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Gruden Frustrated With Joey Galloway (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
ummm it says right in your quote that he IS NOT in danger of being cut
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Exactly what I was thinking.It says "isn't likely", which suggests there is a possibility...
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
There is always a possibility. I hope the Packers can pick up LT after he possibly gets cut.
sholditch
Footballguy
just a guess, but do you like "Choose Your Own Adventure" books?SP = life support
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
There is no chance whatsoever that Galloway is cut. All that was said by Gruden is that he is frustrated by Galloway missing practice. Nothing more.
He was Tyrone Calico before Tyrone Calico existed...and once Tyrone Calico returned to the abyss, Bryant once again assumes the throne of "THE Tyrone Calico"
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
Tyrone Calico - 42 catches, 501 yards, 4 TDsAntonio Bryant - 250 catches, 3837 yards, 19 TDsAt 27 years old, Antonio Bryant ranks just outside the top 50 active WRs/TEs in the league in career receiving yards despite missing a full season.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
No? I'll take 1,000 / 6 any time.
sholditch
Footballguy
k, you got me there, lol. When was that?
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
You forgot Dallas
zadok
Footballguy
2005CLE16133.0012369100914.64125No 6TDs that year though. That was his rookie year for Dallas.
joffer
Footballguy
oh my god
EBF
Footballguy
He's actually not a measurables guy at all. Part of the reason why he fell in the draft after a brilliant college career is because he only clocked 4.57 in the 40. He's still produced pretty good stats on some horrible teams. He has a career average of 50 receiving yards per game. That equates to 800 yards in a 16 game season. It wouldn't take a huge bump up from that to make him a relevant FF WR and a huge steal at his current cost.
If he was mediocre, he wouldn't have 4,000 career receiving yards and he wouldn't be starting in the NFL as an eighth year player. There's a reason why he always ends up starting wherever he goes. He has talent. Maybe not elite talent, but good talent. His problems have mostly had to do with inept supporting casts and personal demons. When things don't go his way, he self destructs. The big risk with him is that he'll start yapping after a few games if things aren't going smoothly.
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sholditch
Footballguy
He's never started 16 games in his career, his last good season was in 2005, he didn't play at all in 2007, and his last season he had 700-some yards and 3 Tds. Explain to me again how he is a better option than Stovall or Clayton? Not buying it at all. Gruden also thought Alex Smith could be an elite TE and thinks Caddy will be a force this year. This is the same guy who got positively giddy about Bruce Gradkowski. Learn your coachspeak.
If he wasn't mediocre, he wouldn't be on his 5th team after the other 4 teams were dissapointed with his work ethic/production and shipped him the hell out of dodge... 8 year vet without a single great season sure sounds mediocre..And I followed the guy while he was at Pitt... he ran terrible at the combine, but the guy is a far greater physical talent than a football player....Simple as that.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
but if its not likely, than that would make the danger not very high...yet by choosing to put the word danger in the thread title, that seems to emphasize the risk?
EBF
Footballguy
It seems like Gruden thinks he's a better option. Bryant started over both of those guys in the last preseason game and certainly appears to be above them on the depth chart.Bryant isn't a flawless prospect, but I'm in the camp who thinks you shouldn't ignore a former 1,000 yard WR when he seizes a starting job on a team whose only proven WR hasn't practiced once during the entire offseason. This situation has great potential and Bryant will have the first crack at exploiting it.
EBF
Footballguy
I don't know if there's much evidence to support that claim. You initially compared him to Tyrone Calico, an unproductive WR who was drafted in the 2nd round out of Middle Tennessee State on the basis of his height and speed. I showed that Bryant's career is in no way comparable to Calico's and you countered by saying that it's his Madden measurables that make him an attractive pick. This is odd because one of the big knocks on Bryant coming out of college was a lack of ideal foot speed. Yet now you're saying he's a better physical specimen than football player. This doesn't add up with what I know about him. He won the Biletnikoff Award as a sophomore and left Pittsburgh as the all-time leading receiver in the program's history despite only playing two seasons. If he was merely a physical specimen then I don't think he would've been so consistently productive throughout his football career. It's fine if you don't like him, but your justifications for your opinions don't seem to have much basis in reality. Bryant has always been a good football player plagued by inconsistency, weak supporting casts, and personal turmoil. He has shown the ability to produce in the NFL and he's in position to re-emerge as a relevant FF player. Whether or not he can keep his act together remains to be seen, but I like the upside he offers as a late pick.
EBF
Footballguy
What if Galloway isn't ready for the start of the season? He takes great care of himself, but he's 3 months away from his 37th birthday. He won't play forever. It's entirely possible that this will be the season when he hits the wall and another receiver emerges as the top threat on the Bucs.
Lloyd: What are the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together? Mary: Well, that's pretty difficult to say. Lloyd: Hit me with it! I've come a long way to see you, Mary. The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances? Mary: Not good. Lloyd: You mean, not good like one out of a hundred? Mary: I'd say more like one out of a million. [pause] Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance.oh my god
gump
Footballguy
He hasn't dropped any passes in preseason...so he leapfrogs Clayton.Stovall hasn't been able to beat out Clayton.The catch and run he had last night was not much...but it was the best play we've seen in Tampa from a WR not named Galloway in several years.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
sholditch
Footballguy
Second time I have seen Dumb and Dumber work in this forum. In like a week.Lloyd: What are the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together? Mary: Well, that's pretty difficult to say. Lloyd: Hit me with it! I've come a long way to see you, Mary. The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances? Mary: Not good. Lloyd: You mean, not good like one out of a hundred? Mary: I'd say more like one out of a million. [pause] Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance.oh my god
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Clayton has been a colossal bust since his rookie year and there are no signs of anything being different. If he was showing something, it would be different, but he has largely been invisible in preseason. Bryant has been impressive in preseason and there is no denying he has talent. He did not play last year, but he had 40/700+ in 2006 and over 1000 yards in 2005. His career yards per reception is over 15. He has been in the top 45 WRs 4 times. He may not be great, but to say he has never done anything is untrue.
Stovall? Please.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I just picked him up on the (very) cheap in a dynasty league so I hope I am very wrong about this but...
His physical attributes/talent are overrated. As mentioned, he has solid talent, not great talent. But his MENTAL talents are what brings him down. And I'm not even talking about the off-the-field stuff (though that has the same root). He just loses focus/interest VERY quickly. He has always had a ton of drops (catchable balls, he doesn't catch) per target, so whether you want to put that in the physical or mental category is up to you, but it's not a good thing regardless.
In stretches, he can be a pretty good (NFL starting caliber) receiver, but I wouldn't bet on much in terms of a startable fantasy receiver.
His physical attributes/talent are overrated. As mentioned, he has solid talent, not great talent. But his MENTAL talents are what brings him down. And I'm not even talking about the off-the-field stuff (though that has the same root). He just loses focus/interest VERY quickly. He has always had a ton of drops (catchable balls, he doesn't catch) per target, so whether you want to put that in the physical or mental category is up to you, but it's not a good thing regardless.
In stretches, he can be a pretty good (NFL starting caliber) receiver, but I wouldn't bet on much in terms of a startable fantasy receiver.
EBF
Footballguy
No one is saying Bryant is a lock for success, but it would be a mistake to let the downside obscure the upside. Antonio Bryant is not David Boston. He could meet the same fate or he could be a smashing success. The reason he's a good value right now is because too many people are getting hung up on the former without considering the latter.
HellToupee
Footballguy
sholditch
Footballguy
I never said he hasn't done anything, and I don't dispute what you have said about the other WRs, but cmon. First of all, Galloway will start, will be their best receiver by far, and will be Garcia's main target. When it comes to the TB passing game, he's the only show in town. Second, when was the last time that a receiver missed an entire year (don't even know why so I assume he simply got cut by SF and was never picked up) and came back to have a ff relevant season?Look, I know it's possible and all, and maybe he has looked good in preseason, but how likely is it that he would make even a decent spot starter? Not very. Also noticed he is averaging fewer ypc than Stovall in preseason. Please doesn't make a very good case against him.Anthony Borbely said:
First - I compared him to tyrone is that he was a sexy preseason hype pick that perpetually didn't pan out... I think the comparison in that respect is spot on...Secondly - He ran a slow 40 at the combine.. i am aware of that... you refer to his big knock - which was simply a reiteration of that point. He came out of College a 'prototypical sized WR' with huge athleticism who had a bad combine, and dominated weak big east Db's throughout his career at pitt. If it makes you feel better.. I was also dead on that Kevan Barlow was a sorry excuse for an NFL prospect and had no business becoming the feature back of SF... a poor mans Donnell Bennett.If it makes you feel better, then I'll say he isn't good NFL WR... i could also say he is a better physical specimin than a football player, and that would also be correct... if you want to draft him in the 15th round and delude yourself in thinking you are a hero...go ahead. But his chances are no better than Stovall or Clayton to do anything in that offense.EBF said:
Oh, and you'd also think if a coach called Bryant "the most talented he's ever coached" you'd presume he is referring to his athleticism... meaning Bryant is considered immensely athletic, but with mediocre production
not following how you can't follow a blantently logical post.
not following how you can't follow a blantently logical post.
gump
Footballguy
Sholditch's point about the Bucs Offense is valid.
But I think '07 may not be a good indicator. Nor '03-'06 for that matter.
That last time Gruden had a QB I believe he trusts as much as Garcia and 2 legit WR was '02:
- Brad Johnson threw for 3,000 yards and Rob Johnson for 550 (Garcia 2,450 in '07, McCown 1,000)
- Keyshawn had 1,100 and 5 TDs (typical Galloway year)
- McCardell had 670 and 6 TDs
- #3 WR Jurevicius had 425 and 4 TDs
I could see Garcia throwing for 3K...if a WR steps up and takes control of the #2 in this offense he could get McCardell's numbers plus some of Joe J's.
But I think '07 may not be a good indicator. Nor '03-'06 for that matter.
That last time Gruden had a QB I believe he trusts as much as Garcia and 2 legit WR was '02:
- Brad Johnson threw for 3,000 yards and Rob Johnson for 550 (Garcia 2,450 in '07, McCown 1,000)
- Keyshawn had 1,100 and 5 TDs (typical Galloway year)
- McCardell had 670 and 6 TDs
- #3 WR Jurevicius had 425 and 4 TDs
I could see Garcia throwing for 3K...if a WR steps up and takes control of the #2 in this offense he could get McCardell's numbers plus some of Joe J's.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Along these lines Ike hillard 62 catches , but did next to nothing with them scoring only 1 TD and around 11 yeards a catch. If Bryant gets that same number of catches, i think he will do more. Also, value and upside are relative here, as if you are in a shallow redraft then no he won't be rosterable until his role and production are clearer. He still should be your watch list and is the type of guy you want to pick before he puts together two or three weeks of good football. In really deep and most dynasty league, he is probably already on the back end of someone's roster.
joffer
Footballguy
August 19, 2008, 13:44
Buccaneers :: QB, WR, DL
WR Galloway, QB Garcia, DT Haye All Practicing
Roy Cummings, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]
The Buccaneers saw the return of several starters at practice today. WR Joey Galloway was on the field for the first time in several weeks after nursing a sore groin. He was taking passes from QB Jeff Garcia, who also was making his first appearance in two weeks due a sore right calf. Also, DT Jovan Haye practiced with the team after recovering from a sore groin.
Buccaneers :: QB, WR, DL
WR Galloway, QB Garcia, DT Haye All Practicing
Roy Cummings, Tampa Tribune - [Full Article]
The Buccaneers saw the return of several starters at practice today. WR Joey Galloway was on the field for the first time in several weeks after nursing a sore groin. He was taking passes from QB Jeff Garcia, who also was making his first appearance in two weeks due a sore right calf. Also, DT Jovan Haye practiced with the team after recovering from a sore groin.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
"So you're saying there's a chance"Dumb & Dumber
machogrande
Footballguy
Thank you. He's a career 2 for 20 FF disaster. When I reflect back, I actually get nauseous thinking about how many times I plugged this stinker into my lineup waiting for the always dangled & never delivered "breakout".
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Some guys take longer for their head to catch up with their talent. Bryant was young (20) when he came out of Pitt. His last 2 NFL seasons were 1,009 yards and 733 yards. He's still only 27. The skill is there. If he finally has his head on straight, I'll take my chances with him as my WR 6.
