Have you (will you) alter your plans based on shootings/terror attacks (1 Viewer)

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I think people fantasize about being a hero, and secretly hope they find themselves in a "situation.

I'm guessing if the SHTF and you're in a movie theater or mall...and you're the good guy shooting it out with the bad guys and the cops come in and you're holding a gun they are going to kill you and ask questions later. At first you'll probably be linked with the bad guys too. And after your family, house, belongings, and financial records are investigated perhaps the true story will come out. But your lasting legacy will be that of the bad guy who shot up a movie theater because THE truth will be underreported.

No way. The cops will be able to tell I'm the good guy because of my obvious training. That and my massive Justice Boner.

 

[ATC1]

I think people fantasize about being a hero, and secretly hope they find themselves in a "situation.

I'm guessing if the SHTF and you're in a movie theater or mall...and you're the good guy shooting it out with the bad guys and the cops come in and you're holding a gun they are going to kill you and ask questions later. At first you'll probably be linked with the bad guys too. And after your family, house, belongings, and financial records are investigated perhaps the true story will come out. But your lasting legacy will be that of the bad guy who shot up a movie theater because THE truth will be underreported.

Ignoring the 1st part because that should not be the mindset at all.

To being shot by police, has not happened that I am aware of. But let's say the shooter spends time fireing at you instead of picking off people trying to get to the exit or allowing time for police to respond, how many lives do you think can be saved?

If only there was a place I can go to learn what to do in the event of an active shooter and what to do when police arrive on the scene.

 

[Thunderlips]

I think people fantasize about being a hero, and secretly hope they find themselves in a "situation.

I'm guessing if the SHTF and you're in a movie theater or mall...and you're the good guy shooting it out with the bad guys and the cops come in and you're holding a gun they are going to kill you and ask questions later. At first you'll probably be linked with the bad guys too. And after your family, house, belongings, and financial records are investigated perhaps the true story will come out. But your lasting legacy will be that of the bad guy who shot up a movie theater because THE truth will be underreported.

I think the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and good people. I think that concealed carry is a good thing and think an overwhelming majority of people who do so, do so in a responsible and muted manner.....

That being said, just as I believe that the publicity involved in these mass shooting attacks encourages others to do so.....I think the lure of being "THE HERO" will drive people who , IMO, don't have the head nor disposition to conceal/carry.

 

[Ignoramus]

I went to a huge mall here in Houston on Black Friday with my family from out of town. The thought of how it easy it would be to target and the possible carnage crossed my mind a couple of times. It didn't change my actions in any way, but the thought was there.

 

[John Bender]

I keep a spatchcocked turkey with me all times in hope I can win over the attackers with delicious food.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

We've traveled to Europe or Asia most of the last several summers and are hesitant to do so now.

If I ever had an inclination to go to Time Square for NYE (and even when I was younger I had no desire, would rather just go to bars/clubs/parties in NYC) I would be very hesitant to do so.

 

[siffoin]

I think people fantasize about being a hero, and secretly hope they find themselves in a "situation.

I'm guessing if the SHTF and you're in a movie theater or mall...and you're the good guy shooting it out with the bad guys and the cops come in and you're holding a gun they are going to kill you and ask questions later. At first you'll probably be linked with the bad guys too. And after your family, house, belongings, and financial records are investigated perhaps the true story will come out. But your lasting legacy will be that of the bad guy who shot up a movie theater because THE truth will be underreported.

Ignoring the 1st part because that should not be the mindset at all.

To being shot by police, has not happened that I am aware of. But let's say the shooter spends time fireing at you instead of picking off people trying to get to the exit or allowing time for police to respond, how many lives do you think can be saved?

If only there was a place I can go to learn what to do in the event of an active shooter and what to do when police arrive on the scene.

My assessment of the individuals open carrying at Smashburger or the golf course is that more lives would be lost in a crossfire situation with people scrambling for the exits. Maybe the dude at Smash was a good shot but if the golfers game was any indication of his marksmanship....he wouldn't be able to hit a tin can from 4 feet...much less a bad guy in a dark movie theater.

We already have cops overly-trained in military urban tactics. If I'm in this situation, I want to take my chances waiting on them. The cops in Idaho are looking for any opportunity to shoot people and ask questions later. I can promise you...if you are anywhere in Idaho holding a gun in a public place where a lot of people have been shot...the police will kill you instantly once on scene. Your locale may vary.

 

[ATC1]

I think people fantasize about being a hero, and secretly hope they find themselves in a "situation.

I'm guessing if the SHTF and you're in a movie theater or mall...and you're the good guy shooting it out with the bad guys and the cops come in and you're holding a gun they are going to kill you and ask questions later. At first you'll probably be linked with the bad guys too. And after your family, house, belongings, and financial records are investigated perhaps the true story will come out. But your lasting legacy will be that of the bad guy who shot up a movie theater because THE truth will be underreported.

Ignoring the 1st part because that should not be the mindset at all.

To being shot by police, has not happened that I am aware of. But let's say the shooter spends time fireing at you instead of picking off people trying to get to the exit or allowing time for police to respond, how many lives do you think can be saved?

If only there was a place I can go to learn what to do in the event of an active shooter and what to do when police arrive on the scene.

My assessment of the individuals open carrying at Smashburger or the golf course is that more lives would be lost in a crossfire situation with people scrambling for the exits. Maybe the dude at Smash was a good shot but if the golfers game was any indication of his marksmanship....he wouldn't be able to hit a tin can from 4 feet...much less a bad guy in a dark movie theater.

We already have cops overly-trained in military urban tactics. If I'm in this situation, I want to take my chances waiting on them. The cops in Idaho are looking for any opportunity to shoot people and ask questions later. I can promise you...if you are anywhere in Idaho holding a gun in a public place where a lot of people have been shot...the police will kill you instantly once on scene. Your locale may vary.

Open carry is dumb IMO. Defeats the purpose.

I doubt your views on cops in Idaho are correct. If you like your chances on waiting on them to respond my suggestion would be to duck and find cover and not run for the exit unless the shooter is not between you and the exit. My thinking is the shooter will look to pick people off heading for the exit.

 

[spreagle]

Open carry scares me more than terrorist attacks.

Have you considered running for high office as a Democrat, you'd be perfect for the position.

 

[FUBAR]

GunGuys: What sort of firearm would you recommend for defending me and my family against urban, falling ice?

nunchuks.

I think people fantasize about being a hero, and secretly hope they find themselves in a "situation.

I'm guessing if the SHTF and you're in a movie theater or mall...and you're the good guy shooting it out with the bad guys and the cops come in and you're holding a gun they are going to kill you and ask questions later. At first you'll probably be linked with the bad guys too. And after your family, house, belongings, and financial records are investigated perhaps the true story will come out. But your lasting legacy will be that of the bad guy who shot up a movie theater because THE truth will be underreported.

I think the overwhelming majority of gun owners are responsible and good people. I think that concealed carry is a good thing and think an overwhelming majority of people who do so, do so in a responsible and muted manner.....

That being said, just as I believe that the publicity involved in these mass shooting attacks encourages others to do so.....I think the lure of being "THE HERO" will drive people who , IMO, don't have the head nor disposition to conceal/carry.

and way too quick to respond inappropriately.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

How did you know I had plans?

 

[Johnny Rock]

I conceal carry and not just because I can. I always sit facing the exit at resturants and make a point to get familiar with my surroundings.

I used to avoid going to movies in the 1st weekend to avoid crowds and I can see avoiding them now as a "just in case". Movie theaters I feel the most vunurable in. I always notice where the exits are and can see a major problem if there happens to be a fire or active shooter.

What if the theater would not allow you to bring it in after a search

Our local theaters, (both Regal and Epic) have started searching bags when you come into the theater. They said for safety, basically looking for weapons. My wife asked "and if I refuse?" The guy told her they would politely ask her to leave her bag in the car. She said "and if I refuse that?", they told her they would regrettably refund her money and not permit her into the theater.

However, this isn't stopping people form conceal carrying. They're not going to start frisking people going into theaters. I guess they coudl eventually get metal detectors but I doubt it, you're going to have that 16 year old making minimum wage wanding people and doing searches of people with implants and other implanted metal?

I just thought it was a ridiculous show for publication relation/liability. I live in WNC, a quarter of the theater or more were probably carrying concealed.

This is exactly why we do not ban weapons in our movie theatres. We do ask that bags be left in the car (not purses). 1) The bad guys are going to bring in a gun whether you have a sign banning it or not.

2) I hope CCW people can thwart an attack or save lives.

3) The policies like those stated above are silly imo. I wouldn't go there. Untrained, unarmed people checking bags and people for threats? Please.

Many people mentioned a dark theatre. Why would it be dark automatically? House lights may be up. Maybe a movie is playing, illuminating the room. Maybe someone pulls the fire alarm and the emergency lights come on.

Also, why would a CCW holder just shoot randomly in the dark? I guess it's possible but I doubt it.

I'll take my chances with a CCW holder possibly keeping a gunman at bay rather than the gunman walking around emboldened with impunity.

Newt Gingrich was ripped because he said it so soon right after the attacks, but what if one person in the Paris nightclub had a gun and shot a terrorist when he walked by during the ordeal?

 

[TPW]

I've been concealed carry certified for many years. Until now I have not carried at all times but I think going forward I am going to during any activity involving the general public or a group of people with whom I am not familiar.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I've been concealed carry certified for many years. Until now I have not carried at all times but I think going forward I am going to during any activity involving the general public or a group of people with whom I am not familiar.

Great plan. Be sure to cut a notch on your grip for every life you save.

 

[TPW]

Hopefully I will never have to save any. I do know one thing for sure though, people like you won't even save your own.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I've been concealed carry certified for many years. Until now I have not carried at all times but I think going forward I am going to during any activity involving the general public or a group of people with whom I am not familiar.

Go, go Plaxico!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Hopefully I will never have to save any. I do know one thing for sure though, people like you won't even save your own.

You know that for sure? Damn. I can't argue if you know for sure.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Like many here I have had my CHL for many years but rarely carried until recently. Now I carry most times when I go to a bar or party or other large gathering where lively discourse is likely to turn into fisticuffs.

 

[Nugget]

When in St. Louis, I make a concerted effort to stay out of Ferguson. I still go to Berkeley though,

 

[Scoresman]

I have to think pulling out a gun of your own during a shooting would only put a huge target on your back, not only from the shooters, but from the police if/when they arrive and even other wannabe heroes who are carrying as well. In the case of the police, they're gonna see someone with a gun and either shoot you on sight or arrest you thinking you're part of it.

 

[ATC1]

I have to think pulling out a gun of your own during a shooting would only put a huge target on your back, not only from the shooters, but from the police if/when they arrive and even other wannabe heroes who are carrying as well. In the case of the police, they're gonna see someone with a gun and either shoot you on sight or arrest you thinking you're part of it.

Hey Mr. shooter guy. I have a gun. Better shot me before I can draw and aim at you.

Hey Mr. Officer. Good to see backup has arrived. Cover my 6 will ya?

 

[comfortably numb]

I have to think pulling out a gun of your own during a shooting would only put a huge target on your back, not only from the shooters, but from the police if/when they arrive and even other wannabe heroes who are carrying as well. In the case of the police, they're gonna see someone with a gun and either shoot you on sight or arrest you thinking you're part of it.

I know.

As much as I would love to see a well intentioned citizen open fire and stop a mass shooting the reality is when the S.W.A.T team and local PD arrive swarming an area I don't think they are going to be able to distinguish between active shooter and Larry with his 9mm.

Not to mention, 2 well intetioned citizens pull out their weapons and shoot each other thinking the other guy is an active shooter.

These are split nano second decisions being made in what would be an extremely chaotic situation and the bad guys are not wearing uniforms.

 

[Northern Voice]

Like many here I have had my CHL for many years but rarely carried until recently. Now I carry most times when I go to a bar or party or other large gathering where lively discourse is likely to turn into fisticuffs.

Because having guns where before there were only fists, creates a must safer environment?

 

[Ron Swanson]

Like many here I have had my CHL for many years but rarely carried until recently. Now I carry most times when I go to a bar or party or other large gathering where lively discourse is likely to turn into fisticuffs.

Because having guns where before there were only fists, creates a must safer environment?

Gun. And yes. I'm kinda banking on no one else thinking the same.

 

[Northern Voice]

Like many here I have had my CHL for many years but rarely carried until recently. Now I carry most times when I go to a bar or party or other large gathering where lively discourse is likely to turn into fisticuffs.

Because having guns where before there were only fists, creates a must safer environment?

Gun. And yes. I'm kinda banking on no one else thinking the same.

If no one else has a gun, why do you need one?

 

[Buckfast 1]

I conceal carry and not just because I can. I always sit facing the exit at resturants and make a point to get familiar with my surroundings.

I used to avoid going to movies in the 1st weekend to avoid crowds and I can see avoiding them now as a "just in case". Movie theaters I feel the most vunurable in. I always notice where the exits are and can see a major problem if there happens to be a fire or active shooter.

I can't believe that people live with this level of paranoia.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Like many here I have had my CHL for many years but rarely carried until recently. Now I carry most times when I go to a bar or party or other large gathering where lively discourse is likely to turn into fisticuffs.

Because having guns where before there were only fists, creates a must safer environment?

Gun. And yes. I'm kinda banking on no one else thinking the same.

If no one else has a gun, why do you need one?

Because it creates a much safer environment. For me.

 

[belljr]

So how do states where conceal carry is illegal compared to legal differ in the number of deterred crines/killings

 

[comfortably numb]

So how do states where conceal carry is illegal compared to legal differ in the number of deterred crines/killings

You will get all different types of answers varying on what agenda people want to share with you.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

So how do states where conceal carry is illegal compared to legal differ in the number of deterred crines/killings

You will get all different types of answers varying on what agenda people want to share with you.

Troof.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Like many here I have had my CHL for many years but rarely carried until recently. Now I carry most times when I go to a bar or party or other large gathering where lively discourse is likely to turn into fisticuffs.

Ah, nothing is better than mixing alcohol and guns...

 

[The General]

Hell no.

 

[urbanhack]

Hell no.

 

[urbanhack]

when do you think someone with a gun will actually stop one of these????

 

[belljr]

I live in a state that us nearly impossible to get a carry permit. I flip flop on thoughs about getting a handgun for home but

 

[Jobber]

when do you think someone with a gun will actually stop one of these????

I know of one instance in a mall or department store a few years back. When confronted, the shooter killed himself.

 

[FUBAR]

Like many here I have had my CHL for many years but rarely carried until recently. Now I carry most times when I go to a bar or party or other large gathering where lively discourse is likely to turn into fisticuffs.

good thinking. nothing has ever gone awry when someone pulls out a pistol.

I have to think pulling out a gun of your own during a shooting would only put a huge target on your back, not only from the shooters, but from the police if/when they arrive and even other wannabe heroes who are carrying as well. In the case of the police, they're gonna see someone with a gun and either shoot you on sight or arrest you thinking you're part of it.

I know.

As much as I would love to see a well intentioned citizen open fire and stop a mass shooting the reality is when the S.W.A.T team and local PD arrive swarming an area I don't think they are going to be able to distinguish between active shooter and Larry with his 9mm.

Not to mention, 2 well intetioned citizens pull out their weapons and shoot each other thinking the other guy is an active shooter.

These are split nano second decisions being made in what would be an extremely chaotic situation and the bad guys are not wearing uniforms.

the bad guys are the guys shooting the red lasers.

Like many here I have had my CHL for many years but rarely carried until recently. Now I carry most times when I go to a bar or party or other large gathering where lively discourse is likely to turn into fisticuffs.

Because having guns where before there were only fists, creates a must safer environment?

Gun. And yes. I'm kinda banking on no one else thinking the same.

If no one else has a gun, why do you need one?

Because it creates a much safer environment. For me.

good job keeping in character.

 

[NutterButter]

When you say plans, does that include going to work and watching tv? I figured I'll just keep doing that.

 

[NutterButter]

I have to think pulling out a gun of your own during a shooting would only put a huge target on your back, not only from the shooters, but from the police if/when they arrive and even other wannabe heroes who are carrying as well. In the case of the police, they're gonna see someone with a gun and either shoot you on sight or arrest you thinking you're part of it.

I know.

As much as I would love to see a well intentioned citizen open fire and stop a mass shooting the reality is when the S.W.A.T team and local PD arrive swarming an area I don't think they are going to be able to distinguish between active shooter and Larry with his 9mm.

Not to mention, 2 well intetioned citizens pull out their weapons and shoot each other thinking the other guy is an active shooter.

These are split nano second decisions being made in what would be an extremely chaotic situation and the bad guys are not wearing uniforms.

You're talking about some highly trained citizens here. They should be able to figure it out.

 

[Sabertooth]

GunGuys: What sort of firearm would you recommend for defending me and my family against urban, falling ice?

Flamethrower

 

[FUBAR]

Maybe people should move to North Dakota

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Maybe people should move to North Dakota

Eh, I'll take my chances.

 

[matuski]

Hopefully I will never have to save any. I do know one thing for sure though, people like you won't even save your own.

Second death wish in a couple weeks from this doosh.

 

[spreagle]

I have to think pulling out a gun of your own during a shooting would only put a huge target on your back, not only from the shooters, but from the police if/when they arrive and even other wannabe heroes who are carrying as well. In the case of the police, they're gonna see someone with a gun and either shoot you on sight or arrest you thinking you're part of it.

I know.

As much as I would love to see a well intentioned citizen open fire and stop a mass shooting the reality is when the S.W.A.T team and local PD arrive swarming an area I don't think they are going to be able to distinguish between active shooter and Larry with his 9mm.

Not to mention, 2 well intetioned citizens pull out their weapons and shoot each other thinking the other guy is an active shooter.

These are split nano second decisions being made in what would be an extremely chaotic situation and the bad guys are not wearing uniforms.

You're talking about some highly trained citizens here. They should be able to figure it out.

Agree, I'm pretty sure a white guy would think twice before shooting another white guy.

 

[GoFishTN]

Maybe people should move to North Dakota

The first one I clicked on was a domestic situation. If someone in my family is going to kill me, I'm not really worried about what weapon they use to do it.

 

[spreagle]

Maybe people should move to North Dakota

Eh, I'll take my chances.

Looks like the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and Northern Minnesota is a safe zone, same as North Dakota. Not much for gangs. Too cold for terrorists. Most gun violence is domestic violence. Lots of suicides recently though.

Right before Thanksgiving in the Upper Peninsula there was a double murder-suicide right down the road from my parents but since that doesn't technically count as a "mass murder" the UP still has a clean sheet and remains safe.

 

[Brony]

I keep a spatchcocked turkey with me all times in hope I can win over the attackers with delicious food.

this guy gets it. Just don't offer Snickers.

 

[Uber]

Everytime I go into the movies I think about it.

This isn't a bad thing IMO. Always makes sense to know where the exit points are in a movie theater, club, restaurant, etc - especially if you have/are with your family.

Although you are still more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the event than in a mass shooting/terrorist incident.

So why don't the same people who aren't going to the movies, buying guns, etc... handing in their driving license and selling their cars? Media? Unable to understand statistics/probability? Misguided belief that they are in more control of randomness around them in a vehicle?

I actually think you nailed all the reasons.

 

[Brony]

Maybe people should move to North Dakota

Eh, I'll take my chances.

Looks like the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and Northern Minnesota is a safe zone, same as North Dakota. Not much for gangs. Too cold for terrorists. Most gun violence is domestic violence. Lots of suicides recently though.

Right before Thanksgiving in the Upper Peninsula there was a double murder-suicide right down the road from my parents but since that doesn't technically count as a "mass murder" the UP still has a clean sheet and remains safe.

it's DUE!!!

 

[Sabertooth]

I think people fantasize about being a hero, and secretly hope they find themselves in a "situation.

I'm guessing if the SHTF and you're in a movie theater or mall...and you're the good guy shooting it out with the bad guys and the cops come in and you're holding a gun they are going to kill you and ask questions later. At first you'll probably be linked with the bad guys too. And after your family, house, belongings, and financial records are investigated perhaps the true story will come out. But your lasting legacy will be that of the bad guy who shot up a movie theater because THE truth will be underreported.

For disclosure: I'm not anti-gun. I own a handgun (glock), 2 rifles and a shotgun. And I do open carry (with the clip removed) whenever I'm in the backcountry because of the weirdos I've come across.

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