Greatest Seasons Based on VORP (1 Viewer)

[Anarchy99]

Going as far back as 1959 (Baseball Prospectus doesn't have records prior to that), here are the only players to have a VORP over 100 in a season:

Barry Bonds - 2001 - 145.0

Barry Bonds - 2002 - 138.6

Barry Bonds - 2004 - 133.0

Pedro Martinez - 2000 - 116.7

Roger Clemens - 1997 - 116.3

Alex Rodriguez - 1996 - 112.2

Sammy Sosa - 2001 - 111.7

Derek Jeter - 1999 - 108.5

Barry Bonds - 2003 - 104.8

Chipper Jones - 1999 - 104.8

Barry Bonds - 1993 - 104.5

Mark McGwire - 1998 - 104.3

Robin Yount - 1982 - 103.8

Jason Giambi - 2001 - 103.3

Alex Rodriguez - 2001 - 103.2

Pedro Martinez - 1999 - 102.3

Mike Piazza - 1997 - 102.2

Alex Rodriguez - 2000 - 101.6

Carlos Delgado - 2000 - 100.2

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Surprised Bob Gibson's 1968 season and Maddux's 1994 seasons weren't over 100. '63 Koufax was pretty good also.

I can't even imagine Babe Ruth's VORP numbers.

 

[the moops]

VORP sucks. Any system that does not take into account defense is fairly useless. So, Giambi, Sosa and Jeter shouldnt be near the top of any list.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

VORP?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Going as far back as 1959 (Baseball Prospectus doesn't have records prior to that), here are the only players to have a VORP over 100 in a season:

Barry Bonds - 2001 - 145.0

Barry Bonds - 2002 - 138.6

Barry Bonds - 2004 - 133.0

Pedro Martinez - 2000 - 116.7

Roger Clemens - 1997 - 116.3

Alex Rodriguez - 1996 - 112.2

Sammy Sosa - 2001 - 111.7

Derek Jeter - 1999 - 108.5

Barry Bonds - 2003 - 104.8

Chipper Jones - 1999 - 104.8

Barry Bonds - 1993 - 104.5

Mark McGwire - 1998 - 104.3

Robin Yount - 1982 - 103.8

Jason Giambi - 2001 - 103.3

Alex Rodriguez - 2001 - 103.2

Pedro Martinez - 1999 - 102.3

Mike Piazza - 1997 - 102.2

Alex Rodriguez - 2000 - 101.6

Carlos Delgado - 2000 - 100.2

Fixed - the list is a bit more impressive when you take out steroid-tainted years. It would not shock me if one or two more of these names should be crossed out. It is much more exclusive when done on the merits. And as someone pointed out, the Babe Ruth years would probably blow these away.

 

[Anarchy99]

VORP?

VORPValue Over Replacement Player. The number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player at the same position would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances. VORP scores do not consider the quality of a player's defense.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

VORP?

VORPValue Over Replacement Player. The number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player at the same position would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances. VORP scores do not consider the quality of a player's defense.

sounds made up

 

[Doctor Detroit]

VORP?

VORPValue Over Replacement Player. The number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player at the same position would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances. VORP scores do not consider the quality of a player's defense.

sounds made up

It's really only useful when you reference it at the bar after four drinks to a hot female baseball fan (they do exist).

 

[Anarchy99]

VORP?

VORPValue Over Replacement Player. The number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player at the same position would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances. VORP scores do not consider the quality of a player's defense.

sounds made up

All anayltical tools that involve formulas are made up.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

VORP?

VORPValue Over Replacement Player. The number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player at the same position would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances. VORP scores do not consider the quality of a player's defense.

sounds made up

All anayltical tools that involve formulas are made up.

so what is a replacement player? a scab or just some "average" that a player should do?So how much better than the average OF was Bonds kind of stat?

 

[Eephus]

One advantage of VORP is that it takes era normalization into account. The replacement level SS of Yount's career year is very different from the replacement OF used to calculate Bonds' 2001 stat.

Steroids happened. There's no way to go back through the records and take them out, especially since we now know that steroid-enhanced batters were facing equally juiced pitchers. Selectively removing the records of known or suspected steroid users isn't productive or possible.

The records from the 1990s and early 2000s will always have be viewed as products of the era, just like deadball pitcher stats, 1968 pitchers, SBs from the 70s and early 80s, etc.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Seems incredibly slanted towards recent era.

Jim Rice or Ron Guidry in 1978?

George Foster when he hit 50 homers?

Any of Koufax's prime years?

Dwight Gooden in 1984?

Larry Walkers' MVP season for Colorado?

Steve Carlton's year with 27 wins?

Carl Yastrzemski's triple crown year in 1967?

 

[whoknew]

VORP?

VORPValue Over Replacement Player. The number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player at the same position would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances. VORP scores do not consider the quality of a player's defense.

sounds made up

So is batting average.

 

[Anarchy99]

Seems incredibly slanted towards recent era.Jim Rice or Ron Guidry in 1978?George Foster when he hit 50 homers?Any of Koufax's prime years?Dwight Gooden in 1984?Larry Walkers' MVP season for Colorado?Steve Carlton's year with 27 wins?Carl Yastrzemski's triple crown year in 1967?

IMO, since there are more teams and more total players, the threshold for a replacement player would go down. If as you suggested the great seasons that you mentioned were compared to a baseline replacement of say .260/12/55 to make up some stats vs the 2007 replacement of .230/3/22, that would account for the difference. I'm not sure that is the 100% correct answer, but that would be my best guess.Basically, if the player in question did very well when the league average was really low, that would = a higher VORP.

 

[Liquid Tension]

VORP sucks. Any system that does not take into account defense is fairly useless. So, Giambi, Sosa and Jeter shouldnt be near the top of any list.

A bit shortsighted here? Then every offensive measure is worthless? How about looking at offense in one context (this is not the only one) and then look at defense and then make your evaluation. Unfortunately, defensive ratings are all somewhat flawed although you can look at many years and come to conclusions and you can use your eyes (yes even some of us SABR guys believe that your eyes can help)

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

VORP?

VORPValue Over Replacement Player. The number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player at the same position would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances. VORP scores do not consider the quality of a player's defense.

sounds made up

So is batting average.

LOL or ERA for that matter. But I can see keeping and watching those stats. VORP? a little silly

 

[Greco]

VORP?

VORPValue Over Replacement Player. The number of runs contributed beyond what a replacement-level player at the same position would contribute if given the same percentage of team plate appearances. VORP scores do not consider the quality of a player's defense.

sounds made up

It's really only useful when you reference it at the bar after four drinks to a hot female baseball fan (they do exist).

After watching you bring your A game to the overall wearing, one front tooth darker than the other, "chick" at the cornhole, I will need photo documention of your idea of a hot female baseball fan. This picture cannot include Alyssa Milano in her baseball clothing line...tia.