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Harvin to Bills/ Formerly the Harvin to Hawks & Jets (1 Viewer)
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Why in the world would he not take a visit to NE? Crazy if he doesn't. The Bills have crap at QB and honestly, there isn't a whole lot of WR competition in NE. Edelman is a great slot guy, but there is no one else with his pure play-making skills. It is hard to remember with all the injuries and the trade last year, but watching him in Seattle's SB win reminded me of just how much better he is with the ball in his hands than most of the NFL skilled players. Get him with Brady and have some fun. Imagine what Percy could do with a lighter ball to carry around, he'd be even faster.
We're not talking about Randy Moss and Julio Jones. These are three guys who are all glorified dumpoff targets who want to work in space. Cassel or any competent backup QB in the league can hand the ball off all day, dump it to short guys 20 times a game, and cheer on the defense.Obviouly, EJ Manuel is out of the question, but not too many other NFL or college QB's would be.
ETA: And Cassel is going to curb stomp EJ in open competition, anyway. He's genuinely mediocre, which should be more than good enough to shepherd this team into the postseason.
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rockaction
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
He has that potential, but like 90+% of his work was 15 and in. Which you can argue is about the QB's, too, but I'd counter with, "That's where talented 6-foot WR's with crazy speed are going to do their damage, unless you've got a Luck or Marino slinging it."
Looking it up, Watkins was a little more active in the 21-30 yards downfield range than I remembered, with 4 catches. Only three deeper than that on the year, tho.
Still not sure he + McCoy don't render Harvin's skillset redundantly useless, though I guess it's possible he and Rex just clicked, in which case I guess he's unique enough he could have value.
Still not sure he + McCoy don't render Harvin's skillset redundantly useless, though I guess it's possible he and Rex just clicked, in which case I guess he's unique enough he could have value.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@MMehtaNYDN: Rex Ryan reunited with Percy Harvin. Bills agree to terms on a 1-year deal with Harvin, per @AdamSchefter #nyj http://t.co/GBFSdF5g2U
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Who is quarterbacking there? Manuel? I sure hope so. I scooped him late last season as a throwin.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
A one year deal was the best he could do?
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I dislike this spot for Harvin. There won't be enough targets for Harvin to be useful. Thankfully it is a 1 year deal, but this is not a good fit.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Ceiling is 900 receiving yards and that would be his 2nd best season of 7 years in the league. Singing a one year deal would have made much more sense going to a place where you could put up numbers and get that nice contract alas Jeremy Maclin.
Instead he's joining Nicks, and Britt as very promising prospects that failed to capitalize.
Instead he's joining Nicks, and Britt as very promising prospects that failed to capitalize.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
So true. What a stupid freaking move. If you are doing a one year deal, go to the place where you can put up the numbers that get you a great contract next year. Don't go to a place with no QB. How many WRs have been successful for Rex Ryan to the point where they got big deals with the Jets or leaving the Jets?
To think that I kept Harvin in two leagues last year for really late picks based on the SB performance. What a waste, although luckily he was a good luck charm and I won one and should have won the other if not for my own dumb lineup decision. Thanks Percy for making the rest of my teams better. Adios and have fun trying to put up numbers that get you more than the league minimum in 2016.
jurb26
Footballguy
Maybe this was his best option?
To think that I kept Harvin in two leagues last year for really late picks based on the SB performance. What a waste, although luckily he was a good luck charm and I won one and should have won the other if not for my own dumb lineup decision. Thanks Percy for making the rest of my teams better. Adios and have fun trying to put up numbers that get you more than the league minimum in 2016.
How so? It was his first visit. I guess his agent and he would know if he didn't get any other interest, but call me crazy that I can't imagine no one else being interested. So, assuming he could have had other visits, why is this location good for getting his next contract? I sure can't see anything that would make me think this is even remotely close to his best option.Maybe this was his best option?
To think that I kept Harvin in two leagues last year for really late picks based on the SB performance. What a waste, although luckily he was a good luck charm and I won one and should have won the other if not for my own dumb lineup decision. Thanks Percy for making the rest of my teams better. Adios and have fun trying to put up numbers that get you more than the league minimum in 2016.
lod01
Footballguy
No one is signing this clown to more than a 1 year deal. There's a good chance that this is his last chance.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Nicks has a title and was a vital part of said title. Maybe he wasn't fantasy football gold, but he was everything the Giants needed, down to the end-of-the-half hail mary against the Pack.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
umm, so you're agreeing with bbt that nicks is not a consistently good receiver who has talent and showed said talent in a few standout games just like britt and harvin. it almost sounds like u're disagreeing but maybe not.
buck naked
Footballguy
Good thing we are keeping this one, grossly overlong thread going
massraider
Footballguy
Great to go back and read. 4 teams in two years, traded for three picks two years ago, including a #1, now on a 1 year deal in BUF.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Deal not done: 49ers 'making p
NBC Washington's Dianna Marie Russini reports Percy Harvin has yet to sign with the Bills, and the 49ers "could be making a play" for him.
What have we learned this week? Don't consider anything official until the team announces it. Russini isn't suggesting the deal with the Bills won't get done, but the point is that it's not yet been signed and Harvin may still be considering his options. Maybe he's having second thoughts on tying himself to Matt Cassel.
Source: Dianna Marie Russini on Twitter
Mar 13 - 5:42 PM
NBC Washington's Dianna Marie Russini reports Percy Harvin has yet to sign with the Bills, and the 49ers "could be making a play" for him.
What have we learned this week? Don't consider anything official until the team announces it. Russini isn't suggesting the deal with the Bills won't get done, but the point is that it's not yet been signed and Harvin may still be considering his options. Maybe he's having second thoughts on tying himself to Matt Cassel.
Source: Dianna Marie Russini on Twitter
Mar 13 - 5:42 PM
massraider
Footballguy
That Diani Stromboli Fettucine whatsamattfayou lady has pretty good info.
Careful, there's some dolts around here that would make the argument that his career died in Seattle...
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This is very old and has since been retracted by Russini, why post it now?identikit said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I dont think he is over-rated at all.
Unfortunately, he is just never healthy. If you factor that in then I suppose I agree with you, but I dont think his game is over-rated at all
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't find the Buf move as bad as most people apparently. Harvin isn't a WR1. He needs to go to a team with a WR1 and BUF has that in Watkins. He would benefit from a coach who will creatively use him and leverage his unusual skill set. I'm not sure if Rex is that guy but he's pretty damn crazy so why not?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
While I agree that this is a horrible spot for his fantasy "value" (regarding trade value and ADP), I don't think the actual point he will score will be all that different than had he landed in a better perceived situation.
He was the #1 WR more than halfway through a season at one point with Ponder. Granted it was a few years/injuries ago, but he still looks quick and fast, and he catches a lot of balls close to the LOS, which is what bad QBs look for.
He was the #1 WR more than halfway through a season at one point with Ponder. Granted it was a few years/injuries ago, but he still looks quick and fast, and he catches a lot of balls close to the LOS, which is what bad QBs look for.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
perceived value is the biggest exploit in fantasy. perceived value is how paper champions in march and april are picking early in the next years draft.
harvins perceived value took a hit in buffalo just like clays will. in actual value can harvins really even drop. he was not being used to his full potential at either previous locations in ny and sea. the hype of popular opinions drives so many to also share that opinion but how can it get any lower then it was.
i dont believe a player going to a worse team makes that player bad in fantasy just because. i believe good players make other players better on the field, locker room stuff not withstanding. you get a lot of good players you do better. buffalo has watkins woods harvin clay and mccoy. whats not to like? cassel? when cassel had good players around him he did well he has more good players around him again. nfl teams keep seeing something in cassel so maybe bills think he needs talent to be a decent qb, not great but decent.
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VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
not sure much has changed for Harvin or that it ever really will no matter where he lands......he is a good to great best ball fantasy WR but his value really decreases in leagues where you have to decide to start him or not.....it's not like he will ever be a plug and play guy.....nice bye week filler in most leagues making him a solid WR4..... and he could get hot for awhile making him boderline startable each week......but the key is if sexy rexy shows he is going to give him a few carries every game and they design some plays each week trying to get him the ball in space or close to the line of scrimmage and see if he can house it (bubble screens, etc.) he can be the kind of player that produces startable fantasy stats on limited touches....so to me it's all in the gameplan/usage.... and as far as I am concerned he is off to a pretty good start with having the last coach he played for moving to another team and wanting to bring him on board.....
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cstu
Footballguy
Or Cassel is in for a huge year!
I'm joking but Cassel did well the year he had Moss, Welker, Ben Watson, Kevin Faulk and Sammy Morris.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
goes along with what I said earlier if his weapons are better he will be better. he did well one year in KC throwing 27 tds and 7 ints that was the year bowe had his best year.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I think there's some truth here. I don't think that Cassel is the type of QB to elevate the players around him. But every guy the Bills have added has been met with: "yeah, but look at the QB and the coach." And that's fair to a point, but it's also true that Rex has never had anywhere remotely close to this much offensive talent and Cassel had one year playing with some great talent and had a really nice year.
Where the disconnect might end up being, is that the team could have pretty good success thanks to all the weapons and ability to stress a defense with different looks and matchups, but individual players end up with merely good stats thanks to the ball being shared amongst a number of options.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Dwayne Bowe had 1162 yards and 15 TDs with Cassel under center. Jamaal Charles had almost 2000 total yards and 8 TDs with Cassel.
Randy Moss had 1000 yards and 11 TDs, Welker had 1165 yards. Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk combined for 1200 rushing yards at 4.7 and 6.1 yards per carry.
Those are hardly decoys or stacked lines.
