HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (5 Viewers)

[shuke]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

How do you figure she was? She married Ramsay and he didn't threaten her or anything. He was incredible crude and even brutal but I don't think she resisted or anything. She just did what she had to do right? She didn't say anything at all. That was kind of the point of the scene IMO. Innocence lost.

You watched a woman get thrown on the bed and screwed when she didn't want to with some other dude looking on. Just because they are married doesn't make it not rape.

 

[Sabertooth]

She didn't resist. She didn't say no. She married him voluntarily.

Remember Sansa doesn't know the depths of Ramsey's depravity. If she did, she'd have turned back to the south when she and little finger had their conversation.

She's playing the game of thrones now. And it's a brutal game. She understands this. She is choosing to play. I hope she's better than her dad was at it.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Still rape, bobo.

 

[Sweet J]

She didn't resist. She didn't say no. She married him voluntarily.

Remember Sansa doesn't know the depths of Ramsey's depravity. If she did, she'd have turned back to the south when she and little finger had their conversation.

She's playing the game of thrones now. And it's a brutal game. She understands this. She is choosing to play. I hope she's better than her dad was at it.

I'm all for poking the (internet) bear on this. However, just between us guys: If you get sent to prison on a trumped up charge, and it's made known that you will be skinned alive (literally!) until you die a gruesome tortuous death unless you let your cellmate Bubba go to town on your ######, you may, indeed, not resist. It wouldn't make it any less of a rape. Even if Bubba agrees to marry you first -- :confetti:

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Am I the only on that thinks Sansa was actually getting it up the Mud Gate?

 

[John Bender]

Am I the only on that thinks Sansa was actually getting it up the Mud Gate?

jc

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't know. Like i said it was bad, really bad. But I thought it was meant to show that she will do whatever she needs to do to win. Different interpretations I guess.

 

[Sweet J]

Am I the only on that thinks Sansa was actually getting it up the Mud Gate?

The Boltons probably want her preggers, stat.

Of course, that doesn't preclude Ramsey getting a little creative with the route he takes to get there. But still.

 

[Sweet J]

I don't know. Like i said it was bad, really bad. But I thought it was meant to show that she will do whatever she needs to do to win. Different interpretations I guess.

It certainly shows her strength and determination. As well as his depravity. But I don't necessarily think this is a case of her manipulating him so he'll be less brutal with her. It's more about her handling his brutality without breaking (like Theon did).

 

[CletiusMaximus]

She didn't resist. She didn't say no. She married him voluntarily.

Remember Sansa doesn't know the depths of Ramsey's depravity. If she did, she'd have turned back to the south when she and little finger had their conversation.

She's playing the game of thrones now. And it's a brutal game. She understands this. She is choosing to play. I hope she's better than her dad was at it.

I'm all for poking the (internet) bear on this. However, just between us guys: If you get sent to prison on a trumped up charge, and it's made known that you will be skinned alive (literally!) until you die a gruesome tortuous death unless you let your cellmate Bubba go to town on your ######, you may, indeed, not resist. It wouldn't make it any less of a rape. Even if Bubba agrees to marry you first -- :confetti:

Littlefinger told her she was to marry Ramsey and gave her the opportunity to refuse, so she knew what was coming, could have backed out, and did certainly consent. Of course, many if not most arranged marriages, in fact and fiction, involve some level of non-consent. It was a brutal scene, even while largely off-screen. Unpleasant to watch, I think particularly for book readers. Probably not worthwhile to debate whether or not this falls under the broad, vague and ill-defined term "rape."

 

[KarmaPolice]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

How do you figure she was? She married Ramsay and he didn't threaten her or anything. He was incredible crude and even brutal but I don't think she resisted or anything. She just did what she had to do right? She didn't say anything at all. That was kind of the point of the scene IMO. Innocence lost.

Wow, just wow. Kinda hope this is shtick.

Sure, she was there, but nothing, including the wedding, was anything that she had control over or much wanted. Not resisting has nothing to do with it. She had her clothes ripped off, forced down, and had someone else watching this. "innocence lost"?? GTFO.

I assume the point was to have something happen that causes Reek and/or Sansa to snap. Rape didn't have to be the event, and I think after 5 seasons a lot of watchers are tired of them using that. Dipped into that well a few too many times, and seems they have mishandled it just about every time.

How about something different that would be within character: Ramsey decides to punish Reek for not leading Sansa by the arm like Reek said he would. This time he decides to take it out Sansa by flaying a finger. That ####s with both of them, it is something that could be hidden with a glove, blah, blah.

After the Jamie/Cersei scene by Joffrey's dead body last season, I think the general viewer is tired of them going there.

 

[Sweet J]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/politics/claire-mccaskill-game-of-thrones-twitter/index.html

I don't really know why, but for some reason I'm really annoyed at people (especially public figures/politicians) getting up on their high horse and condemning the show because of this scene.

It's a brutal world that Martin and HBO are presenting. Hell, it's a brutal world here (just google something like "teens raped" and take a look at the hits). But good christ, last year King Joffree killed Roz by tying her up and shooting her full of crossbow bolts, and nobody said a peep.

 

[dutch]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/politics/claire-mccaskill-game-of-thrones-twitter/index.html

I don't really know why, but for some reason I'm really annoyed at people (especially public figures/politicians) getting up on their high horse and condemning the show because of this scene.

It's a brutal world that Martin and HBO are presenting. Hell, it's a brutal world here (just google something like "teens raped" and take a look at the hits). But good christ, last year King Joffree killed Roz by tying her up and shooting her full of crossbow bolts, and nobody said a peep.

yeah...no. I think I'll pass on that one.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I don't know. Like i said it was bad, really bad. But I thought it was meant to show that she will do whatever she needs to do to win. Different interpretations I guess.

It certainly shows her strength and determination. As well as his depravity. But I don't necessarily think this is a case of her manipulating him so he'll be less brutal with her. It's more about her handling his brutality without breaking (like Theon did).

Yeah, I thought it was more about her realizing what trouble she was in, especially after scene when she takes a stand against Ramsey's lady and saying they can't scare her.

 

[Sweet J]

She didn't resist. She didn't say no. She married him voluntarily.

Remember Sansa doesn't know the depths of Ramsey's depravity. If she did, she'd have turned back to the south when she and little finger had their conversation.

She's playing the game of thrones now. And it's a brutal game. She understands this. She is choosing to play. I hope she's better than her dad was at it.

I'm all for poking the (internet) bear on this. However, just between us guys: If you get sent to prison on a trumped up charge, and it's made known that you will be skinned alive (literally!) until you die a gruesome tortuous death unless you let your cellmate Bubba go to town on your ######, you may, indeed, not resist. It wouldn't make it any less of a rape. Even if Bubba agrees to marry you first -- :confetti:

Littlefinger told her she was to marry Ramsey and gave her the opportunity to refuse, so she knew what was coming, could have backed out, and did certainly consent. Of course, many if not most arranged marriages, in fact and fiction, involve some level of non-consent. It was a brutal scene, even while largely off-screen. Unpleasant to watch, I think particularly for book readers. Probably not worthwhile to debate whether or not this falls under the broad, vague and ill-defined term "rape."

That makes not much sense to me. If Ramsey cut off her hand for fun and sport, would we say that she "consented" to it because she could have backed out?

And yes, I understand that most people would acknowledge that if you are MARRYING a lord in the middle ages, the expectations is that he will be putting his pecker in you sometime soon after marriage (and not cutting your hand off). So I can see the idea that when she consented to marrying him she knew that he would be penetrating her at some point. That doesn't mean he's incapable of rape. And the "deciding factor" can't be whether or not she resisted. Again: she may not resist if she thinks the consequences will be greater if she does.

 

[KarmaPolice]

She didn't resist. She didn't say no. She married him voluntarily.

Remember Sansa doesn't know the depths of Ramsey's depravity. If she did, she'd have turned back to the south when she and little finger had their conversation.

She's playing the game of thrones now. And it's a brutal game. She understands this. She is choosing to play. I hope she's better than her dad was at it.

I'm all for poking the (internet) bear on this. However, just between us guys: If you get sent to prison on a trumped up charge, and it's made known that you will be skinned alive (literally!) until you die a gruesome tortuous death unless you let your cellmate Bubba go to town on your ######, you may, indeed, not resist. It wouldn't make it any less of a rape. Even if Bubba agrees to marry you first -- :confetti:

Littlefinger told her she was to marry Ramsey and gave her the opportunity to refuse, so she knew what was coming, could have backed out, and did certainly consent. Of course, many if not most arranged marriages, in fact and fiction, involve some level of non-consent. It was a brutal scene, even while largely off-screen. Unpleasant to watch, I think particularly for book readers. Probably not worthwhile to debate whether or not this falls under the broad, vague and ill-defined term "rape."

I don't think she and Littlefinger knew 100% what he was.

Sansa showed us that she is not dumb when it comes to wedding night. With Tyrion, she gulped some booze and begrudgingly started to undress. That is what most would consider a forced marriage to play out like at first. She didn't have much choice (she thought) but was able to take some level of control in that situation. Last Sunday was not like that at all.

Like i said above, i think the reaction stems from a bit of rape fatigue from the show on top of the emotional reaction of watching it happen to a girl we have watched grow up on screen and really like.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/politics/claire-mccaskill-game-of-thrones-twitter/index.html

I don't really know why, but for some reason I'm really annoyed at people (especially public figures/politicians) getting up on their high horse and condemning the show because of this scene.

It's a brutal world that Martin and HBO are presenting. Hell, it's a brutal world here (just google something like "teens raped" and take a look at the hits). But good christ, last year King Joffree killed Roz by tying her up and shooting her full of crossbow bolts, and nobody said a peep.

violence is only bad if it is tied to sexuality, silly. Sex is bad.

 

[Gr00vus]

i think the reaction stems from a bit of rape fatigue from the show on top of the emotional reaction of watching it happen to a girl we have watched grow up on screen and really like.

This is a good take. She managed to avoid a lifetime of misery with Joffrey, she got out of another unwanted marriage with Tyrion, she somehow seems relatively safe with Littlefinger (creep undertones not withstanding) - and then she ends up here. For me, it was a gut punch nearly on par with Ned getting beheaded, even if it played out a bit more inexorably over the last couple of episodes. You were really hoping she had a trick up her sleeve or Theon was going to wake up and it didn't happen. From that perspective it was a very effective scene in terms of how they manipulated the viewers' emotions. It remains to be seen if this scene proves necessary to playing out the story, or it was just a shock value add in that ends up not really meaning much in the overall context of the show. I'm hoping it's the former, otherwise, yes, there are other ways they could and should have shocked us without this.

 

[Thunderlips]

i think the reaction stems from a bit of rape fatigue from the show on top of the emotional reaction of watching it happen to a girl we have watched grow up on screen and really like.

This is a good take. She managed to avoid a lifetime of misery with Joffrey, she got out of another unwanted marriage with Tyrion, she somehow seems relatively safe with Littlefinger (creep undertones not withstanding) - and then she ends up here. For me, it was a gut punch nearly on par with Ned getting beheaded, even if it played out a bit more inexorably over the last couple of episodes. You were really hoping she had a trick up her sleeve or Theon was going to wake up and it didn't happen. From that perspective it was a very effective scene in terms of how they manipulated the viewers' emotions. It remains to be seen if this scene proves necessary to playing out the story, or it was just a shock value add in that ends up not really meaning much in the overall context of the show. I'm hoping it's the former, otherwise, yes, there are other ways they could and should have shocked us without this.

If her television story is being imprinted over Fake Arya's story......then there's not really any extra meaning to it.

 

[Sabertooth]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

How do you figure she was? She married Ramsay and he didn't threaten her or anything. He was incredible crude and even brutal but I don't think she resisted or anything. She just did what she had to do right? She didn't say anything at all. That was kind of the point of the scene IMO. Innocence lost.

Wow, just wow. Kinda hope this is shtick. Sure, she was there, but nothing, including the wedding, was anything that she had control over or much wanted. Not resisting has nothing to do with it. She had her clothes ripped off, forced down, and had someone else watching this. "innocence lost"?? GTFO.

I assume the point was to have something happen that causes Reek and/or Sansa to snap. Rape didn't have to be the event, and I think after 5 seasons a lot of watchers are tired of them using that. Dipped into that well a few too many times, and seems they have mishandled it just about every time.

How about something different that would be within character: Ramsey decides to punish Reek for not leading Sansa by the arm like Reek said he would. This time he decides to take it out Sansa by flaying a finger. That ####s with both of them, it is something that could be hidden with a glove, blah, blah.

After the Jamie/Cersei scene by Joffrey's dead body last season, I think the general viewer is tired of them going there.

You have issues dude.

 

[Sabertooth]

And to think, Ned doesn't lose his head if Sansa shows just a little family loyalty. She's certainly paying the price for selling out her old man now.

 

[KarmaPolice]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

How do you figure she was? She married Ramsay and he didn't threaten her or anything. He was incredible crude and even brutal but I don't think she resisted or anything. She just did what she had to do right? She didn't say anything at all. That was kind of the point of the scene IMO. Innocence lost.

Wow, just wow. Kinda hope this is shtick. Sure, she was there, but nothing, including the wedding, was anything that she had control over or much wanted. Not resisting has nothing to do with it. She had her clothes ripped off, forced down, and had someone else watching this. "innocence lost"?? GTFO.

I assume the point was to have something happen that causes Reek and/or Sansa to snap. Rape didn't have to be the event, and I think after 5 seasons a lot of watchers are tired of them using that. Dipped into that well a few too many times, and seems they have mishandled it just about every time.

How about something different that would be within character: Ramsey decides to punish Reek for not leading Sansa by the arm like Reek said he would. This time he decides to take it out Sansa by flaying a finger. That ####s with both of them, it is something that could be hidden with a glove, blah, blah.

After the Jamie/Cersei scene by Joffrey's dead body last season, I think the general viewer is tired of them going there.

You have issues dude.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Gr00vus]

i think the reaction stems from a bit of rape fatigue from the show on top of the emotional reaction of watching it happen to a girl we have watched grow up on screen and really like.

This is a good take. She managed to avoid a lifetime of misery with Joffrey, she got out of another unwanted marriage with Tyrion, she somehow seems relatively safe with Littlefinger (creep undertones not withstanding) - and then she ends up here. For me, it was a gut punch nearly on par with Ned getting beheaded, even if it played out a bit more inexorably over the last couple of episodes. You were really hoping she had a trick up her sleeve or Theon was going to wake up and it didn't happen. From that perspective it was a very effective scene in terms of how they manipulated the viewers' emotions. It remains to be seen if this scene proves necessary to playing out the story, or it was just a shock value add in that ends up not really meaning much in the overall context of the show. I'm hoping it's the former, otherwise, yes, there are other ways they could and should have shocked us without this.

If her television story is being imprinted over Fake Arya's story......then there's not really any extra meaning to it.

I don't know that we can say that for certain yet.

 

[KarmaPolice]

i think the reaction stems from a bit of rape fatigue from the show on top of the emotional reaction of watching it happen to a girl we have watched grow up on screen and really like.

This is a good take. She managed to avoid a lifetime of misery with Joffrey, she got out of another unwanted marriage with Tyrion, she somehow seems relatively safe with Littlefinger (creep undertones not withstanding) - and then she ends up here. For me, it was a gut punch nearly on par with Ned getting beheaded, even if it played out a bit more inexorably over the last couple of episodes. You were really hoping she had a trick up her sleeve or Theon was going to wake up and it didn't happen. From that perspective it was a very effective scene in terms of how they manipulated the viewers' emotions. It remains to be seen if this scene proves necessary to playing out the story, or it was just a shock value add in that ends up not really meaning much in the overall context of the show. I'm hoping it's the former, otherwise, yes, there are other ways they could and should have shocked us without this.

If her television story is being imprinted over Fake Arya's story......then there's not really any extra meaning to it.

I don't know that we can say that for certain yet.

I guess the end game could be for her to be knocked up?

 

[Gr00vus]

i think the reaction stems from a bit of rape fatigue from the show on top of the emotional reaction of watching it happen to a girl we have watched grow up on screen and really like.

This is a good take. She managed to avoid a lifetime of misery with Joffrey, she got out of another unwanted marriage with Tyrion, she somehow seems relatively safe with Littlefinger (creep undertones not withstanding) - and then she ends up here. For me, it was a gut punch nearly on par with Ned getting beheaded, even if it played out a bit more inexorably over the last couple of episodes. You were really hoping she had a trick up her sleeve or Theon was going to wake up and it didn't happen. From that perspective it was a very effective scene in terms of how they manipulated the viewers' emotions. It remains to be seen if this scene proves necessary to playing out the story, or it was just a shock value add in that ends up not really meaning much in the overall context of the show. I'm hoping it's the former, otherwise, yes, there are other ways they could and should have shocked us without this.

If her television story is being imprinted over Fake Arya's story......then there's not really any extra meaning to it.

I don't know that we can say that for certain yet.

I guess the end game could be for her to be knocked up?

Possibly - though I could see her putting a stop to that in yet another controversial turn. I'm figuring she'll be intimately involved in the downfall of house Bolton in some way. Too bad Baelish threw her old wedding veil into the ocean. Maybe there are some folks left around Winterfell who could help her work up some nasty tricks.

 

[Tusken Raider]

i think the reaction stems from a bit of rape fatigue from the show on top of the emotional reaction of watching it happen to a girl we have watched grow up on screen and really like.

This is a good take. She managed to avoid a lifetime of misery with Joffrey, she got out of another unwanted marriage with Tyrion, she somehow seems relatively safe with Littlefinger (creep undertones not withstanding) - and then she ends up here. For me, it was a gut punch nearly on par with Ned getting beheaded, even if it played out a bit more inexorably over the last couple of episodes. You were really hoping she had a trick up her sleeve or Theon was going to wake up and it didn't happen. From that perspective it was a very effective scene in terms of how they manipulated the viewers' emotions. It remains to be seen if this scene proves necessary to playing out the story, or it was just a shock value add in that ends up not really meaning much in the overall context of the show. I'm hoping it's the former, otherwise, yes, there are other ways they could and should have shocked us without this.

If her television story is being imprinted over Fake Arya's story......then there's not really any extra meaning to it.

I don't know that we can say that for certain yet.

I guess the end game could be for her to be knocked up?

IMO, Sansa thought she was ready to play the game, but it turned out to be a lot tougher than she realized. Remember, she'd been slapped around by Joffrey & threatened/belittled by The Hound. Losing her flower this way wasn't something she could prep for, but now she has another tough experience to emerge from. Next to Theon, she's been through more abuse than any other main character.

I could see her getting knocked up by Ramsey, him getting offed somehow, & she becoming a loving mother to his child, solidifying her rule over the North until the next Bolton kid emerges (or Bran shows back up & flays everyone with his raven-ness.)

 

[Super King]

She'll drink the moon tea.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

i think the reaction stems from a bit of rape fatigue from the show on top of the emotional reaction of watching it happen to a girl we have watched grow up on screen and really like.

This is a good take. She managed to avoid a lifetime of misery with Joffrey, she got out of another unwanted marriage with Tyrion, she somehow seems relatively safe with Littlefinger (creep undertones not withstanding) - and then she ends up here. For me, it was a gut punch nearly on par with Ned getting beheaded, even if it played out a bit more inexorably over the last couple of episodes. You were really hoping she had a trick up her sleeve or Theon was going to wake up and it didn't happen. From that perspective it was a very effective scene in terms of how they manipulated the viewers' emotions. It remains to be seen if this scene proves necessary to playing out the story, or it was just a shock value add in that ends up not really meaning much in the overall context of the show. I'm hoping it's the former, otherwise, yes, there are other ways they could and should have shocked us without this.

If her television story is being imprinted over Fake Arya's story......then there's not really any extra meaning to it.

I don't know that we can say that for certain yet.

I guess the end game could be for her to be knocked up?

Possibly - though I could see her putting a stop to that in yet another controversial turn. I'm figuring she'll be intimately involved in the downfall of house Bolton in some way. Too bad Baelish threw her old wedding veil into the ocean. Maybe there are some folks left around Winterfell who could help her work up some nasty tricks.

My wild ### guess is that she'll manipulate Ramsey into killing Roose. I feel like they have been setting the table for something like that. Then she will arrange for Theon/Miranda to kill Ramsey. I think she's bringing the Bolton's down.

 

[Gr00vus]

My wild ### guess is that she'll manipulate Ramsey into killing Roose. I feel like they have been setting the table for something like that. Then she will arrange for Theon/Miranda to kill Ramsey. I think she's bringing the Bolton's down.

That would be good. I figure she's spent way too much time around Cersei, Olenna and Littlefinger not have learned a few useful lessons by now.

 

[Thunderlips]

i think the reaction stems from a bit of rape fatigue from the show on top of the emotional reaction of watching it happen to a girl we have watched grow up on screen and really like.

This is a good take. She managed to avoid a lifetime of misery with Joffrey, she got out of another unwanted marriage with Tyrion, she somehow seems relatively safe with Littlefinger (creep undertones not withstanding) - and then she ends up here. For me, it was a gut punch nearly on par with Ned getting beheaded, even if it played out a bit more inexorably over the last couple of episodes. You were really hoping she had a trick up her sleeve or Theon was going to wake up and it didn't happen. From that perspective it was a very effective scene in terms of how they manipulated the viewers' emotions. It remains to be seen if this scene proves necessary to playing out the story, or it was just a shock value add in that ends up not really meaning much in the overall context of the show. I'm hoping it's the former, otherwise, yes, there are other ways they could and should have shocked us without this.

If her television story is being imprinted over Fake Arya's story......then there's not really any extra meaning to it.

I don't know that we can say that for certain yet.

I guess the end game could be for her to be knocked up?

IMO, Sansa thought she was ready to play the game, but it turned out to be a lot tougher than she realized. Remember, she'd been slapped around by Joffrey & threatened/belittled by The Hound. Losing her flower this way wasn't something she could prep for, but now she has another tough experience to emerge from. Next to Theon, she's been through more abuse than any other main character.

I could see her getting knocked up by Ramsey, him getting offed somehow, & she becoming a loving mother to his child, solidifying her rule over the North until the next Bolton kid emerges (or Bran shows back up & flays everyone with his raven-ness.)

I don't think they deviate from the book that much. There will be another instance or two of abuse, Brienne will rescue her (maybe with Pod dying as his future in the books is unclear) with help from Theon and they'll make it to Stannis' camp. I think the double cliffhanger at The Wall (John receiving a raven from Ramsey saying Stannis is dead and the Boltons are coming for him and then getting stabbed) HAS to be at least the ninth episode.....if not where they end Season Five.

Granted all of that could occur while she's pregnant with a baby Ramsey.....but I don't think so.

What would suck is if Pod plays the role of the spearwives in the escape and gets flayed for it.

 

[Sabertooth]

She'll drink the moon tea.

Tansy was mentioned. That has some relation to the moon too in the books right?

 

[Kraft...]

I think the scene was more of a turning point for Theon. Witnessing the cruelty to someone else he was close to put him over the edge, makes him realize he needs to save her.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I think the scene was more of a turning point for Theon. Witnessing the cruelty to someone else he was close to put him over the edge, makes him realize he needs to save her.

Yea. This is the beginning of Reek turning back into Theon and redeeming himself.

 

[renesauz]

Not sure what all the complaints are for. Still love the show, and that episode was probably my favorite so far this season.

 

[Maelstrom]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

How do you figure she was? She married Ramsay and he didn't threaten her or anything. He was incredible crude and even brutal but I don't think she resisted or anything. She just did what she had to do right? She didn't say anything at all. That was kind of the point of the scene IMO. Innocence lost.

Wow, just wow. Kinda hope this is shtick.

Sure, she was there, but nothing, including the wedding, was anything that she had control over or much wanted. Not resisting has nothing to do with it. She had her clothes ripped off, forced down, and had someone else watching this. "innocence lost"?? GTFO.

I assume the point was to have something happen that causes Reek and/or Sansa to snap. Rape didn't have to be the event, and I think after 5 seasons a lot of watchers are tired of them using that. Dipped into that well a few too many times, and seems they have mishandled it just about every time.

How about something different that would be within character: Ramsey decides to punish Reek for not leading Sansa by the arm like Reek said he would. This time he decides to take it out Sansa by flaying a finger. That ####s with both of them, it is something that could be hidden with a glove, blah, blah.

After the Jamie/Cersei scene by Joffrey's dead body last season, I think the general viewer is tired of them going there.

The Jamie/Cersei scene wasn't rape...the directors handled both the initial scene and the uproar afterwards badly, but it was never intended to be rape. In the book, it was very clear it was consensual, and the only thing Cersei was objecting to was that they might get caught. The directors did a bad job trying to show that in the scene on the show.

I won't say the Sansa scene wasn't rape, but there is more going on here than that. Rooting for her to get some revenge.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I don't know. Like i said it was bad, really bad. But I thought it was meant to show that she will do whatever she needs to do to win. Different interpretations I guess.

I agree with this. She has the weight of basically ending her families name and being with Joff has surely desensitized her as well. She is definitely in it to win it now IMO.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Not sure what all the complaints are for. Still love the show, and that episode was probably my favorite so far this season.

The sand snakes introduction, plot, and acting has been beneath the standards this show has set.

Week before was my favorite of the season.

 

[Sabertooth]

Has there been a big change in writing or direction this season? I know they writers are going blind with a lot of this now but it just seems like they are totally losing control. For the first time in this series, I think they are starting to lose fans.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Has there been a big change in writing or direction this season? I know they writers are going blind with a lot of this now but it just seems like they are totally losing control. For the first time in this series, I think they are starting to lose fans.

Overreacting a bit?

 

[babydemon90]

I think the scene was more of a turning point for Theon. Witnessing the cruelty to someone else he was close to put him over the edge, makes him realize he needs to save her.

Yea. This is the beginning of Reek turning back into Theon and redeeming himself.

I could see this. Maybe Theon will take the "Hooded Man" role at Winterfell instead of Mance.... (or maybe I'm mixing up the roles, but basically he does those secret killings)

 

[KarmaPolice]

All the ##### about rape and i dont recall the out rage of khal drogo and dany in season 1

Sansa wasn't raped.

How do you figure that?

How do you figure she was? She married Ramsay and he didn't threaten her or anything. He was incredible crude and even brutal but I don't think she resisted or anything. She just did what she had to do right? She didn't say anything at all. That was kind of the point of the scene IMO. Innocence lost.

Wow, just wow. Kinda hope this is shtick.

Sure, she was there, but nothing, including the wedding, was anything that she had control over or much wanted. Not resisting has nothing to do with it. She had her clothes ripped off, forced down, and had someone else watching this. "innocence lost"?? GTFO.

I assume the point was to have something happen that causes Reek and/or Sansa to snap. Rape didn't have to be the event, and I think after 5 seasons a lot of watchers are tired of them using that. Dipped into that well a few too many times, and seems they have mishandled it just about every time.

How about something different that would be within character: Ramsey decides to punish Reek for not leading Sansa by the arm like Reek said he would. This time he decides to take it out Sansa by flaying a finger. That ####s with both of them, it is something that could be hidden with a glove, blah, blah.

After the Jamie/Cersei scene by Joffrey's dead body last season, I think the general viewer is tired of them going there.

The Jamie/Cersei scene wasn't rape...the directors handled both the initial scene and the uproar afterwards badly, but it was never intended to be rape. In the book, it was very clear it was consensual, and the only thing Cersei was objecting to was that they might get caught. The directors did a bad job trying to show that in the scene on the show.

I won't say the Sansa scene wasn't rape, but there is more going on here than that. Rooting for her to get some revenge.

The scene depicted on the screen looked like rape, whether that was the intention or not. Non-book readers were upset because they seemed to show Jamie raping Cersei and then going back to normal. Book readers were just annoyed that they botched the scene that bad and made it look like that.

Here is similar from the articles I have read. Non-book readers are upset because it is yet another seemingly pointless rape, and this time to a beloved character we have a lot more emotional ties too. Book readers are upset because of all the things that the showrunners are taking liberties with and changing, they had to stick to the book with the raping, but made it worse by choosing to make it Sansa in the scene.

 

[babydemon90]

Preview of next week's sand snakes fight scene...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SK0cUNMnMM

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think the scene was more of a turning point for Theon. Witnessing the cruelty to someone else he was close to put him over the edge, makes him realize he needs to save her.

Yea. This is the beginning of Reek turning back into Theon and redeeming himself.

I could see this. Maybe Theon will take the "Hooded Man" role at Winterfell instead of Mance.... (or maybe I'm mixing up the roles, but basically he does those secret killings)

I don't remember this--can someone refresh my memory?

 

[John Kreese]

Not sure why everyone is hating on the Dorne scenes. I thought the fight sequence was very well done.

http://i.imgur.com/UPcmC7b.gif

 

[Gr00vus]

Not sure why everyone is hating on the Dorne scenes. I thought the fight sequence was very well done.

http://i.imgur.com/UPcmC7b.gif

 

[John Kreese]

And the direction they've taken Sansa in is stupid. Her character is just there to facilitate the transition of Reek back to Theon at this point. She hasn't shown any sign that she's going to be this great manipulator that takes down the Bolton's.

 

[Gr00vus]

And the direction they've taken Sansa in is stupid. Her character is just there to facilitate the transition of Reek back to Theon at this point. She hasn't shown any sign that she's going to be this great manipulator that takes down the Bolton's.

Yeah, they need to start showing her beginning to take care of business at this point. Otherwise she's just a completely pathetic character that needs to get less screen time, making the rape scene this week was a really bad choice. It's also possible that now that she's in a location with a functioning weirwood, Bran will see what's going on and help her out somehow. But, as he's not in this season, I guess that wouldn't be happening any time soon.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Not sure why everyone is hating on the Dorne scenes. I thought the fight sequence was very well done.

http://i.imgur.com/UPcmC7b.gif

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

Not sure why everyone is hating on the Dorne scenes. I thought the fight sequence was very well done.

http://i.imgur.com/UPcmC7b.gif

lol

 

[ScottNorwood]

Isn't it ironic that on a fantasy football website we are here complaining about a fantasy writer who is too distracted by football to finish his books? Dontcha think?