Collins, Chris Chandler, Mark Rypien, Etc.

Whoa there fella ... how do you figure Phil Simms fits in the category with the QB's you listed? Simms's career was not too shabby (struggling to keep my homer impulse from lashing out). Now had you said Jeff Hostetler I wouldn't have objected. But Simms? C'mon dude, the guy holds the Super Bowl record for completion percentage. He was hardly a pedestrian QB. FYI, Gannon, Chandler and Collins actually weren't good enough to win the Super Bowl.

 

[Wheelhouse]

If I had my choice, this is who I would want analyzing games for a pre-game show on my network, if I had a network.

1. A former coach - I have no problem with Mike Ditka, he tells you like it is, but I'd like to get **** Vermeil on the team. He really impressed me with his color analyst work in that SD/OAK monday night game early in the season.

2. Steve Young - Great analyst, IMO. Knows the game extremely well and comes across as very astute, yet still has that athlete in him.

3. Sterling Sharpe - Very well spoken and he mixes well with others in his analysis

4. Sean Salisbury - some people might think I'm for this pick, but I really like how he breaks plays/games down. I wouldn't necessarily have him on the front panel, but more of a "guy on the side" that gives his input when asked.

5. Ron Jaworski - Not only does he analyze very well, he speaks and makes you believe what he is saying

6. Just for cases when it's needed - a former referee that knows the game, knows the rules and gives you his insight. Red Cashion maybe?

7. The ring leader, the one who sets everything up. The Chris Berman of the show - Chris Berman. I am not a fan of Berman doing play by play, but his niche is the analyst desk and taking charge. He gets you pumped up and he also controls the flow. If I could not get Berman, a close 2nd would be Mike Tirico.

 

[houndirish]

While I do enjoy Irvin bashing as much as the next guy and believe me I do, the real point to me is not just why does Irvin have a job. It's why do 75% of these guys have a job? I could care less who Shannon Sharpe thinks are the top 5 teams in the NFC. I don't need Deion Sanders telling me who had the best TD celebration dance. It's not just Irvin, all of these cult of personality so called NFL experts are a huge waste of time. The pregame shows, post game shows, highlight shows, draft shows are filled with these players that have opinions that are less educated than maybe 100 people that post in this forum for example. Do you really care who Jerome Bettis thinks is a good fantasy WR? Or what Mike Vrabel thinks about the Seahawks second round draft pick? Corey Chavous should have a gig at draft time, but what other player has even a half-educated opinion? Give me a fantasy geek, a former scout, a professional gambler, a former coach even, just please stop force-feeding me these loud mouthed ex-jocks that do little outside of supporting their player/friends and "keep it real".

Amen brother.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'm fine with Irvin on the show. Like him or not, he's an intersting guy. I actually love the mix with Young / Irvin / Jackson. They do a great job of covering their audience base.

J

 

[houndirish]

I'm a substance guy, not a fan of fluff and flash so I'd rather watch guys who actually give content.

Tom Jackson, Ron Jaworski, a former Head Coach, provided it's not Jerry Glanville and maybe a guy like Ronnie Lott or Howie Long. This would give me guys who could speak coherently about the games, wouldn't shout over each other, and also are a nice blend of positions. They could all offer a perspective the other guy couldn't. Might not be a bad idea to add a former O-Lineman too, maybe Mark Schlereth. The studio host is the easiest job to fill. All he has to do is introduce a topic and then keep his mouth shut. Shouldn't be too tough to find that guy. Heck I could do it!

Is it me or does Stu Scott's eye look worse every time I see it. That thing was giving me the heebie jeebies last night. He had a real Edgar Allen Poe mystique about it.

 

[belyeapower]

Just as amusing was that other Espn tool, Stuart Scott's reply to defend Irvin, "The man did win 3 Superbowl rings"Not sure who I dislike listening to more...Irvin or Scott.

That proves how stupid Scott is. Young has three Super Bowl Rings as well. Steve should have turned to Stuart and said, "Yeah, and so did I. Where are your rings Stu and who invited you into the conversation."

i agree scott is a toolshedbut to be fairirvin helped earn 3 ringsyoung earned 1 and was along for the ride for the other 2im an eagles fan saying thisoh god - im taking myself out behind the woodshed for defending that statement

 

[nygiants56]

Just as amusing was that other Espn tool, Stuart Scott's reply to defend Irvin, "The man did win 3 Superbowl rings"Not sure who I dislike listening to more...Irvin or Scott.

tough call, there..does anyone actually call Philadelphia the 'ill-a-dell', as Stuart Scott ALWAYS says, to ad naseum?!? I live in northern NJ , I've never heard anyone EVER call Philly anything other than Philly..never heard of the ill-a-dell..he's a dope.

 

[belyeapower]

I'm fine with Irvin on the show. Like him or not, he's an intersting guy. I actually love the mix with Young / Irvin / Jackson. They do a great job of covering their audience base. J

agreedin a perfect world we would only have educated analysts doing games and pregame stuff - but lets face it - the name of the game anymore is entertainment - and irvin is entertaining whether he ticks you off or makes you laugh he gets the viewers attention.i mean madden hasnt made any astounding analysis in years (ever?) yet he is entertaining and has a TV presence.unfortunately if you want real analysis and smart info you have to READ - TV is for entertainment and to catch the casual fan up on info the hardcore people knew hours or days before.so ultimately if you are watching espn for anythingother than scores you'll prob get annoyed - b/c they have gone to full time entertainment - they are good occasionally for a breaking story and whatnot and they have lots of coverage - but for real analysis and facts.. well you arent going to find it on TV why dont they make an effort to appeal to the hardcore 'informed' fans? b/c they are by far the minority of viewersirvin is a nut and you cant take what he says seriously ever - but he does have personality whether you love it or hate it - and thats what you have to have to be on TV

 

[Ghost Rider]

i agree scott is a toolshedbut to be fairirvin helped earn 3 ringsyoung earned 1 and was along for the ride for the other 2

That is not entirely true. Remember Young's awesome TD run against Minnesota? Without that win, the 49ers do not make the playoffs that year, and win the Super Bowl, IIRC.

 

[JohnnyU]

It's a weird phenomena to me...I think Michael Irvin has great insight on the game and I respect his commentary and braggadoccio mentality. It's funny to hear everyone cap on 'em as some of the wisecracks are funny but I can't help but think that most of America hates to see the "IRVIN/Deion Sanders" type be themselves...especially when they are getting paid, are exceptional athletes, and know that your babes secretly crave them...(snickering)...but I understand.I see this throughout the forums and I like it cuz I get to see how you REALLY feel outside of the PC of corporate america....eye-opening.

Yup - why not simply come out and say that those who dislike Irvin & Sanders are racists as this is what you are clearly implying. Pretty pathetic.

Aw Rupricht, it's definitely not about being racist cuz that's so "passe"...in fact that doesn't matter. It's really just a neverending jealousy of recent past and present athletes. They make a buncha money, they have great abilities, good looks, and CHICKS go nuts over them. They have an aura that makes them almost supernatural with their skillsets.

That is so gay.Not that there's anything wrong with that - Jerry Sienfeld

 

[softball]

Tom Jackson

Boomer

Steve Young

And NO ONE else. I cannnot watch the Pre Games anymore. They are a sideshow/fluff piece/backslappin/buddy protecting waste of time.

 

[BeTheMatch]

While I do enjoy Irvin bashing as much as the next guy and believe me I do, the real point to me is not just why does Irvin have a job. It's why do 75% of these guys have a job? I could care less who Shannon Sharpe thinks are the top 5 teams in the NFC. I don't need Deion Sanders telling me who had the best TD celebration dance. It's not just Irvin, all of these cult of personality so called NFL experts are a huge waste of time. The pregame shows, post game shows, highlight shows, draft shows are filled with these players that have opinions that are less educated than maybe 100 people that post in this forum for example. Do you really care who Jerome Bettis thinks is a good fantasy WR? Or what Mike Vrabel thinks about the Seahawks second round draft pick? Corey Chavous should have a gig at draft time, but what other player has even a half-educated opinion? Give me a fantasy geek, a former scout, a professional gambler, a former coach even, just please stop force-feeding me these loud mouthed ex-jocks that do little outside of supporting their player/friends and "keep it real".

This is the same Corey Chavous that had Reggie McNeal as the No. 1 overall player in the draft last year?

 

[hotdogcollars]

I'm fine with Irvin on the show. Like him or not, he's an intersting guy. I actually love the mix with Young / Irvin / Jackson. They do a great job of covering their audience base. J

All due respect Joe, but that, IMO, is the wrong way to run a biz. Just ask the NBA what happens when you cater to your "audience base". From mainstream, mega popular to backpeddling and excuse making as a result of too much thuggish behavior. And image is everything since the NFL actually has as many if not more off the field incidents as the NBA. Since the NFL has been button up tight about everything, they get away with it.I have no problem with different points of view, its just that the show turns into a shouting match with no actual points.As far as other posters talking about TJ not being classy for calling Irvin mentally challenged...well, call a spade a spade and i have no problem with it

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I'm a substance guy, not a fan of fluff and flash so I'd rather watch guys who actually give content.

Tom Jackson, Ron Jaworski, a former Head Coach, provided it's not Jerry Glanville and maybe a guy like Ronnie Lott or Howie Long. This would give me guys who could speak coherently about the games, wouldn't shout over each other, and also are a nice blend of positions. They could all offer a perspective the other guy couldn't. Might not be a bad idea to add a former O-Lineman too, maybe Mark Schlereth. The studio host is the easiest job to fill. All he has to do is introduce a topic and then keep his mouth shut. Shouldn't be too tough to find that guy. Heck I could do it!

Is it me or does Stu Scott's eye look worse every time I see it. That thing was giving me the heebie jeebies last night. He had a real Edgar Allen Poe mystique about it.

Good choices all around here. However the host's job looks easy but it's amazing how few people really do it well. From what I've seen this year: the downgrade at fox, the snoozefest that is Football Night in America, and the Stu Scott train wreck, James Brown's talent is hugely underappreciated.

 

[Wreckincrew]

Best show on ESPN - NFL Matchup

 

[Miscellaneous]

For those of you who have to be on the road on the odd Sunday, the ESPN Radio guys who handle the ongoing football scores and storylines are quality - Salisbury doesn't get into his fake smack-talk BS, and Marcus Allen really knows football.

 

[rupricht]

It's a weird phenomena to me...I think Michael Irvin has great insight on the game and I respect his commentary and braggadoccio mentality. It's funny to hear everyone cap on 'em as some of the wisecracks are funny but I can't help but think that most of America hates to see the "IRVIN/Deion Sanders" type be themselves...especially when they are getting paid, are exceptional athletes, and know that your babes secretly crave them...(snickering)...but I understand.I see this throughout the forums and I like it cuz I get to see how you REALLY feel outside of the PC of corporate america....eye-opening.

Yup - why not simply come out and say that those who dislike Irvin & Sanders are racists as this is what you are clearly implying. Pretty pathetic.

Aw Rupricht, it's definitely not about being racist cuz that's so "passe"...in fact that doesn't matter. It's really just a neverending jealousy of recent past and present athletes. They make a buncha money, they have great abilities, good looks, and CHICKS go nuts over them. They have an aura that makes them almost supernatural with their skillsets.

Oh, so by "IRVIN/Deion Sanders" types you simply meant recent past and present athletes. Of course, how did I miss that! It sounds like you have some serious issues. I was under the opinion that we hold the most skilled athletes, recent and past, in the highest regard. Heck there is a billion dollar industry which attests to this fact....I'm looking over my shoulder right now and what do you know I see a Michael Jordan poster, All hail to his airness. No Jealousy here nor any worries of my "babes secretly craving them". Hmmmm

 

[u999spf]

If I had my choice, this is who I would want analyzing games for a pre-game show on my network, if I had a network.1. A former coach - I have no problem with Mike Ditka, he tells you like it is, but I'd like to get **** Vermeil on the team. He really impressed me with his color analyst work in that SD/OAK monday night game early in the season. 2. Steve Young - Great analyst, IMO. Knows the game extremely well and comes across as very astute, yet still has that athlete in him.3. Sterling Sharpe - Very well spoken and he mixes well with others in his analysis4. Sean Salisbury - some people might think I'm for this pick, but I really like how he breaks plays/games down. I wouldn't necessarily have him on the front panel, but more of a "guy on the side" that gives his input when asked.5. Ron Jaworski - Not only does he analyze very well, he speaks and makes you believe what he is saying6. Just for cases when it's needed - a former referee that knows the game, knows the rules and gives you his insight. Red Cashion maybe?7. The ring leader, the one who sets everything up. The Chris Berman of the show - Chris Berman. I am not a fan of Berman doing play by play, but his niche is the analyst desk and taking charge. He gets you pumped up and he also controls the flow. If I could not get Berman, a close 2nd would be Mike Tirico.

java script:emoticon(' ', 'smid_17')I like the team you assembled here. I also think Howie does a decent job on Fox.

 

[Sleeper 43]

If Stew says the "Illadeplh" again I'm going to jump off a bridge.

It bothers me when Stew tries too hard to be hip with the homie-centric talk.

 

[rupricht]

Pulled from a Michael Irvin bio....

"His flashy and rebellious style fit in well at the University of Miami, but it quickly drew intrigue and controversy in conservative Dallas. He routinely parked his sports car, with its self-described, customized license plate "The Playmaker," in "No Parking" zones during Cowboys' training camps. He visited Dallas strip clubs with regularity, and was known for socializing with strippers (despite being married).

In March of 1996, Irvin was arrested on charges of cocaine possession at a hotel party celebrating his 30th birthday. After numerous court appearances amid a national media circus, which featured Irvin showing up to court in a full-length mink coat, he pled no contest to the charges and was sentenced to community service, ordered to pay a $10,000 fine, and put on 4-years probation. When drug-tested for illicit drugs, he tested negative. But the NFL suspended Irvin for the first five games of the 1996 season.

Irvin was also known as a regular at the "White House", a private pleasure palace near the team's training facility, where he and some Dallas teammates, like lineman Nate Newton, allegedly enjoyed a variety of wanton activities, including drugs and illicit sex.

A year following his retirement from the NFL, Irvin again was arrested on drug possession charges. In this case, Irvin was in a Dallas apartment with an unrelated woman. Neither answered the door when police drug task force agents arrived with a search warrant. Police entered the apartment forcibly, finding drugs. Irvin and the female were placed under arrest, though charges against Irvin were later dropped.

In 2003, he professed to be a born-again Christian, and began a new career in broadcasting by co-hosting NBC Sports studio coverage of Arena Football League games.

The promises of a new lifestyle appeared to be short-lived, with Irvin again arrested on drug charges a mere two years later. Irvin was with his wife when he was pulled over in Plano, Texas for speeding on November 25, 2005. With probable cause, police searched his vehicle and found drug paraphernalia, including plastic bags with marijuana residue. Irvin was arrested for a Class C misdemeanor. He was later released on bond, with ESPN spokesman Josh Krulewitz saying only that: "We are reviewing the facts of the situation and have no comment at this time."

Two days after his arrest, Irvin appeared on ESPN's "Sunday NFL Countdown", as scheduled, on November 27, 2005. In comments following his arrest, he stated that he'd taken the drug paraphernalia away from a longtime friend who is battling addiction. Irvin told the AP he was trying to help someone close to him get off drugs and cares more about that than his chances of being inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The next day Irvin said the pipe was in fact his brother's and he (Irvin) was going to throw away the pipe but forgot."

Who actually believes that Irvin is drug free in 2006???

 

[pizzatyme]

My top football TV figureheads..

Troy Aikman

Steve Young

Howie Long

Tom Jackson

Ron Jaworski

People I turn the channel off for...

Stu Scott

Mike Irvin

Shannon Sharpe

Chris Collinsworth

Sean Salisbury

 

[Traders2001]

The context was that Irvin was ragging on Plummer saying that after witnessing tonight's game Denver had no chance of getting to the Superbowl.Ridiculous statement since Plummer basically won this game for Denver against perhaps the best D in the game. I'm glad Young set him right.

Not ridiculous, but correct. Jake Plummer will not lead this Bronco team to the SuperBowl, he simply isn't good enough, and too mistake prone.

Yep maybe your right , but Cutler a rookie wont take them any further ( Dont forget he is a unproven rook ) If you put Cutler in it means you gave up on this season and get ready for next , they cant do that .

 

[None_More_Black]

I hate irvin but I did not have a problem with him ranking denver outside of the top five. Just because Denver just got by Baltimore at home does not mean you have to rank Denver ahead of Baltimore. Plummer DID look horrible last night and Irvin's point was he is not going to rank a team in the top five with a bad qb. Maybe not the best position but it's an opinion with some support. Ranking teams early in the season in based on opinion. I think young should save his bashing for when Irvin makes a true logical mistake which he always does.l

 

[hawaiiankrush]

My top football TV figureheads..Troy AikmanSteve YoungHowie LongTom JacksonRon JaworskiPeople I turn the channel off for...Stu ScottMike IrvinShannon SharpeChris CollinsworthSean Salisbury

I would agree in general with this. I don't understand why ESPN continues to employ Irvin. He is obviously biased with some of the players because of his personal relationships with them. This kind of thing is not what the viewing public wants.

 

[Emmitt Smith]

Yall leave Irvin alone. Things are different in Texas. Let's see...

Sex - Check

Drugs - Check

Winning Super Bowls - Check

Slap some duct tape on him and he's my hero.

 

[ZzZ]

Is it me or does Stu Scott's eye look worse every time I see it. That thing was giving me the heebie jeebies last night. He had a real Edgar Allen Poe mystique about it.

Hey Joe, this quote from Houndirish is freakin' "Random Shots" material. Classic.