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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)
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Mile High
Footballguy
Gotcha
I think people will know that is what it is if his eyes go white, but (sorry to talk about story and all) I think it would be a bit out of left field since there is no mention of others in the family or given a hint of this in Jon. I would assume he wargs into Ghost, but hell, Ghost is hardly with him anymore.
I think people will know that is what it is if his eyes go white, but (sorry to talk about story and all) I think it would be a bit out of left field since there is no mention of others in the family or given a hint of this in Jon. I would assume he wargs into Ghost, but hell, Ghost is hardly with him anymore.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
GotchaI think people will know that is what it is if his eyes go white, but (sorry to talk about story and all) I think it would be a bit out of left field since there is no mention of others in the family or given a hint of this in Jon. I would assume he wargs into Ghost, but hell, Ghost is hardly with him anymore.
Don't think so. Maybe was there a dream sequence when he got to the wall?
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
Didnt Jon warg before on the show?
I don't think so. There are only two times (that I can recall offhand) where Jon connects with Ghost:
1) When he is with Qhorin Halfhand tracking the wildlings (the show screwed up this whole sequence because he got captured dealing with Ygritte rather than letting her go)
2) When Ghost is returning to Castle Black after Jon had split up from him because he had to climb The Wall.
Neither of these instances were in the show (that I can recall). Now, if they are going to show Jon warging in this episode I would hope they would show Arya doing at well earlier in the show (assuming Jon's death is the final scene of the season). Arya routinely has wolf dreams but also sees through the eyes of a cat.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
It's good stuff.Gonna drink my "Take the Black" Stout while I watch the season finale this Sunday.
Didnt Jon warg before on the show?
I don't think so. There are only two times (that I can recall offhand) where Jon connects with Ghost:
1) When he is with Qhorin Halfhand tracking the wildlings (the show screwed up this whole sequence because he got captured dealing with Ygritte rather than letting her go)
2) When Ghost is returning to Castle Black after Jon had split up from him because he had to climb The Wall.
Neither of these instances were in the show (that I can recall). Now, if they are going to show Jon warging in this episode I would hope they would show Arya doing at well earlier in the show (assuming Jon's death is the final scene of the season). Arya routinely has wolf dreams but also sees through the eyes of a cat.
Arya does not show signs of warging until she is blind, right?
If they wanted people talking about it until next season, they should have just gone with the Soprano's ending - screen fades to black, credits roll.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
It's another tip off that Jon is likely a Stark (Lyanna's son), maybe Targaryean (or both) - though they haven't really given evidence of Targaryeans warging in the show (or the books?). I suppose he could be the son of some random north/wildling woman too - that would be out of left field.
Didnt Jon warg before on the show?
1) When he is with Qhorin Halfhand tracking the wildlings (the show screwed up this whole sequence because he got captured dealing with Ygritte rather than letting her go)
2) When Ghost is returning to Castle Black after Jon had split up from him because he had to climb The Wall.
Neither of these instances were in the show (that I can recall). Now, if they are going to show Jon warging in this episode I would hope they would show Arya doing at well earlier in the show (assuming Jon's death is the final scene of the season). Arya routinely has wolf dreams but also sees through the eyes of a cat.
Arya does not show signs of warging until she is blind, right?
IIRC, she has the dreams thru Nymeria's eyes pretty frequently. Most obvious one I can remember is in Storm of Swords when Nymeria is pulling her mother's body out of the river.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I would like to see them showing Ollie move in to kill John, but one of the other brothers beats him to the punch.
I agree that having Ollie do it is clumsy and telegraphed, but in fairness it may seem that way because we know what is coming.
I agree that having Ollie do it is clumsy and telegraphed, but in fairness it may seem that way because we know what is coming.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
Right, she dreams through Nymeria quite a bit.
1) When she escapes Harrenhal she dreams Nymeria killing her pursuers.
2) Pulling Cat out the river.
3) In Braavos I know she dreams of Nymeria a few times - but I don't recall if she is blind at the time.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Nah. Maybe....Martin changes it because everyone's figured it out, but that wouldn't be smart on his part.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So what do we think, Jon wargs into ghost or some other animal or communes with Bran in some way. Has an epiphany while out of body and the red witch breathes life back into him? He then returns enlightened and his men follow him as a demigod?
Makes sense for the book but how do we get there in the show? Red witch is in the middle of nowhere and Davos is en route to the wall.
Makes sense for the book but how do we get there in the show? Red witch is in the middle of nowhere and Davos is en route to the wall.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I think he's had wolf dreams. The warging is a theory based on the prologue and nobody thinking Jon will be killed off.
Super King
Footballguy
Am I the only one excited for the internet meltdown that's going to ensue after Sunday's episode?
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Someone may have posted this earlier in this thread, but I've recently started reading the compilation of tweets for each episode over at Watchers On The Wall. These are real-time tweets as events happen each episode. Some are hilarious.
http://watchersonthewall.com/the-tweets-of-dragons/
http://watchersonthewall.com/the-tweets-of-dragons/
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Do we think a month passes between/during each episode?
strykerpks
Footballguy
Some interesting theories out there about Lady Stoneheart making an appearance on Sunday. I don't buy it but it would throw the non book readers for a loop, especially if Arya goes blind and Jon dies. That's a whole lot to take in
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think if they show Jon starting to warg, it will be easier to digest than what I assume the books left it at.
strykerpks
Footballguy
It's still a lot of "WTF" for the average viewer. As bad as the TV only thread is, most people are dumber.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I know I've asked this before...but it is everyone 100% of the opinion that Jon actually died when he's stabbed?
strykerpks
Footballguy
strykerpks
Footballguy
Upon first read, I was pissed and thought so. That was a year or two ago. Now not so much.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Similar. When I read it the first time I was pretty certain he died. Then my wife read it and said it was not so certain, and I now tend to agree with her having re-read it.
I always assumed he didn't die...or at least that he was still going to be around in some form...when Martin wants to kill someone, he kills someone.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
He left it way too vague for him.
Harry Manback
Footballguy
So apparently the previously on for this episode was leaked.
Benjen.
That is all.
Benjen.
That is all.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Except when he doesn't. (Catlyn)
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I don't think it's gonna happen, but I hope he comes back as warped as she did.Except when he doesn't. (Catlyn)
Interestingly, I think I saw a recent interview with Martin where he said Lady Stoneheart was not Caitlyn.Except when he doesn't. (Catlyn)
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
Isn't that nothing more than a "war changes a man" styled situation? He's not saying that Stoneheart (at least the body) isn't Cat...is he?Interestingly, I think I saw a recent interview with Martin where he said Lady Stoneheart was not Caitlyn.Except when he doesn't. (Catlyn)
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
They're "changed" but it's them.Interestingly, I think I saw a recent interview with Martin where he said Lady Stoneheart was not Caitlyn.ETA:Except when he doesn't. (Catlyn)
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So no warging there. Bull#### screen shot.
Might be how they open next season
Red witch brought back up there. She's bringjng him back.
Might be how they open next season
Red witch brought back up there. She's bringjng him back.
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babydemon90
Footballguy
Yea, figured that was why they had Melisandre return to Castle Black. No other real reason to have her go back there otherwise.
babydemon90
Footballguy
So, is there ANYTHING in the books ahead of the show now? Kevan Lannister killed, but they seemed to have skipped that whole scenario, along with all the Riverlands stuff. So, fluff here and there, but other then that, they're caught up.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
There was some scuttlebutt that the casting descriptions for next year involved The Riverlands. So maybe they're going with more of that next year.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/14/game-thrones-jon-dies-interview
Switching to the white walker fan club.
Switching to the white walker fan club.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Yea and the Kevan Lannister stuff will probably happen still. Plus Bran training and linking things together.
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