Guys who are Shot: 2009 (1 Viewer)

[Smack Tripper]

I'll start with, Jim Thome.

And Hideki Matsui wants on this bandwagon too!

 

[cosjobs]

Thome may belong, but I am not convinced by his start. True- the .250 OBP is horrid, but the 2 HRs and 5 RBIs are what they have him in the lineup for. Not to mention he's popped 111 HRs with a .396 OBP over the last 3 years.

All he has to do is climb out of the dugout and swing the bat four times a night, 5-6 times a week. I think he may be able to do that successfully another couple of years.

He is old and you may be correct, but I would not bet against him.

 

[Eephus]

It's still early but Edgar Renteria is giving off the odor of burnt toast

 

[Finless]

David Ortiz is done.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Gary Sheffield

Can't catch up to a 91 mph fastball anymore.

 

[MAC_32]

It's still early but Edgar Renteria is giving off the odor of burnt toast

You're a year late.I'll add, Vlad.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

keep an eye on Carlos Guillen. Looks a little slow and banged up achilles already

 

[PatsWillWin]

David Ortiz is done.

:(Certainly doesn't look good. I think he has one extra base hit so far.

 

[cheese]

Gary SheffieldCan't catch up to a 91 mph fastball anymore.

Yes, he has to be a publicity stunt at this point. The sad part is, he used to have 1 of the quickest bats in the game. Now, no chance he bats .200 this year.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Hideki Matsui sure is looking like it.

 

[trogg78]

Jay Bruce

 

[Redwes25]

It's still early but Edgar Renteria is giving off the odor of burnt toast

You're a year late.I'll add, Vlad.

I hope Vlad isn't but he sure looks like ####.

 

[Wrigley]

D Lee............bat looks slow

Although he did hit his first HR yesterday.

 

[TitusIII]

D Lee............bat looks slowAlthough he did hit his first HR yesterday.

Agreed, but some would say it looked slow when he was first starting out in SD/FLA, and it may help him start to hit the ball to the opposite field(which he used to do as good as anyone in the game). Time will tell...

 

[Finless]

Hate to say it but Carlos Lee is on the decline

 

[MAC_32]

It's still early but Edgar Renteria is giving off the odor of burnt toast

You're a year late.I'll add, Vlad.

I hope Vlad isn't but he sure looks like ####.

My legs hurt watching him "run."

 

[Finless]

It's still early but Edgar Renteria is giving off the odor of burnt toast

You're a year late.I'll add, Vlad.

I hope Vlad isn't but he sure looks like ####.

My legs hurt watching him "run."

He runs like he's carrying a piano on his back.

 

[MrPhoenix]

Jamie Moyer = :deadbanana:

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

It's still early but Edgar Renteria is giving off the odor of burnt toast

You're a year late.I'll add, Vlad.

I hope Vlad isn't but he sure looks like ####.

My legs hurt watching him "run."

He runs like he's carrying a piano on his back.

I think he'll pop off a good 2-3 week stretch, at which point it's time to trade him.

 

[Man In The Box]

Might as well throw Damaso Marte onto this pile. God he sucks.

 

[cosjobs]

Zito and Wang are obvious choices

edit to add: They would be great as pitchers for the All-Star HR derby.

 

[Annyong]

Zito and Wang are obvious choicesedit to add: They would be great as pitchers for the All-Star HR derby.

Zito has been fried.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Zito and Wang are obvious choicesedit to add: They would be great as pitchers for the All-Star HR derby.

Wang's in his 20's and he's got a .750 win percentage over the past 2 1/2 seasons. I know I know, wins have become a meaningless stat, but you don't win at that rate by accident. What ever it is with him, he doesn't have lower gears and when he looks bad, he looks REALLY bad, as we've seen. May well be shot, but I'll go with the 2 1/2 year sample over the 2 game one.Zito on the other hand, he was shot in Oakland. That playoff game when he outdueled Johan was worth conservatively 35 million dollars to him(probably took him out of the 75 mil total value to 100 plus)

 

[Annyong]

Zito and Wang are obvious choicesedit to add: They would be great as pitchers for the All-Star HR derby.

Wang's in his 20's and he's got a .750 win percentage over the past 2 1/2 seasons. I know I know, wins have become a meaningless stat, but you don't win at that rate by accident. What ever it is with him, he doesn't have lower gears and when he looks bad, he looks REALLY bad, as we've seen. May well be shot, but I'll go with the 2 1/2 year sample over the 2 game one.Zito on the other hand, he was shot in Oakland. That playoff game when he outdueled Johan was worth conservatively 35 million dollars to him(probably took him out of the 75 mil total value to 100 plus)

06 was a bad season. Miraculously, he somehow kept his ERA under 4. This might be the year he goes into 1:1 territory.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

David Ortiz is done because baseball is now testing for steroids.

fixed

 

[Finless]

David Ortiz is done because baseball is now testing for steroids.

fixed

Yeah, he has shrunk a bunch

 

[Doctor Detroit]

David Ortiz is done because baseball is now testing for steroids.

fixed

Yeah, he has shrunk a bunch

Steroids stop you from eating chili dogs?

 

[Finless]

David Ortiz is done because baseball is now testing for steroids.

fixed

Yeah, he has shrunk a bunch

Steroids stop you from eating chili dogs?

I honestly don't think he was on the juice. His size never changed. I just think he's old and cat see or catch up with the ball. I may play the homer but I'm really not. I have 3 fantasy teams and I field Beckett and Buchholz on one team. That's all the Sox I have. #### I'm the one who put him on this list.

 

[Woogie Lee]

Hate to say it but Carlos Lee is on the decline

this

 

[Leroy Hoard]

keep an eye on Carlos Guillen. Looks a little slow and banged up achilles already

Yes, and they need to keep him @ DH to keep his legs in one piece or he will go on the DL for sure.

 

[Smack Tripper]

David Ortiz is done because baseball is now testing for steroids.

fixed

Yeah, he has shrunk a bunch

Steroids stop you from eating chili dogs?

I honestly don't think he was on the juice. His size never changed. I just think he's old and cat see or catch up with the ball. I may play the homer but I'm really not. I have 3 fantasy teams and I field Beckett and Buchholz on one team. That's all the Sox I have. #### I'm the one who put him on this list.

I sorta don't think he was either, and for his sake, with his public bombast, I hope he wasn't, because that seems to be the unparonable act of the roid age.That being said, he's got some of the tell-tale post roid symptoms of ligament and tendon damage and he did kind of go from being a zero to a hero overnight.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Not having the protection of Manny Ramirez anymore ain't helping Ortiz, either. Let's face it, he benefited greatly for years by having one of the best hitters of this generation hitting behind him. Why do you think Ortiz was the one player on the team last year who did NOT want to get rid of Ramirez?

 

[Finless]

Not having the protection of Manny Ramirez anymore ain't helping Ortiz, either. Let's face it, he benefited greatly for years by having one of the best hitters of this generation hitting behind him. Why do you think Ortiz was the one player on the team last year who did NOT want to get rid of Ramirez?

This, not the juice

 

[Nigel]

Not having the protection of Manny Ramirez anymore ain't helping Ortiz, either. Let's face it, he benefited greatly for years by having one of the best hitters of this generation hitting behind him. Why do you think Ortiz was the one player on the team last year who did NOT want to get rid of Ramirez?

It's a convenient excuse, but seems to me like they're challenging him more than ever. He just can't get it done.And the guy hitting 4th is crushing it - why would they pitch around Papi?

 

[thehornet]

Hate to say it but Carlos Lee is on the decline

this

NO.

 

[blackjack23]

Why cant it be a combination of No Manny, No Juice, and riddled with injuries

 

[Man In The Box]

Not having the protection of Manny Ramirez anymore ain't helping Ortiz, either. Let's face it, he benefited greatly for years by having one of the best hitters of this generation hitting behind him. Why do you think Ortiz was the one player on the team last year who did NOT want to get rid of Ramirez?

This, not the juice

Yeah OK

 

[Finless]

Not having the protection of Manny Ramirez anymore ain't helping Ortiz, either. Let's face it, he benefited greatly for years by having one of the best hitters of this generation hitting behind him. Why do you think Ortiz was the one player on the team last year who did NOT want to get rid of Ramirez?

This, not the juice

Yeah OK

So he bulked up some. His head looks the same. He's probably at 200 lbs in that picture which was take over a decade ago and now he comes in around 230. I don't see a big deal there. Show me a drastic change from one season to the next...not a decade apart.

 

[boubucarow]

Not having the protection of Manny Ramirez anymore ain't helping Ortiz, either. Let's face it, he benefited greatly for years by having one of the best hitters of this generation hitting behind him. Why do you think Ortiz was the one player on the team last year who did NOT want to get rid of Ramirez?

This, not the juice

The idea of protection in the order has been clearly refuted. Ortiz is a late bloomer slow power hitter and most of his kind fall quickly. His decline has nothing to do with Manny.

 

[Finless]

Not having the protection of Manny Ramirez anymore ain't helping Ortiz, either. Let's face it, he benefited greatly for years by having one of the best hitters of this generation hitting behind him. Why do you think Ortiz was the one player on the team last year who did NOT want to get rid of Ramirez?

This, not the juice

The idea of protection in the order has been clearly refuted. Ortiz is a late bloomer slow power hitter and most of his kind fall quickly. His decline has nothing to do with Manny.

That settles it.

 

[the moops]

Not having the protection of Manny Ramirez anymore ain't helping Ortiz, either. Let's face it, he benefited greatly for years by having one of the best hitters of this generation hitting behind him. Why do you think Ortiz was the one player on the team last year who did NOT want to get rid of Ramirez?

This, not the juice

The idea of protection in the order has been clearly refuted. Ortiz is a late bloomer slow power hitter and most of his kind fall quickly. His decline has nothing to do with Manny.

You are correct. The whole lineup protection thing is garbage.Through mid summer, last year (Aug 08)With Manny - 677 games, .988 OPSWithout Manny - 101 games, 1.065 OPS

 

[Woogie Lee]

Hate to say it but Carlos Lee is on the decline

this

NO.

0-3 tonight and now down to .194.

 

[the moops]

Hate to say it but Carlos Lee is on the decline

this

NO.

0-3 tonight and now down to .194.

He's a career 260 hitter in March/April. He is always a slow starter.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Brandon Phillips

 

[Pat Patriot]

Not having the protection of Manny Ramirez anymore ain't helping Ortiz, either. Let's face it, he benefited greatly for years by having one of the best hitters of this generation hitting behind him. Why do you think Ortiz was the one player on the team last year who did NOT want to get rid of Ramirez?

It's a convenient excuse, but seems to me like they're challenging him more than ever. He just can't get it done.And the guy hitting 4th is crushing it - why would they pitch around Papi?

The problem with Ramirez not hitting behind him is in his head. He has made himself a mental case because of it.

 

[shuke]

Brandon Phillips

Shouldn't be hitting from the 4th spot. Period.

 

[Mel Kiper]

Chien-Ming Wang is quickly becoming the Byung-Hyun Kim of the later part of the decade.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Brandon Phillips

Shouldn't be hitting from the 4th spot. Period.

The hits should come, I'm more alarmed about the lack of steals. 9 bb and 4 singles and only one swipe. Is he dinged? Maybe he's a one year wonder.

 

[Bojang0301]

Chien-Ming Wang is quickly becoming the Byung-Hyun Kim of the later part of the decade.

Guy has been smoke and mirrors sense he came on the scene.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Brandon Phillips

Shouldn't be hitting from the 4th spot. Period.

The hits should come, I'm more alarmed about the lack of steals. 9 bb and 4 singles and only one swipe. Is he dinged? Maybe he's a one year wonder.