HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (1 Viewer)

[sn0mm1s]

Does anyone besides the "T.V. only" ladies care that much about being "spoiled"?...particularly after years of speculation and fan fiction......

Plot wise - not really. Anyone who has been reading since the series started is likely very familiar with the theories regarding how the series will end. The readers will have issues with major deaths or a crazy plot twist. If, at the end of season 5, we have Jaime, Sansa, Arya, and say Stannis all dead (and the Winds of Winter isn't released) I think the book readers will be pretty annoyed.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Does anyone besides the "T.V. only" ladies care that much about being "spoiled"?...particularly after years of speculation and fan fiction......

Plot wise - not really. Anyone who has been reading since the series started is likely very familiar with the theories regarding how the series will end. The readers will have issues with major deaths or a crazy plot twist. If, at the end of season 5, we have Jaime, Sansa, Arya, and say Stannis all dead (and the Winds of Winter isn't released) I think the book readers will be pretty annoyed.

I agree. I dont think it will be anything major.

 

[parrot]

Part of me wonders if he'll ever finish the books.

Yup, I don't care if the show moves ahead because that may be the only ending we ever get.

 

[Thunderlips]

Part of me wonders if he'll ever finish the books.

Yup, I don't care if the show moves ahead because that may be the only ending we ever get.

This is kind of how I see it...

Nevertheless, I'm going to hate it when I don't watch the show Sun. night, come in here Mon. only to be spoiled by some newbie, Johnny Come Lately, TV watcher who actually has the balls to spoil stuff in our thread!...I HATE THOSE TV PEOPLE!!!!!

 

[Sabertooth]

That sucks.

Like really sucks.

I disagree. Martin has taken 20 years so far. He's had plenty of time but he just isn't a fast writer. Let HBO handle it from here and we can go back and read them later, if ever.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

That sucks.

Like really sucks.

I disagree. Martin has taken 20 years so far. He's had plenty of time but he just isn't a fast writer. Let HBO handle it from here and we can go back and read them later, if ever.

I just wonder if the liberties that the show runners take will impact what GRRM writes. Or on the other hand, if they end up being very different from each other given the show runners have an outline or know how things end up, and GRRM may meander and evolve the story differently but for the overarching theme/end.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Considering that I think that the show's departures from the books are almost uniformly superior, I'm totally cool with this.

 

[Sinn Fein]

That sucks.

Like really sucks.

I disagree. Martin has taken 20 years so far. He's had plenty of time but he just isn't a fast writer. Let HBO handle it from here and we can go back and read them later, if ever.

I just wonder if the liberties that the show runners take will impact what GRRM writes. Or on the other hand, if they end up being very different from each other given the show runners have an outline or know how things end up, and GRRM may meander and evolve the story differently but for the overarching theme/end.

If HBO finishes the story - the books won't matter much, and its possible that people like the HBO version, and won't care, or will overly critique Martin's version....

 

[Gr00vus]

I think it's an interesting twist actually, breaking the mold of movies/shows adapting fully finished literature. I'll still read the books as they'll have tons more detail and exposition - should they ever come out.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

GRRM has always said the books are the books and the show is the show.

of course the big ending will be spoiled when the show reaches it and the 7th book is not out yet.

but to someone elses point, Jon Snows parentage isnt even on the radar of the show viewer. Maybe if/when he becomes Azhor Ahai then it will, shrug

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Tons of Fun should just stop writing the books altogether, just to #### with everyone.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

Tons of Fun should just stop writing the books altogether, just to #### with everyone.

Pretty sure he's already doing this.

 

[PatsWillWin]

So is this the junioer varsity thread now?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So is this the junioer varsity thread now?

No definitions found.

 

[Psychopav]

I kinda love that everybody who was going to the non-book thread and ####ting on them is now in the same exact situation.

Ridiculous Internet Nerd Superiority: REVOKED

Not only that, but imagine the carnage when the TV watchers start posting in this thread, which is declared whine-free.

Not sure I follow - you think there are book readers who don't watch (or who won't watch going forward)?

I assumed that would happen, yes.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I kinda love that everybody who was going to the non-book thread and ####ting on them is now in the same exact situation.

Ridiculous Internet Nerd Superiority: REVOKED

Not only that, but imagine the carnage when the TV watchers start posting in this thread, which is declared whine-free.

Not sure I follow - you think there are book readers who don't watch (or who won't watch going forward)?

I assumed that would happen, yes.

Over on the fan sites, I've seen a lot of book readers threaten not to watch so that they don't get spoiled. We'll see if they can pull it off. They'll get bombed with teasers/spoilers at every major media outlet for whatever happened in the last episode. People will be posting "OMG! They killed Jaime!" on FB. I just don't know how you can hide from something for at least half a decade while waiting for the books to be done. At some point the spoilers aren't considered spoilers anymore - 5 years from now, you might stumble across a headline at EW.com like "Maisie Williams discusses how it felt to fall to her death off of a dragon in epic GOT finale and her recent Oscar win".

Anyway, I'm going to continue to watch. I can kind of fool myself, I think, into thinking that most of the twists in the show are "changes" from the (future) books. Hell, my dumb ### will probably forget half of them by the time Martin gets around to publishing them.

 

[Sabertooth]

Tons of Fun should just stop writing the books altogether, just to #### with everyone.

I thought he did already.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm totally watching the show every week when it airs.

 

[Abrantes]

The book purists are cracking me up already elsewhere with their heartbreak and I-won't-watch-'til-the-books-are-done outrage . Anyone could've seen this coming from a mile away. It's not news at all, despite the further confirmation. I'll still read Martin's novelizations years from now, but the show is good enough (and different enough) to be enjoyed on its own in the meantime.

 

[LBH]

Part of me wonders if he'll ever finish the books.

Yup, I don't care if the show moves ahead because that may be the only ending we ever get.

I agree. I read the first four books a long time before the tv show started and Im all for the show moving ahead of the books. Martin is the slowest writer I've ever had to deal with.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yup. Best thing that could have happened.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Why does GRRM get so touchy when folks are concerned that he may die before finishing the books? Doesn't he realize that he's fat and old?

 

[Sabertooth]

Lol.

 

[John Bender]

Why does GRRM get so touchy when folks are concerned that he may die before finishing the books? Doesn't he realize that he's fat and old?

I wonder how closely Brandon Sanderson follows GGRM's health.

 

[LBH]

Why does GRRM get so touchy when folks are concerned that he may die before finishing the books? Doesn't he realize that he's fat and old?

I wonder how closely Brandon Sanderson follows GGRM's health.

If only Martin could push out new books as fast as Sanderson

 

[Gr00vus]

Why does GRRM get so touchy when folks are concerned that he may die before finishing the books? Doesn't he realize that he's fat and old?

I wonder how closely Brandon Sanderson follows GGRM's health.

Pretty sure Sanderson set up gift memberships for GRRM to be enrolled in the "Prime Rib and Cake Icing Of The Month Day Club" several years ago.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Why does GRRM get so touchy when folks are concerned that he may die before finishing the books? Doesn't he realize that he's fat and old?

I wonder how closely Brandon Sanderson follows GGRM's health.

If only Martin could push out new books as fast as Sanderson

If only Martin could push out new books as fast as he pushes in twinkies.

 

[renesauz]

The book purists are cracking me up already elsewhere with their heartbreak and I-won't-watch-'til-the-books-are-done outrage . Anyone could've seen this coming from a mile away. It's not news at all, despite the further confirmation. I'll still read Martin's novelizations years from now, but the show is good enough (and different enough) to be enjoyed on its own in the meantime.

THIS!

 

[renesauz]

Why does GRRM get so touchy when folks are concerned that he may die before finishing the books? Doesn't he realize that he's fat and old?

I wonder how closely Brandon Sanderson follows GGRM's health.

Sanderson did a fantastic job wrapping up Jordan's work though, and did it at least a book and likely 2 more quickly to boot.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Its official... HBO will be moving ahead of the books: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/70831

I think Martin, and the publishers, will rue the day that people know what is going to happen before the books come out.They should have pushed harder on Martin to get the next book out - and ride the wave of popularity created by the show. Now, when the books do get out, there will be a collective

curious- which makes Martin more money?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Considering that I think that the show's departures from the books are almost uniformly superior, I'm totally cool with this.

This.

The last couple books have dragged and have soured me bit on the books. I am all for it, especially if HBO can find a way to spruce up some of the plot lines - you know, maybe have Dany actually do something?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Looks like we're going to need a Super Varsity Thread to discuss the most up-to-date goings-on in Westeros without people complaining about spoilers -- no books-only whiners!

 

[KarmaPolice]

The book purists are cracking me up already elsewhere with their heartbreak and I-won't-watch-'til-the-books-are-done outrage . Anyone could've seen this coming from a mile away. It's not news at all, despite the further confirmation. I'll still read Martin's novelizations years from now, but the show is good enough (and different enough) to be enjoyed on its own in the meantime.

Yep. 0 chance these nerds dont get spoiled. Might as well relax and enjoy the ride.

I read the first couple books after seeing the show and enjoyed them just fine.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I started off as someone who saw the show but had not read the books. I quickly then read the books and became someone who was ahead of the story as it was playing out on TV. I've enjoyed the whole experience the entire time.

 

[massraider]

Here's a spoiler: We're going to all be very sick of spoiler jokes very shortly.

 

[Barry]

I'll try and avoid spoilers. The show is a simple and watered down version of the books. to say the HBO version is superior reeks of hate directed at GM for being a slow writer and frustrating his readers.

the small minded have GM figured out. he's a lazy ungrateful writer who wants to make money while milking his fame as long as he can. and he's fat...FAT!

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

I'll try and avoid spoilers. The show is a simple and watered down version of the books. to say the HBO version is superior reeks of hate directed at GM for being a slow writer and frustrating his readers.

the small minded have GM figured out. he's a lazy ungrateful writer who wants to make money while milking his fame as long as he can. and he's fat...FAT!

 

[ScottNorwood]

The last 2 books weren't even that great. So whatevs.

 

[Sabertooth]

It's superior in that I don't have to wade through descriptions of lamprey pies and cleaning out the rushes.

 

[EYLive]

Woz needs to put GRRM in his death pool until the books are complete.

 

[(HULK)]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

 

[PatsWillWin]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

 

[(HULK)]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Tyrion has to get to Pentos and hang out with Illyrio a bit, travel with Grif and fakeTarg, become a slave/midget actor to I forget which mercenary group... just to catch up to Dany.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Tyrion has to get to Pentos and hang out with Illyrio a bit, travel with Grif and fakeTarg, become a slave/midget actor to I forget which mercenary group... just to catch up to Dany.

It looks like a lot of that is getting the axe.

 

[Sinn Fein]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Were they "together" or just in the same scene? Tyrion has his own fight at the pits, so he could have been at the pits for his fight, and stayed for Mormont's

 

[(HULK)]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Tyrion has to get to Pentos and hang out with Illyrio a bit, travel with Grif and fakeTarg, become a slave/midget actor to I forget which mercenary group... just to catch up to Dany.

It looks like a lot of that is getting the axe.

I don't know how it can be. Maybe the slave part could be skipped, but you need to establish with certainty that the spider and Illyrio are in cahoots, and you need to show fakeTarg and Grif too imo.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Considering that I think that the show's departures from the books are almost uniformly superior, I'm totally cool with this.

:unsubscribe:

 

[Thunderlips]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Tyrion has to get to Pentos and hang out with Illyrio a bit, travel with Grif and fakeTarg, become a slave/midget actor to I forget which mercenary group... just to catch up to Dany.

It looks like a lot of that is getting the axe.

I don't know how it can be. Maybe the slave part could be skipped, but you need to establish with certainty that the spider and Illyrio are in cahoots, and you need to show fakeTarg and Grif too imo.

If the young Targaryan isn't a real Targaryan....there's no real reason to have him in the show.

 

[Gr00vus]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Tyrion has to get to Pentos and hang out with Illyrio a bit, travel with Grif and fakeTarg, become a slave/midget actor to I forget which mercenary group... just to catch up to Dany.

It looks like a lot of that is getting the axe.

I don't know how it can be. Maybe the slave part could be skipped, but you need to establish with certainty that the spider and Illyrio are in cahoots, and you need to show fakeTarg and Grif too imo.

If the young Targaryan isn't a real Targaryan....there's no real reason to have him in the show.

Seeing Septa Lemore swim naked is reason enough. Here's hoping they cast Salma Hayek for that role.

 

[Sinn Fein]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Were they "together" or just in the same scene? Tyrion has his own fight at the pits, so he could have been at the pits for his fight, and stayed for Mormont's

Saw the pic - my guess is they have shifted his slave scenes/owners a bit, and that is why he was at the pit - it looks like he belongs to Hizdahr in that scene