There is a thread on stat corrections every year, it gets old. They happen all the time.
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Hakeem Nicks scoring change (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Oh I hear ya, but this isn't your typical stat correction. That's all I'm saying.
The exact reason why you go with the Nfl's OFFICIAL stats. No arguing semantics, it's pretty cut and dry that way. The official NFL stats are going to show Nicks with 23 more yards receiving and Manning with 23 yards passing, there really isn't any debate on that.
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Footballguy
I remember this play and remember being happy that they accepted the PI. Figured this was their best option. Nicks was near the sideline, I wondered if he was close enough to possibly be out of bounds, but the PI made that moot (I think replay showed he was in bounds). But let's say it was close enough for the Rams to challenge it. The Rams only would if Coughlin turns down the penalty, but he didn't (as far as I know), taking away any possible recourse from the Rams. What if Nicks's foot was close to the sideline? Does the NFL make a ruling and then turn the play over. Something doesn't seem right here.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
What I find oddest about this change is that the ref ruled the pass incomplete. This is why the Giants took the penalty. Strange that the league would reverse the incomplete call on the field. IIRC Nicks fell forward about 3 more yards after he caught the ball. Had the ref ruled correctly that the pass was caught, the Giants would have had to ball about 3 yards more downfield and declined the penalty, but the ref ruled incomplete. Very strange to me.
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JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
I dont know why you come into threads that are clearly titled and complain. Especially when this thread happens every week for the past how ever many years?You did the same thing in the last weeks thread, notice no ones cares about your opinion on this matter and these threads will not stop.People just like to know, after all we are here to win fantasy games and gain knowledge. When a win is on the line, people care.'Reepicheep said:
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Footballguy
MFl allows you to have stat changes applied retroactively and automatically on Thursdays at 10AM.
Andrew74
Footballguy
If you watch the video, Nicks steps out on the 6 yard line. The ball is spotted on the 9.
This is incorrect. MFL has a checkbox to allow stat changes every Thursday at 10AM. We do correct stats in our league. You watch a game and the stats guy makes wrong calls all the time. The mistake here was by the referee in the call. The play is always taken if completed over PI.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
Just watched the video, very strange. Agree this isn't your run of the mill stat correction. I'm curious to know the whole story.
Chimp Magnet
Footballguy
Nope. Got cracked upside the head this week.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Actually, it never looks like the Giants were given an option to accept/decline. Coughlin never seemed to indicate anything one way or another and the camera was on him pretty much as soon as that play was over. Could it be as simple as that? It was ruled a catch w/a PI penalty, but the referee erroneously just rewarded the penalty without asking if it was accepted or not?
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nysportsfan
Footballguy
I know, what I am referencing is when the NFL releases stat changes. I thought it was Thursday, meaning leagues might want to considering waiting until then to determine final outcomes.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
ESPN seems to have updated automatically. Didn't change my outcome, but moved me one position in waiver priority.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
No watch the ref..it was ruled incomplete. THIS is why the penelty wasn't declined. As a poster mentioned earlier, Nicks went out of bounds on the 6 and the ball was spotted on the 9. Had this been ruled complete the refs would have easily spotted the ball on the 6 and ruled the penalty declined. That's what makes this so strange, the league is now ruling the catch complete afer it was ruled incomplete on the field.
Abraham
Footballguy
Exactly. I'm not trying to be difficult, but I don't see the difference. The whole of fantasy football is based on the statistics given and governed by the NFL. WHere is the uproar for FF players to start utilizing half-yard measurements on the field of play? The premise of our game is based on quantifiable statistics that come from the league office. The NFL didn't say that FF waivers need to start Monday morning any more then the NFL has ever suggested that games are final at midnight Tuesday. Stat changes are part of many sports. They are more common in the NFL. If your league doesn't have rules regarding Wed changes then I suggest implementing some as soon as possible. But whether or not this play seems "odd" or the change seems "incorrect" is immaterial. The NFL says it was a catch. Therefore, it's a catch.
Grand Poobah
Footballguy
A normal stat correction= Wrong player credited for sack, fumble or whatever nfl corrects a acual stat that happened.
Hicks play was ruled no catch on the field (right or wrong) Giants take penalty, first down no review, no catch.
Nothing going to change this correction,but what is wrong with talking about this odd correction?
Hicks play was ruled no catch on the field (right or wrong) Giants take penalty, first down no review, no catch.
Nothing going to change this correction,but what is wrong with talking about this odd correction?
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Jewell
Footballguy
I agree. I actually went from a two point loss to a tie with the Nicks "correction", but I don't feel good about it. I'd rather take the loss than have the NFL set precedent for this kind of correction.
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
now that people have posted the vid, the 2 options were:
PI, 1st and goal at the 9
or
catch, 1st and goal at the 6.
the next play was run at the 9 therefore the PI was accepted as there is no catch , 1st at the 9 option. this is another fubar by the nfl. btw, i started nicks and every pt helps.
PI, 1st and goal at the 9
or
catch, 1st and goal at the 6.
the next play was run at the 9 therefore the PI was accepted as there is no catch , 1st at the 9 option. this is another fubar by the nfl. btw, i started nicks and every pt helps.
That Youtube video doesn't tell the full story. While ESPN was showing the replay the referee made an announcement that the penalty was declined. The MNF announcing crew missed the correction.
Ball ended up getting spotted at the 9, not the 6 because the officials originally ruled the pass was incomplete so didn't keep track of where Nicks went out of bounds. Ball was spotted where the flag was thrown.
Ball ended up getting spotted at the 9, not the 6 because the officials originally ruled the pass was incomplete so didn't keep track of where Nicks went out of bounds. Ball was spotted where the flag was thrown.
Jewell
Footballguy
Exactly same scenario for I.
Stinkin Ref
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tough spot here as a commish...
we have always run waivers on Wednesday night to keep things simple and to make sure things are "taken care of" before all the Thursday games, etc....it has just been easier that way instead of Thursdays most weeks and then Wednesdays when there are Thursday games etc...
but now I may have to reconsider as my gut says our scores should be based on the final stats determined by the NFL....but my main concern is how this could affect the waiver process....I don't want to run waivers and then have to redo them after people see who other people take, etc.....
I am kind of confused after reading through all of these posts......
did NY accept the penalty or not at the time this happened...?
we have always run waivers on Wednesday night to keep things simple and to make sure things are "taken care of" before all the Thursday games, etc....it has just been easier that way instead of Thursdays most weeks and then Wednesdays when there are Thursday games etc...
but now I may have to reconsider as my gut says our scores should be based on the final stats determined by the NFL....but my main concern is how this could affect the waiver process....I don't want to run waivers and then have to redo them after people see who other people take, etc.....
I am kind of confused after reading through all of these posts......
did NY accept the penalty or not at the time this happened...?
sdp1226
Footballguy
I have notice a new feature on Yahoo where it gives a link on the League home page, to all of the stat corrections to take effect on Thursay AM.
This effected a match up in my Yahoo $ league.
The team who owns Nicks initially lost by .36 points but was then credited 2.8 pts this morning to take him from 0-2 to 1-1.
This effected a match up in my Yahoo $ league.
The team who owns Nicks initially lost by .36 points but was then credited 2.8 pts this morning to take him from 0-2 to 1-1.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
CBS Sportsline has awarded the catch finally. Went from 1-1 to 2-0. Big money league. 
the next level
Footballguy
You're right, the whole thing is strange. The NFL undoubtedly understands by now that these kinds of decisions will overturn thousands of fantasy results across the nation. And given the size and impact of fantasy football on the interest in the real game it's surprising that they even make such a call. Is it really worth that in this particular case? What exactly did this stat correction accomplish? Furthermore, why does the NFL need a couple of days after the fact to make these calls? For every one of you who is celebrating a reversal of fortune in the win-loss column there is someone else who is disappointed in the corrections and perhaps even disgruntled about the structures of fantasy football itself if they are encountering this "feature" for the first time. My own league has a hard "stats are final on Tuesday morning" rule both to avoid these messes and to place emphasis on the enjoyment derived from the real-time component of playing this game. We find it absurd to go changing the outcome of a fantasy game days after the fact - just as the NFL would never do such a thing to one of their games. But most leagues nonetheless do incorporate stat changes. I personally believe that to be primarily due to it being the default setting for new leagues. There is not a right or wrong answer as to whether or not to incorporate stat corrections, rather it is completely dependent on individual leagues to decide which convention to favor. Unfortunately, too many leagues confront for the first time in mid-season before they've had an open discussion about which way to go. In other words, just imagine the mayhem this is causing right now in untold numbers of leagues whose journeyman Commissioners aren't exactly Shark Pool regulars.
well, I dont know what to say. I initially lost by 1.1 points in my league.
I knew about the play but said nothing because we go based on official stats. The NFL changed the official stats and now I win by about 2 points.
I still have nothing to say. I was willing to accept it either way so long as what is showing matches the official stats.
The fact that I now benefit from the call is irrelevant. The official stats are the official stats. Naturally it's not a win I'll go out bragging about... but it is what it is.
I knew about the play but said nothing because we go based on official stats. The NFL changed the official stats and now I win by about 2 points.
I still have nothing to say. I was willing to accept it either way so long as what is showing matches the official stats.
The fact that I now benefit from the call is irrelevant. The official stats are the official stats. Naturally it's not a win I'll go out bragging about... but it is what it is.
Grand Poobah
Footballguy
Thanks, I just needed a good reason for the change.Took me from a win to a tie. Could have been worse.'chrish said:
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
so....the pass was ruled incomplete.....penalty flag thrown for interference.....then somehow the pass was ruled complete so NYG declined the penalty......how exactly did the pass end up being ruled complete after being ruled incomplete without a review.....?....did another official come in and overrule the incomplete call...?'chrish said:
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