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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)

Syrio Forel conspicuously missing?
Never actually saw him die though.
they showed the dude and the chick that got locked in that vault

we never see them die either
Right. And Xaro is still alive in the books . . . . .
They were locked in an empty vault that only has the one key and is impenetrable. I figure it was just assumed that they died. I never really assumed Syrio died.

He is? I really need to reread these books. Maybe before the next season.
I didn't assume they were dead on the show because he is alive in the books. He returns to her in Mereen.
They changed almost everything about Qarth in the show, so I didn't really think much of it.
Very true. I guess we really need to segregate our show and book thoughts, but for the overarching story and significant events. Although, I guess there are things we THINK are significant in the books, that the show's treatment thereof tells us they aren't that meaningful.

 
Every time this thread gets bumped I think it's news about WInds of Winter. :kicksrock:
HAHAHA! Didn't he say at Comicon that he was writing as fast as he can to stay ahead of the the HBO Show?

On a related note, the bartenders at my local bar all dressed at GoT characters for one of the Comicon nights. GRRM came in and actually complimented one of the guys on his Khal Drogo costume and ordered drinks from him.

ETA pics:

Khal Drogo & GRRM

Khaleesi & The Red Woman

 
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Every time this thread gets bumped I think it's news about WInds of Winter. :kicksrock:
HAHAHA! Didn't he say at Comicon that he was writing as fast as he can to stay ahead of the the HBO Show?

On a related note, the bartenders at my local bar all dressed at GoT characters for one of the Comicon nights. GRRM came in and actually complimented one of the guys on his Khal Drogo costume and ordered drinks from him.

ETA pics:

Khal Drogo & GRRM

Khaleesi & The Red Woman
at Comic Con those dudes who sing "Write like the Wind" were playing and GRRM came on stage

it was staged but funny, he has a sense of humor about the writing speed it seems

Write like the Wind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lp3RhzfgI

Comic Con performance: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/07/george-r-r-martin-smash-guitar/

 
i always assumed Syrio was dead, and hoped he was not

in the books and the show
I always assumed Syrio and Jaqen were going to end up being the same guy.
I think Syrio is dead. I never really thought he could be Jaquen, or really understood the theory. It just always seemed like wishful fan thinking.
Martin didn't come right out and say he was dead, but I don't think he was trying to be cryptic. Something about a wooden sword not being able to beat a steel one.

 
Mycroft from Sherlock has been cast. No word on who he is playing, but my guess is Mace Tyrell.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/07/17/game-of-thrones-sherlock/
I put my money on the High Sparrow. I know he doesn't really pop until A Feast of Crows.....but GOT did the same thing last year with their Mance Rayder casting......I think they're doing the same here. I just finished the 5th book....and its pretty obvious that The Faith is intregal to the remaining storyline.

 
Looks like he's not Mace:

July 29, 2013

GRRM PROVIDES A CASTING CLUE

Its been awhile, but George R.R. Martin has provided a casting clue on Not a Blog. Given the end, its clearly for the role of Mace Tyrell, Lord of Highgarden

... and some quick work on the Internet already points to British character actor, writer, and director Roger Ashton-Griffiths, who fits all the particulars in the clue to a T. Hes appeared in a wide range of films and TV programs, including Brazil, Gangs of New York, The Tudors, and A Knights Tale, and will be appearing in Grace of Monaco in the role of Alfred Hitchcock.
 
I'm interested, no very interested in who will be Arianne Martell. when HBO shows her seducing Oakheart I'm going to wear my knight costume.

 
"Game of Thrones" fans, meet your Mace Tyrell. George R.R. Martin confirmed on his blog that actor Roger Ashton-Griffiths will play the father of Margaery and Loras Tyrell and son of Olenna Tyrell in the upcoming Season 4 of the hit HBO series.

This puts to rest rumors that Mark Gatiss will play the Tyrell patriarch. When Zap2it caught up with Gatiss at a San Diego Comic-Con party, he told us then that he had filmed for a week in Belfast. That was a major clue that Gatiss wasn't playing Mace, and gave some context for the locations his part could be set in. One theory is that Gatiss is playing one of Balon Greyjoy's brothers, likely Aeron (though that would mean Gatiss wore quite the wig). He also could play a character at the Eyrie, since that is a location Season 4 is returning to, or someone else we haven't even thought of yet.

Meanwhile, there's some speculation that Joseph Gatt filmed a role in the new season of "Game of Thrones." Winter Is Coming broke the news, but HBO has not yet confirmed to Zap2it that Gatt is in fact in the show. His potential role has not been revealed, though some believe he could have played Styr the Magnar of Thenn because he posted on his Facebook page that he filmed scenes in Iceland.

The only other actors cast for "Game of Thrones" Season 4 right now are Pedro Pascal as Oberyn Martell and Indira Varma as Ellaria Sand. Of Pascal's casting, star Kit Harington tells Yahoo TV, "I haven't seen him in costume yet, but I have had dinner with him a couple of times. He's a lovely man. He's going to be brilliant. It's an amazing character and quite the story line. You're going to enjoy it. [Fans] won't be disappointed, Pedro Pascal is the man for the job."

"Game of Thrones" returns to HBO in Spring 2014.
 
The girls who play Arya and Sansa are pretty funny and normal according to their vine and twitter stuff. Nice to know.

They are going to be way older than the book characters soon though. Bran already aged crazily.

 
Don't read unless you're current through the first five books...

Posted something awhile back that Ned or his brother had fathered Jon on Lyanna (Ice + Ice = ??) and that's what the guilt was about, but reading through the books again and listening to people talk about the timeline I don't think that's right now.

Current wild-eyed crackpot speculation...

--Rhaegar (a scholar) discovered something that would protect the realm or that was for the greater good in some way in his readings. There are suggestions that he was pursuing some sort of unique/specific knowledge before his death.

--In order to realize whatever he discovered he either had to father a child on Lyanna, or knew that someone else needed to father a child on Lyanna.

--I think there might be something going on with the story of Bael the Bard and the blue rose and the Stark daughter that relates to all this, but I'm not sure (Ice + Ice again somehow?). I don't think that story is a throwaway anyhow.

--Jon is the child

--Ned knew about of Rhaegar's plan ahead of time or as it was happening, but was either sworn to secrecy (by Rhaegar? the Lyanna promise?) and/or knew he couldn't reveal it since Jon would be slain and/or the darkness would be permananent

--Ned's guilt is that he let everything that came from the "rape" story rip the realm apart and kill his loved ones rather than reveal what was actually happening
 
Don't read unless you're current through the first five books...

Posted something awhile back that Ned or his brother had fathered Jon on Lyanna (Ice + Ice = ??) and that's what the guilt was about, but reading through the books again and listening to people talk about the timeline I don't think that's right now.

Current wild-eyed crackpot speculation...

--Rhaegar (a scholar) discovered something that would protect the realm or that was for the greater good in some way in his readings. There are suggestions that he was pursuing some sort of unique/specific knowledge before his death.

--In order to realize whatever he discovered he either had to father a child on Lyanna, or knew that someone else needed to father a child on Lyanna.

--I think there might be something going on with the story of Bael the Bard and the blue rose and the Stark daughter that relates to all this, but I'm not sure (Ice + Ice again somehow?). I don't think that story is a throwaway anyhow.

--Jon is the child

--Ned knew about of Rhaegar's plan ahead of time or as it was happening, but was either sworn to secrecy (by Rhaegar? the Lyanna promise?) and/or knew he couldn't reveal it since Jon would be slain and/or the darkness would be permananent

--Ned's guilt is that he let everything that came from the "rape" story rip the realm apart and kill his loved ones rather than reveal what was actually happening
If Snow is Neo, he's just lucky that the Red Witch is still at the Wall

 
Maybe. Though it really depends on how much the show deviates from the books and how Martin pays it off when he's done writing the story. I think most readers take it for granted now, but Martin could also have a great big "FU" laying in wait.

 
I hope it's because I'm too drunk and not too dumb to not follow a word of that.
It's a complicated re-working of a very common theory. IMO, there was way too much evidence of mutual attraction for this clinical alternative.
Yeah... 'mutual attraction' is a good point.

Regardless of that bit, I think Ned knew what was really going on and his guilt was based on that.
I hope it's because I'm too drunk and not too dumb to not follow a word of that.
It's a complicated re-working of a very common theory. IMO, there was way too much evidence of mutual attraction for this clinical alternative.
Yeah... 'mutual attraction' is a good point.

Regardless of that bit, I think Ned knew what was really going on and his guilt was based on that.
For the most part, absolutely. IMO, the guilt comes from keeping the truth from his friend Robert, and his wife (who hates Jon, so it's a double blast), oh, and cuz the realm went to war over it. Although the Mad King needed stopping, the catalyst was a lie. Also, throw in the fact that Ned probably knows that Jr would've been the best king in 300 years, much better than Robert. It's an interesting theory you came up with, and not without merit, I just think there's no soul or passion in it. Martin has too much of those powerful emotions making characters do crazy things, although there's lots of sacrifice in your theory which is a major theme from him, to have a resolution as dispassionate.

If, as UH mentioned, Martin gives us an FU on the theory, I'll track that fat ******* down myself and choke him with his own pedo-sailor cap. Rip our hearts to shreds and kill anyone you want, but don't pull a giant db move like that.

 
Well, part of my thinking is that the existing R+L were so in love that they just couldn't help themselves so ran off together and =J story makes no sense. R was a good guy through and through -- literally every mention of him in the books is glowing. L was bethrothed.

Maybe it will turn out to be as presented -- a mad rush of passion. I'm just betting not. There are several references to Rhaegar's scholarship and I think even specific books he was searching for/reading (though I don't recall the details). I think there's a hint there.

And why would Ned have been sympathetic to his sister or Jon if it had gone down like that? Wouldn't honor have demanded something else -- by that point he already knew what the cost had been. Seems like it would have taken a pretty significant reason to have him protect Jon given the circumstances.

Also, it's just too simple and obvious the way the theory is constructed now. I don't think Martin would show that much of the story if it were that straightforward.

I'm really hoping to read the books again before #6 comes looking specifically for this stuff. Especially the Bael the Bard/blue rose thing and Rhaegar's literary interests.

 
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OMG... there's a discussion about R+L = J that's 62 threads long. Several hundreds forum pages.

At a glance the only thing new in my idea up there would be that Ned knew ahead of time. And I'm not even sure that hasn't been discussed.

 
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rascal said:
Nick Vermeil said:
rascal said:
Pre-ordered the new book coming out in october....debating if I should re-read the entire series
Wait, what?
Leeroy Jenkins said:
rascal said:
Pre-ordered the new book coming out in october....debating if I should re-read the entire series
What?
Sorry, paperback version of Dance with Dragons comes out Oct 29th. I'm cheap and technology adverse.
I'm guessing with the paperback version coming out now, that hardback sales are starting to decline. Which gives me hope that the 6th book should be coming out sometime next year?

And yes, I really think Martin could have had the 6th book a lot sooner, but with the popularity of the series, he's trying to squeeze every last dime out of this.

 
These books are amazing. If he'd written something so intricate and so entertwined in another genre it'd be hailed as a masterpiece.

I've read the entire series twice and literally didn't have a hint of any of the stuff in the link below. (MASSIVE SPOILERS)

Oops... wrong link.

 
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