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Green-Ellis, Michael Bush and Tolbert (1 Viewer)

duaneok66

duaneok66

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have seen little news on these three. Any clues as to their future teams??

 
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bush is visiting Chi and Cinci and I think BGE is visiting Cinci

Not sure why anyone would want to pay Bush (28 or 29 year old) starters money. His best bet would be to stay in Oak. BGE would be good in Cinci I think

 
bush is visiting Chi and Cinci and I think BGE is visiting CinciNot sure why anyone would want to pay Bush (28 or 29 year old) starters money. His best bet would be to stay in Oak. BGE would be good in Cinci I think
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It's a good thing for bush that he didn't hire you to be his agent. He's currently 27 years old, although he will turn 28 before the season. If I were his agent, I'd be selling the fact he has low mileage due to the broken leg he suffered in college. The same broken leg that cost him a legit shot at the Heisman, and his senior year. It also Dropped his draft stock from a potential top 10 pick to the first pick in the 4th round. (100th overall). He also spent his rookie year on PUP recovering from the injury. Before he got an opportunity to play a game in the pros, the Raiders used the 4th pick in the draft on McFadden. I'd also sell the fact that he's the best free agent RB on the market, and has surprisingly nimble feet and soft hands for a big man. Finally, I'd be want a 5 year deal, but accept one that's really structured for 2-3 years.
 
'Kitrick Taylor said:
'B Maverick said:
bush is visiting Chi and Cinci and I think BGE is visiting Cinci

Not sure why anyone would want to pay Bush (28 or 29 year old) starters money. His best bet would be to stay in Oak. BGE would be good in Cinci I think
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It's a good thing for bush that he didn't hire you to be his agent. He's currently 27 years old, although he will turn 28 before the season. If I were his agent, I'd be selling the fact he has low mileage due to the broken leg he suffered in college. The same broken leg that cost him a legit shot at the Heisman, and his senior year. It also Dropped his draft stock from a potential top 10 pick to the first pick in the 4th round. (100th overall). He also spent his rookie year on PUP recovering from the injury. Before he got an opportunity to play a game in the pros, the Raiders used the 4th pick in the draft on McFadden.

I'd also sell the fact that he's the best free agent RB on the market, and has surprisingly nimble feet and soft hands for a big man.

Finally, I'd be want a 5 year deal, but accept one that's really structured for 2-3 years.
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You can selll him however you want but he's still 28. You can get a younger RB in the draft for much less and lock them in for 4 years.
 
'Kitrick Taylor said:
bush is visiting Chi and Cinci and I think BGE is visiting CinciNot sure why anyone would want to pay Bush (28 or 29 year old) starters money. His best bet would be to stay in Oak. BGE would be good in Cinci I think
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It's a good thing for bush that he didn't hire you to be his agent. He's currently 27 years old, although he will turn 28 before the season. If I were his agent, I'd be selling the fact he has low mileage due to the broken leg he suffered in college. The same broken leg that cost him a legit shot at the Heisman, and his senior year. It also Dropped his draft stock from a potential top 10 pick to the first pick in the 4th round. (100th overall). He also spent his rookie year on PUP recovering from the injury. Before he got an opportunity to play a game in the pros, the Raiders used the 4th pick in the draft on McFadden. I'd also sell the fact that he's the best free agent RB on the market, and has surprisingly nimble feet and soft hands for a big man. Finally, I'd be want a 5 year deal, but accept one that's really structured for 2-3 years.
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I'd not sell the fact that he averaged a paltry 3.8 yards per carry last year.
 
Word in the Boston area radio stations is that the pats want to resign bjge and likely to match his free agent offers.

 
'Gandalf said:
Word in the Boston area radio stations is that the pats want to resign bjge and likely to match his free agent offers.
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I had heard BJGE is welcome to come back if the cost is minimal, if not they will let him walk and he is considered easily replacable.
 
'Kitrick Taylor said:
bush is visiting Chi and Cinci and I think BGE is visiting CinciNot sure why anyone would want to pay Bush (28 or 29 year old) starters money. His best bet would be to stay in Oak. BGE would be good in Cinci I think
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It's a good thing for bush that he didn't hire you to be his agent. He's currently 27 years old, although he will turn 28 before the season. If I were his agent, I'd be selling the fact he has low mileage due to the broken leg he suffered in college. The same broken leg that cost him a legit shot at the Heisman, and his senior year. It also Dropped his draft stock from a potential top 10 pick to the first pick in the 4th round. (100th overall). He also spent his rookie year on PUP recovering from the injury. Before he got an opportunity to play a game in the pros, the Raiders used the 4th pick in the draft on McFadden. I'd also sell the fact that he's the best free agent RB on the market, and has surprisingly nimble feet and soft hands for a big man. Finally, I'd be want a 5 year deal, but accept one that's really structured for 2-3 years.
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Will you be my agent KT :bye:
 
Pittsburgh has stated they would be interested in Tolbert, but that also cap space is a delicate issue right now.

So nothing will happen in that area until after the Wallace situation comes to completion. Then things could seriously change on that front.

 
'Hoosier16 said:
'Kitrick Taylor said:
'B Maverick said:
bush is visiting Chi and Cinci and I think BGE is visiting Cinci

Not sure why anyone would want to pay Bush (28 or 29 year old) starters money. His best bet would be to stay in Oak. BGE would be good in Cinci I think
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It's a good thing for bush that he didn't hire you to be his agent. He's currently 27 years old, although he will turn 28 before the season. If I were his agent, I'd be selling the fact he has low mileage due to the broken leg he suffered in college. The same broken leg that cost him a legit shot at the Heisman, and his senior year. It also Dropped his draft stock from a potential top 10 pick to the first pick in the 4th round. (100th overall). He also spent his rookie year on PUP recovering from the injury. Before he got an opportunity to play a game in the pros, the Raiders used the 4th pick in the draft on McFadden.

I'd also sell the fact that he's the best free agent RB on the market, and has surprisingly nimble feet and soft hands for a big man.

Finally, I'd be want a 5 year deal, but accept one that's really structured for 2-3 years.
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You can selll him however you want but he's still 28. You can get a younger RB in the draft for much less and lock them in for 4 years.
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Good point, because drafting players always works out. I hear Kenny Irons has fresh legs and is still on his rookie contract. Maybe the Bengals don't even need another RB.
 
'FF Ninja said:
'Hoosier16 said:
'Kitrick Taylor said:
'B Maverick said:
bush is visiting Chi and Cinci and I think BGE is visiting Cinci

Not sure why anyone would want to pay Bush (28 or 29 year old) starters money. His best bet would be to stay in Oak. BGE would be good in Cinci I think
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It's a good thing for bush that he didn't hire you to be his agent. He's currently 27 years old, although he will turn 28 before the season. If I were his agent, I'd be selling the fact he has low mileage due to the broken leg he suffered in college. The same broken leg that cost him a legit shot at the Heisman, and his senior year. It also Dropped his draft stock from a potential top 10 pick to the first pick in the 4th round. (100th overall). He also spent his rookie year on PUP recovering from the injury. Before he got an opportunity to play a game in the pros, the Raiders used the 4th pick in the draft on McFadden.

I'd also sell the fact that he's the best free agent RB on the market, and has surprisingly nimble feet and soft hands for a big man.

Finally, I'd be want a 5 year deal, but accept one that's really structured for 2-3 years.
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You can selll him however you want but he's still 28. You can get a younger RB in the draft for much less and lock them in for 4 years.
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Good point, because drafting players always works out. I hear Kenny Irons has fresh legs and is still on his rookie contract. Maybe the Bengals don't even need another RB.
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Most of them are among the best pass blocking RBs when they enter the league too, just like Bush.
 
Anything new with any of these guys?

I know they say Tolbert is still in the mix for the Chiefs and the Chargers also want him back.

I haven't heard anything significant for the other guys except that they are visiting.

I wonder if there is much chance a team like the Steelers would scoop either Bush or Law Firm to get them through next year?

 
'Ketamine Dreams said:
'Kitrick Taylor said:
bush is visiting Chi and Cinci and I think BGE is visiting CinciNot sure why anyone would want to pay Bush (28 or 29 year old) starters money. His best bet would be to stay in Oak. BGE would be good in Cinci I think
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It's a good thing for bush that he didn't hire you to be his agent. He's currently 27 years old, although he will turn 28 before the season. If I were his agent, I'd be selling the fact he has low mileage due to the broken leg he suffered in college. The same broken leg that cost him a legit shot at the Heisman, and his senior year. It also Dropped his draft stock from a potential top 10 pick to the first pick in the 4th round. (100th overall). He also spent his rookie year on PUP recovering from the injury. Before he got an opportunity to play a game in the pros, the Raiders used the 4th pick in the draft on McFadden. I'd also sell the fact that he's the best free agent RB on the market, and has surprisingly nimble feet and soft hands for a big man. Finally, I'd be want a 5 year deal, but accept one that's really structured for 2-3 years.
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I'd not sell the fact that he averaged a paltry 3.8 yards per carry last year.
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Almost the same YPC as Benson but Bush can catch the ball. As for the age, if they get 3 years out of him like they did Benson I think they'll be happy.
 
Can we add Jacobs / Addai to this list as well. This yrs treatment of the RB FAs really show you the mind set of the league towards Running backs... we're about 4 days in and only Hillis is signed to a 1yr / 3 Mil while WRs are getting between 30 to 55 Million. I know the WRs this yr were a little better that the RBs in terms of talent but this is crazy.

I think BJ would be a great addition to the Ravens, Ray Ray is great but he does get stuffed at the GL and shortage game and BJ can remind them what an SB ring looks like.

Cinny needs a Bush or Tolbert, even if they have plans of drafting an RB

got the feeling that Browns will draft Trent with their 2nd 1st rounder

I guess why bother with someone that 28 yrs old when you can just draft an RB late 2nd day or early 3rd.

 
'KellysHeroes said:
Can we add Jacobs / Addai to this list as well. This yrs treatment of the RB FAs really show you the mind set of the league towards Running backs... we're about 4 days in and only Hillis is signed to a 1yr / 3 Mil while WRs are getting between 30 to 55 Million. I know the WRs this yr were a little better that the RBs in terms of talent but this is crazy.

I think BJ would be a great addition to the Ravens, Ray Ray is great but he does get stuffed at the GL and shortage game and BJ can remind them what an SB ring looks like.

Cinny needs a Bush or Tolbert, even if they have plans of drafting an RB

got the feeling that Browns will draft Trent with their 2nd 1st rounder

I guess why bother with someone that 28 yrs old when you can just draft an RB late 2nd day or early 3rd.
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I am confused. You started out adding Addai and Jacobs to the list, who are 1 and 2 years OLDER than Bush. But then then you end by saying why bother with someone who is 28? Was the addition of Addai and Jacobs a joke or did you just decide that none of these guys are worth signing?I do think that I would not give Bush, at 28, a big money long term contract. If I signed him I would expect him to start for me the next two years and I would probably offer him a 3 year, 10 M contract.

The advantage over a second or third round pick is that you have no idea if the rookie is going to be even serviceable. They may suck. Most rookies cannot block, and that is a problem. And many rookies have fumbling problems. Sign Bush and you get a guy whom you know can block very well, doesn't fumble much, catches well, and runs ok. And you may want to use that second or third round pick on a lineman or a defensive player.

 
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'duaneok66 said:
how many years would you give Bush??
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I would give him two years as the featured back and the third year as a backup. Complete guess though. I am not a big fan of the "low mileage" argument. But I am a big fan of the consistently healthy argument. Other than the broken leg in college, he has stayed pretty healthy throughout his NFL career. That gives me some confidence.
 
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Potential big fall out here if he lands in Carolina. Per Kevin Acee:

Mike Tolbert expected to land in Pittsburgh or Carolina ... I'm told this isn't like Malcom Floyd, who returned last yr after deal was dead.
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per Kevin Acee, San Diego beat writer:

Mike Tolbert expected to land in Pittsburgh or Carolina ... I'm told this isn't like Malcom Floyd, who returned last yr after deal was dead.

 
The Pats are probably the only team that truly appreciates the Law Firm - good for them, stinks (moneywise) for Benjarvus.

 
'identikit said:
'Carter_Can_Fly said:
Tolbert really contemplating Carolina and Carolina contemplating him... Why?
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Only think I can think of is one of their RBs (Deangelo, Stewart) will be on the move.Doubt that though.
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Stewart is a free agent next year, maybe it's insurance in case they can't sign him? Or maybe they are thinking about trading Williams? He would only be a $5M net cap hit if traded in 2013.
 
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Bush's blocking is severely overrated on these boards.

Also, he had a broken thumb knock him out for several games early in 2010 (to the poster who considers him extremely durable).

He has also not been tested yet as a full-time feature back for more than a small handful of games. The first extended peak of him in that role came during the second half of last season, during which he seemed to severely slow down after his first few starts. Dude looked tired and SLOW at the end of last season.

He's a decent vet, but it doesn't surprise me that no team has rushed to secure him for anything more than a complimentary role. If Cincy signs him as a Ced Benson replacement, I think they'll be surprised by how soft MB is compared to CB. He doesn't run nearly as hard as his body type would suggest.

A good back up, yes. But as a starter, especially in a feature role, I have some serious doubts about MB.

 
now, Tolbert is looking for a starting gig according the Charlotte papers. Seriously?? Just off the top of my head, the only places where he could sniff a starting job would be

Pittsburgh

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Tampa Bay

sounds like the Steelers said he asked for too much money - just wonder what he is thinking.

 
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now, Tolbert is looking for a starting gig according the Charlotte papers. Seriously?? Just off the top of my head, the only places where he could sniff a starting job would bePittsburghClevelandCincinnatiTampa Baysounds like the Steelers said he asked for too much money - just wonder what he is thinking.
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Not Denver?
 
'duaneok66 said:
now, Tolbert is looking for a starting gig according the Charlotte papers. Seriously?? Just off the top of my head, the only places where he could sniff a starting job would bePittsburghClevelandCincinnatiTampa Baysounds like the Steelers said he asked for too much money - just wonder what he is thinking.
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Pretty simple...he's thinking this contract will be his best opportunity to make as much money as possible so he's gonna try to maximixe this situation as much as possible...
 
'LawFitz said:
Bush's blocking is severely overrated on these boards.Also, he had a broken thumb knock him out for several games early in 2010 (to the poster who considers him extremely durable).He has also not been tested yet as a full-time feature back for more than a small handful of games. The first extended peak of him in that role came during the second half of last season, during which he seemed to severely slow down after his first few starts. Dude looked tired and SLOW at the end of last season.He's a decent vet, but it doesn't surprise me that no team has rushed to secure him for anything more than a complimentary role. If Cincy signs him as a Ced Benson replacement, I think they'll be surprised by how soft MB is compared to CB. He doesn't run nearly as hard as his body type would suggest.A good back up, yes. But as a starter, especially in a feature role, I have some serious doubts about MB.
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Sounds like a lot of opinion but not much fact.
 
'duaneok66 said:
he may be pushing for a 4-5 year deal - hence the holdup.
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Usually teams are pushing for 5+ years while players are pushing for 2-3 years. It can be different when big signing bonuses are involved, but I don't think any of the RBs named in this thread will be looking at a big signing bonus.
 
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