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They didn't handle Elvis well years ago, there's enough blame to go around
consodering Wayne is a hands off owner, I am not sure what he could have done here to cause the problem. The surtain deal happenned under Saban. The feeley deal happenned under wanny (really it was the guy who took over as GM over wanny whose name I am forgetting).So this lasts until training camp...oh well.Has the ownership changed?Different front office. He is simply pissed at the logo?One thought that hasn't been mentioned yet...I think Peterson is putting the screws to Miami because Miami did the same thing to KC with CB Patrick Surtain a few seasons ago.Turnabout is fair play.
Green is 37, and coming off a serious concussion. A 4th is too much for anyone to offer.
The difference here is that Green has a deal in place with Mia. He knows the system in Mia. He has a relationship with the head coach in Mia.As another poster stated no team is going to want Green at his current contract price. With the way that KC's Brass is handling this situation why would Green go out of his way so they (KC) can get a better deal somewhere else?So Green holds a lot of the cards here(he will have to rework his contract for any trade to happen).Exactly. Some of the people on here, and elsewhere, are just clueless when it comes to negotiations.If you go taking the first offer that someone presents to you, you'll NEVER get anywhere in life.
I disagree big time on that statement (except the younger part). Lets not confuse fantasy football with NFL football. Green is a better nfl qb than Culpepper.
Actually, the worst that can happen to KC is that Green gets hurt in OTAs or minicamp, and then is untradeable and uncuttable. He then goes on the IR and collects his full salary.
This is the key reason why Peterson is holding firm. Having Green at this point is a luxury (what if Huard goes down in MC/TC?) while the lack of a legimate starter is a liability for Miami. I think KC has more leverage than most people realize.
Green's current market value in terms of draft picks/veteran player(s) is stable. And as injuries mount and as coaches lose confidence with their rostered QB's (Miami included), his value can only increase. If this happens, the number of trading partners will likely increase. Lack of supply increases demand which creates more competion for the player which results in a stronger bargaining position. And like you said, a 6th round draft pick is practically worthless. Why wouldn't Peterson hold out for more?
"The King" is only doing what you or I would do given the same circumstances. In fact, we do this sort of thing all the time with our FF trades (take advantage of our trading partner's lack of depth at a particular position). I normally don't side w/CP, but I like what he's doing here.
Trent is absolutely a luxury at this point. What are the odds that any QB in KC will start every game??? Less that 50% in my book. Add in the risk factors of Huard being a potential "lightning in a bottle" for last year but maybe not this year and the risk factor of Brodie Croyle being a third round (what are the odds he pans out as a #3?) QB that's never taken a regular season snap and you've got enough risk to warrant keeping Green. Add in Green's concussion and you get rid of him in a heartbeat if somebody will give up a #4 but you don't throw or give him away since he's still a pretty good insurance policy.He's a luxury until you hand the job to one of the other guys. Then hes a distraction, and potentially something that divides the locker room.This is the key reason why Peterson is holding firm. Having Green at this point is a luxury (what if Huard goes down in MC/TC?) while the lack of a legimate starter is a liability for Miami. I think KC has more leverage than most people realize.
Green's current market value in terms of draft picks/veteran player(s) is stable. And as injuries mount and as coaches lose confidence with their rostered QB's (Miami included), his value can only increase. If this happens, the number of trading partners will likely increase. Lack of supply increases demand which creates more competion for the player which results in a stronger bargaining position. And like you said, a 6th round draft pick is practically worthless. Why wouldn't Peterson hold out for more?
"The King" is only doing what you or I would do given the same circumstances. In fact, we do this sort of thing all the time with our FF trades (take advantage of our trading partner's lack of depth at a particular position). I normally don't side w/CP, but I like what he's doing here.Trent is absolutely a luxury at this point. What are the odds that any QB in KC will start every game??? Less that 50% in my book. Add in the risk factors of Huard being a potential "lightning in a bottle" for last year but maybe not this year and the risk factor of Brodie Croyle being a third round (what are the odds he pans out as a #3?) QB that's never taken a regular season snap and you've got enough risk to warrant keeping Green. Add in Green's concussion and you get rid of him in a heartbeat if somebody will give up a #4 but you don't throw or give him away since he's still a pretty good insurance policy.
You know Carl is a hard ### and this may not be the "classy" thing to do but grow up people, this is the NFL and I don't see any of you crying for the little known players that are under contract and get cut because they are making too much money (in the NFL$$$$). Bill Belichick pulls this stuff and he gets tagged a genius and when Carl pulls the same crap he's a low life but when you get right down to it, Carl is OUR hard ### that may not win super bowls in KC but keeps us from being irrelevant. And I'll take that in one of the smallest markets in the NFL.
Don't know if this has already been answered but the reason behind the charade is that KC doesn't want Miami to think that KC will simply release Green. KC has to show that Green still has value to KC and that means giving him some reps, showing that if the offer isn't great enough that Green will still be playing in KC this season. C'mon guys, it's not this hard to understand these motivations is it?
LOL...like anyone is going to fall for that charade. The stupidity of KC hurting their opportunity to finish ahead of the Raiders in order to bump a 2008 pick one round is laughable. If you're willing to part with your QB for a 4th, then you obviously don't want him as your starter.
I never said I wanted him for my starter and in fact Huard would have been a better starter for the Indy playoff game and I expect Huard to be the opening day starter ahead of Croyle,,,no matter what the coach speak is today. I also don't believe that it's a charade, you might as well have Green be your backup QB just in case Huard gets a concussion because Croyle won't be ready. And what's the point of even bringing the poor Raiders into this discussion??? If you really feel that the Raiders have a chance to have a better record this year than KC then I will have to lose the respect that I had for your previously valuable opinions.Correction: Losing respect for your opinions is going overboard since I have to admit that you have been a valuable resource to this forum and FBG in the past. What I should have said is,,,Why do you have that much confidence in OAK improving a great deal this season because even though they should be improved, KC would have to drop a bunch and OAK would have to improve a bunch for that to happen.
Forget fantasy; if healthy at this stage of their careers, I would rather have Culpepper. If the knee is strong I would rather have him. I really think Green is just one more hit away from retirement. I have always been a big Green fan and he has been underrated, but I disagree with your take on him now.
Yeah, but guys are missing one big point; what if Green is the one who gets injured?This is the key reason why Peterson is holding firm. Having Green at this point is a luxury (what if Huard goes down in MC/TC?) while the lack of a legimate starter is a liability for Miami. I think KC has more leverage than most people realize.
Green's current market value in terms of draft picks/veteran player(s) is stable. And as injuries mount and as coaches lose confidence with their rostered QB's (Miami included), his value can only increase. If this happens, the number of trading partners will likely increase. Lack of supply increases demand which creates more competion for the player which results in a stronger bargaining position. And like you said, a 6th round draft pick is practically worthless. Why wouldn't Peterson hold out for more?
"The King" is only doing what you or I would do given the same circumstances. In fact, we do this sort of thing all the time with our FF trades (take advantage of our trading partner's lack of depth at a particular position). I normally don't side w/CP, but I like what he's doing here.
You know Carl is a hard ### and this may not be the "classy" thing to do but grow up people, this is the NFL and I don't see any of you crying for the little known players that are under contract and get cut because they are making too much money (in the NFL$$$$). Bill Belichick pulls this stuff and he gets tagged a genius and when Carl pulls the same crap he's a low life but when you get right down to it, Carl is OUR hard ### that may not win super bowls in KC but keeps us from being irrelevant. And I'll take that in one of the smallest markets in the NFL.
Doesn't that say a lot though? If KC, who has seen much more of him than the Dolphins don't want him (and it could just be the salary), then why do the Dolphins want him as the QB situation outside of Green is pretty similar if you ask me. if anything Culpepper is a better option.
Just reported by Adam Schefter on NFL Total Access as well.
Actually I think you lose if it is a 4th.....
I doubt it. If it is a 4th it is because Green played the whole season which means the dolphins were good enough to contend for a playoff spot. I am sure if we are 2-6 that we will see BEck start to get snaps ie no 4th rounder to KC.Actually I think you lose if it is a 4th.....we win.
But if that playing time escalator is lets say, 8-10 games, then KC has a very real chance, IMO to have a top 5 pick on Day 2 of next years draft.....and being able to sleep overnight and have the pick of who ever is left on the draft board would be nice.No offense to MIA fans, I just happen to think they are in for one of their roughest seasons----I could be wrong.I doubt it. If it is a 4th it is because Green played the whole season which means the dolphins were good enough to contend for a playoff spot. I am sure if we are 2-6 that we will see BEck start to get snaps ie no 4th rounder to KC.Actually I think you lose if it is a 4th.....we win.
Well, Gatorman... KC is now a fifth-round pick better off and have got rid of Trent Green, the worst starting QB on its roster last season. I fail to see as I did all along how they hurt themselves.Peterson was posturing all along and it worked. He would've been a moron to go trading Green with the first offer that presented itself. There was no hurry and the price was only going to ever rise.You seem to think KC gives a #####. KC will either get what they want or let him go. They'll take a fifth-rounder if/when someone caves or they'll say, "fugg it". And more power to them.Green is worthless, and the joke will be on HIM and Miami in August when the two parties are stranded -- Green with very little options and Miami with Cleo fuggin' Lemon as their QB.
Win what?You just traded a fifth-round pick (that'll likely be a fourth-rounder) for nothing.
If Green is healthy, he's one of the best QBs in the league, certainly better than anything on the KC roster.
we win.