Guy is road killing deer for profit (1 Viewer)

[AhrnCityPahnder]

But the bad shots aren't aiming for the hip. They want a clean kill even if it doesn't work out that way.....

So intent is what matters here, not the end result?

Of course. Until they deny hunting licenses to poor shots, at least.

I can't help but think of hate-crime laws here.

 

[Flying V]

Plenty of hunters do it for the simple pleasure of killing.

I hope you're wrong about that. I know many hunters that either kill more than they can possibly eat or don't eat the meat at all. But at least they give the meat to whoever wants it. I'm not sure why they do it. But to kill just because you like killing? I can't wrap my head around that one. I wonder how many serial killers started out as avid hunters.

Using the meat doesn't mean they aren't hunting for the pleasure of killing.

That's true. But how do you know they enjoy the killing part? Have they told you so, or are you just guessing? A woman once told me that if it wasn't for the joy of killing, nobody would hunt anymore. That made about as much sense to me as if she were to tell me that Brett Favre refused to retire because he loves to get tackled.

 

[Flying V]

But the bad shots aren't aiming for the hip. They want a clean kill even if it doesn't work out that way.....

So intent is what matters here, not the end result?

Of course. Until they deny hunting licenses to poor shots, at least.

I can't help but think of hate-crime laws here.

:spitsouthook:

 

[TexanFan02]

What that guy is doing is not cool at all. Is it worse to roadkill a deer for profit or roadkill a deer for this?

lawyers motion to dismiss

First they say he's being accused of having sex with a dead "dear", then they quote the Princess Bride. Priceless.

 

[KCC]

When I was a kid, my neighbor hit a deer with his car. When he hit it, the deer flew up over the hood of the car, crashed through his windshield, and proceeded to kick the #### out of him with it's rock hard hooves in a desperate attempt to free itself from the car. My neighbor then spent the next few weeks in the hospital recovering from numerous broken bones, internal injuries, and a concussion. If there is any justice, the same thing will happen to this idiot.

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

When I was a kid, my neighbor hit a deer with his car. When he hit it, the deer flew up over the hood of the car, crashed through his windshield, and proceeded to kick the #### out of him with it's rock hard hooves in a desperate attempt to free itself from the car. My neighbor then spent the next few weeks in the hospital recovering from numerous broken bones, internal injuries, and a concussion. If there is any justice, the same thing will happen to this idiot.

That...was...AWESOME:tommyboy:

 

[Das Boot]

When I was a kid, my neighbor hit a deer with his car. When he hit it, the deer flew up over the hood of the car, crashed through his windshield, and proceeded to kick the #### out of him with it's rock hard hooves in a desperate attempt to free itself from the car. My neighbor then spent the next few weeks in the hospital recovering from numerous broken bones, internal injuries, and a concussion. If there is any justice, the same thing will happen to this idiot.

Too bad somebody hadn't taken that deer out before your neighbor hit it.Oh, wait...

 

[Crimson Hawk]

What that guy is doing is not cool at all. Is it worse to roadkill a deer for profit or roadkill a deer for this?

lawyers motion to dismiss

First they say he's being accused of having sex with a dead "dear", then they quote the Princess Bride. Priceless.

I'm not looking it up but I am pretty sure these are two different weirdos.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

 

[bueno]

People who enjoy killing animals for fun typically progress to killing the highest order of animals.

really?

 

[Chaka]

Plenty of hunters do it for the simple pleasure of killing.

I hope you're wrong about that. I know many hunters that either kill more than they can possibly eat or don't eat the meat at all. But at least they give the meat to whoever wants it. I'm not sure why they do it. But to kill just because you like killing? I can't wrap my head around that one. I wonder how many serial killers started out as avid hunters.

Using the meat doesn't mean they aren't hunting for the pleasure of killing.

That's true. But how do you know they enjoy the killing part? Have they told you so, or are you just guessing? A woman once told me that if it wasn't for the joy of killing, nobody would hunt anymore. That made about as much sense to me as if she were to tell me that Brett Favre refused to retire because he loves to get tackled.

I said 'plenty' not 'all' or even 'most', 'plenty' and I stand by that.I lived in Michigan for three years and knew a lot of hunters. More than one said they took pleasure in the kill.

 

[Flying V]

Plenty of hunters do it for the simple pleasure of killing.

I hope you're wrong about that. I know many hunters that either kill more than they can possibly eat or don't eat the meat at all. But at least they give the meat to whoever wants it. I'm not sure why they do it. But to kill just because you like killing? I can't wrap my head around that one. I wonder how many serial killers started out as avid hunters.

Using the meat doesn't mean they aren't hunting for the pleasure of killing.

That's true. But how do you know they enjoy the killing part? Have they told you so, or are you just guessing? A woman once told me that if it wasn't for the joy of killing, nobody would hunt anymore. That made about as much sense to me as if she were to tell me that Brett Favre refused to retire because he loves to get tackled.

I said 'plenty' not 'all' or even 'most', 'plenty' and I stand by that.I lived in Michigan for three years and knew a lot of hunters. More than one said they took pleasure in the kill.

More than one is plenty enough for me. I don't blame you for moving.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I don't understand why there's even a question of whether hunters enjoy a kill. I've never hunted and in fact am a vegetarian (not for moral reasons though), but if you set out to do a basic survival instinct job why wouldn't you take pleasure in the kill? There's a difference of course between a sadistic pleasure and the pleasure of a job well done, but I just can't imagine people going hunting, making a kill, and not feeling the pleasure of completing a job well done. You can even feel a little remorse while taking pleasure in something and I'm sure a good portion of hunters do feel that way. But come on, you're going out to bag a deer and if you bag it, then why not feel pride and satisfaction and pleasure?

 

[Crimson Hawk]

The funny thing about that video is that if it were trying to hurt him I am pretty sure it would have gored him. He had sprayed himself with doe urine. The buck was trying to bone him.

 

[Crimson Hawk]

People who enjoy killing animals for fun typically progress to killing the highest order of animals.

really?

LOL one of the dumbest things ever typed on this board.

 

[Arch Stanton]

There used to be a site about a guy who went out and had the sechs with dolphins. About how it was spiritual and their intelligence and family structure was similar to humans and that made it not only ok, but had rejuvenating/rehabilitationg properties. He had a log of where he'd humped dolphins as well as some tips for getting in there properly. One tip I remember was don't go for the blowhole. That thing closes watertight, could rip your junk right off.

I also actually knew a hippie, lesbian chick that organized trips to go swim with dolphins and had a whole site dedicated to how being that close to their sonar emanations was therapeutic. AFIK, she did not attempt to be mounted bu any dolphins.

Here's my other favorite

of a guy getting absolutely owned by a critter. One frame he's in the shot, the next frame...well he ain't happy.

 

[DrJ]

Just so I am clear, some of you fine folks are unable to see a difference between hunting and driving at a high rate of speed at night, swerving all over the road to hit any piece of the deer possible? I don't buy it. No one does more for wildlife management, habitat and health than sportsmen. This guy is on the other end of the spectrum.Rather than playing dumb, why don't some of you folks just start an anti-hunt thread. Trying to equivocate this tool with hunting is intellectually dishonest.

I'm totally for hunting, and killing animals in any environmentally friendly way. Animals are kind of a nuisance, and in the case of deer they're a danger to motorists when overpopulated. If there's room for more to survive in a habitat, more are going to show up anyways, it's not like this guy or hunters are pushing these animals to the brink of extinction. So trim em down as best you can.

 

[Tick]

That and the mentality that killing bucks is the only reason to hunt among hunters is contributing to this problem.

I just don't get this. Doe and button bucks give the best meat, which is my goal in hunting.

 

[Tick]

What that guy is doing is not cool at all. Is it worse to roadkill a deer for profit or roadkill a deer for this?

Exactly how is this guy profiting?

he's selling DVDs. doubt many people are buying.

People who watch CMT will.

Now imagine he said BET.

I find this shtick funny, as long as I only see it about once every three months.

 

[DrJ]

Plenty of hunters do it for the simple pleasure of killing.

I hope you're wrong about that. I know many hunters that either kill more than they can possibly eat or don't eat the meat at all. But at least they give the meat to whoever wants it. I'm not sure why they do it. But to kill just because you like killing? I can't wrap my head around that one. I wonder how many serial killers started out as avid hunters.

I dunno, there was a time when people realized that killing animals was entirely different than killing human beings. Then a bunch of people decided that animals were all special and it was cruel to kill them, even though you're just creating opportunity for another animal when you do so.

 

[Tick]

What we all did was make sure to have comprehensive insurance on the vehicles, and I kept a knife in each so that when I did hit one--I was ready for field dressing so it could go into the pot.

We tried roadkill venison one time, but the meat was bruised up so badly that it was only usable for chili.Anchorage has a cool program where moose roadkill is butchered by volunteers, then the meat is given to the needy.BTW, as much as I don't like to see deer roadkill, moose roadkill is really sickening. The amount of blood is shocking, they often linger/thrash, and I always wonder if the driver survived - those legs are long enough that the body goes right into the windshield often.

 

[S.K.A.]

Flying V,

I am kind of surprised to see you write that you don't enjoy the kill. I enjoy almost everything about hunting including the kill. It keeps me in good shape, it keeps my survival skills brushed up, it allows me quality time with my family and friends away from everyday distractions, it puts healthy food on the table, it helps support the local wildlife management programs, and it recharges my natural/spiritual side. I enjoy the kill and I usually say a quick prayer over every harvest. I try to be as efficient and 'humane' as possible. Having said that, I typically hunt with a bow & arrow which is not the most effective means. I do my best to utilize all of the meat and often use parts of the hide for tying flies (I fly fish quite a bit).

I used to not care for gutting the animals, but I now use a gutless method that works really well.

I'm not sure why I typed all of that, but most hunters I know enjoy the kill. It is typically the highlight of the hunt. I can promise you that my adrenaline doesn't get as elevated during any other time as when the animal gets within bowrange and I come to full draw (except last year when I looked up from an elk I was quartering to see a grizzly bear checking me out. That got the my adrenaline up a skosh).

 

[newteech]

People who enjoy killing animals for fun typically progress to killing the highest order of animals.

really?

What Makes Serial Killers Tick? By Shirley Lynn Scott The TriadTorturing animals is a disturbing red flag. Animals are often seen as "practice" for killing humans. Ed Kemper buried the family cat alive, dug it up, and cut off its head. Dahmer was notoriousfor his animal cruelty, cutting off dogs heads and placing them on a stick behind his house.

 

[Arch Stanton]

People who enjoy killing animals for fun typically progress to killing the highest order of animals.

really?

What Makes Serial Killers Tick? By Shirley Lynn Scott The TriadTorturing animals is a disturbing red flag. Animals are often seen as "practice" for killing humans. Ed Kemper buried the family cat alive, dug it up, and cut off its head. Dahmer was notoriousfor his animal cruelty, cutting off dogs heads and placing them on a stick behind his house.

Killing animals for fun is not the same as torturing animals. Enjoying the kill during the hunt is even less so. Quite a reach here.

 

[culdeus]

There used to be a site about a guy who went out and had the sechs with dolphins. About how it was spiritual and their intelligence and family structure was similar to humans and that made it not only ok, but had rejuvenating/rehabilitationg properties. He had a log of where he'd humped dolphins as well as some tips for getting in there properly. One tip I remember was don't go for the blowhole. That thing closes watertight, could rip your junk right off.

I also actually knew a hippie, lesbian chick that organized trips to go swim with dolphins and had a whole site dedicated to how being that close to their sonar emanations was therapeutic. AFIK, she did not attempt to be mounted bu any dolphins.

Here's my other favorite

 

[Moe.]

What's phase 2?

 

[Tick]

What Makes Serial Killers Tick?

Hey!

 

[Flying V]

Flying V,I am kind of surprised to see you write that you don't enjoy the kill. I enjoy almost everything about hunting including the kill. It keeps me in good shape, it keeps my survival skills brushed up, it allows me quality time with my family and friends away from everyday distractions, it puts healthy food on the table, it helps support the local wildlife management programs, and it recharges my natural/spiritual side. I enjoy the kill and I usually say a quick prayer over every harvest. I try to be as efficient and 'humane' as possible. Having said that, I typically hunt with a bow & arrow which is not the most effective means. I do my best to utilize all of the meat and often use parts of the hide for tying flies (I fly fish quite a bit). I used to not care for gutting the animals, but I now use a gutless method that works really well. I'm not sure why I typed all of that, but most hunters I know enjoy the kill. It is typically the highlight of the hunt. I can promise you that my adrenaline doesn't get as elevated during any other time as when the animal gets within bowrange and I come to full draw (except last year when I looked up from an elk I was quartering to see a grizzly bear checking me out. That got the my adrenaline up a skosh).

I hunt for 3 reasons. First, I love being out in the wilds. I could be out there all day without killing a thing and still feel it was a day well spent. Second, I like the idea of harvesting my own meat the same way a gardener enjoys eating his own produce. Self sufficiency rates pretty high in my book. And third, I love the challenge of locating and getting within killing distance of a trophy rack buck. Non-hunters really have no concept of just how difficult that can be, and how much fate can conspire against you in the effort. But watching a deer drop and gasp it's last breath brings me no joy what-so-ever. I rejoice at my success, but the taking of a life saddens me, and I hope that it always does. But it's just part of the circle of life.I compare it to a quarterback throwing a touchdown pass just as he's flattened by a pass rusher. He'd rather do it without being tackled, but he has to put that out of his mind if he wants to have continued success.I can understand why hunters have no reason to feel guilty, and it makes hunting easier if they can condition themselves to feel no sorrow for killing. But I've never been able to do that, and I eventually decided it was probably healthier for me to live with the sadness than to mentally block it out. I'm killing because I'm carnivorous, and the alternatives are to live as a vegetarian or a hypocrite.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

How does it make one a hypocrite to be carnivorous but not a hunter?

 

[Flying V]

How does it make one a hypocrite to be carnivorous but not a hunter?

I'm willing to let you off the hook if you're willing to admit that eating store bought meat is just passing the killing of innocent, helpless animals onto somebody else, but you are still responsible for their death.I have a sister that is so deep in denial, she thinks all leather products come from animals that died of old age.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

How does it make one a hypocrite to be carnivorous but not a hunter?

I'm willing to let you off the hook if you're willing to admit that eating store bought meat is just passing the killing of innocent, helpless animals onto somebody else, but you are still responsible for their death.

Sure. It's a matter of convenience, not denial.edit: spelling

 

[Flying V]

How does it make one a hypocrite to be carnivorous but not a hunter?

I'm willing to let you off the hook if you're willing to admit that eating store bought meat is just passing the killing of innocent, helpless animals onto somebody else, but you are still responsible for their death.

Sure. It's a matter of convenience, not denial.

You're right. I left out the third possibility because I was feeling a little defensive. I wish all non-hunters could be as honest with themselves as you. PM me your address and I'll send you some tasty deer sticks.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Looks like they are gonna have to drop some of the charges.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court, with only one dissenting vote Tuesday, struck down a federal ban on videos that show graphic violence against animals. The ruling cheered free speech advocates, but it raised concerns that more animals will be harmed.The justices threw out the criminal conviction of Robert Stevens of Pittsville, Va., who was sentenced to three years in prison for videos he made about pit bull fights.The law was enacted in 1999 to limit Internet sales of so-called crush videos, which appeal to a certain sexual fetish by showing women crushing to death small animals with their bare feet or high-heeled shoes.The videos virtually disappeared once the measure became law, the government argued. The Bush administration used the law for the first time when it indicted Stevens in 2004.All 50 states have laws against animal cruelty, but the federal statute targeted the videos because it has been difficult to prosecute people who take part in violence against animals with a camera rolling, but not showing their faces.Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the majority, said the law goes too far. He suggested that a measure limited to crush videos might be valid.The Humane Society of the United States said it would press Congress to adopt a narrower ban on the sale of videos showing "malicious acts of cruelty." Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., is looking at whether there is a way "to protect animal rights, which really is the main focus, without infringing on free speech," Blumenauer spokeswoman Erin Allweiss said.In dissent, Justice Samuel Alito, a dog owner himself, said the harm animals suffer in dogfights is enough to sustain the law. Alito's dog, Zeus, a springer spaniel, is sometimes seen around the court being walked by Alito's wife, Martha-Ann.Alito also said the ruling probably will spur new crush videos because it has "the practical effect of legalizing the sale of such videos."Humane Society President Wayne Pacelle said hundreds of crush videos appeared on the Internet after a federal appeals court ruled in Stevens' favor in 2008. "This court ruling is going to accelerate that trend. That's why it's critical that the Congress take action," he said.Other animal rights groups, including the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, and 26 states also joined the Obama administration in support of the law. The government sought a ruling that treated videos showing animal cruelty like child pornography - that is, not entitled to constitutional protection.But Roberts said the law could be read to allow the prosecution of the producers of films about hunting. And he scoffed at the administration's assurances that it would only apply the law to depictions of extreme cruelty."But the First Amendment protects against the government," Roberts said. "We would not uphold an unconstitutional statute merely because the government promised to use it responsibly."Free speech advocates praised Tuesday's ruling."Speech is protected whether it's popular or unpopular, harmful or unharmful," said David Horowitz, executive director of the Media Coalition. The group submitted a brief siding with Stevens on behalf of booksellers, documentary film makers, theater owners, writers groups and others.Stevens ran a business and Web site that sold videos of pit bull fights. He is among a handful of people prosecuted under the animal cruelty law, none of them for making crush videos. He noted in court papers that his sentence was 14 months longer than professional football player Michael Vick's prison term for running a dogfighting ring.A federal judge rejected Stevens' First Amendment claims, but the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia ruled in his favor.The administration persuaded the high court to intervene, but for the second time this year, the justices struck down a federal law on free speech grounds. In January, the court invalidated parts of a 63-year-old law aimed at limiting corporate and union involvement in political campaigns.The case is U.S. v. Stevens, 08-769.© 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Learn more about our Privacy Policy.

 

[Pisgah Flying Pigmen]

Charges dropped, based on recent ruling(Hipple's post above)

http://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/deer-...court-case.html

 

[Frostillicus]

How does it make one a hypocrite to be carnivorous but not a hunter?

I'm willing to let you off the hook if you're willing to admit that eating store bought meat is just passing the killing of innocent, helpless animals onto somebody else, but you are still responsible for their death.

Sure. It's a matter of convenience, not denial.

You're right. I left out the third possibility because I was feeling a little defensive. I wish all non-hunters could be as honest with themselves as you. PM me your address and I'll send you some tasty deer sticks.

Yum

 

[Cliff Clavin]

People who enjoy killing animals for fun typically progress to killing the highest order of animals.

really?

What Makes Serial Killers Tick? By Shirley Lynn Scott The TriadTorturing animals is a disturbing red flag. Animals are often seen as "practice" for killing humans. Ed Kemper buried the family cat alive, dug it up, and cut off its head. Dahmer was notoriousfor his animal cruelty, cutting off dogs heads and placing them on a stick behind his house.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Don't know how I missed this thread the first time around. I went deer hunting for the first time in my 43 years of life this year. Very first morning, first hour a 10 point buck was in my sights, and soon dead. I wondered if I'd feel remorse if I were to actually kill a deer, and at that moment I had my answer = Pure joy, no remorse. My adrenaline was flying even after only 2 hours of sleep and a blood alcohol level that would have been a decent batting percentage. As I look at the rack in my game room, and eat his yummy sausage and steaks, I get even more joy

 

[hooter311]

"Crush" fetishes?

WTH is wrong with people?

 

[Adebisi]

I used to not care for gutting the animals, but I now use a gutless method that works really well.

Can you shed some more light on this please? I'm going for my first hunt this year. Gutting the deer is what I am most nervous about, mainly because I'm afraid I'll screw it up and spoil the meat. TIA.

 

[S.K.A.]

I used to not care for gutting the animals, but I now use a gutless method that works really well.

Can you shed some more light on this please? I'm going for my first hunt this year. Gutting the deer is what I am most nervous about, mainly because I'm afraid I'll screw it up and spoil the meat. TIA.

Let me dig around and see if I can find something to PM you.ETA: PM sent. Good luck with the hunt!

 

[Smack Tripper]

did anyone find this vid yet?

 

[Al O'Pecia]

Deer's Revenge