cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
You're right, lol at me and my list. Sorry I forgot to consult you first. Replace Priest Holmes for KC and add Donnie Edwards.
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Greatest player in your favorite franchise's history (1 Viewer)
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Borat
Footballguy
The Steelers have had some of the greatest players in the history of the game. Jerome Bettis is not one of them, however.
His point wasn't that you're not allowed to your opinion. It's that your opinion is stupid.
Manster
Footballguy
its a tough one. i think you could make an argument for Staubach, Aikman, Emmitt, Larry Allen, and Lilly
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Baugh was a superman for the Skins but so was Green. And I have a personal soft spot for Riggins, Butz, Jacoby and Manley.
DerekR
Footballguy
Correct
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njherdfan
Footballguy
Agree, and I also think that dethroning will happen pretty soon, probably within the next year if he puts up another all-pro season.
Monsters of the Midway
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Sorry for the delay.It wasn't easy at all. Otto, Shell, Upshaw or Brown would have been fine answers. I just always thought of Otto as "Mr. Raider"... he was a great player and he's been around the franchise forever.
NFLN did TOP-10 RAIDERS and Shell/Upshaw were co-number 1's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPdY45FzUPo
Otto, incidentally, came in right after them at #00. Nice hedge.
biju
Footballguy
Add me to the list of people who would very, very easily pick Walter Jones.In all fairness though, Largent was at the top for such a long time and did it very consistently. I'm also big on Cortez Kennedy and Kenny Easley. As much as I don't like to say it, those are the only four that should be in the discussion.
cdwood
Footballguy
This is one of those topics where I'm glad that I'm a fan of a team that hasn't been around a long time and have been a fan from the start of its existence. I don't have to worry about not seeing players from an earlier era and being able to compare them to the modern day.
During the off season this topic came up on the Jacksonville Jaguars website, 8 local media members voted on the top 25 Jaguars. Their top 5 came down to the following:
5. Mark Brunell
4. Maurice Jones-Drew
3. Jimmy Smith
2. Fred Taylor
1. Tony Boselli
I have no qualms about this list or that Boselli was #1, but I personally would pick Fred Taylor because running back is one those positions that you can cheer about when the player makes a great play, sometimes when a OL player makes a great play, its not as noticeable.
During the off season this topic came up on the Jacksonville Jaguars website, 8 local media members voted on the top 25 Jaguars. Their top 5 came down to the following:
5. Mark Brunell
4. Maurice Jones-Drew
3. Jimmy Smith
2. Fred Taylor
1. Tony Boselli
I have no qualms about this list or that Boselli was #1, but I personally would pick Fred Taylor because running back is one those positions that you can cheer about when the player makes a great play, sometimes when a OL player makes a great play, its not as noticeable.
theprince
Footballguy
Updated with Walter Jones replacing Largent for Seattle. Gave KC Derrick Thomas, Tennessee gets Earl Campbell, Alan Page to Minny and Andre Johnson to Houston. Is there a consensus on ATL? STL still undecided (Faulk, Deacon, Youngblood?)
ARIZONA - Dan Dierdorf
ATLANTA -
BALTIMORE – Ray Lewis
BUFFALO - Bruce Smith
CAROLINA- Steve Smith
CHICAGO - Walter Payton
CINCY – Anthony Munoz
CLEVELAND – Jim Brown
DALLAS – Emmitt Smith
DENVER - John Elway
DETROIT - Barry Sanders
GREEN BAY - Don Hutson
HOUSTON - Andre Johnson
INDY – Johnny Unitas
JACKSONVILLE - Fred Taylor
KANSAS CITY - Derrick Thomas
MIAMI - Dan Marino
MINNY - Alan Page
NEW ENGLAND - Tom Brady
NEW ORLEANS - Rickey Jackson
NY JETS - Curtis Martin
NY GIANTS - the original LT
OAKLAND - Jim Otto
PHILLY - Reggie White
PITTSBURGH - Joe Greene
ST. LOUIS -
SAN DIEGO - Lance Alworth
SAN FRANCISCO - Jerry Rice
SEATTLE - Walter Jones
TAMPA BAY - Derrick Brooks
TENNESSEE - Earl Campbell
WASHINGTON - Sammy Baugh
ARIZONA - Dan Dierdorf
ATLANTA -
BALTIMORE – Ray Lewis
BUFFALO - Bruce Smith
CAROLINA- Steve Smith
CHICAGO - Walter Payton
CINCY – Anthony Munoz
CLEVELAND – Jim Brown
DALLAS – Emmitt Smith
DENVER - John Elway
DETROIT - Barry Sanders
GREEN BAY - Don Hutson
HOUSTON - Andre Johnson
INDY – Johnny Unitas
JACKSONVILLE - Fred Taylor
KANSAS CITY - Derrick Thomas
MIAMI - Dan Marino
MINNY - Alan Page
NEW ENGLAND - Tom Brady
NEW ORLEANS - Rickey Jackson
NY JETS - Curtis Martin
NY GIANTS - the original LT
OAKLAND - Jim Otto
PHILLY - Reggie White
PITTSBURGH - Joe Greene
ST. LOUIS -
SAN DIEGO - Lance Alworth
SAN FRANCISCO - Jerry Rice
SEATTLE - Walter Jones
TAMPA BAY - Derrick Brooks
TENNESSEE - Earl Campbell
WASHINGTON - Sammy Baugh
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I see you have no votes for the Falcons or Rams franchises. I'll give my 
For Atlanta, I'd give linebacker Tommy Nobis the nod over Deion Sanders, but only because Prime left ATL after 5 years.For the Rams.... WOW is this a tough one. Take a look at all of their Hall of Famers:
For Atlanta, I'd give linebacker Tommy Nobis the nod over Deion Sanders, but only because Prime left ATL after 5 years.For the Rams.... WOW is this a tough one. Take a look at all of their Hall of Famers:You could pick any of a half dozen guys and make a strong case for each one.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Ah, screw it. Let's go with Deacon Jones until someone voices a good case for someone else.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Not impossible at all.
Koya
Footballguy
Tough to not go with Faulk, the engine that made the greatest show on turf nearly unstoppable. Best receiving RB ever, one of and arguably the best all around RB ever and a great teammate and person from all I've heard.Someone with a bit more direct knowledge would have to chime in, but Merlin Olsen was just awesome.I see you have no votes for the Falcons or Rams franchises. I'll give my
You could pick any of a half dozen guys and make a strong case for each one.
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Three-man race between Jones, Youngblood and Olsen. I'd go with Olsen based on the the longer sustained level of dominance.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
While that is accurate, Deacon is widely considered to be the better player. It's a hard one for sure though.
Cowboys are too hard...too many great names...BUT:
Aikman...here's why
1. Before anything else, if Aikman played in a pass-happy offense like today's game he'd have broken every record in the book. Too many people look at his stats and think he wasn't a prolific passer...wrong...no one threw a more accurate and catchable ball than Aikman.
2. Aikman was the leader of those 90's team, just ask Irvin. No one wanted to let Troy down, and no one crossed him either.
3. He's the best analyst in the game today...post-career bonus points.
Those 90's Cowboys don't win (3) SB's without him.
Aikman...here's why
1. Before anything else, if Aikman played in a pass-happy offense like today's game he'd have broken every record in the book. Too many people look at his stats and think he wasn't a prolific passer...wrong...no one threw a more accurate and catchable ball than Aikman.
2. Aikman was the leader of those 90's team, just ask Irvin. No one wanted to let Troy down, and no one crossed him either.
3. He's the best analyst in the game today...post-career bonus points.
Those 90's Cowboys don't win (3) SB's without him.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
FWIW: From my thread two years ago ... a panel of experts ranked the Top-100 players ever for NFLN:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=552157&view=findpost&p=12236251
Deacon came in at #15. Merlin was #27.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=552157&view=findpost&p=12236251
Deacon came in at #15. Merlin was #27.
Shanahanigans
Footballguy
IMO the obvious choice for the Rams is Faulk, arguably the greatest RB of all time. Although I wouldn't argue with someone who says Deacon Jones... Also didn't Youngblood play a game with a broken leg? Gotta bump him up a few spots for that.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Let's not.
dgreen
Footballguy
I've never heard someone make that argument.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Can't go wrong with either. Jones was with the Rams from '61 to '71, Olsen from '62 to '76. Hard to really separate the success of one from the other, especially when they lined up next to each other. I give Olsen the edge because he played for longer and the team never traded him, making him feel like more of a Ram legend. Splitting hairs, I know.Random trivia: the '71 Rams had Jack Youngblood, but he couldn't crack the lineup with Jones and Coy Bacon as starting defensive ends. That's a lot of pass rush on a roster.'Raider Nation said:
theprince
Footballguy
Coy Bacon is an all-time great name.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Im sure he meant best all around RB of all time. It's debatable for sure.'dgreen said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Nobody touches Sweetness there.
Shanahanigans
Footballguy
He's a no-brainer for Top 5 imo. In his prime he was Offensive Player of the Year for 3 straight seasons, and was the focal point of one of the greatest offenses of all time. The fact that he's the best receiving back of all time should not take away from his great rushing abilities.My Top 5: 1 Barry Sanders 2 Walter Payton 3 Jim Brown 4 Marshall Faulk 5 LaDainian Tomlinson/OJ Simpson'dgreen said:
Koya
Footballguy
While I think Faulk is just outside of the greatest RB of all time debate, I could personally at least see the argument. Wouldn't agree, but it's not completely out there IMO.
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Koya
Footballguy
Certainly not a no brainier, either. 1. Jim Brown is your consensus best ever, in my experience by a decent amount.Next you have Sweetness, Barry, OJ, Dickerson, Sayers, Campbell by most accounts. That is where I'd put Faulk, in that discussion. After that, Emmitt, LT2, Curtis Martin (and I'd suggest Thurmon Thomas). Can include some old timers here too, maybe a Marion Mötley. Then Thomas as noted above, Dorsett, maybe Jim Taylor and a number of otheres up for consideration.
Shanahanigans
Footballguy
I understand that the majority of people will put Brown at the top of the list, but to say that nobody else is even comparable is silly imo. Brown was a beast, and one of the few older players that could probably still be a beast were he to play today, but he was also playing against smaller, inferior competition when compared to Barry, Faulk, and even Sweetness. Jim Brown was big for a RB today, and was playing against much smaller, slower players. If ever there was a man among boys in the NFL it was Brown. Having said that though, you could easily turn my words into an argument for why Brown IS the greatest ever. Also, imo Curtis Martin, Thurman Thomas, Tony Dorsett, Jim Taylor, Marion Motley, and even Earl Campbell don't even pop up on my radar when thinking of the greatest RB ever. They were all very good players, and Motley and Campbell are probably the best "Bruisers" ever, but no way do they compare to Barry, Sweetness, Brown, Faulk, LT2, OJ, or even Emmitt imo.
gregjcross
Footballguy
someone in Gilroy is smiling and eating garlic.
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Revis will be, but do not forget Joe Klecko. 2X All-Pro, was an absolute monster and should be in the HOF. When I think of great Jets, he is up there. For the Giants, Koya is right. LT changed the game. Best there is, was and ever will be.'njherdfan said:
