Gronkowski's Value (1 Viewer)

[the spanker]

Can anyone tell me what his value is equivalent to exactly in a 12-man ppr league? Top 10 WR? Top 15?

Will the emergence of a Ridley running game and the eventual return of Hernandez diminish his value going forward?

 

[Run It Up]

Hernandez' return and likely the success of the run game will both help not hurt Gronk.

 

[the spanker]

Hernandez' return and likely the success of the run game will both help not hurt Gronk.

Thanks....in redraft PPR is his value top 10 WR, top 5? Trying to access what this guy is worth, thanks!

 

[the spanker]

Hernandez' return and likely the success of the run game will both help not hurt Gronk.

Thanks....in redraft PPR is his value top 10 WR, top 5? Trying to access what this guy is worth, thanks!

 

[glong989]

In PPR he doesn't get enough receptions to be top 5. Top 10 possibly, but if you are buying I wouldn't place him there as he has 18 receptions and 5 of them are for TDs. He's not going to continue to catch TDs at that rate. If you are selling I would try to push him as a top 10 WR value. Either way I wouldn't sell him right now unless I had someone else great on my bench.

 

[Warrior]

Top 5 WR? No chance. Top 10? Maybe. I'd say top 15.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

To answer this question, I would suggest creating your own top list of 15 WRs. It would MAYBE look something like this. In no particular order.

1. Andre Johnson

2. Calvin Johnson

3. Wes Welker

4. Larry Fitz

5. Hakeem Nicks

- No way these guys should be traded for a TE. Lets take a look at the next 6-10

6. Steve Smith South

7. Vincent Jackson

8. Roddy White

9. Greg Jennings

10. Steve Johnson

- Again, I just don't see anyone moving these guys for a TE. Lets look at 11-15

11. Miles Austin

12. Dwayne Bowe

13. Jeremy Maclin

14. Dez Bryant

15. DeSean Jackson

- We are getting close here, and this is where I would start if you are looking to trade him. But again, IMO this is still too high for trading for Gronk, but you want to try and start offering on the "high end" first. The next list is more of what you can expect in return for Gronk IMO.

16. Reggie Wayne

17. Brandon Marshall

18. Julio Jones

19. Santana Moss

20. Brandon Lloyd

I quickly threw this list together using an FBG list, but it's a good idea on his value in a re-draft. Create your own list and see what you come up with. Good luck!

 

[taa455]

To answer this question, I would suggest creating your own top list of 15 WRs. It would MAYBE look something like this. In no particular order.1. Andre Johnson2. Calvin Johnson3. Wes Welker 4. Larry Fitz5. Hakeem Nicks- No way these guys should be traded for a TE. Lets take a look at the next 6-106. Steve Smith South7. Vincent Jackson8. Roddy White9. Greg Jennings10. Steve Johnson- Again, I just don't see anyone moving these guys for a TE. Lets look at 11-1511. Miles Austin12. Dwayne Bowe13. Jeremy Maclin14. Dez Bryant15. DeSean Jackson- We are getting close here, and this is where I would start if you are looking to trade him. But again, IMO this is still too high for trading for Gronk, but you want to try and start offering on the "high end" first. The next list is more of what you can expect in return for Gronk IMO.16. Reggie Wayne17. Brandon Marshall18. Julio Jones19. Santana Moss20. Brandon LloydI quickly threw this list together using an FBG list, but it's a good idea on his value in a re-draft. Create your own list and see what you come up with. Good luck!

I tried offering Gronkowski for Roddy White. (I also have Jimmy Graham). The guy isn't biting. Not sure if he's thinking it over or what.

 

[everydayj]

To answer this question, I would suggest creating your own top list of 15 WRs. It would MAYBE look something like this. In no particular order.1. Andre Johnson2. Calvin Johnson3. Wes Welker 4. Larry Fitz5. Hakeem Nicks- No way these guys should be traded for a TE. Lets take a look at the next 6-106. Steve Smith South7. Vincent Jackson8. Roddy White9. Greg Jennings10. Steve Johnson- Again, I just don't see anyone moving these guys for a TE. Lets look at 11-1511. Miles Austin12. Dwayne Bowe13. Jeremy Maclin14. Dez Bryant15. DeSean Jackson- We are getting close here, and this is where I would start if you are looking to trade him. But again, IMO this is still too high for trading for Gronk, but you want to try and start offering on the "high end" first. The next list is more of what you can expect in return for Gronk IMO.16. Reggie Wayne17. Brandon Marshall18. Julio Jones19. Santana Moss20. Brandon LloydI quickly threw this list together using an FBG list, but it's a good idea on his value in a re-draft. Create your own list and see what you come up with. Good luck!

I tried offering Gronkowski for Roddy White. (I also have Jimmy Graham). The guy isn't biting. Not sure if he's thinking it over or what.

What's to overthink here? You're offering a TE that has been brilliant for three of four weeks so far this year and looks decent at the end of last year for a guy who was in the elite echelon of WRs last year. You have to realize that you're dealing with perceived value here. Roddy White is a great fantasy player who people perceive as being worth more than ANY tight end.

 

[Resident A]

You'd have to be a complete imbecile to trade Gronk for any of these guys:

16. Reggie Wayne

17. Brandon Marshall

18. Julio Jones

19. Santana Moss

20. Brandon Lloyd

I'd say Roddy would be fair value, if the other guy doesn't think so, move on. If I could get a Miles Austin for Gronk, I'd take it. Austin has a decreased value for at least 1 more week.

 

[two_dollars]

I would be insulted if someone tried to get Roddy off me for Gronkowski. Roddy is slightly underperforming, and Gronk's value is coming down when Hernandez gets back. People aren't idiots.

 

[Short Corner]

I would be insulted if someone tried to get Roddy off me for Gronkowski. Roddy is slightly underperforming, and Gronk's value is coming down when Hernandez gets back. People aren't idiots.

Slightly underperforming is pretty generous. I think Gronk's value increases with the return of Hernandez. He may lose a few targets, but teams will have to account for both so they will be more quality targets.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

I would be insulted if someone tried to get Roddy off me for Gronkowski. Roddy is slightly underperforming, and Gronk's value is coming down when Hernandez gets back. People aren't idiots.

White for Gronk? Yea right...

 

[Short Corner]

I would be insulted if someone tried to get Roddy off me for Gronkowski. Roddy is slightly underperforming, and Gronk's value is coming down when Hernandez gets back. People aren't idiots.

White for Gronk? Yea right...

I own both and value Gronk more at this point. When your WR1 is performing like a WR3, you shouldn't be insulted when the buy low birds start to circle.

 

[two_dollars]

TEs aren't exactly super hard to come by.. Gronk only has 18 points from receptions this year and Roddy is tied for 2nd behind Welker. Roddy's TD % is low, but there is little reason to think it will stay that way. Gronk has 5, and there is little reason to think it will stay at the current pace. Maybe I'm wrong to be offended, but it would ruin the credibility of the person trying to lowball me with a Gronk for Roddy offer.

 

[tigerz]

I don't get how the top TE is worse than a top 10 WR. Granted this is PPR so I have no idea how well he is scoring but the point differential between Gronk and the other TEs vs a WR like Roddy and the guy you would start in his place would make more of a difference in my opinion. Unless your league doesn't have to start a TE, you can't view FP equally between the two positions. Getting WR1 value at the TE position is huge I would think?

 

[LargeMouthBass]

I would be insulted if someone tried to get Roddy off me for Gronkowski. Roddy is slightly underperforming, and Gronk's value is coming down when Hernandez gets back. People aren't idiots.

I would rather have Gronk than White. Roddy won't put up numbers even close to previous years. I've never seen elite receivers drop passes like he does.

 

[Raidersfan18]

It's all about value over replacement player. It's not crazy to think that Gronks value (in a league where you have to start a te) could be more valuable than Roddy, given a particular teams situation. However, most people don't look at fantasy football in such a nuanced way - they're stuck on the fact that they're trading a top wr for a TE.

For example, Gates last year, had he maintained his absurd production, would have been insanely valuable, even though his scoring totals wouldn't have been much if any better than the top WRs.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

In FBGs top 200 forward, Roddy is 33 and Gronk is 40. Take that for what it is, but that trade at this time is not a complete ripoff and is certainly nothing to get offended over or should ruin one's credibility by offering it.

 

[Apple Jack]

In PPR, a Gronk for Roddy offer is not even a little bit insulting. Most people know that the Falcons overachieved last year thanks in large part to a soft schedule. They have a much tougher go this year. Gronk has averaged more than 2 points MORE per game so far this year than White in PPR. And responding to the offer by judging that person says more about your credibility and approach trades than it does the other guy.

 

[howo5]

I just got Gronk for Decker and Ridley. Not sure if that helps you guys but I'd say that's in line with a Top 15-20 WR. Something like a Santonio Holmes/Brandon Marshall/Maclin type. I think there's some risk that he drops off and there's a lot of depth this year at TE.

 

[uwgb96]

Was offered Gronk for my J.Best in a 12 team PPR league. I have Rice and McCoy, so Best is expendable. Having Winslow at TE has me considering it.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Was offered Gronk for my J.Best in a 12 team PPR league. I have Rice and McCoy, so Best is expendable. Having Winslow at TE has me considering it.

Best's YPC and injuries leave much to be desired. With 2 stud Rb's I think you could afford that trade. JMO though. Good luck...

 

[Run It Up]

In PPR he doesn't get enough receptions to be top 5. Top 10 possibly, but if you are buying I wouldn't place him there as he has 18 receptions and 5 of them are for TDs. He's not going to continue to catch TDs at that rate. If you are selling I would try to push him as a top 10 WR value. Either way I wouldn't sell him right now unless I had someone else great on my bench.

I agree with the not top 5, but he will put up top 10 WR numbers, as much work as he does in the red zone.

 

[ponchsox]

I just got Gronk for Decker and Ridley. Not sure if that helps you guys but I'd say that's in line with a Top 15-20 WR. Something like a Santonio Holmes/Brandon Marshall/Maclin type. I think there's some risk that he drops off and there's a lot of depth this year at TE.

Marshall is not in Gronk's league, especially with the mess at QB in Miami

 

[glong989]

In PPR he doesn't get enough receptions to be top 5. Top 10 possibly, but if you are buying I wouldn't place him there as he has 18 receptions and 5 of them are for TDs. He's not going to continue to catch TDs at that rate. If you are selling I would try to push him as a top 10 WR value. Either way I wouldn't sell him right now unless I had someone else great on my bench.

I agree with the not top 5, but he will put up top 10 WR numbers, as much work as he does in the red zone.

Yes, but I am strictly talking PPR with my statement as that is what the OP asks about. He doesn't catch tons of balls and he wont keep up the 1.25 TD/Game pace he currently has. He very well could end up with top 10 #s but I wouldn't be buying him at that price - just selling.

 

[two_dollars]

Graham is the number 1 te in ppr, not Gronk, as a previous poster claimed.

 

[Run It Up]

In PPR he doesn't get enough receptions to be top 5. Top 10 possibly, but if you are buying I wouldn't place him there as he has 18 receptions and 5 of them are for TDs. He's not going to continue to catch TDs at that rate. If you are selling I would try to push him as a top 10 WR value. Either way I wouldn't sell him right now unless I had someone else great on my bench.

I agree with the not top 5, but he will put up top 10 WR numbers, as much work as he does in the red zone.

Yes, but I am strictly talking PPR with my statement as that is what the OP asks about. He doesn't catch tons of balls and he wont keep up the 1.25 TD/Game pace he currently has. He very well could end up with top 10 #s but I wouldn't be buying him at that price - just selling.

And im suggesting thats nonsense, he catches enough balls with his redzone work to finish top 10... hes avging 6 rec a game that he isnt blocking 99% of the pass plays in (only in week 4, literally the only TE on the roster that week)

 

[ratdog]

I just got Gronk for Decker and Ridley. Not sure if that helps you guys but I'd say that's in line with a Top 15-20 WR. Something like a Santonio Holmes/Brandon Marshall/Maclin type. I think there's some risk that he drops off and there's a lot of depth this year at TE.

Marshall is not in Gronk's league, especially with the mess at QB in Miami

in one of my leagues someone just traded Gronk for Dez

 

[the spanker]

Well all the responds here only validates I'm not crazy here. I can't get a handle on Gronk's value to save my life.

Will the emergence of Ridgley and the return of Hernandez negatively affect his production going forward? I keep saying there is no way he can continue the pace he's on but then again what's really stopping him from doing so?

 

[NBusiness]

What about witten and Antonio brown in ppr

 

[shnikies]

TEs aren't exactly super hard to come by.. Gronk only has 18 points from receptions this year and Roddy is tied for 2nd behind Welker. Roddy's TD % is low, but there is little reason to think it will stay that way. Gronk has 5, and there is little reason to think it will stay at the current pace. Maybe I'm wrong to be offended, but it would ruin the credibility of the person trying to lowball me with a Gronk for Roddy offer.

Certain quarterbacks have favorites near the goal line and it's pretty obvious that Gronk is Brady's guy. I don't see how his touchdown to reception ratio is relevant when a good amount of his targets come at the goal line.

 

[Sabertooth]

I have him as my top Dynasty TE.

 

[raidersfan]

I own Gronk and Finley in a PPR league where I have Big Ben and Freeman at QB, and am trying to upgrade my QB. I was offered Romo/Maclin for Freeman/Gronk. Countered with Big Ben/Gronk, we'll see. I get an instant upgrade at QB and also a top 25 WR for my drafted backup TE.

Having 5 TD's at this point to me screams of a sell high, but I wouldn't blame anyone for holding onto Gronk. I agree that Hernadez coming back does help GRonk, but I do think the Patriots will try to be more balanced going forward (like we saw last week) getting Ridley involved more.

Also I feel like with owning Finley I have that luxury to move Gronk, plus I play with Pats fans, so I may get a little more value for him.

 

[FF Wiseguy]

Gronk's numbers will come down, but I don't think the Patriots offense will shift to the ground enough to move him out of Top-10 TE territory. The personnel matchups give them a mismatch on almost every play, and I don't see them going away from this, even when the weather gets bad. Yes, there will be games where the run game is going so well that they won't need to pass, but also remember that the defense is bad, and the games will be a lot closer than last year.

Your TE situation definitely dictates a trade. Have you tested the market value of Finley? You might be able to pair him with Ben/Freeman to get an even better pair. I think Gronk will still be good for you, and you could get someone that's truly in the top 5 of QBs, or make a play for Rivers, who's a bit of a buy low right now.

 

[fightingillini]

I don't understand why it's so hard to determine a player's value.

For Gronkowski, he's projected to score about 30 points more than an average TE in a PPR 12 teamer, according to Dodds. Sounds about right, give or take 5 or so points. So for you to trade Gronkowski, you need to more than make up those points elsewhere, whether it's at one position or multiple positions. And that's assuming you have an average starting TE on the bench. Otherwise it's the difference in the TE that you will be starting over Gronkowski.

Here's an example.

Say you have O Daniels on your bench and if you trade Gronkowski, you will get average TE production (Daniels is the 6th ranked TE going forward). Say that your starting WRs are Nicks, Maclin and Boldin. Difference from Maclin to Roddy White is 30 points.

So in this case, a Gronkowski for Roddy White deal is fair, as has been discussed in previous posts. The Roddy White owner may disagree, but Gronkowski is a stud TE and Roddy White's value isn't as high as he was in the beginning of the season. This deal would actually improve his team since Boldin would get replaced and not Maclin. But the object is to improve your team, not to trade points from one position to another. Hence use the difference in from Maclin.

Example 2 - like example 1 but you're backup TE is Kellen Winslow instead of Daniels. That's a really big difference from Gronkowski to Winslow - about 50 points going forward. In this case, you're going to want a TE along with someone else. Say the other owner has Daniels. So a deal of Gronkowski and Maclin for Roddy White and Owen Daniels is very fair...in fact I would start with Gronkowski/Boldin for White/Daniels as this would improve my team.

These examples may suggest that I value Gronkowski too high, but the numbers don't lie. He's that much better than an average TE or any starting TE, and I need to make that up and more if I were to deal Gronkowski.

In summary, trading is all about improving your team. Gronkowski is a very valuable player than commands a high price to acquire. It's as simple as that.