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Williams: Offenses Have Uncovered the Cover-2

Defense Vulnerable, Redskins Coach Says

By Howard Bryant

Washington Post Staff Writer

Friday, December 22, 2006; E03

Either because of his own curiosity as a defensive coach or because for so much of this season it has been the central trouble spot for his defense, Gregg Williams has been forced to focus on the center of the football field.

Williams, the Washington Redskins' assistant head coach-defense, isn't exactly sure of it, but he believes the high number of big plays executed in the middle of the field, between the linebackers and safeties, may represent an important but disturbing trend: After years of confused quarterbacks being forced into mistakes, offenses may have caught up to and figured out vulnerabilities in the cover-2 zone defense, and its Tampa-2 variation, made popular by Tampa Bay defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin.

The result is that Williams is faced with potentially reinventing portions of his defense, since a good deal of his philosophy relies on aspects of the cover-2 and Tampa-2 defenses.

In the offseason, Williams said, he will study defenses around the league to try to determine if offenses have indeed found the trick to beating the cover-2, a zone defense designed to take away deep passes by having the safeties split the deep part of the field.

"Those are things we're going to have to address," Williams said. "That will be one of our projects in the offseason."

It may well be one reason why Williams's defense has struggled. Washington is 30th in giving up pass plays of 20 yards or more, and 29th in giving up pass plays of 40 yards or more.

The idea of the cover-2 is to force the quarterback to settle for short-yardage passes in the hopes of goading him into mistakes. Should a quarterback want to throw down the sidelines, he would have to contend with a cornerback who is covering the short zone, and the safeties, who are deep. Traditionally, throwing to the sidelines against the cover-2 is too risky.

Correcting Tampa-2 and cover-2 vulnerabilities are especially important to a Williams-style defense, for he asks more of his defensive backs in run support than most defensive coaches. The Redskins' safeties are vulnerable because Williams demands that safeties and cornerbacks tackle. In turn, offenses have attempted to draw in the safeties with play-action fakes. Once the safety takes a few steps in to help with the run, the quarterback throws deep down the middle into the exposed area.

One remedy is for the defensive backs -- in five- and six-defensive back formations -- to jam the receiver and slow his progress downfield, giving the middle linebacker time to cover the slot (inside) receiver.

"You need to work with other defenders as far as getting jams. That makes a big difference," middle linebacker Lemar Marshall said. "If you're going to let someone just run free, that's going to make it difficult for the Mike [middle linebacker] and the safety. Everybody has to work together. If you get that jam at the line, it takes a lot more pressure off of the Mike. But you need to find ways to close that middle."

But, as defenses have found out this year, the one vulnerability in the cover-2 is the deep middle, where the safeties are asked to cover a great deal of ground. The middle is especially vulnerable in the Tampa-2 variation because it asks the "Mike backer" to line up against and cover a slot receiver on deep routes.

"There was a time when cover-2 was your safety net," Redskins safety Vernon Fox said. "You knew where the weakness of the defense was, but because of the innovativeness of the defense with a linebacker covering the middle of the field, it was difficult for teams to find that opening. Right now, it looks like teams are able to find those gaps."

The center of the field has been where the Redskins have given up some of their biggest plays, plays Williams would care to forget. Twice in a 36-22 loss Oct. 22 at Indianapolis, tight end Dallas Clark and wide receiver Reggie Wayne beat the Redskins in the middle for big gains. Wayne's was a backbreaking, 51-yard touchdown pass.

In Week 3 at Houston, Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson lined up in the slot and caught a 53-yard pass that set up a touchdown.

In the Redskins' 22-19 win Nov. 5 against Dallas, Cowboys tight end Jason Witten caught a 28-yard pass in the seam that set up a possible game-winning field goal. The kick was blocked, and the Redskins went on to win in bizarre fashion.

For much of the season, the Redskins were first in the league in big plays allowed, but in recent weeks, Williams said, he has noticed that the Redskins are not the only ones vulnerable in the middle of the field, leading him to wonder if offenses may have found a new move. Middle linebacker Khary Campbell watches a fair amount of game film and sees the same thing. In studying game film of the St. Louis Rams for this Sunday's game, he noticed the Rams attempting to exploit Chicago middle linebacker Brian Urlacher in coverage.

"That middle is now the spot they're looking for," Campbell said. "You have to be able to disguise it a little more and jam receivers better. Otherwise, that is the big hole."

 
I know that in the grand football scheme of things I am a simpleton, but I don't see what is revolutionary here. Cover 2 has worked when the athletes are there to cover the ground and are aware enough to not react to fakes. I have been watching and hearing about the slot or tight end finding the soft spot behind the MLB and between the safeties for years now. The holes in the zone have been known and if the awareness or athletic ability is not there, the holes will be taken advantage more repeatedly.

 
There is no "figuring" it out... the Redskins didn't have the personnel to coherently run the unit. Having their top corner injured for the first half of the year left a gaping hole where defenses constantly exploited. Not to mention their other injuries....

Tampa's decline was for similar reasons.

The author of this article is an idiot, and this is fluff.

The T2D is easy to figure out... it's a very simple defense. The problem is that when executed well, it's probably the most effective at forcing turnovers and keeping opponents out of the endzone.

The only real weakness of the defense is that the smaller, speedier guys don't match up well with big, fast TEs.. which are all the rage of late. I guess that's what he means.. but still.

Reading that article pissed me off. There are a lot of people who don't know anything about the sport they profess to love.

 
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The Redskins problem is twofold.

First, there's no pass rush. You can play all the Cover-2 you like, Tampa-2 variation or not, but if you're not generating a pass rush the holes in every zone coverage scheme can be exploited. You better have a solid front four and ends Philip Daniels, Renaldo Wynn and Andre Carter aren't cutting it.

Second, there isn't an above-average cover guy in the middle of the field. While Sean Taylor has his moments, he's more interested in the big hit than angles and positioning. Lemar Marshall, Warrick Holdman, and the SS du jour are below average in coverage. If you can't cover the short and intermediate zones and the soft spots in the deep secondary, there are way too many options for the offense to exploit.

I don't think this article is poor at all -- for the audience it's written for. There's a lot of solid basic information in there. Although I agree with MLB to the extent that the author made a couple of fluff conclusions. I seriously doubt that Williams will have to study offseason tape to learn what offenses are doing to beat his scheme. I'm sure it's painfully clear to him already.

There are plenty of exploitable weaknesses in this defensive scheme. Having enough success running the ball to bring the safeties up with play action was mentioned in the article. Flooding one side of the field with multi-level patterns to force the safety to make a decision is another common method. And anyone who watched the Colts-Bengals game this week saw Manning check down against a doughboy soft Cover-2 to the tune of a 23-27 completion-attempt day.

All teams are going to struggle with bigger, athletic TEs -- it's not just a Cover-2 scheme that has trouble with those guys. In fact, if you've got a decent MLB/WLB and SS to squeeze the right zones, that kind of scheme could be successful against those guys. If you go back and look at Antonio Gates' last three seasons of stat lines, DEN, IND, and TB have had more success against him than most other teams.

The MLB better be good in a Tampa-2 scheme. I don't doubt that teams like the Rams are looking to exploit guys like Urlacher who aren't studs in coverage. Drop too far and you're vulnerable to short slants and circle routes for 6-7 yards every play. Drop too shallow with Chris Harris behind you and Torry Holt is gone on a skinny post route. The Redskins can expect that to happen to them with Marshall and Fox as well -- no matter how solid the zone coverage skills of the corners are.

 
I posted this without comment to generate some discussion.

First of all, as a Redskins fan this article is disingenuous to the extent that it blames their defensive woes on a Cover-2 set that they rarely run. Of course they don't run it well - they're not a Cover-2 defense.

Second, I think we're in a golden age of receiving TE's. I can't think of a time when there have been more athletic TE's who are fast, good route runners and who can compete for the ball in the air and come down with receptions - even the early to mid-80's with Winslow the Elder, Christenson, Newsome, et al. Some of them are even athletic with the ball in their hands. There's probably about 15 of them in the league, and they're not all necessarily stars but they're a challenge to defenses all the same. Examples range from the recognized studs like Gates, Heap, Winslow and Gonzo to Clark, Cooley, LJ Smith and some others.

True, you have some pretty athletic defensive players now too at positions that didn't formerly have that much athleticism associated with it (e.g. Urlacher), but this added dimension has changed the game.

 
No. I think more teams are using it, but don't have the personnel required to be a good defense.

 
It's never a matter of figuring out the offense/defense..it's more a matter of whether you have the personel to execute the gameplan.

The 46 defense is a pretty awesome defense to implement. However you need very strong DT, a hard hitting Safety, great MLB...that's one of the reasons the Raqvens are so good on defense. They have the personel to do it, and if IIRC the past couple of seasons their defense had slipped a bit with the abscense of a quality DT to free up Ray lewis.

On the flipside their have been QBs that were able to take a blowtorch to some very good 46 defenses...Marino comes to mind.

So has the cover-2 ben figured out? Long time ago but you have to have the right guys to exploit it.

 
I don't think this article is poor at all -- for the audience it's written for. There's a lot of solid basic information in there. Although I agree with MLB to the extent that the author made a couple of fluff conclusions. I seriously doubt that Williams will have to study offseason tape to learn what offenses are doing to beat his scheme. I'm sure it's painfully clear to him already.
I seriously doubt that. Williams ran the 46 defense when he was the coach of the Bills too. They routinely got burned on deep plays. If he hasn't figured it out at this point, he never will.And as others have said, I don't understand what the Cover 2 has to do with the Redskins. They don't really run the Cover 2. And the weakness of the Cover 2 has always been the middle of the field. If you don't have LBers that can cover a speedy #3 WR going across the middle or a good TE, then you're in a lot of trouble.

 
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I don't think this article is poor at all -- for the audience it's written for. There's a lot of solid basic information in there. Although I agree with MLB to the extent that the author made a couple of fluff conclusions. I seriously doubt that Williams will have to study offseason tape to learn what offenses are doing to beat his scheme. I'm sure it's painfully clear to him already.
I seriously doubt that. Williams ran the 46 defense when he was the coach of the Bills too. They routinely got burned on deep plays. If he hasn't figured it out at this point, he never will.And as others have said, I don't understand what the Cover 2 has to do with the Redskins. They don't really run the Cover 2. And the weakness of the Cover 2 has always been the middle of the field. If you don't have LBers that can cover a speedy #3 WR going across the middle or a good TE, then you're in a lot of trouble.
As I'm sure you know, the secondary coverage in the 46 defense is much different that that of a Cover-2 call. All teams use varying amounts of Cover-2 and the article implies...The result is that Williams is faced with potentially reinventing portions of his defense, since a good deal of his philosophy relies on aspects of the cover-2 and Tampa-2 defenses.

...that the Skins use significant amounts of 2 deep coverage (and Tampa-2 variations) within the scheme.

Without pressure, the 46 defense is going to give up a bunch of big plays. The Ravens have given up plenty this season even with good pressure and decent corners. The Redskins had the league's strongest pass defense in terms of completion percentage against in 2005 and were tenth overall in pass yards allowed. They were also top ten in both categories in 2004. They're in the bottom half of the league in both of those stats this season. Yards per completed pass? Nearly 12 this season, and 10.59 in 2005 and 10.12 in 2004.

The difference? Probably a few things. Loss of Shawn Springs for most of the first half of the year, continued poor safety play, and a replacement level MLB are all contributing factors. But don't overlook the fact that the Skins have had only 17 sacks this season in comparison to 35 in 2005 and 40 in 2004.

It's been said elsewhere in the thread and I agree. Talent drives the success of scheme. Some gameplanning within a given scheme can hide a shaky player or two. But when you've got multiple deficiencies, no scheme can hide them all. The Redskins are weak at multiple crucial spots and have little depth. Some of the blame lies with Williams, but IMO, not all. Looks to me like he "figured it out" fairly well in 2004 and 2005.

BTW, the Bills defense in 2003 in Williams' last season -- top five passing defense and second overall defense with the third worst offense in the league. I didn't follow the Bills particularly closely in 2003, but it doesn't appear that the defense was the problem.

Of course, I'm a defense loving Bengals fan so I may have a flawed love of respected coordinators like Williams. :confused: But I don't think the brunt of the blame should be placed on Williams this year.

Good thread Redman.

 
I don't think this article is poor at all -- for the audience it's written for. There's a lot of solid basic information in there. Although I agree with MLB to the extent that the author made a couple of fluff conclusions. I seriously doubt that Williams will have to study offseason tape to learn what offenses are doing to beat his scheme. I'm sure it's painfully clear to him already.
I seriously doubt that. Williams ran the 46 defense when he was the coach of the Bills too. They routinely got burned on deep plays. If he hasn't figured it out at this point, he never will.And as others have said, I don't understand what the Cover 2 has to do with the Redskins. They don't really run the Cover 2. And the weakness of the Cover 2 has always been the middle of the field. If you don't have LBers that can cover a speedy #3 WR going across the middle or a good TE, then you're in a lot of trouble.
As I'm sure you know, the secondary coverage in the 46 defense is much different that that of a Cover-2 call. All teams use varying amounts of Cover-2 and the article implies...The result is that Williams is faced with potentially reinventing portions of his defense, since a good deal of his philosophy relies on aspects of the cover-2 and Tampa-2 defenses.

...that the Skins use significant amounts of 2 deep coverage (and Tampa-2 variations) within the scheme.

Without pressure, the 46 defense is going to give up a bunch of big plays. The Ravens have given up plenty this season even with good pressure and decent corners. The Redskins had the league's strongest pass defense in terms of completion percentage against in 2005 and were tenth overall in pass yards allowed. They were also top ten in both categories in 2004. They're in the bottom half of the league in both of those stats this season. Yards per completed pass? Nearly 12 this season, and 10.59 in 2005 and 10.12 in 2004.

The difference? Probably a few things. Loss of Shawn Springs for most of the first half of the year, continued poor safety play, and a replacement level MLB are all contributing factors. But don't overlook the fact that the Skins have had only 17 sacks this season in comparison to 35 in 2005 and 40 in 2004.

It's been said elsewhere in the thread and I agree. Talent drives the success of scheme. Some gameplanning within a given scheme can hide a shaky player or two. But when you've got multiple deficiencies, no scheme can hide them all. The Redskins are weak at multiple crucial spots and have little depth. Some of the blame lies with Williams, but IMO, not all. Looks to me like he "figured it out" fairly well in 2004 and 2005.

BTW, the Bills defense in 2003 in Williams' last season -- top five passing defense and second overall defense with the third worst offense in the league. I didn't follow the Bills particularly closely in 2003, but it doesn't appear that the defense was the problem.

Of course, I'm a defense loving Bengals fan so I may have a flawed love of respected coordinators like Williams. :P But I don't think the brunt of the blame should be placed on Williams this year.

Good thread Redman.
:blackdot: The 46 defense brings a safety up into the box to play a quasi-linebacker spot. By definition, it can not also be a Cover-2 defense since there's only 1 safety back. I haven't watched many Redskins games this year, so maybe Williams has just abandoned the 46 defense for the most part. But there's no way that he's running a Cover 2 in the 46 defense.

And yes, the Bills did have great defensive numbers under Williams, but they also gave up a lot of big plays. That doesn't mean that it wasn't a good defense, but it does mean that when the defense got beat, it often went for a TD.

The 46 defense just isn't a very good defense to use with your average defense. It's only going to be successful if you have tremendous talent in your front 7. I'm not sure that any team other than the Ravens really have the talent to really make the 46 defense work.

There's a reason that very few teams in the NFL uses the 46 defense, and it's not because it requires a genius DC.

 
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:P The 46 defense brings a safety up into the box to play a quasi-linebacker spot. By definition, it can not also be a Cover-2 defense since there's only 1 safety back. I haven't watched many Redskins games this year, so maybe Williams has just abandoned the 46 defense for the most part. But there's no way that he's running a Cover 2 in the 46 defense.And yes, the Bills did have great defensive numbers under Williams, but they also gave up a lot of big plays. That doesn't mean that it wasn't a good defense, but it does mean that when the defense got beat, it often went for a TD.The 46 defense just isn't a very good defense to use with your average defense. It's only going to be successful if you have tremendous talent in your front 7. I'm not sure that any team other than the Ravens really have the talent to really make the 46 defense work. There's a reason that only one team in the NFL uses the 46 defense, and it's not because Williams is such a genius.
:blackdot: :unsure: I agree with everything you said in this post. Didn't mean to be confusing. I was trying to point out that the 46 defense was as prone to big plays as a Cover-2 call and that Williams had apparently been using more Cover-2 than he had in the past according to the article (and less 46 as a result). And that I didn't think Williams was as relatively clueless as I thought you were implying based on his defenses' stats in whatever defensive call over the three seasons prior to this one. Rather, it's the players (as you've said) that make the coordinator look good.Redman could tell you better than I but I think the Redskins have probably had more 2-deep coverage calls than 46 calls earlier in the season with Springs out. In the game against the Panthers, they were routinely playing top and bottom coverage on Steve Smith. I had no idea, until reading the Post article, that Williams had been using the Tampa-2 "Drop the Mike down the pipe" concept at times as well.
 
That was a pretty useless article. Offenses haven't "figured out" the Cover-2 anymore than defenses have figured out the WCO. There's nothing to really figure out. Like this is a complex mathematical equation or something. It's f'n football. In the NFL if you have superior talent you will usually win. And if you don't, you will usually lose. It doesn't matter what scheme you run if you don't have good players. It's all about personnel and matchups.

 
Cover 2 in a 4-6 is a death sentence unless you have a certain safety that plays for the steelers. That guy is like the invisible man when QB's try to find him on the field.

 
I wonder how much the rules tightening regarding contact after five yards has helped Tight Ends and hurt the Cover 2?

If a TE running down the seam/deep middle is a vulnerability, I'd have to think not being able to get a really good jam on him hurts the scheme across the board.

 
Schemes seem to change as the athletic ability of players evolve and league philosophy changes moreso than anything else.

With the Belichick coaching tree rapidly expanding, I would expect more "Detroit" offenses in future seasons, which highlights the TE position. I suppose that could lead to future influx of TEs who are so punishing down the middle that defenses adjust away from the cover-2. But who knows.

 
:)

The 46 defense brings a safety up into the box to play a quasi-linebacker spot. By definition, it can not also be a Cover-2 defense since there's only 1 safety back. I haven't watched many Redskins games this year, so maybe Williams has just abandoned the 46 defense for the most part. But there's no way that he's running a Cover 2 in the 46 defense.

And yes, the Bills did have great defensive numbers under Williams, but they also gave up a lot of big plays. That doesn't mean that it wasn't a good defense, but it does mean that when the defense got beat, it often went for a TD.

The 46 defense just isn't a very good defense to use with your average defense. It's only going to be successful if you have tremendous talent in your front 7. I'm not sure that any team other than the Ravens really have the talent to really make the 46 defense work.

There's a reason that only one team in the NFL uses the 46 defense, and it's not because Williams is such a genius.
:popcorn: :D I agree with everything you said in this post.

Didn't mean to be confusing. I was trying to point out that the 46 defense was as prone to big plays as a Cover-2 call and that Williams had apparently been using more Cover-2 than he had in the past according to the article (and less 46 as a result). And that I didn't think Williams was as relatively clueless as I thought you were implying based on his defenses' stats in whatever defensive call over the three seasons prior to this one. Rather, it's the players (as you've said) that make the coordinator look good.

Redman could tell you better than I but I think the Redskins have probably had more 2-deep coverage calls than 46 calls earlier in the season with Springs out. In the game against the Panthers, they were routinely playing top and bottom coverage on Steve Smith. I had no idea, until reading the Post article, that Williams had been using the Tampa-2 "Drop the Mike down the pipe" concept at times as well.
There is no doubt that the 'Skins have played cover-2 more this year than in any other year that Williams has coached them, and it's been the direct consequence of their woes at SS (with the departure of Ryan Clark and his replacement with Archuleta, an all time great bungle :bag: ) and at CB (due to Springs' injuries, Carlos Rogers' poor play, and the lack of any depth there to step in and make plays). They've given up more 20, 30 and 40-yard pass plays than all but one team in the league IIRC, so the cover-2 was meant to address that - only in recent weeks have they improved to a level of respectability on defense, culminating in the stifling of the potent Saints offense last week. Archuleta was brought in to be the "46" or the SS who plays near the line of scrimmage and blitzes, but he's so awful in coverage, and they have so many other problems on defense - especially pass defense - that they couldn't afford first to use him as intended, and subsequently to even play him at all. They've actually replaced him with Vernon Fox, a street FA who they signed in September IIRC and who is actually playing at a pretty high level - sort of Ryan Clark II for them. Archuleta will be gone this coming offseason . . . and the cap hit will be truly breathtaking.

 
But, as defenses have found out this year, the one vulnerability in the cover-2 is the deep middle, where the safeties are asked to cover a great deal of ground. The middle is especially vulnerable in the Tampa-2 variation because it asks the "Mike backer" to line up against and cover a slot receiver on deep routes.
This has always been known. :popcorn:
 
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The 46 defense brings a safety up into the box to play a quasi-linebacker spot. By definition, it can not also be a Cover-2 defense since there's only 1 safety back. I haven't watched many Redskins games this year, so maybe Williams has just abandoned the 46 defense for the most part. But there's no way that he's running a Cover 2 in the 46 defense.

And yes, the Bills did have great defensive numbers under Williams, but they also gave up a lot of big plays. That doesn't mean that it wasn't a good defense, but it does mean that when the defense got beat, it often went for a TD.

The 46 defense just isn't a very good defense to use with your average defense. It's only going to be successful if you have tremendous talent in your front 7. I'm not sure that any team other than the Ravens really have the talent to really make the 46 defense work.

There's a reason that only one team in the NFL uses the 46 defense, and it's not because Williams is such a genius.
:popcorn: :D I agree with everything you said in this post.

Didn't mean to be confusing. I was trying to point out that the 46 defense was as prone to big plays as a Cover-2 call and that Williams had apparently been using more Cover-2 than he had in the past according to the article (and less 46 as a result). And that I didn't think Williams was as relatively clueless as I thought you were implying based on his defenses' stats in whatever defensive call over the three seasons prior to this one. Rather, it's the players (as you've said) that make the coordinator look good.

Redman could tell you better than I but I think the Redskins have probably had more 2-deep coverage calls than 46 calls earlier in the season with Springs out. In the game against the Panthers, they were routinely playing top and bottom coverage on Steve Smith. I had no idea, until reading the Post article, that Williams had been using the Tampa-2 "Drop the Mike down the pipe" concept at times as well.
There is no doubt that the 'Skins have played cover-2 more this year than in any other year that Williams has coached them, and it's been the direct consequence of their woes at SS (with the departure of Ryan Clark and his replacement with Archuleta, an all time great bungle :bag: ) and at CB (due to Springs' injuries, Carlos Rogers' poor play, and the lack of any depth there to step in and make plays). They've given up more 20, 30 and 40-yard pass plays than all but one team in the league IIRC, so the cover-2 was meant to address that - only in recent weeks have they improved to a level of respectability on defense, culminating in the stifling of the potent Saints offense last week. Archuleta was brought in to be the "46" or the SS who plays near the line of scrimmage and blitzes, but he's so awful in coverage, and they have so many other problems on defense - especially pass defense - that they couldn't afford first to use him as intended, and subsequently to even play him at all. They've actually replaced him with Vernon Fox, a street FA who they signed in September IIRC and who is actually playing at a pretty high level - sort of Ryan Clark II for them. Archuleta will be gone this coming offseason . . . and the cap hit will be truly breathtaking.
:bag: :D well said. The system would work if the talent was in place. Archuleta is terrrrrible. Rogers has stonehands, and Springs being out hurt. I couldn't believe what I saw this past Sunday in New Orleans. What is the cap hit on Awfuleta? It has to be big.

 
No. I think more teams are using it, but don't have the personnel required to be a good defense.
This is another problem. Used to be the Bucs were the only team using it, so they could pick off late-round players to fit their D, or waiver wire guys like Shelton Quarles that fit perfectly. Now Chicago, Minnesota, St Louis and a ton of other teams at least use it in their packages -- much tougher to find the personnel you need when you have other teams vying for it.
 
What is the cap hit on Awfuleta? It has to be big.
I haven't actually computed it - which I'll try to do shortly - but for some reason I have $5M stuck in my head. That may even be conservative. :rolleyes:
 
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There was a much better article that Redman or someone else posted about the Skins defensive problems earlier in the season. I cannot find it right now. Redman do you remember which one I am talking about?

In the article it was talking about how the safety and cornerbacks coaches were having seperate meetings and how Williams was using a lot of cover 2 but was playing the safeties close to the LOS for run support.

As far as the Tampa 2 D it actualy started in Minnesota with Kiffin and Dungy and then Dungy used this scheme to make the Bucs a good team for the 1st time ever and the only time since.. many Dungy disciples have now proliferated NFL coaching ranks bringing this system with them.

The Viking defense before Dungy and Kiffin left was a elite unit but quickly fell apart after his departure. Losing Millard Studwell Browner and Doleman also didn't help. But Dungy was keeping the defense respectable without those guys before he left. When Dungy and Kiffin left the defense totaly colapsed.

The system requires a lot of talented players on defense especialy on the defensive line because it will not often use blitzes to generate pressure on the Qb. It is not a defense that you can use lower investment on defensive players as Cappy suggests and expect to have a lot of success. Look at the Colts defense right now. It doesen't require man cover cornerbacks and it is more predicated on speed so some personel can be used that other defenses might not such as speed rushing defensive ends that sometimes can be found with lesser investment. But Tampas defense worked because of getting Rice from AZ and the drafting of Sapp and Brooks. The weak side Lber is ushualy more important to the scheme than the MLB.

 
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There was a much better article that Redman or someone else posted about the Skins defensive problems earlier in the season. I cannot find it right now. Redman do you remember which one I am talking about?
I can remember it but can't find it quickly at the moment, and I need to step away from the 'puter for a while. Probably the best compilation of season-long info on the 'Skins defense is in this thread though.
 

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