Guess the Raiders 2010 1st Rnd Draft Pick Sweepstakes (1 Viewer)

[Truman]

Hmmm..... I have to think like Al Davis. So I have to think like a GM and then take away reason and accountability. My answer: Dexter McCluster.

Damn you. In that case I'll take whoever runs the fastest 40 out of Joe Haden and Patrick Robinson.

 

[Donsmith753]

Pierre-Paul

 

[Donsmith753]

Pierre-Paul

 

[BassNBrew]

It wasn't a disastrous pick, but taking a punter or kicker in the first round is never a great pick.

Guy played a huge part in three Raiders championships. I'd rather have him than any of the guys you mentioned, mainly because we didn't need them at the time. If he wasn't a "football player," then why did they give him a helmet and shoulder pads? I guess the defense wasn't allowed to try to block his punts, since he isn't a football player?People make stupid arguments. Anyone who saw Guy play would realize he was worth his weight in gold.

You'd rather have a decent punter than a hall-of-fame guard? Interesting.How many yards per game do you think Ray Guy provided to the Raiders, over a decent punter who could have been picked up for free? Let's compare him with John James, who entered the league in 1972 as a free agent and had a decent 13-year career. (Ray's was 14 years).Yards per punt:Guy 42.4James 40.6Net:Guy 35.0James 34.6Punts inside 20 per game:Guy 1.01James 0.86Punts per gameGuy 5.1James 5.8So, Guy's net was less than half a yard better than James' per punt; let's be generous and ascribe 2.5 yards per game to Guy's net total. Guy also was somewhat better at putting punts inside the 20; on average, he put one more punt inside the 20 every 6 games than James did. Let's be generous again and assume that putting a punt inside the 20 is worth 20 yards in field position, because the opposing team will have more trouble operating out of their own end.So in a typical 14-game season, Guy would directly provide about 42 yards in field position based on his net, and another 50 yards or so based on punts inside the 20. So for the course of a season, he averaged about 70 punts, which produced a little over 90 yards in field position relative to a decent free agent punter.You don't think that Joe DeLamielleure, who was on the field for some 800 plays per season and blocked for OJ Simpson when he went for 2000 yards, would have produced more than 90 yards per season for the Raiders? If he makes a difference of one yard every 5 plays, he blows away Guy's contributions.No player who sees the field 5 times a game is worth a first-round pick.

Using logic with a Raider fan? You really shouldn't have bothered.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Anthony Davis, Jason Pierre-Paul, or Carlos Dunlap.

 

[IDrinkyourMilkshake]

O'Brien Schofield DE Wisconsin

 

[Raider Nation]

It wasn't a disastrous pick, but taking a punter or kicker in the first round is never a great pick.

Guy played a huge part in three Raiders championships. I'd rather have him than any of the guys you mentioned, mainly because we didn't need them at the time. If he wasn't a "football player," then why did they give him a helmet and shoulder pads? I guess the defense wasn't allowed to try to block his punts, since he isn't a football player?People make stupid arguments. Anyone who saw Guy play would realize he was worth his weight in gold.

You'd rather have a decent punter than a hall-of-fame guard? Interesting.How many yards per game do you think Ray Guy provided to the Raiders, over a decent punter who could have been picked up for free? Let's compare him with John James, who entered the league in 1972 as a free agent and had a decent 13-year career. (Ray's was 14 years).

Yards per punt:

Guy 42.4

James 40.6

Net:

Guy 35.0

James 34.6

Punts inside 20 per game:

Guy 1.01

James 0.86

Punts per game

Guy 5.1

James 5.8

So, Guy's net was less than half a yard better than James' per punt; let's be generous and ascribe 2.5 yards per game to Guy's net total. Guy also was somewhat better at putting punts inside the 20; on average, he put one more punt inside the 20 every 6 games than James did. Let's be generous again and assume that putting a punt inside the 20 is worth 20 yards in field position, because the opposing team will have more trouble operating out of their own end.

So in a typical 14-game season, Guy would directly provide about 42 yards in field position based on his net, and another 50 yards or so based on punts inside the 20. So for the course of a season, he averaged about 70 punts, which produced a little over 90 yards in field position relative to a decent free agent punter.

You don't think that Joe DeLamielleure, who was on the field for some 800 plays per season and blocked for OJ Simpson when he went for 2000 yards, would have produced more than 90 yards per season for the Raiders? If he makes a difference of one yard every 5 plays, he blows away Guy's contributions.

No player who sees the field 5 times a game is worth a first-round pick.

Using logic with a Raider fan? You really shouldn't have bothered.

MEOW!!!Oh, I'm sorry. I was supposed to give a serious answer?

First of all, good job characterizing James as a punter "who had a decent career" to aid your argument. He made three Pro Bowls. That's a tad better than decent. Why not just compare Guy to Reggie Roby?

Guy had only three of his 1,049 punts blocked and at the time of his retirement, and he punted 619 straight times without a block from 1979 until the end of his career in 1986. He led the NFL in punting in 1974, 1975, and 1977 and finished second three times and third once. Guy was also named All-Pro six times and All-AFC seven times.

As for DeLamielleure, he was a fine player... what do you want me to tell ya? But then-sane Al drafted for need. We NEEDED a punter, and he snagged the best one ever. The offensive line in those days was our greatest strength. So you can keep telling me how good DeLamielleure was, but he would have been a luxury.

 

[CalBear]

First of all, good job characterizing James as a punter "who had a decent career" to aid your argument. He made three Pro Bowls. That's a tad better than decent. Why not just compare Guy to Reggie Roby?

James was the player I found who most closely was a contemporary of Guy, with a similar career length, who was available as a free agent.Certainly if you compare Guy to anyone not of his era, he looks quite weak. He would struggle to make a roster in today's NFL.

As for DeLamielleure, he was a fine player... what do you want me to tell ya? But then-sane Al drafted for need. We NEEDED a punter, and he snagged the best one ever. The offensive line in those days was our greatest strength. So you can keep telling me how good DeLamielleure was, but he would have been a luxury.

Unlike Guy, Shane Lechler can truly make a claim for being the best punter ever. It doesn't seem to be doing much for the team.

 

[efactor]

First of all, good job characterizing James as a punter "who had a decent career" to aid your argument. He made three Pro Bowls. That's a tad better than decent. Why not just compare Guy to Reggie Roby?

James was the player I found who most closely was a contemporary of Guy, with a similar career length, who was available as a free agent.Certainly if you compare Guy to anyone not of his era, he looks quite weak. He would struggle to make a roster in today's NFL.

As for DeLamielleure, he was a fine player... what do you want me to tell ya? But then-sane Al drafted for need. We NEEDED a punter, and he snagged the best one ever. The offensive line in those days was our greatest strength. So you can keep telling me how good DeLamielleure was, but he would have been a luxury.

Unlike Guy, Shane Lechler can truly make a claim for being the best punter ever. It doesn't seem to be doing much for the team.

Guy was a great punter, but to spend a first rounder on someone who would have been available in the 2nd or later was not a good move..........

 

[Bruno2]

First of all, good job characterizing James as a punter "who had a decent career" to aid your argument. He made three Pro Bowls. That's a tad better than decent. Why not just compare Guy to Reggie Roby?

James was the player I found who most closely was a contemporary of Guy, with a similar career length, who was available as a free agent.Certainly if you compare Guy to anyone not of his era, he looks quite weak. He would struggle to make a roster in today's NFL.

As for DeLamielleure, he was a fine player... what do you want me to tell ya? But then-sane Al drafted for need. We NEEDED a punter, and he snagged the best one ever. The offensive line in those days was our greatest strength. So you can keep telling me how good DeLamielleure was, but he would have been a luxury.

Unlike Guy, Shane Lechler can truly make a claim for being the best punter ever. It doesn't seem to be doing much for the team.

Guy was a great punter, but to spend a first rounder on someone who would have been available in the 2nd or later was not a good move..........

You know its not good when you're only perennial Pro-Bowler is Shane Lechler your punter. As for drafting Guy in the 1st, I'm kinda on the fence. On one hand, I think drafting a punter in the 1st round is horrible idea. But back in his heyday, Al did things his way and it worked. Back then the Raiders were a good football team, and a punter was a huge need, so Al pulled the trigger on Guy and it paid off. Fast forward to 2000, the Raiders again were a good football team but they were having kicker issues, so Al pulls the same trick again, this time with Janikowski, wasting that 1st round pick was the beginning of the end for the Raiders and they haven't been the same since. But then some will say...While SeaBass may not be the best kicker in history he has solidified the position for 10 years, does that still make him worthy of the 17th overall selection?

 

[efactor]

First of all, good job characterizing James as a punter "who had a decent career" to aid your argument. He made three Pro Bowls. That's a tad better than decent. Why not just compare Guy to Reggie Roby?

James was the player I found who most closely was a contemporary of Guy, with a similar career length, who was available as a free agent.Certainly if you compare Guy to anyone not of his era, he looks quite weak. He would struggle to make a roster in today's NFL.

As for DeLamielleure, he was a fine player... what do you want me to tell ya? But then-sane Al drafted for need. We NEEDED a punter, and he snagged the best one ever. The offensive line in those days was our greatest strength. So you can keep telling me how good DeLamielleure was, but he would have been a luxury.

Unlike Guy, Shane Lechler can truly make a claim for being the best punter ever. It doesn't seem to be doing much for the team.

Guy was a great punter, but to spend a first rounder on someone who would have been available in the 2nd or later was not a good move..........

You know its not good when you're only perennial Pro-Bowler is Shane Lechler your punter. As for drafting Guy in the 1st, I'm kinda on the fence. On one hand, I think drafting a punter in the 1st round is horrible idea. But back in his heyday, Al did things his way and it worked. Back then the Raiders were a good football team, and a punter was a huge need, so Al pulled the trigger on Guy and it paid off. Fast forward to 2000, the Raiders again were a good football team but they were having kicker issues, so Al pulls the same trick again, this time with Janikowski, wasting that 1st round pick was the beginning of the end for the Raiders and they haven't been the same since. But then some will say...While SeaBass may not be the best kicker in history he has solidified the position for 10 years, does that still make him worthy of the 17th overall selection?

It's about value though. Seabass solidified the kicker position, but pretty sure he would have been available later in the draft (same thing with Guy). Why take someone in the 1st when you can get them in the 2nd or later. If they're gone, big deal. I think Al liked to be different and when they had great teams, he was looked at as an innovator. Now, he looks like a bumbling idiot.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I expect either Williams or Mays.

 

[Raider Nation]

Certainly if you compare Guy to anyone not of his era, he looks quite weak. He would struggle to make a roster in today's NFL.

LOLZ. I thought you were above trolling, GB.

 

[Chadstroma]

Unpredictable? Not really. Find the guy with the fastest 40 and that is your 1st round pick.

 

[Bruno2]

Unpredictable? Not really. Find the guy with the fastest 40 and that is your 1st round pick.

You're right unpredictable was the wrong word to use.

 

[Bruno2]

Oh, and I'd dispute the fact that Oakland is unpredictable.

WOW! Ok I may have to retract that statement.

FWIW, the guy that told him to lock in on DHB for the Raiders last year is telling him the same about Trent Williams this year. That could possibly change after the combine, but I'm buying.

Williams looked really good at the combine today. He ran the second fastest 40 time of all OLmen. I'm sure him and Campbell just shot up Al Davis' draft board, Holliday also may have just become a Raider today as well.

 

[This is LJ]

Bruce Campbell just had a dynamite workout. Dude is one of the crazies athletes I've seen at the position.

Dumb as rocks too, evidently. He's a lock.

 

[Bruno2]

Bruce Campbell just had a dynamite workout. Dude is one of the crazies athletes I've seen at the position.Dumb as rocks too, evidently. He's a lock.

I found it strange that Mayock said that was one of the best offensive linemen workouts he'd seen, EVER.Then Casserly said he was unimpressed and expected more out of him. I guess Campbell is a raw player and will need some work, it will be interesting to see where he gets drafted.

 

[rock753]

Bruce Campbell just had a dynamite workout. Dude is one of the crazies athletes I've seen at the position.Dumb as rocks too, evidently. He's a lock.

Yep...this is what I would say.

 

[Football Critic]

Alyssa Milano - Cuz she looks good in a Raiders shirt

 

[QuizGuy66]

Some special teams dude ran a 4.27 (unofficial) today. I might have to change my pick to him

-QG

 

[Sinrman]

I'm going to guess offense. Soooo.... O-lineman or ANOTHER WR... hmmm, if he lasts, I'll go Dez Bryant.

 

[dcgangstas]

Psssst... Ray Guy was a GREAT pick.

Yes, but could he have gotten him in the 2nd round? Probably.................I say the Raiders go with Anthony Davis. Back to basics...........

Since Okung will most certainly be gone by the time the Beloved Silver and Black pick, I'll go with Anthony Davis also. Still reeling over last year's DHB pick. Can hardly wait to see how many passes Butterfingers Bey drops next season.

 

[cobalt_27]

Bruce Campbell. Perfect fit.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Bruce Campbell just had a dynamite workout. Dude is one of the crazies athletes I've seen at the position.

Dumb as rocks too, evidently. He's a lock.

I found it strange that Mayock said that was one of the best offensive linemen workouts he'd seen, EVER.Then Casserly said he was unimpressed and expected more out of him. I guess Campbell is a raw player and will need some work, it will be interesting to see where he gets drafted.

Being a Texan fan I could argue that Casserly's almost as bad as Al...

 

[DesmondBishop]

I'm going to guess offense. Soooo.... O-lineman or ANOTHER WR... hmmm, if he lasts, I'll go Dez Bryant.

If he goes WR it will have to be Jacoby Ford with a stunning 4.28 40. I think this is the year Al surprises everyone and makes a normal pick, OL or DL.

 

[gheemony]

Narrowing down to Campbell, Dez Bryant, or a USC player.

 

[Bruno2]

Well nobody got it, which doesn't surprise me at all. At least the Raiders drafted a "football player" like McClain. I was so worried Al was gonna take Bruce Campbell. PPHHEEWWW.

 

[dcgangstas]

Well nobody got it, which doesn't surprise me at all. At least the Raiders drafted a "football player" like McClain. I was so worried Al was gonna take Bruce Campbell. PPHHEEWWW.

Same here, man. I just knew Al was gonna take Campbell, making it back-to-back Maryland picks. Still reeling over Hayward-Bey from last year.

 

[Pisgah Flying Pigmen]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry11579830

Just got back from golf, I'm ecstatic

 

[LawFitz]

Been hating on Al lately, but I am stoked on this draft so far boys.

1. McClain - A - BPA and a HUGE need.

2. Houston - A - 1st round quality DT in rd 2. Al took advantage of a very deep DT class and again addressed a major need. I really wanted Price but Houston is not far off.

3. Veldheer - B+ - looks like a small school gem that might actually be able to play LT in case Mario Henderson stops developing.

Still a ways to go but traditionally Al's early rounds haven't been the best so it's nice to see them looking good this year. At least IMO.

 

[Nagle2998]

Been hating on Al lately, but I am stoked on this draft so far boys.1. McClain - A - BPA and a HUGE need.2. Houston - A - 1st round quality DT in rd 2. Al took advantage of a very deep DT class and again addressed a major need. I really wanted Price but Houston is not far off.3. Veldheer - B+ - looks like a small school gem that might actually be able to play LT in case Mario Henderson stops developing.Still a ways to go but traditionally Al's early rounds haven't been the best so it's nice to see them looking good this year. At least IMO.

Not a Raiders fan but I think you have to be very happy with what Davis has done you think it's pure luck or did Davis find the fountain of youth. I'm not sure what the Raiders pick in round four but if they can land Bruce Campbell it could be a great draft no matter what they do after that. I would also call Washington and see about Jason Campbell because you could draft all world and not win with the Qb's you have.