HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)

[Kraft...]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Tyrion has to get to Pentos and hang out with Illyrio a bit, travel with Grif and fakeTarg, become a slave/midget actor to I forget which mercenary group... just to catch up to Dany.

It looks like a lot of that is getting the axe.

I don't know how it can be. Maybe the slave part could be skipped, but you need to establish with certainty that the spider and Illyrio are in cahoots, and you need to show fakeTarg and Grif too imo.

If the young Targaryan isn't a real Targaryan....there's no real reason to have him in the show.

Seeing Septa Lemore swim naked is reason enough. Here's hoping they cast Salma Hayek for that role.

Funny this is one of the first things I thought of too, her description in the books is pretty awesome

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Tyrion has to get to Pentos and hang out with Illyrio a bit, travel with Grif and fakeTarg, become a slave/midget actor to I forget which mercenary group... just to catch up to Dany.

It looks like a lot of that is getting the axe.

I don't know how it can be. Maybe the slave part could be skipped, but you need to establish with certainty that the spider and Illyrio are in cahoots, and you need to show fakeTarg and Grif too imo.

I doubt anyone who hasn't read the books even remembers who Illyrio is.

 

[DCThunder]

Griff has to get greyscale from saving Tyrion at the Bridge of Something...

 

[Abrantes]

Jon Connington is a decent character, but if his subplot must be sacrificed to spare us Penny, turtles and all of Tyrion's never-ending boat safari, well, so long, buddy.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Jon Connington is a decent character, but if his subplot must be sacrificed to spare us Penny, turtles and all of Tyrion's never-ending boat safari, well, so long, buddy.

I have to laugh at all these "they have to" posts about what the showrunners need to include. If they put everything in, the show would drag on and on.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Jon Connington is a decent character, but if his subplot must be sacrificed to spare us Penny, turtles and all of Tyrion's never-ending boat safari, well, so long, buddy.

I have to laugh at all these "they have to" posts about what the showrunners need to include. If they put everything in, the show would drag on and on.

It's done with the books, too. "Dany has to get to Westeros by ____" or "Jon has to know who his parents really were". Really? Why? Not saying either won't happen, but there's no reason why Martin HAS to do them, either.

 

[DCThunder]

Jon Connington is a decent character, but if his subplot must be sacrificed to spare us Penny, turtles and all of Tyrion's never-ending boat safari, well, so long, buddy.

The "Old Man of the River" seemed pretty cool, for a giant turtle, that is...

 

[KarmaPolice]

Jon Connington is a decent character, but if his subplot must be sacrificed to spare us Penny, turtles and all of Tyrion's never-ending boat safari, well, so long, buddy.

I have to laugh at all these "they have to" posts about what the showrunners need to include. If they put everything in, the show would drag on and on.

It's done with the books, too. "Dany has to get to Westeros by ____" or "Jon has to know who his parents really were". Really? Why? Not saying either won't happen, but there's no reason why Martin HAS to do them, either.

I get the compulsion with the fans, but yeah - there is nothing they "have" to do just to please us.

I am still not convinced GRRM knows wtf he is going to do with Dany. She is damn near exactly where she was 5 books ago, but with a dragon she can't seem to control.

 

[Thunderlips]

Jon Connington is a decent character, but if his subplot must be sacrificed to spare us Penny, turtles and all of Tyrion's never-ending boat safari, well, so long, buddy.

I have to laugh at all these "they have to" posts about what the showrunners need to include. If they put everything in, the show would drag on and on.

It's done with the books, too. "Dany has to get to Westeros by ____" or "Jon has to know who his parents really were". Really? Why? Not saying either won't happen, but there's no reason why Martin HAS to do them, either.

I get the compulsion with the fans, but yeah - there is nothing they "have" to do just to please us.

I am still not convinced GRRM knows wtf he is going to do with Dany. She is damn near exactly where she was 5 books ago, but with a dragon she can't seem to control.

Whatever she does...she's probably going to have to rectify her situation with Khal Jhogo pretty quick.

 

[Kraft...]

Jon Connington is a decent character, but if his subplot must be sacrificed to spare us Penny, turtles and all of Tyrion's never-ending boat safari, well, so long, buddy.

I have to laugh at all these "they have to" posts about what the showrunners need to include. If they put everything in, the show would drag on and on.

It's done with the books, too. "Dany has to get to Westeros by ____" or "Jon has to know who his parents really were". Really? Why? Not saying either won't happen, but there's no reason why Martin HAS to do them, either.

I get the compulsion with the fans, but yeah - there is nothing they "have" to do just to please us.

I am still not convinced GRRM knows wtf he is going to do with Dany. She is damn near exactly where she was 5 books ago, but with a dragon she can't seem to control.

Whatever she does...she's probably going to have to rectify her situation with Khal Jhogo pretty quick.

I always assumed she would kill him(or Drogon would) and she would show up somewhere with the army under her control

 

[KarmaPolice]

Jon Connington is a decent character, but if his subplot must be sacrificed to spare us Penny, turtles and all of Tyrion's never-ending boat safari, well, so long, buddy.

I have to laugh at all these "they have to" posts about what the showrunners need to include. If they put everything in, the show would drag on and on.

It's done with the books, too. "Dany has to get to Westeros by ____" or "Jon has to know who his parents really were". Really? Why? Not saying either won't happen, but there's no reason why Martin HAS to do them, either.

I get the compulsion with the fans, but yeah - there is nothing they "have" to do just to please us.

I am still not convinced GRRM knows wtf he is going to do with Dany. She is damn near exactly where she was 5 books ago, but with a dragon she can't seem to control.

Whatever she does...she's probably going to have to rectify her situation with Khal Jhogo pretty quick.

I always assumed she would kill him(or Drogon would) and she would show up somewhere with the army under her control

Great, so we would be back to her in control of a dothraki army that wont cross the sea? Again, back to where we were 5 books ago.

 

[DCThunder]

Has the TV show done Ceresi's Walk of Shame yet?

 

[Kraft...]

Has the TV show done Ceresi's Walk of Shame yet?

nope, coming this season

 

[Tom Hagen]

Jon Connington is a decent character, but if his subplot must be sacrificed to spare us Penny, turtles and all of Tyrion's never-ending boat safari, well, so long, buddy.

I have to laugh at all these "they have to" posts about what the showrunners need to include. If they put everything in, the show would drag on and on.

It's done with the books, too. "Dany has to get to Westeros by ____" or "Jon has to know who his parents really were". Really? Why? Not saying either won't happen, but there's no reason why Martin HAS to do them, either.

I get the compulsion with the fans, but yeah - there is nothing they "have" to do just to please us.

I am still not convinced GRRM knows wtf he is going to do with Dany. She is damn near exactly where she was 5 books ago, but with a dragon she can't seem to control.

Part of me thinks it would be funny if GRRM resolves all the major storylines in Westeros without her and ends the series with her negotiating property disputes in Mereen.

 

[Swing 51]

Has the TV show done Ceresi's Walk of Shame yet?

nope, coming this season

This confirmed? A bit early. Tho Lena Headey (Cersai actress) is pregnant thought I read.

 

[PatsWillWin]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Were they "together" or just in the same scene? Tyrion has his own fight at the pits, so he could have been at the pits for his fight, and stayed for Mormont's

They were standing next to each other on the balcony overlooking the pit, with Mormont in it. This never happened in the book, and it's a pretty significant deviance. My point is I don't think we should expect much of the Tyrion sailing part to be in the show. Maybe one episode or something.

 

[Thunderlips]

Jon Connington is a decent character, but if his subplot must be sacrificed to spare us Penny, turtles and all of Tyrion's never-ending boat safari, well, so long, buddy.

I have to laugh at all these "they have to" posts about what the showrunners need to include. If they put everything in, the show would drag on and on.

It's done with the books, too. "Dany has to get to Westeros by ____" or "Jon has to know who his parents really were". Really? Why? Not saying either won't happen, but there's no reason why Martin HAS to do them, either.

I get the compulsion with the fans, but yeah - there is nothing they "have" to do just to please us.

I am still not convinced GRRM knows wtf he is going to do with Dany. She is damn near exactly where she was 5 books ago, but with a dragon she can't seem to control.

Whatever she does...she's probably going to have to rectify her situation with Khal Jhogo pretty quick.

I always assumed she would kill him(or Drogon would) and she would show up somewhere with the army under her control

Great, so we would be back to her in control of a dothraki army that wont cross the sea? Again, back to where we were 5 books ago.

Yeah....that ending to five doesn't lend itself to new ground or a quick resolution to get her to Westeros quickly. I guess that its feasible that the appearance of Drogon COULD help seduce Jhogo (cause knowing what we do about the Dothroki...they don't lend themselves to being led by a woman too easily) to her cause.....but even then that's kind of lame. It'd be lame if she just flew off too.

 

[Sinn Fein]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Were they "together" or just in the same scene? Tyrion has his own fight at the pits, so he could have been at the pits for his fight, and stayed for Mormont's

They were standing next to each other on the balcony overlooking the pit, with Mormont in it. This never happened in the book, and it's a pretty significant deviance. My point is I don't think we should expect much of the Tyrion sailing part to be in the show. Maybe one episode or something.

Tyrion is dressed like (same colors as) Hizdahr - suggesting he is owned by Hizdahr at the time of the wedding. I don't think he has necessarily deviated significantly from the script - assuming most of the whole slavery deal was just a plot mechanism by Martin just to get Tyrion to Dany

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Tyrion has to get to Pentos and hang out with Illyrio a bit, travel with Grif and fakeTarg, become a slave/midget actor to I forget which mercenary group... just to catch up to Dany.

It looks like a lot of that is getting the axe.

I saw that same picture, however, I took it like that was going to be the last season next season or something

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Has the TV show done Ceresi's Walk of Shame yet?

nope, coming this season

This confirmed? A bit early. Tho Lena Headey (Cersai actress) is pregnant thought I read.

All but confirmed. I don't remember all of the details, but there was some stink by the town they were shooting in about a scene where a character has to walk down the street naked. Went against town or church laws or something against public nudity and the GOT folks got some kind of waiver. The location was where a lot of the Kings Landing scenes are shot.

My guess is that, if they use it this season, it'll be late. I'm thinking that a LOT of time this season is going to be spent on Cersei going nuts, then getting busted by the church.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So much has to happen with Tyrion on the show still, and very little with Dany, until they are both caught up. Trouble is, they'll be at the same place at the start of book 6. Not sure how the show is going to work that.

There were some photos of Tyrion and Dany together at the fighting pits in Mereen (Mormont was fighting). That means they are together pre-Dany flying away on the dragon. My sense is they skip/fast forward a lot of the Mormont/Tyrion/Penny stuff.

Tyrion has to get to Pentos and hang out with Illyrio a bit, travel with Grif and fakeTarg, become a slave/midget actor to I forget which mercenary group... just to catch up to Dany.

It looks like a lot of that is getting the axe.

I don't know how it can be. Maybe the slave part could be skipped, but you need to establish with certainty that the spider and Illyrio are in cahoots, and you need to show fakeTarg and Grif too imo.

If the young Targaryan isn't a real Targaryan....there's no real reason to have him in the show.

Right. Which is going to spoil that for the books. Which is actually ok with me. That's the one big storyline that I thought was unnecessary.

 

[Swing 51]

Has the TV show done Ceresi's Walk of Shame yet?

nope, coming this season

This confirmed? A bit early. Tho Lena Headey (Cersai actress) is pregnant thought I read.

All but confirmed. I don't remember all of the details, but there was some stink by the town they were shooting in about a scene where a character has to walk down the street naked. Went against town or church laws or something against public nudity and the GOT folks got some kind of waiver. The location was where a lot of the Kings Landing scenes are shot.

My guess is that, if they use it this season, it'll be late. I'm thinking that a LOT of time this season is going to be spent on Cersei going nuts, then getting busted by the church.

Ah yes I remember reading that too. Looking forward to Cersei going nuts (and seeing her naked).

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Didn't Headey say she wasn't going to do nude anymore or was that someone else? If so, I'm guessing they use a body double for the T&A shots and closeups with her from shoulders up.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Hopefully it's shot after the pregnancy and she has some giant milkers.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Hopefully it's shot after the pregnancy and she has some giant milkers.

Tastefully done, of course....

 

[Sinn Fein]

This is an "episode 9" type episode:

If any particular scene will define "Game of Thrones" Season 5, it will be Cersei's "Penance Walk." For fans that are unaware of what the Penance Walk scene (you should be ashamed of yourself), it is the shocking consequence when Cersei's incestuous affairs are no longer a secret to the people of King's Landing. It will also be the highly anticipated nude scene of Cersei actress Lena Headey.

"Game of Thrones" Season 5 will follow Cersei's impressive rise in power as she takes on her role as Tommen's regent. In George R.R. Martin's book "A Feast for Crows," Cercei Lannister allowed the High Septon to restore the Faith Militant, which was her end of an agreement that also canceled one million gold dragons that the crown owed to Faith, which further secured her son Tommen's place on the throne.

The Faith, now emboldened by power they haven't experienced since they were disbanded by Jaehaerys I, arrest Margaery Tyrell and her cousins when Osney Kettleblack allegedly confessed to bedding the girls. Eventually, the High Septon realized that Osney's confession was a lie that was ordered by Cersei in order to get rid of Margaery. Ultimately, the plan backfired and Cersei was arrested for the murder of the previous High Septon.

As a prisoner of the Faith, Cersei denies to have killed the previous High Septon, but confesses to the current High Septon of her affair with her cousin Lancel Lannister and all three of the Kettleblack brothers, knowing that the confession will not earn her an execution.

Before her trial, the Faith will shave Cersei bald and strip her naked before forcing her to perform the Penance Walk, also known as the Walk of Shame, from the Great Sept ot the Red Keep. All the while, the crowd of people in the city will jeer and throw disgusting filth during the walk.

The pivotal moment almost didn't happen as the producers intended to film the scene outside the Church of St. Nicholas at Dubrovnik, Roatia. Church officials did not permit the crew to film as the church held a rigid policy against public displays of sexuality. Eventually, the HBO show decided to film select scenes near the location and build a fake set of the church so that Lena Headey would not be naked in the church itself. All in all, Cersei's Walk of Shame took four days to shoot and cost a total of roughly $200,000.

Security was heavy and the use of cell phones were banned in order to avoid leaks and spoilers. However, it looks like the precautionary measure were not enough to stop leaked photos to appear on the internet. Without further ado, click here to see images from the set of Cersei's nude scene.

 

[Scoresman]

Didn't Headey say she wasn't going to do nude anymore or was that someone else? If so, I'm guessing they use a body double for the T&A shots and closeups with her from shoulders up.

Correct. Her body double is reportedly being played by Salma Hayek.

 

[Swing 51]

Game of Thrones author George R.R. Martin announced on his blog Friday that he will not be contributing to the sixth season of the HBO show.Martin wrote that “after wrestling with it for a month or so,” he decided that he will instead spend his time working on Winds of Winter, the sixth novel in the series.

He is using the time to finish the sixth book in the series.

“Writing a script takes me three weeks, minimum, and longer when it is not a straight adaptation from the novels,” Martin explained.

“And really, it would cost me more time than that, since I have never been good at changing gears from one medium to another and back again. Writing a season six script would cost me a month’s work on WINDS, and maybe as much as six weeks, and I cannot afford that.”

He’s also not contributing to season five.

The final book in the series is currently set to come out after the television series culminates.

http://time.com/3763149/george-rr-martin-game-of-thrones-season-6/

 

[parrot]

Game of Thrones author George R.R. Martin announced on his blog Friday that he will not be contributing to the sixth season of the HBO show.Martin wrote that “after wrestling with it for a month or so,” he decided that he will instead spend his time working on Winds of Winter, the sixth novel in the series.

He is using the time to finish the sixth book in the series.

“Writing a script takes me three weeks, minimum, and longer when it is not a straight adaptation from the novels,” Martin explained.

“And really, it would cost me more time than that, since I have never been good at changing gears from one medium to another and back again. Writing a season six script would cost me a month’s work on WINDS, and maybe as much as six weeks, and I cannot afford that.”

He’s also not contributing to season five.

The final book in the series is currently set to come out after the television series culminates.

http://time.com/3763149/george-rr-martin-game-of-thrones-season-6/

 

[Sabertooth]

Hopefully it's shot after the pregnancy and she has some giant milkers.

Tastefully done, of course....

Whoa, look at the set of fun bags on that hose hound.

 

[Sabertooth]

Didn't Headey say she wasn't going to do nude anymore or was that someone else? If so, I'm guessing they use a body double for the T&A shots and closeups with her from shoulders up.

Correct. Her body double is reportedly being played by Salma Hayek.

Making out with Kate Beckinsale.

 

[Clifford]

The book purists are cracking me up already elsewhere with their heartbreak and I-won't-watch-'til-the-books-are-done outrage . Anyone could've seen this coming from a mile away. It's not news at all, despite the further confirmation. I'll still read Martin's novelizations years from now, but the show is good enough (and different enough) to be enjoyed on its own in the meantime.

There is no better outrage than true nerd outrage. #### like this is all they have.

 

[Kraft...]

New sample chapter up: http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/

Pretty good stuff

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Spoiler

You guys are dorks/

 

[DCThunder]

I think that posting that chapter broke the interwebs. I've been trying to access the chapter without any luck for about 15 minutes.

 

[Kraft...]

I think that posting that chapter broke the interwebs. I've been trying to access the chapter without any luck for about 15 minutes.

I read it before I shared

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

I think that posting that chapter broke the interwebs. I've been trying to access the chapter without any luck for about 15 minutes.

I read it before I shared

I was able to get in via your link. I enjoyed it.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So GRRM is making a huge push to finish Winds and have it released prior to next season. He halal said how he regretted not going right into writing after he finished Dragons because he was in the zone and taking time off really set him back. So maybe this time he learns from that mistake.

So that's good. What could be bad is GRRM says he's thought of a brand new twist that shocks him but makes sense for the characters. However it will be impossible for the show because of directions it has already taken. So that sucks and concerns me that GRRM may purposefully do more to differentiate from the show so that the books are unique and sell. Could be good or could make the story go to a bad place.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

So GRRM is making a huge push to finish Winds and have it released prior to next season. He halal said how he regretted not going right into writing after he finished Dragons because he was in the zone and taking time off really set him back. So maybe this time he learns from that mistake.

So that's good. What could be bad is GRRM says he's thought of a brand new twist that shocks him but makes sense for the characters. However it will be impossible for the show because of directions it has already taken. So that sucks and concerns me that GRRM may purposefully do more to differentiate from the show so that the books are unique and sell. Could be good or could make the story go to a bad place.

I know there are a lot of cynics in here, but I really think his goal is to make the books as good as they can be. So as long as he finishes the books I hope he takes as much time as he needs to write the stories the way he wants them.

Even the 4th and 5th books are good storytelling, despite the fact that the runaway locomotive plot of the first three books came to a stop. Once we pick up the main plot lines again my money's on two more good books.

 

[Sabertooth]

So GRRM is making a huge push to finish Winds and have it released prior to next season. He halal said how he regretted not going right into writing after he finished Dragons because he was in the zone and taking time off really set him back. So maybe this time he learns from that mistake.

So that's good. What could be bad is GRRM says he's thought of a brand new twist that shocks him but makes sense for the characters. However it will be impossible for the show because of directions it has already taken. So that sucks and concerns me that GRRM may purposefully do more to differentiate from the show so that the books are unique and sell. Could be good or could make the story go to a bad place.

Yeah I'm sure he'll get right back to work. The only thing I can see that might possibly motivate him is HBO cuckolding his characters right in front of him. If he feels they are stealing his characters on him, I could see him actually getting busy.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Great use of the term cuckolding

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So GRRM is making a huge push to finish Winds and have it released prior to next season. He halal said how he regretted not going right into writing after he finished Dragons because he was in the zone and taking time off really set him back. So maybe this time he learns from that mistake.

So that's good. What could be bad is GRRM says he's thought of a brand new twist that shocks him but makes sense for the characters. However it will be impossible for the show because of directions it has already taken. So that sucks and concerns me that GRRM may purposefully do more to differentiate from the show so that the books are unique and sell. Could be good or could make the story go to a bad place.

I know there are a lot of cynics in here, but I really think his goal is to make the books as good as they can be. So as long as he finishes the books I hope he takes as much time as he needs to write the stories the way he wants them.

Even the 4th and 5th books are good storytelling, despite the fact that the runaway locomotive plot of the first three books came to a stop. Once we pick up the main plot lines again my money's on two more good books.

I agree. The concern I'm expressing is the show forcing his hand to alter the story from what he'd want to do. Now that could inspire or it could lead things down a weird path.

 

[Sabertooth]

Weirder than incest, sodomy, castration, flaying, fratricide and cannibalism?

 

[Sabertooth]

Great use of the term cuckolding

Seemed appropriate. He might actually get off on it though.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I think the condensing and changes being made from Crows and Dragons this and next season will actually make for great television. This should be a strong season despite what some thought of the books imo.

I still plan to do a re-read and re-watch of the series starting this summer with hope of Winds coming early 2016.

 

[Enderdog]

After S5E2 I think it's safe to say "Books? What books?"

 

[LBH]

I'm looking forward to the series moving beyond the books. Tired of waiting on Martin

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I've fought it, but I think I'm in the same boat. Show me something new that I don't already "know". There was a good article the other day (maybe on one of the Gawker sites) saying that being a book-snob and having published material run out (thus, killing our snob-ammo) is a good thing. #### it - let it roll.

 

[psychobillies]

I was a little apprehensive about getting ahead of the books at first, but there's just no way I'm not going to watch it. No sense over thinking it. Just going to enjoy the ride.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yep. No problem with the books getting lapped.