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This is the key reason why Peterson is holding firm. Having Green at this point is a luxury (what if Huard goes down in MC/TC?) while the lack of a legimate starter is a liability for Miami. I think KC has more leverage than most people realize.
And if Atlanta gives up a 4th for Green, Peterson will look like a genius.
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Imagine this:
I liken it to when you try to trade a guy to free up a roster spot because you need to pickup a bye week TE/K and everyone in the league knows that you are going to be forced to drop him by weeks end. Someone might throw you a bone but chances are you are just going to have to drop that guy and pick up your kicker. You can talk all you want about supply/demand, cap room, etc. but at the end of the day there's no way in the world they are going to have Green on their roster and pay him $7+ million to hold a clipboard.
All it takes to facilitate a deal is one guy unwilling to lose the opprotunity to aquire that particular player by allowing him to hit the open market.
It also takes a team willing to take Trent with his current salary. He restructured for Miami because of his relationship with Cameron and Terry Shea. Another team beating Miamis offer doesnt mean its a done deal.
Power plays are a huge part of every major stage from government to big business to small business and yes....even to our beloved NFL. 
And every organization is prone to mistakes... Houston more than others... not that I'm a fan, but the way they handled the David Carr release was an example of what to do... his value was low... he wanted a shot to find a team... he was a tackle dummy for the other teams for years... so they let him go after getting the QB they wanted... Powerplays are fine... but we are talking Trent Green... They have a reasonable offer... and he doesn't want to play for them... That's not a power play... it's a waste of time...
Power plays are a huge part of every major stage from government to big business to small business and yes....even to our beloved NFL.
And even more hilarious is using the Houston organization as an example of what TO do.
There is no need for Miami to offer a 5th, that is not ego, it is silly,David Dodds said:
I would think they have something in principle agreed upon in place already similar to McNair/Ravens last year. I think KC is holding out hope MIA will cave in the same way BAL did last year but the difference is BAL had more on the line. MIA isn't any pressure to win this year. People forget too quickly that BAL had a great year, was a legit SB contender last season and lost to IND in a very close game last year.kensat30 said:
Trent and MIA already have a new deal worked out....
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Who says you have to give him any reps?
I'm not so sure about that. Although more than serviceable at the moment, The MIA defense is a couple of years away from being one of the worst units in the NFL. The average age of their starters on that side of the ball is 31 years old and climbing. Their starting WR's are near/over 30 (we'll see about Hagan and Ginn Jr.). Ronnie Brown (and his 9 TD's) is smack dab in the middle of his prime. His lead blocker (Schlesinger) is on the wrong side of 35. And based on his resume and his subsequent interviews as the head coach, Cam Cameron doesn't strike me as a team builder. His raison d’être is building and installing an offensive gameplan with a competent QB. Now, I'm sure he'll do a fine job developing Beck but Cameron obviously feels that they're lacking the field general which he needs to run his offense. At this point, Green is clearly that guy.
KC can wait until after training camp to cut Green, at which point he becomes fairly useless to Miami for the season since he won't know the plays or have any timing with anyone on the team. I'd say that's pretty solid leverage.
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Exactly. Some of the people on here, and elsewhere, are just clueless when it comes to negotiations.If you go taking the first offer that someone presents to you, you'll NEVER get anywhere in life.
Edwards seemed to think he should see some reps in mini-camp for some reason. I don't know the reason behind his charade but if I was a Chief player I'd be pissed about it.
You seem to think KC gives a #####. KC will either get what they want or let him go. They'll take a fifth-rounder if/when someone caves or they'll say, "fugg it". And more power to them.Green is worthless, and the joke will be on HIM and Miami in August when the two parties are stranded -- Green with very little options and Miami with Cleo fuggin' Lemon as their QB.
Beck down, C pep? whoever? Again, as a fan, I could care less if Green comes or not. If he comes at KC's price, then he better take us somewhere. If not, I'll keep that 4th rounder which will likely be higher without him, since this team is not winning a SB this year.KC ain't going anywhere either this year, but that is another story.However, I think that KC is hurting themselves in the end. Green has been a "good soldier" up to now in KC, and this truly sends a message to everyone else on the team that management doesn't care about you at all. I am sure that will not do anything in the locker room.KC should have cut him already. GL eith BS posturing PetersonYou seem to think KC gives a #####. KC will either get what they want or let him go. They'll take a fifth-rounder if/when someone caves or they'll say, "fugg it". And more power to them.Green is worthless, and the joke will be on HIM and Miami in August when the two parties are stranded -- Green with very little options and Miami with Cleo fuggin' Lemon as their QB.
How? In the end the Chiefs will get rid of even more garbage from the Vermeil era and if they can squeeze some team in the meantime, that's great. If not no worries.
Not really. The team sees Green asking for a trade because he's scared of competiton.You don't see a crippled Culpepper begging to be handed the job, do you?
Green may be worthless but he's head and shoulders better than the trash on the roster behind him. The only joke will be on the KC season tickets holders this year. Actually several years as every team in your division has a good young franchise QB on their roster.You seem to think KC gives a #####. KC will either get what they want or let him go. They'll take a fifth-rounder if/when someone caves or they'll say, "fugg it". And more power to them.Green is worthless, and the joke will be on HIM and Miami in August when the two parties are stranded -- Green with very little options and Miami with Cleo fuggin' Lemon as their QB.
please explain to me how he is "garbage from the vermeil era"You may be wishing for the vermiel era soon enough with herm at the helm.
Watch football, guy.
Oh, yes. Always take to players after one and... NO years, do you?He's garbage. He's Vermeil's.He's garbage from the Vermeil era. Pretty simple, really.
Don't kid yourself. Vermeil went 1 for 5 in making the playoffs, had horrible drafts and left a trainwreck behind. Herm's 1 for 1, is steadily making the roster a whole lot better and actually might win a playoff game.Their HOF line retired. Neither Vermeil nor Herm had a "magic pill" to make them younger. I don't believe it has anything to do with either coach.He's garbage. He's Vermeil's.He's garbage from the Vermeil era. Pretty simple, really.
Well, that's sort of the point. Saban would have had pressure to win because it would be his third season in MIA. The team Cameron is taking over is a last place team in the division. Herm wasn't handed over the division cellar dwellar. There may be some MIA homers that think they have a shot at the SB this year but not many other people do imo.
Different front office. He is simply pissed at the logo?One thought that hasn't been mentioned yet...I think Peterson is putting the screws to Miami because Miami did the same thing to KC with CB Patrick Surtain a few seasons ago.Turnabout is fair play.
Why rush to make a deal? What if the Chiefs cave to the Dolphins' demands now, and then some other team suddenly has a huge need for a QB? Why wouldn't you wait? I'd wait til the very last day.
???So the day before you have to release him to avoid the salary cap ramification you think MIA is still willing to part with a pick? Why?BTW I'm not saying they should accept the pick. If it's a bad deal just don't make it. Waiting until the last day is your best move only if you're willing to keep him on the roster which would mean there really is no "last day" in the first place.
Has the ownership changed?Different front office. He is simply pissed at the logo?One thought that hasn't been mentioned yet...I think Peterson is putting the screws to Miami because Miami did the same thing to KC with CB Patrick Surtain a few seasons ago.Turnabout is fair play.
I don't think it will happen, but until you're 100% positive that no other team will step up and make an offer, why take less than you want?It isn't totally unfathomable that something could happen to Peyton Manning and Indy would offer a 4th for Green. Vick could be suspended. Chicago could decide Green is better than Rex. etc.???So the day before you have to release him to avoid the salary cap ramification you think MIA is still willing to part with a pick? Why?
BTW I'm not saying they should accept the pick. If it's a bad deal just don't make it. Waiting until the last day is your best move only if you're willing to keep him on the roster which would mean there really is no "last day" in the first place.
Yep. It could be that the Chiefs are a little more clued in to what is going on in the NFL than us here on a message board. Perhaps they have reason to believe Vick is in real trouble, and they think they can leverage the Falcons against the Dolphins. But that's just one of a multitude of reasons that could be out there that we aren't privvy to.I don't think it will happen, but until you're 100% positive that no other team will step up and make an offer, why take less than you want?It isn't totally unfathomable that something could happen to Peyton Manning and Indy would offer a 4th for Green. Vick could be suspended. Chicago could decide Green is better than Rex. etc.???So the day before you have to release him to avoid the salary cap ramification you think MIA is still willing to part with a pick? Why?
BTW I'm not saying they should accept the pick. If it's a bad deal just don't make it. Waiting until the last day is your best move only if you're willing to keep him on the roster which would mean there really is no "last day" in the first place.
Let's say Trent gets released. Can the Dolphins be sure they are the only team interested in signing him?
In the end, it's a question of taking less than you want vs. risking getting nothing; while the other team decides that a 4th is worth losing Green to another team.
