KarmaPolice
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I get that it cant be as subtle but it just feels like between tonight and last week about the necklace they don't trust the audience to put anything together.
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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)
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So many story lines going right now, you only get a scene or two each week, it's hard to expect a tv audience, to keep track of everything from week to week, let alone over several seasons. I expect many of the tv audience had long forgotten Jon Arryn, and the role he played in bringing Ned Stark to kings landing. When was the last time Tyrion did not get any screen time?
Nick Vermeil
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If I recall, the reveal if Jon Aryn's true killer was pretty much the same in the book. I was ok with Littlefinger killing Lisa then too.
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flysack
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I didn't recall this at all. Maybe I'm being daft (I read the majority of the books in a three week delirium while suffering from a nasty flu), but I never thought Littlefinger convinced Lyssa to poison her husband and B.S. the letter to Cat. I always thought it was one of Cersei or Jaimee's servants who did it to protect their incest, and Littlefinger just made the most of the opportunity by trying to frame Tyrion and later marrying Lyssa.
Anyone else read that as well? Or was I really that hopped up on Dayquil and missed the whole thing...?
When I read what they did in the episode last night, I thought, yep, another wild divergence from the books.
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Mister Martie
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In the books, she spills the beans right before Littlefinger pushes her out the moon door.
Tears, tears, tears, she sobbed hysterically. No need for tears but thats not what you said in Kings Landing. You told me to put the tears in Jons wine, and I did. For Robert, and for us! And I wrote Catelyn and told her the Lannisters had killed my lord husband, just as you said.
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Hot Diggity Dog
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Three way?
John Bender
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Really good episode.
Didn't advance past the books in anything and resolved last week's upheaval re: being ahead of the books, quickly and excitingly. My favorite of the season.
Didn't advance past the books in anything and resolved last week's upheaval re: being ahead of the books, quickly and excitingly. My favorite of the season.
sn0mm1s
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That is all revealed in the books after Lysa is about to toss Sansa out the Moon Door and instead Littlefinger tosses Lysa out. Most of the conversations that we saw in the Eyrie more or less happen - just at different times.
In the books, Lysa didn't immediately know that Sansa was Sansa
Lysa's confrontation with Sansa regarding why Littlefinger likes her occurs after Littlefinger kisses Sansa.
The reveal of who killed Jon Arryn happens while Littlefinger is calming down Lysa after she was about to kill Sansa.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yeah that little diversion was no big deal.John Bender said:
I expect more of it coming in the future, looks like Stannis visits Bravos to me and meets with the Iron Bank next week
Gr00vus
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I always enjoy the Arya/Hound scenes. Too bad those end sometime soon.
Given the resolution, I'm really not understanding the need for the whole invented meet at Craster's diversion. The only thing it seemed to offer that the books didn't was a more pronounced incident of Bran controlling Hodor.
Bran really needs a haircut.
More evidence in this episode that Sophie Turner has become the most beautiful of the female cast members.
Given the resolution, I'm really not understanding the need for the whole invented meet at Craster's diversion. The only thing it seemed to offer that the books didn't was a more pronounced incident of Bran controlling Hodor.
Bran really needs a haircut.
More evidence in this episode that Sophie Turner has become the most beautiful of the female cast members.
I'm assuming the Craster scene is also setting up Jon's transformation into the commander of the Night's Watch.
Mister Martie
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I think they also used it as a way to pause Bran for a bit. 538 had an interesting article today about how much of the source material is left to be covered. Per their analysis, Bran only has 3 chapters left that haven't been covered already by the show.Sophie Turner is absolutely smoking - especially so last night.
Bigboy10182000
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After last night with the Hound I was hoping they find a way to extend them being together through this season if possible.
I guess the drama of the Bran and Jon situation, releasing Ghost and Jon taking the next step as a leader as well. On the show, was it known he was held by the ones at Crasters?
Totally agree about Sophie, just gorgeous! Was she supposed to wed the young milk drinker in the books too?
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Gr00vus
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Jon didn't know that Bran & company were at Craster's in the show.
I don't recall if there was any plan in the books for Sansa to marry Robin. It seemed pretty obvious that Littlefinger wants Sansa for himself for multiple reasons in the books, so if there was any mention of her marrying Robin I didn't pay much attention to it.
I don't recall if there was any plan in the books for Sansa to marry Robin. It seemed pretty obvious that Littlefinger wants Sansa for himself for multiple reasons in the books, so if there was any mention of her marrying Robin I didn't pay much attention to it.
Gr00vus
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I thought Cold Hands was going to show up there too. Maybe they'll still introduce him later on.
KarmaPolice
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1. loved the look he gives her when she says his name.
2. was the only scene that happens in the books when they were in the tower during the storm?
3. yes
4. I think dany looked fantastic on the balcony and would take her friend missandei over sansa too.
massraider
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Gr00vus
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I think it's implied as the books go on that Bran controls Hodor on other occasions too, but IIRC that scene in the book is the only time it's explicitly depicted.
In the show they definitely tart Emilia Clarke and the actress playing Missandei up a bit more, and they show much more skin than Sophie Turner (which is good since she's been a minor for much of the show - sorry Homer J.), but there are these scenes where Turner's face is stunning in a way that I don't think any of the other actresses have matched. In this last one the scene where she put the cowl up on her head was one such.
In the show they definitely tart Emilia Clarke and the actress playing Missandei up a bit more, and they show much more skin than Sophie Turner (which is good since she's been a minor for much of the show - sorry Homer J.), but there are these scenes where Turner's face is stunning in a way that I don't think any of the other actresses have matched. In this last one the scene where she put the cowl up on her head was one such.
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Psychopav
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Any idea why Bran told Hodor to go release Summer instead of Ghost? Or were they both pinned up there (and I forgot)?
Gr00vus
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They were both there at that point. The whole cause of the diversion was because Bran got Summer trapped when he was controlling Summer and found Ghost caged up.
Psychopav
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Gr00vus
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I think they just assume Varys or LIttlefinger did it, but it suits their ends fine and things work out such that it's not even really an issue anymore so they don't care.
sn0mm1s
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IIRC, Bran only controls Hodor once until he reaches Bloodraven/Brynden Rivers/Three Eyed Crow (in the tower to get him to shut up). Bran has a thing for Meera Reed and he follows her around with Hodor in the caves under the weirwoods. He even remarks how easy it is because he just has to say "Hodor" from time to time.
Lysa wants to have Sansa marry Robert (Robin in the TV show). She mentions this when she asked if Tyrion ever forced himself on her. Instead of saying that Tyrion was kind (she knows Lysa won't like that response) Sansa says that Tyrion had whores that he slept with instead. Lysa is happy with that because she doesn't want Robert to have Tyrion's leavings.
Not sure what they did with the singer that will be the witness to Lysa's murder. I don't think we have seen any Kettleblacks (father or son).
I am hoping Arya doesn't kill the Hound. At this point in the books she has left him already.
Lysa wants to have Sansa marry Robert (Robin in the TV show). She mentions this when she asked if Tyrion ever forced himself on her. Instead of saying that Tyrion was kind (she knows Lysa won't like that response) Sansa says that Tyrion had whores that he slept with instead. Lysa is happy with that because she doesn't want Robert to have Tyrion's leavings.
Not sure what they did with the singer that will be the witness to Lysa's murder. I don't think we have seen any Kettleblacks (father or son).
I am hoping Arya doesn't kill the Hound. At this point in the books she has left him already.
Bigboy10182000
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Kraft...
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sn0mm1s
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CBusAlex
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IIRC, the effects of the poison mimic death by natural causes, so it's possible the Lannisters don't even know he was murdered. The only reason Ned started investigating was that letter Lysa sent to Cat.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I'm wondering if they'll make Arya "kill" him or maybe have her leave him after the fight with Beric...
Thunderlips
Footballguy
He already fought Dondarrion. The Hound was supposed to get injured badly in the fight in the Inn and she leaves him on the side of the road to die.
Where they might change it up is that after he dies.....one of the guys who cut Jamie's hand off gets his helmet and people think that The Hound is still around.
Gr00vus
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The Mountain gets zombied. The Hound (recovered or perhaps zombified) may or may not have become a large gravedigger at that seaside holy sanctuary rest stop place Brienne visits in her many, many, many, many boring meanderings.
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flysack
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Gr00vus
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You probably have it backwards. The Mountain is either straight dead, or he's become a zombie named Robert Strong. The Hound may or may not have recovered and is now working as a grave digger on the Quiet Isle.
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Bigboy10182000
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flysack
Footballguy
Yep. Nearly sliced his left side off. The sword cut from his shoulder to his chest.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Totally forgot about that episode, thanks!
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Brienne haters should go back and read her story all at once. It's actually much better when you're not looking at it as an unwanted interruption to the plots you care about more.
kentric
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that your assumption may not be correct. Most people are Brienne haters because her character is unbelievably dull. Dull characters don't typically get much of a fan following.
eta: unless there are some mitigants such as the actor is totally hot. We can scratch the Brienne character off on that score.
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JerseyToughGuys
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ya, you missed itflysack said:
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
agreewdcrob said:
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Brienne the character is boring. Mulelike, stubborn, single-minded, uninterested -- but also brave loyal, determined and dutiful. She's completely heroic.
And a fair bit of her story is quieter too, but I thought the scenes with the wandering monk(?) and the Quiet Isle(?) were fantastic -- especially when he talked of what war was like for the common folk.
And a fair bit of her story is quieter too, but I thought the scenes with the wandering monk(?) and the Quiet Isle(?) were fantastic -- especially when he talked of what war was like for the common folk.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
that, and the entire story line is chocked full of gallons of irony.
Duty/Honor
ya, that works out well.
Duty/Honor
ya, that works out well.
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