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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (3 Viewers)

JerseyToughGuys said:
so much for the Jeyne Westerling is alive and pregnant speculation.
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:kicksrock: seems like that would be something to keep ambiguous to keep people guessing/talking, but I suppose there is no future Little Ned in the next couple of books, so might as well close the loop and keep people from expecting it.
 
Come to think of it, I assume one of the living Stark children, and/or Jon will eventually lay claim to Winterfell. If Robb had an heir, that claim would be better than his Sansa, Bran, Rickon or Arya.

 
I don't think I've ever been so nervous watching television. My heart was racing as soon as the bedding ceremony started.

 
I love the show but I think it has some issue with suspense. The red wedding seemed telegraphed to me and I don't think they ever sold Jon snow as having a remote chance of not turning on the wildlings

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I love the show but I think it has some issue with suspense. The red wedding seemed telegraphed to me and I don't think they ever sold Jon snow as having a remote chance of not turning on the wildlings
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I think the reaction of the non book readers says otherwise. There is a lot of foreshadowing but you really only seem to pick it all up if you have read the books.
 
Doubtingthomas said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I love the show but I think it has some issue with suspense. The red wedding seemed telegraphed to me and I don't think they ever sold Jon snow as having a remote chance of not turning on the wildlings
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I think the reaction of the non book readers says otherwise. There is a lot of foreshadowing but you really only seem to pick it all up if you have read the books.
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I meant how they showed "previously on got" the scene where cat says Frey wanted a king etc and then the camera stays on her as the door closes, they show the wolf acting up, the show soldiers running around, and then frey's little speech. I think its more effective had the song just started and #### went down.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I love the show but I think it has some issue with suspense. The red wedding seemed telegraphed to me and I don't think they ever sold Jon snow as having a remote chance of not turning on the wildlings
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I don't agree fully with the Red Wedding. I think they did a pretty good job of setting that one up. I think if there was one mistake they made (but is was hidden more b/c of the week off) it was having the two weddings back to back. Sort of felt like since one went off without a hitch, the other one was doomed somehow - although I don't think non book readers were expecting the extent of the carnage.

I do agree with Jon a lot more. It was a thankless task trying to portray his inner turmoil from the book onscreen, and I do think they fell short. That scene was a lot less exciting than I was expecting.

To me a couple characters they whiffed on this season vs. the book were Jon and Sam. Sam seems utterly worthless and annoying in the show, but wasn't quite to that level in the book.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Doubtingthomas said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I love the show but I think it has some issue with suspense. The red wedding seemed telegraphed to me and I don't think they ever sold Jon snow as having a remote chance of not turning on the wildlings
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I think the reaction of the non book readers says otherwise. There is a lot of foreshadowing but you really only seem to pick it all up if you have read the books.
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I meant how they showed "previously on got" the scene where cat says Frey wanted a king etc and then the camera stays on her as the door closes, they show the wolf acting up, the show soldiers running around, and then frey's little speech. I think its more effective had the song just started and #### went down.
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Gotcha - yeah the slo mo Cat reaction was a tad heavy handed. Maybe have her turn and shout as an arrow lands in Robb?

Still a damn effective scene.

 
Is their a thread where those who are current on the books can discuss the show without regards to spoilers? I don't understand the need for spoilers tags in this thread.

 
Really, there wouldn't even be a book discussion without the HBO series. It wouldnt have enough interest.

Like LOTR and the Hobbit didnt/dont have their own (busy) thread.

Thus the need for spoilers.

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
I love the show but I think it has some issue with suspense. The red wedding seemed telegraphed to me and I don't think they ever sold Jon snow as having a remote chance of not turning on the wildlings
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Gotta disagree....was obvious for us book readers, but most of the non-book readers didn't have a clue what was about to happen until it was happening. I thought it was well done for the most part.

 
renesauz said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I love the show but I think it has some issue with suspense. The red wedding seemed telegraphed to me and I don't think they ever sold Jon snow as having a remote chance of not turning on the wildlings
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Gotta disagree....was obvious for us book readers, but most of the non-book readers didn't have a clue what was about to happen until it was happening. I thought it was well done for the most part.
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They knew SOMEthing was going down. I'd just have rather it been BOOM total shock.
 
Been waiting for this episode since the tv show first started, did not disappoint. My only minor complaints would be the Jon Snow scene as others mentioned (didn't even attempt to take Ygritte with him, kind of dumb just like Sam just dropping and leaving the dragon glass dagger behind), not leaving Arya getting knocked out more ambiguous (since in the book you don't know at first whether she survived or not,) and I would have liked to have seen Grey Wind get loose and rip some arms off before they put him down.

The stabbing in the belly was brutal and a nice tv show addition.

Guesses at the final scene of season3?

Trying to think of what it could be and thought of 2 possibilites:1) They show Cat's body being dumped in the river early on and the final scene is the Bortherhood finding her body and Beric transferring his 'life force' to hers.2) Jon gets back to the Watch and no one believes him about the Wilding army coming to attack. Until the final scene when they climb to the top of the wall and pan out to see thousands of troops/campfires.
 
The Arya knockout was a cheap cliffhanger in the books, and would've been much harder to leave ambiguous in the show than in the books. Never expected them to try to fake us out.

 
Buckna said:
My only minor complaints would be the Jon Snow scene as others mentioned (didn't even attempt to take Ygritte with him, kind of dumb
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Well, what would he do with her even if she did come with him? If he goes back to the Night's Watch he can't keep her as a wife. She's probably better off with the wildlings than trying to integrate into feudal society.

 
Abrantes said:
The Arya knockout was a cheap cliffhanger in the books, and would've been much harder to leave ambiguous in the show than in the books. Never expected them to try to fake us out.
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I was expecting the last scene of the episode to be her running away from the camp (toward the camera) with the Stark bannermen all on fire (a neat detail they left out, with the oil soaked tents)... and then you see the Hound take a swipe at her with an axe before everything goes black.

 
bonesman said:
Abrantes said:
The Arya knockout was a cheap cliffhanger in the books, and would've been much harder to leave ambiguous in the show than in the books. Never expected them to try to fake us out.
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I was expecting the last scene of the episode to be her running away from the camp (toward the camera) with the Stark bannermen all on fire (a neat detail they left out, with the oil soaked tents)... and then you see the Hound take a swipe at her with an axe before everything goes black.
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I think we see the fires next episode. I really do not know how they will end things next week.

Having watched again, twice, I think it worked very well. Westeros.org is whining way too much about the episode because they are obsessed with minute details of Cat Stark's portrayal.

One quibble though: why show Ramsay flay Theon's finger and not have Roose give it to Robb as a present?

 
KarmaPolice said:
I do agree with Jon a lot more. It was a thankless task trying to portray his inner turmoil from the book onscreen, and I do think they fell short. That scene was a lot less exciting than I was expecting.
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Do you think this was done purposely or is that guy just a bad actor? Seems to have the same expression on his face no matter what.

 
CBusAlex said:
Buckna said:
My only minor complaints would be the Jon Snow scene as others mentioned (didn't even attempt to take Ygritte with him, kind of dumb
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Well, what would he do with her even if she did come with him? If he goes back to the Night's Watch he can't keep her as a wife. She's probably better off with the wildlings than trying to integrate into feudal society.
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Expected at least some cursury longing glance they shared or something before he kicked his horse and took off. Something that showed he was more conflicted about it. Along the lines of what was mentioned in the other posts about his "inner struggle" as portrayed in the book. As I said, only a minor complaint.

I imagine we will see these two meet up again early next season as I don't expect the assault on Castle Black to come up in the last hour. I have a feeling they will modify Ygritte's fate quite a bit for the show. No dying off camera so to speak.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
bonesman said:
Abrantes said:
The Arya knockout was a cheap cliffhanger in the books, and would've been much harder to leave ambiguous in the show than in the books. Never expected them to try to fake us out.
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I was expecting the last scene of the episode to be her running away from the camp (toward the camera) with the Stark bannermen all on fire (a neat detail they left out, with the oil soaked tents)... and then you see the Hound take a swipe at her with an axe before everything goes black.
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I think we see the fires next episode. I really do not know how they will end things next week.

Having watched again, twice, I think it worked very well. Westeros.org is whining way too much about the episode because they are obsessed with minute details of Cat Stark's portrayal.

One quibble though: why show Ramsay flay Theon's finger and not have Roose give it to Robb as a present?
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Yea... I thought that's why we got all that torture stuff was to make that moment of the gift have more impact. Big shrug there. Maybe they bring it back around somehow like you think they might do with the fires.

I thought the departure of super depressed Cat to optimistic Cat worked out great for TV. Definitely better than if she was moping around the whole time. Made it that more tragic.

The acting on her death was phenomenal and definitely had some foreshadowing to it.

There really are no "throw away" scenes in this show. Ok... maybe the Littlefinger school of Lesbianism. Everything else is significant and is leading to something.

 
shuke said:
KarmaPolice said:
I do agree with Jon a lot more. It was a thankless task trying to portray his inner turmoil from the book onscreen, and I do think they fell short. That scene was a lot less exciting than I was expecting.
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Do you think this was done purposely or is that guy just a bad actor? Seems to have the same expression on his face no matter what.
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both? I don't think he is the strongest actor of the bunch. however, a lot of his turmoil was internal and he doesn'thave anybody to talk to. at least littlefinger has naked whores to bounce his monologues off of.
 
I don't think this whole red wedding thing was telegraphed at all. My wife and I were totally blindsided and stunned. Bone chilling.

 
Hodor said:
Why even have the blackfish attend the wedding? The bathroom break was kind of lame imo
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I felt the same.

For a while I was worried they might kill him off too. He might still be dead in the show, but I doubt it. If he isn't dead I guess they kept him around just to keep the character somewhat in the foreground. He hasn't had a ton of screen time yet, and if they left him out of the last few episodes (because he stayed behind at Riverrun) show only people might have lost touch with/forgotten who he is by the time they had to reintroduce him next season. Also he got to deliver a few pithy one-liners and emphasize his salty old warrior character. He probably gets some sort of semi-daring escape scene next week, further demonstrating his bad-assness and giving viewers at least some hope for an agent of Stark retribution. When you think about it, most in the Stark camp are dire stick in the muds - he at least gives some color to that group.
 
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