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HBO Series "The Night Of" (1 Viewer)
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RUSF18
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Think there is a really big difference between "not being 100% on point from a legal perspective" and "the defense waits until the trial is underway to do any sort of meaningful investigating". But if that's cool for you, enjoy.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
Maybe it's what the writers are shooting for - can a more junior attorney from a big firm and a guy advertising on the subway who was openly mocked for his inexperience pull this thing off in ~2-3 episodes in what would be appear to be a disorganized cluster *(#@ of a defense? Maybe that's the angle the writers are taking, that defendants get the defense that they get, not that they deserve in ideal conditions. If you look at it from that lens, it's very entertaining and thought provoking.
JZilla
Footballguy
I guess considering they lost a bet and were forced to include two hours of just plain gross ####, and the prison scenes were written by a Trump son, they did pretty well with the rest.. We'll know in two weeks. I'll probably save ep 7. I'm more interested in how VPs wraps up.
Even assuming that to be the case - a fairly generous assumption - I think they could have spent a scene (or several) outlining the case from the defense. Just Stone and the other attorney white-boarding the basic defense strategy - are they going to blame someone else? Are they going to focus on the forensic evidence being off (lack of blood, knife not an exact fit?). Has nothing to do with their experience or resources. I think they established her lack of experience with the objections at trial - though that felt a little too much like A few Good Men... We had no follow-up from the investigator - did he uncover anything that can help?
Maybe they are setting up an ineffectual defense appeal - but right now I am expecting Naz to be convicted in the next episode, with some kind of exculpatory evidence discovered in Episode 8, leading to a motion for new trial/dismissal. The case/trial is moving too quickly for it to take two more episodes to conclude imo.
RUSF18
Footballguy
To me it just seems like they made this decision to move everything along quickly - explained with one line of dialogue after hearing about a Muslim cabbie getting beaten, I believe - and it's hurt virtually the entire plot of the show. We'll see if it gets saved. I'm still enjoying watching it, but think it could have been much better taking a more traditional approach.
As for "thought provoking"...no, I don't think it is particularly surprising if a defendant ends up getting screwed over because his legal team is spending more time pursuing foot treatments than doing very much investigating. Hell, a high powered defense team would probably have virtually no shot at mounting a capable defense in a month against all of that physical evidence.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
I want to see Naz's female attorney nooded.
Major
Footballguy
For realz. I thought she was going to give Turturro a foot massage after downing all those shots.
sartre
Footballguy
The story as told to us through Nas' perspective, is that he completely blacked out and has no recollection of what happened between going to bed and waking up in the kitchen. In the most recent two episodes, we learn that Nas has a violent streak and may be a sociopath (he freely admits feeling nothing about pushing a kid down some stairs).
So I find it an interesting omission that Nas never exhibits an iota of self-doubt, never asks himself whether he could have committed the murder while in an altered state.
So I find it an interesting omission that Nas never exhibits an iota of self-doubt, never asks himself whether he could have committed the murder while in an altered state.
Statorama
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
This is a really good and interesting angle that this show is totally not going to hit on.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
That scene and the knuckle tattoo were both completely ridiculous, as is the amateur hour lawyer stuff. That being said, I'm still totally enjoying this
RUSF18
Footballguy
Dickies
Footballguy
Enjoying the show, but was shocked to hear there are only 2 episodes left. I was thinking that this was going to be a 12-episode series. The lack of interaction between Naz and his counsel seems really strange. We have probably had at least an entire episode worth of time devoted to Stone's feet, and even if there is a reason behind it, it's not good TV. The most compelling part is trying to piece together the evidence, but that feels like an afterthought. Will see how everything plays out, but I am doubtful they can adequately wrap this up in 2 episodes.
Billy Bats
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Billy Bats
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At the end of his phone conversation with the rookie lawyer, he says "I hope I don't scare you if I say.... goodnight."
I didn't hear him say anything, what the hell was he wanting to say?
I didn't hear him say anything, what the hell was he wanting to say?
shadyridr
Footballguy
In the same exact conversation he said one thing he hates about prison is not being able to say goodnight to somebody. I agree, hard to miss since he said it during the same conversation.
Billy Bats
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shadyridr
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mquinnjr
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TheMagus
Footballguy
Yea. I don't like to be that guy that just finds something wrong with everything on TV. But I feel like there is a lot wrong with this show and I'm really losing interest and expecting a really flat ending. It sucks because Episode 1 was so good and was definitely filling the GoT void. I'm partial to murder mysteries so I was excited for this too.
Hov34
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This - She sounds and looks like she just recovered from a stroke.
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Good Posting Judge
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I don't think Nas gets enough credit for rapping his ####### ### off on "Made You Look."
Wingnut
Footballguy
http://zap2it.com/2016/07/the-night-of-why-james-gandolfini-executive-producer/
Why does ‘The Night Of’ list the late James Gandolfini as an executive producer?
Fans of HBO’s latest drama “The Night Of” might have noticed something odd in the credits — the late James Gandolfini is listed as an executive producer despite the fact that he passed away suddenly of a heart attack at the age of 51 in June 2013.
If you’re wondering why the late star has producing credits on “The Night Of,” it’s because the series, based on a U.K. television program called “Criminal Justice,” was a passion project of Gandolfini’s that he was set to produce and star in before his untimely death.
HBO initially passed on the project, but eventually gave it a limited series order. Gandolfini filmed the pilot in late 2012, then HBO picked it up just a month before Gandolfini died. After his death, HBO and the producers decided to move ahead with the project and credit Gandolfini as an executive producer.
John Turturro eventually replaced the late actor in the role of attorney John Stone, who is defending Pakistani-American college student Nasir Khan (Riz Ahmed), accused of murdering a girl on New York’s Upper West Side.
Producers Jane Tranter and Steven Zaillian recently told The Hollywood Reporter about Gandolfini’s version of Stone and that Turturro worked hard to make the character his own.
“Jim had a very clear idea of how he would play Stone. It was very physical. A really, very sort of physical relationship with the character and how he wanted to play it,” says Tranter. “He talked about it very much in terms of the physique.”
“[Gandolfini] very much wanted to do it and I wanted him to do it,” says Zaillian. “But as much as I would have loved to have done it with Jim, this has really become John’s part. They’re both great actors.”
Why does ‘The Night Of’ list the late James Gandolfini as an executive producer?
Fans of HBO’s latest drama “The Night Of” might have noticed something odd in the credits — the late James Gandolfini is listed as an executive producer despite the fact that he passed away suddenly of a heart attack at the age of 51 in June 2013.
If you’re wondering why the late star has producing credits on “The Night Of,” it’s because the series, based on a U.K. television program called “Criminal Justice,” was a passion project of Gandolfini’s that he was set to produce and star in before his untimely death.
HBO initially passed on the project, but eventually gave it a limited series order. Gandolfini filmed the pilot in late 2012, then HBO picked it up just a month before Gandolfini died. After his death, HBO and the producers decided to move ahead with the project and credit Gandolfini as an executive producer.
John Turturro eventually replaced the late actor in the role of attorney John Stone, who is defending Pakistani-American college student Nasir Khan (Riz Ahmed), accused of murdering a girl on New York’s Upper West Side.
Producers Jane Tranter and Steven Zaillian recently told The Hollywood Reporter about Gandolfini’s version of Stone and that Turturro worked hard to make the character his own.
“Jim had a very clear idea of how he would play Stone. It was very physical. A really, very sort of physical relationship with the character and how he wanted to play it,” says Tranter. “He talked about it very much in terms of the physique.”
“[Gandolfini] very much wanted to do it and I wanted him to do it,” says Zaillian. “But as much as I would have loved to have done it with Jim, this has really become John’s part. They’re both great actors.”
So, thinking about the eczema - and it made me realize why I think the show has missed the mark. I kind of liked the eczema stuff, I found humor in the fact that Stone went to a different doctor every week in a never-ending search for the cure. I felt like it defined who Stone was, how he saw himself, and how others saw him. I get the sense that Stone thinks that if he could get rid of the eczema, everything else in his life will fall into place - work and personal. And, so, I liked that bit of character building.
Then i thought about it, and realized that 3/4 of the way through the series, I have no idea what the series is about. There are so many angles the show could have taken:
Right now, I don't know if the show is about any of those things, or none of those things. If this was a show about Naz, then I think we would/should have seen more of his background, and what led up to him being in the spot he is today. Instead, we are getting oh-by-the-way drips of information that Naz may not be who we think he is - but even then, its not really clear. So, its not really a show about Naz.
In retrospect, this could have been a good series about Johns Stone. He seems to have a bit of depth to him, where you could have had a several season run where he takes on a different case each season. But, as much time as we spend on Stone, he really just seems to be an ancillary plot. We get enough information to kind of care about him as a character, but he fades into the background too often for the show to be about him.
If this was a show about the murder - whether as a who-done-it, or simply the process of building a case and a defense, then we should have seen a lot more from both the prosecution and the defense. We get a little bit of that, but its not really even-handed. Most of the prosecutor's scenes involve her eliciting questionable testimony from witnesses - making the viewer think the case is stacked against Naz, and the system is corrupt. And, that is fine, if you want to build a show around that concept - but then skip all the other stuff and focus on how its impossible for a typical defendant to get a fair trial. We are getting some bits of the defense investigation - but nothing to tie it altogether. Maybe that payoff is still coming - but if this was a show about the murder, and the investigation, we should have had more focus on that - instead of just drips. We have not seen anything in the trial, even from cross-examination to suggest what the defense plan is here. (And it still strikes me as lazy writing to have the lawyer make a lame objection that blows up in her face - just reeks of A Few Good Men - even if they are going for an ineffective counsel argument)
I could see this as a show about the process - how it chews up the players. We sort of see this with Naz, and his transformation in jail, but then we see snippets of how this is impacting his family - brother kicked out of school, now a delinquent, Mom and Dad forced into new jobs struggling to survive. I am expecting the ending to be something along the lines of Naz coming out of jail stronger and more confident than when he went in, while everyone around him has had their lives torn apart. But, if this is the case, then we have wasted a lot of time on character development of Stone, even Box, or the female lawyer, and not enough time watching Naz's family fall apart.
So, 6 episodes into a 8-episode season, and I don't know what the show is trying tell me. It just feels like there is too much for them to work with, and instead of picking a focus, the show is trying to do all of it - and in the process doing none of it.
Then i thought about it, and realized that 3/4 of the way through the series, I have no idea what the series is about. There are so many angles the show could have taken:
- Show about Naz
- Show about Stone
- Show about the events of the night of the murder
- Show about the criminal justice process
Right now, I don't know if the show is about any of those things, or none of those things. If this was a show about Naz, then I think we would/should have seen more of his background, and what led up to him being in the spot he is today. Instead, we are getting oh-by-the-way drips of information that Naz may not be who we think he is - but even then, its not really clear. So, its not really a show about Naz.
In retrospect, this could have been a good series about Johns Stone. He seems to have a bit of depth to him, where you could have had a several season run where he takes on a different case each season. But, as much time as we spend on Stone, he really just seems to be an ancillary plot. We get enough information to kind of care about him as a character, but he fades into the background too often for the show to be about him.
If this was a show about the murder - whether as a who-done-it, or simply the process of building a case and a defense, then we should have seen a lot more from both the prosecution and the defense. We get a little bit of that, but its not really even-handed. Most of the prosecutor's scenes involve her eliciting questionable testimony from witnesses - making the viewer think the case is stacked against Naz, and the system is corrupt. And, that is fine, if you want to build a show around that concept - but then skip all the other stuff and focus on how its impossible for a typical defendant to get a fair trial. We are getting some bits of the defense investigation - but nothing to tie it altogether. Maybe that payoff is still coming - but if this was a show about the murder, and the investigation, we should have had more focus on that - instead of just drips. We have not seen anything in the trial, even from cross-examination to suggest what the defense plan is here. (And it still strikes me as lazy writing to have the lawyer make a lame objection that blows up in her face - just reeks of A Few Good Men - even if they are going for an ineffective counsel argument)
I could see this as a show about the process - how it chews up the players. We sort of see this with Naz, and his transformation in jail, but then we see snippets of how this is impacting his family - brother kicked out of school, now a delinquent, Mom and Dad forced into new jobs struggling to survive. I am expecting the ending to be something along the lines of Naz coming out of jail stronger and more confident than when he went in, while everyone around him has had their lives torn apart. But, if this is the case, then we have wasted a lot of time on character development of Stone, even Box, or the female lawyer, and not enough time watching Naz's family fall apart.
So, 6 episodes into a 8-episode season, and I don't know what the show is trying tell me. It just feels like there is too much for them to work with, and instead of picking a focus, the show is trying to do all of it - and in the process doing none of it.
She is a publicity whore. When was the last time you thought about Nancy Grace before you saw her on the show? That is why she does these types of cameos. It pays the bills, and reminds people that she is still a trainwreck that people want to see.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Yeah it seems like in their desire to go deep on everything, they glanced over a lot of surface stuff that any law and order episode would catch. Not only did they not know who owned the house before they went to trial, you're telling me they never even interviewed the step father? If you moved that stuff up 3 episodes, no one bats an eye. It's more lazy editing than writing to have it at this point.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
jamny
Footballguy
I think in the beginning we were in Naz' head. We knew what he was thinking and why he did the things he did. All they had to do was look at the exit at the police department and we knew he wanted to make a run for it. When they said they had to frisk him...omg, they're going to find the knife! It all put us in the show. They lost that connection. Now he gets knuckle tattoos and we have no idea what he's thinking. Why is he doing things that will purposely hurt his chances on trial.
I liked it when it was a murder mystery but not when it became a prison drama.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Things have gotten way too compressed now. They're investigating the crime in the middle of the trial? How did no one ever bother to look up the property records?
Still enjoying it but Nas' failure to see what he is risking in jail sort of defies belief.
Still enjoying it but Nas' failure to see what he is risking in jail sort of defies belief.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Notorious T.R.E.
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Anyone mention some rappers are acting in this?
On The Rocks
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Caught up on the last two episodes last night and agree there were a lot of groan-worthy plot points in play (Turturro going hardy boys, knuckle tats, free-basing (basically the whole nas-is-bad-now montage), timeline vs trial, multi-million dollar estate, etc)
Now leaning towards a resolution of Nas getting life in prison and we find out who the real killer is (hopefully one of the three guys they actually hinted at) in some kind of sneaky "big reveal" at the end. We also discover the cat somehow is the real cure for John Stone's eczema.
Now leaning towards a resolution of Nas getting life in prison and we find out who the real killer is (hopefully one of the three guys they actually hinted at) in some kind of sneaky "big reveal" at the end. We also discover the cat somehow is the real cure for John Stone's eczema.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
I'm convinced that he is going to be found guilty, and there will be a "big reveal" moment that exonerates him, but is not used. As an innocent man, he will go away to prison for a crime he didn't commit.
If you watch any of HBO's documentary programing, I think it goes along with a consistent theme from this network that the criminal justice system is corrupt and farcical at times. Leaving the audience thinking - "wow....I'm a law abiding citizen, and this could happen to me".
If you watch any of HBO's documentary programing, I think it goes along with a consistent theme from this network that the criminal justice system is corrupt and farcical at times. Leaving the audience thinking - "wow....I'm a law abiding citizen, and this could happen to me".
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