Has the NFL ever had an NBA-style salary dump trade? (3 Viewers)

[Warrior]

One other problem with the NBA analogy, is that non-lottery picks in the NBA aren't that valuable. NBA teams are more than willing to trade away a late 1st round pick to make a bad salary go away. I don't think that would fly in the NFL, especially with the new CBA's rookie wage scale.

If the Jets were to trade Sanchez along with their 1st round pick, they'd effectively be selling that pick for 8.25 million in cap space. Given that they ought to be rebuilding anyway, I suspect the Jets would rather keep the pick and pay Sanchez for another year than lose the pick for cap relief.

A 1st would obviously be too much, but what about a later pick? He's still a very good backup QB, which is worth something to a team. Let's say he's really worth $3.25M as a backup, that leaves $5M left for a team to justify overpaying him. Looking at the salaries for rookies last year, $5M is about what the Rams are paying Janoris Jenkins (the #38 pick) over 4 years. I think getting a rookie for 4 years for $5M is worth more than $5M in cap space so even a 2nd would be too much.

A better way to look at it would be what free agents cost, for example Mario Manningham signed a 2 year, $7.4M deal with the 49ers. Figure out what draft pick would Manningham have been worth if he was traded by the Giants with two years left on his contract and you have roughly what $5M in cap space is worth. My guess would be a middle round pick, say 4th or 5th.

Like you said the Jets are rebuilding and taking the cap hit is less important than keeping the draft picks. However, if a team was a contender and facing this situation it might be beneficial to make the deal.

I was going to make the "who could you have for that money" comparison before, though was looking at the overall $8m it would cost. That is around the average annual salary of the contracts recently signed by Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Antonio Brown and Matt Flynn.

Just was thinking of this guy Not sure if the contract could work

Make any sense to deal say

Sanchez/3rd

for

Flynn

?

Sanchez goes to back up Wilson with old coach Pete Carroll

They can cut him after 1 year or restructure?

Seattle gets a 3rd

Flynn gets a shot at a starting gig?

That make any sense?

What can they get for Flynn from another team?Could they do better than a 3rd plus losing $8m in salary cap?

You mean a 3rd plus Sanchez plus losing $8m in cap?I doubt they'd get more for him. Flynn was bad enough that they didn't even give him a single game to prove himself before handing the team over to an unproven rookie. Flynn is garbage...slightly better garbage than Sanchez I guess. The Jets would probably be happy to have him though.

 

[cstu]

Remember, it's the Jets, and unless they found someone who knew how to use this new found cap space wisely they'd be right back in the same situation. Just hope that Braylon Edwards doesn't have a big game to end the year, they'll be looking to hand him an extension. The NBA is an entire different monster where one player can make/break a franchise and teams start clearing in advance for expected free-agent classes. Really seems to backfire more often than not

We're getting there in the NFL with these guaranteed contracts. When Andre Johnson signed his $48M guaranteed deal I thought the Texans were putting themselves in a very risky position if he were to suffer a serious injury. He still has $30M guaranteed left on the deal.

 

[cstu]

One other problem with the NBA analogy, is that non-lottery picks in the NBA aren't that valuable. NBA teams are more than willing to trade away a late 1st round pick to make a bad salary go away. I don't think that would fly in the NFL, especially with the new CBA's rookie wage scale.

If the Jets were to trade Sanchez along with their 1st round pick, they'd effectively be selling that pick for 8.25 million in cap space. Given that they ought to be rebuilding anyway, I suspect the Jets would rather keep the pick and pay Sanchez for another year than lose the pick for cap relief.

A 1st would obviously be too much, but what about a later pick? He's still a very good backup QB, which is worth something to a team. Let's say he's really worth $3.25M as a backup, that leaves $5M left for a team to justify overpaying him. Looking at the salaries for rookies last year, $5M is about what the Rams are paying Janoris Jenkins (the #38 pick) over 4 years. I think getting a rookie for 4 years for $5M is worth more than $5M in cap space so even a 2nd would be too much.

A better way to look at it would be what free agents cost, for example Mario Manningham signed a 2 year, $7.4M deal with the 49ers. Figure out what draft pick would Manningham have been worth if he was traded by the Giants with two years left on his contract and you have roughly what $5M in cap space is worth. My guess would be a middle round pick, say 4th or 5th.

Like you said the Jets are rebuilding and taking the cap hit is less important than keeping the draft picks. However, if a team was a contender and facing this situation it might be beneficial to make the deal.

I was going to make the "who could you have for that money" comparison before, though was looking at the overall $8m it would cost. That is around the average annual salary of the contracts recently signed by Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Antonio Brown and Matt Flynn.

Just was thinking of this guy Not sure if the contract could work

Make any sense to deal say

Sanchez/3rd

for

Flynn

?

Sanchez goes to back up Wilson with old coach Pete Carroll

They can cut him after 1 year or restructure?

Seattle gets a 3rd

Flynn gets a shot at a starting gig?

That make any sense?

What can they get for Flynn from another team?Could they do better than a 3rd plus losing $8m in salary cap?

You mean a 3rd plus Sanchez plus losing $8m in cap?I doubt they'd get more for him. Flynn was bad enough that they didn't even give him a single game to prove himself before handing the team over to an unproven rookie. Flynn is garbage...slightly better garbage than Sanchez I guess. The Jets would probably be happy to have him though.

The Jets would only be saving $3M by making that deal, that's not worth a 3rd.

 

[BoltBacker]

Just a completely different salary cap system. All NBA contracts are pretty much guaranteed which makes a significant difference, not to mention there needs to be a similar dollar amount going to and from the clubs.

Not to mention the NBA has a soft cap which seems to me defeats the purpose of a cap in the first place. Only the richest teams are willing to pay the heavy penalty for going over the cap.

the soft cap restricts how much money teams are able to shell out to free agents. a team is not allowed simply pay over the cap to sign a free agent.the soft cap does give some big market teams the advantage of trading for high priced players, or going over the cap to sign their own players and suffering the luxury tax.

Yeah, that's what this thread is about. Trades.