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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (5 Viewers)

Thunderlips said:
I don't think they'll find Rickon in the books....just like I don't think they'll find Benjen.  I think the showrunners, realizing that tv viewers need to tie up loose ends, morphed these characters into the show's storyline.  I think Benjen won't be heard of again and it will be Stannis dying on the field at the beginning of the Battle of the Bastards (probably burnt on a cross).  
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Benjen is Coldhands.  Always has been.  Unless I'm missing something, but I thought that was obvious from the first time he showed up in the books.

 
psychobillies said:
Benjen is Coldhands.  Always has been.  Unless I'm missing something, but I thought that was obvious from the first time he showed up in the books.
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Not necessarily.  In the books when Coldhands brings Bran yhe the Great Weirwood and they meet Leaf, Leaf says that "he has been dead a long time"  this has brought up the possibility that Coldhands is actually the Night's King.  

So u have that first thought that coldhands is Benjen but then you wiuld also think that Sam would have recognized Benjen or Bran would have as well.  

 
the moops said:
I have read maybe 50% of these books

Most of you folks are the worst, most unappreciative people in the world

i hope you die a death under a few hundred dothtraki cocks
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I get it, there are several people who think this show is the greatest in the history of history and we might as well not produce any more shows because it won't ever get better. 

I am pretty sure there is nobody in either thread that is not digging the series as a whole. I know it's shocking but people are watching the show for different things.  I talk to people who seem to get bored 70% of the time and would rather just have all episodes last Sundays.  Others couldn't care less about CGI dragons and zombies and like the acting and characters.  Others dig everything.  I don't know if every other TV show thread got to this point where everybody seems to be at odds with each other, but again, not sure there is anybody not enjoying the show.  Can't speak for others, but I poke around these boards to discuss stuff with people who seem to be passionate about similar topics/shows/etc..  Personally, I think it would be dull as hell if the thread was just post after post of "This is the best thing ever", "I got to see boobies last night", the "I don't know what is going on" shtick, "I can't believe how fantastically fantastic this show is".   I just assume everybody is enjoying the show or they would stop watching, can appreciate a good set of #### and a good beheading, so I would just rather discuss other stuff going with the plot. 

 
Gr00vus said:
I think that's the problem I'm having with the show now that they've outpaced the books. They're just taking the straightest paths to hit the highlights Martin gave them about how things wind down. While I myself have complained about how parts of the last book and a half meandered at times, some of those side trips and tangents are entertaining even if they don't always lie in the direct streams of the main plot points. The show has basically dispensed with any of that (look what they did to Dorne for instance, and 4 Theon scenes this whole season have taken him from getting Sansa out of Winterfell, to showing up after his father gets killed/sister looses kingsmoot/they go on the lamb, whore house interlude in Volantis, coming to an agreement with Danaerys in Mereen), and seem like they're running the 2 minute drill to the end game now. When you streamline that much, there's not a whole lot of room for interesting variation.
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100% this.  I get the feeling that they got the outline, have a countdown of how many shows they have left, and are getting the characters there in a straight line.  More and more we seems to be saying "it looks like in the next couple episodes x, y, and z will be happening" and sure enough, that is what we get.  I guess that was inevitable as soon as they decided they have 13 episodes left after this year (is that 100%), so we are going to go more into wind down mode instead of getting the side stuff and development that we got in the first few seasons.  Still very good overall, just have a touch of disappointment now.  It will be interesting to see after the fact (if we ever do) what Martin does with the last two books in comparison.  If I remember right, it seems we are still touching on stuff from book 5 now, so I guess they are getting through all the stuff from the mythical books 6 and 7 in just 13 episodes?

 
KarmaPolice said:
100% this.  I get the feeling that they got the outline, have a countdown of how many shows they have left, and are getting the characters there in a straight line.  More and more we seems to be saying "it looks like in the next couple episodes x, y, and z will be happening" and sure enough, that is what we get.  I guess that was inevitable as soon as they decided they have 13 episodes left after this year (is that 100%), so we are going to go more into wind down mode instead of getting the side stuff and development that we got in the first few seasons.  Still very good overall, just have a touch of disappointment now.  It will be interesting to see after the fact (if we ever do) what Martin does with the last two books in comparison.  If I remember right, it seems we are still touching on stuff from book 5 now, so I guess they are getting through all the stuff from the mythical books 6 and 7 in just 13 episodes?
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Of course the books are better. They always are. 

The showrunners are doing a great job. This season is light years better than season 5. 

We dont need more of araya or danny or tyrion meandering in essos. Its over. 

 
Bob Sacamano said:
Seems pretty unlikely in the books.
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Obviously, it's been a while since I read them, but I just always assumed that he was.  I was certain of it when he showed up on a big black horse with a hood covering his face and reached out to them with dead hands to rescue them in the show.  

Not arguing really, just must not remember the books as well as I thought.

 
psychobillies said:
Obviously, it's been a while since I read them, but I just always assumed that he was.  I was certain of it when he showed up on a big black horse with a hood covering his face and reached out to them with dead hands to rescue them in the show.  

Not arguing really, just must not remember the books as well as I thought.
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I thought it was Benjen until I read online that Martin had told his editors it wasn't. Who knows if Martin will stick with that. 

 
Stoneys said:
Not necessarily.  In the books when Coldhands brings Bran yhe the Great Weirwood and they meet Leaf, Leaf says that "he has been dead a long time"  this has brought up the possibility that Coldhands is actually the Night's King.  

So u have that first thought that coldhands is Benjen but then you wiuld also think that Sam would have recognized Benjen or Bran would have as well.  
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Assuming Benjen died near the beginning of the first book, he has been dead a long time. Several years before Bran reaches Bloodraven. Coldhands always hid his face from Bran and Sam arrived at The Wall after Benjen was already missing.

Thunderlips said:
I don't think they'll find Rickon in the books....just like I don't think they'll find Benjen.  I think the showrunners, realizing that tv viewers need to tie up loose ends, morphed these characters into the show's storyline.  I think Benjen won't be heard of again and it will be Stannis dying on the field at the beginning of the Battle of the Bastards (probably burnt on a cross).  
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I think they *have* to find Rickon. Manderly won't support Stannis without Rickon and Jojen's Green Dream can't be fulfilled unless there are some Starks remaining in Winterfell. Jon isn't a Stark. I think Bran is becoming part of a tree. The only male Stark left that can continue the line is Rickon.

 
Quez said:
Why didn't he kick?  He was basically just swatting at spears.
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I guess giants aren't trained warriors. When they're not fighting they still have to do things like farm and cook to survive. Maybe WunWun was just an overgrown farmer.

 
Scoresman said:
is there a tldr version?
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There's a theory that Robb thought his brothers were dead, so he wrote a will legitimizing Jon as a Stark to make him Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North in case he (Robb) died in the War of the Five Kings.  It was witnessed by Galbart Glover and Maege Mormont (who have pretty much fallen off the face of the earth in the books), Jason Mallister (imprisoned at Seagard), and Greatjon Umber (imprisoned at the Twins). 

The phrase The North Remembers, which is uttered frequently by the traditional Stark bannermen, is supposedly a nod to it.  The idea is that the Northern lords who were appalled by what the Freys and Boltons did at the Red Wedding, are waiting for Stannis and the Boltons to decimate each other's forces before joining together, revealing Jon as Robb's heir, and proclaiming him King (Warden?  I guess it would still be King.  Still a Bastaratheon on the throne) of the North and reunifying the bulk of the Northern Houses again under Stark rule. 

That Wyman Manderly now believe's Rickon is alive throws a bit of a wrench into the works, as Manderly would be a key player in all this.  Though nobody knows what Robb's will says or how it would play out after it was revealed with a natural born Stark son still alive.

 
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So much is different in the show that I can't believe it's something they'd pull out at this point. Just looking at the key players involved, we just saw Robett Glover instead of Galbart as the head of House Glover (assuming Galbart died), the Greatjon was said to be dead, and we know Lyanna is now head of House Mormont.  Wyman Manderly and Jason Mallister (afaik) have yet to make an appearance.  And it may have occurred, but I don't recall the show airing the conversation between Robb and Catelyn that occurred in the books that led to this theory in the first place.

 
sn0mm1s said:
Assuming Benjen died near the beginning of the first book, he has been dead a long time. Several years before Bran reaches Bloodraven. Coldhands always hid his face from Bran and Sam arrived at The Wall after Benjen was already missing.

I think they *have* to find Rickon. Manderly won't support Stannis without Rickon and Jojen's Green Dream can't be fulfilled unless there are some Starks remaining in Winterfell. Jon isn't a Stark. I think Bran is becoming part of a tree. The only male Stark left that can continue the line is Rickon.
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Do you think Ramsey's message at the end was legit?  If so, Manderly's support doesn't mean anything to Stannis. 

ETA:  Also, as far as Jojen's dream goes....was it a male Stark?  Arya and Sansa are still Starks.  

 
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Thunderlips said:
Do you think Ramsey's message at the end was legit?  If so, Manderly's support doesn't mean anything to Stannis. 
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I think he captured/questioned Mance and the spearwives - but that is all. Reek and Jeyne Poole are *with* Stannis. So, if Stannis was defeated, why would he not have them? Or Asha? It isn't like they could've run with the weather. 

 
sn0mm1s said:
I think he captured/questioned Mance and the spearwives - but that is all. Reek and Jeyne Poole are *with* Stannis. So, if Stannis was defeated, why would he not have them? Or Asha? It isn't like they could've run with the weather. 
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Much like I wouldn't expect the show to deviate much from the books in the first few seasons....I now don't expect the last two books to deviate much from the show.*  To that, Stannis is of minimal importance to the book story going forward....particularly with the Battle of the Bastards happening (which I'm assuming HAS to happen in the books).  To that, I wouldn't be surprised if Asha/Reek/Jeyne are all dead (or at the least barely surviving  as they're running ) from the battle in the book as the show as transposed them on other characters stories in the book (I certainly don't expect Theon and Yara to be petitioning Dany in the books......I'm assuming Euron will be doing that and I don't believe Jeyne has even remotely the same story going foreward as her show counterpart Sansa does).  

 Where do you see the book going?  

 
sn0mm1s said:
Assuming Benjen died near the beginning of the first book, he has been dead a long time. Several years before Bran reaches Bloodraven. Coldhands always hid his face from Bran and Sam arrived at The Wall after Benjen was already missing.

I think they *have* to find Rickon. Manderly won't support Stannis without Rickon and Jojen's Green Dream can't be fulfilled unless there are some Starks remaining in Winterfell. Jon isn't a Stark. I think Bran is becoming part of a tree. The only male Stark left that can continue the line is Rickon.
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I guess trying to figure out what leaf means by saying a long time ago. Is a few years a ling time compared to thousands? The night's king was the 13th lord commander of the Night's watch, Jeor Mormont was the 997th and jon snow the 998th (or there abouts).  

The show may have combined the night's king and benjen's characters, so while benjen is coldhands on the show he may not be coldhands in the books. 

Not saying im right, just my own thoughts from the books to the show to the theories/extras from the leading websites histories 

 
Thunderlips said:
Much like I wouldn't expect the show to deviate much from the books in the first few seasons....I now don't expect the last two books to deviate much from the show.*  To that, Stannis is of minimal importance to the book story going forward....particularly with the Battle of the Bastards happening (which I'm assuming HAS to happen in the books).  To that, I wouldn't be surprised if Asha/Reek/Jeyne are all dead (or at the least barely surviving  as they're running ) from the battle in the book as the show as transposed them on other characters stories in the book (I certainly don't expect Theon and Yara to be petitioning Dany in the books......I'm assuming Euron will be doing that and I don't believe Jeyne has even remotely the same story going foreward as her show counterpart Sansa does).  

 Where do you see the book going?  
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Stannis could have sent them north with Davos.  Unless Asha and Theon get 100 ships from somewhere, I don't think they have much bargaining power with Daenerys.

I could see Rickon ending up in Winterfell, and that being the impetus for Sansa going to the wall to get Jon to save Rickon, and then requesting Robin/Littlefinger to send the Knights of the Vale. :shrug:

Somehow I am guessing the book ends up with Jon and Sansa at Winterfell, having been saved by Littlefinger, and thus owing a debt.  Arya will complete her training in Bravos, and then make it back to Westeros where she begins crossing names off her list.  I hope she ends up with the Brotherhood without Banners, but she seems more like a solo artist.  I still can't see her living happily ever after - maybe she does just set sail for west of Westeros.

 
Thunderlips said:
Much like I wouldn't expect the show to deviate much from the books in the first few seasons....I now don't expect the last two books to deviate much from the show.*  To that, Stannis is of minimal importance to the book story going forward....particularly with the Battle of the Bastards happening (which I'm assuming HAS to happen in the books).  To that, I wouldn't be surprised if Asha/Reek/Jeyne are all dead (or at the least barely surviving  as they're running ) from the battle in the book as the show as transposed them on other characters stories in the book (I certainly don't expect Theon and Yara to be petitioning Dany in the books......I'm assuming Euron will be doing that and I don't believe Jeyne has even remotely the same story going foreward as her show counterpart Sansa does).  

 Where do you see the book going?  
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The show is already significantly different from the books though. I am sure Stannis will die at some point since Jon is likely Azor Ahai or PWP. If legitimate, Jon has a greater claim to the Iron Throne than Dany does.

Victarion will be petitioning Dany, and trying to backstab his brother.

Asha will likely be using Theon to try to nullify the results of the Kingsmoot.

Stoneys said:
I guess trying to figure out what leaf means by saying a long time ago. Is a few years a ling time compared to thousands? The night's king was the 13th lord commander of the Night's watch, Jeor Mormont was the 997th and jon snow the 998th (or there abouts).  

The show may have combined the night's king and benjen's characters, so while benjen is coldhands on the show he may not be coldhands in the books. 

Not saying im right, just my own thoughts from the books to the show to the theories/extras from the leading websites histories 
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Yeah, I just don't think, based on the books, that we can rule out Coldhands as Benjen. 

 
sn0mm1s said:
The show is already significantly different from the books though. I am sure Stannis will die at some point since Jon is likely Azor Ahai or PWP. If legitimate, Jon has a greater claim to the Iron Throne than Dany does.

Victarion will be petitioning Dany, and trying to backstab his brother.

Asha will likely be using Theon to try to nullify the results of the Kingsmoot.

Yeah, I just don't think, based on the books, that we can rule out Coldhands as Benjen. 
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Yeah.  I guess that is why there are theories on his identity 

 
All I know is, if I were Jon, there's no way I'd have stopped whaling on Ramsay until his head was pulp. Might have kept going for a while after that too.

 
What did Ramsey mean when he said he's a part of her now?  

A buddy of mine thinks she has a ******* in her belly.

He said she also mentioned to Littlefinger about still being able to feel Ramsey...preggers?  

 
I hope this season is making people realize how great Crows and Dragons actually were. Those meandering stories and character development and all the details about everything are what make the series special. The showrunners just sprinting through the outline points has made for some exciting moments, but the overall show and story has suffered a lot. Still great, but now it's more summer blockbuster than drama. 

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
I hope this season is making people realize how great Crows and Dragons actually were. Those meandering stories and character development and all the details about everything are what make the series special. The showrunners just sprinting through the outline points has made for some exciting moments, but the overall show and story has suffered a lot. Still great, but now it's more summer blockbuster than drama. 
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Great way to summarize it, and yeah, it has been making me want to start up on the books again soon. 

 
There's also this moment where she almost look away as Ramsey's dogs attach his ####### face.  But then doesn't.  She turns back and watches.  I think this is very akin to Jon telling Bran to watch as the Night's Watch deserter is beheaded in the beginning of the series.  It's the Stark way.  Then again, she smirks as she's leaving too so maybe she's just a crazy ginger now.  

http://i.imgur.com/ayk5DwK.gifv

 
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