HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)

[Sabertooth]

Yeah I don't remember Grey Worm and Barristan the bold biting the dust in the books.

Is Grey Worm dead?

Looked dead to me.

 

[sdp1226]

Well...if that wasn't a giant signal as to whether or not Jon Snow's not Ned Stark's kid...then I don't know what would be.

Sansa has been fed the narrative her whole life that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped. The look that Littlefinger gives her after she says that in the crypt is very telling.

 

[Whomper]

Yeah I don't remember Grey Worm and Barristan the bold biting the dust in the books.

Is Grey Worm dead?

Looked dead to me.

In the coming attractions for next week it looks like Dany is weeping over Barristans body. I didnt see Grey Worm. Maybe he made it, although it didnt look good

 

[Harry Manback]

Yeah I don't remember Grey Worm and Barristan the bold biting the dust in the books.

Is Grey Worm dead?

Looked dead to me.

In the coming attractions for next week it looks like Dany is weeping over Barristans body. I didnt see Grey Worm. Maybe he made it, although it didnt look good

There was an awful lot of blood pooling beneath both of them.

I hope they have some good IVs and a good blood bank at the pyramid.

 

[Kraft...]

Unsullied got their ### handed to them. Oh well.

Yeah, they come across as such bad asses in the books how easily they were defeated(sans Grey Worm) surprised me. They are supposed to be the elite of the elite. It did mention in the books that they weren't meant to be guards and security though so maybe that's why. No Arya this week

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah I don't remember Grey Worm and Barristan the bold biting the dust in the books.

Is Grey Worm dead?

Looked dead to me.

In the coming attractions for next week it looks like Dany is weeping over Barristans body. I didnt see Grey Worm. Maybe he made it, although it didnt look good

There was an awful lot of blood pooling beneath both of them.

I hope they have some good IVs and a good blood bank at the pyramid.

Not to mention nobody would know they are down there.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Well...if that wasn't a giant signal as to whether or not Jon Snow's not Ned Stark's kid...then I don't know what would be.

Sansa has been fed the narrative her whole life that Lyanna was kidnapped and raped. The look that Littlefinger gives her after she says that in the crypt is very telling.

Actually just kidnapped. The only person in the books that says he thinks Rhaegar raped Lyanna was Robert. I am hoping it isn't Littlefinger who knows R+L=J.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Unsullied got their ### handed to them. Oh well.

Yeah, they come across as such bad asses in the books how easily they were defeated(sans Grey Worm) surprised me. They are supposed to be the elite of the elite. It did mention in the books that they weren't meant to be guards and security though so maybe that's why. No Arya this week

In the books, guards and security are their primary function.

 

[Kraft...]

Unsullied got their ### handed to them. Oh well.

Yeah, they come across as such bad asses in the books how easily they were defeated(sans Grey Worm) surprised me. They are supposed to be the elite of the elite. It did mention in the books that they weren't meant to be guards and security though so maybe that's why. No Arya this week

In the books, guards and security are their primary function.

Their intended primary function is soldiers in battle, not cops and body guards.

 

[Whomper]

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Differences_between_books_and_TV_series_-_Season_5 This site shows the differences between the show and the books

 

[sn0mm1s]

Unsullied got their ### handed to them. Oh well.

Yeah, they come across as such bad asses in the books how easily they were defeated(sans Grey Worm) surprised me. They are supposed to be the elite of the elite. It did mention in the books that they weren't meant to be guards and security though so maybe that's why. No Arya this week

In the books, guards and security are their primary function.

Their intended primary function is soldiers in battle, not cops and body guards.

In the books, aside from Dany, the stories of the Unsullied are of guardians of cities and individuals. In fact, when Jorah first mentions them to Dany her first response is to dismiss them because her only experience regarding them are of household guards. Even the story Jorah uses to convince Dany of their worth was of them guarding the walls of a city brought by a guy more or less as an afterthought. As far as I can recall, there haven't been any stories of conquering armies of Unsullied.

 

[Gr00vus]

Some of the writing in this episode wasn't so hot. Several clumsily talky exposition scenes - how Stannis's daughter got greyscale, Tyrion figuring out who Jorah is, Selmy taking about Rhaegar the minstrel, and of course the sand snakes scene. I think they've already exhausted the "Jaime can't do anything because he only has one hand so Bronn has to do everything" joke as well, it's getting a little predictable.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Some of the writing in this episode wasn't so hot. Several clumsily talky exposition scenes - how Stannis's daughter got greyscale, Tyrion figuring out who Jorah is, Selmy taking about Rhaegar the minstrel, and of course the sand snakes scene. I think they've already exhausted the "Jaime can't do anything because he only has one hand so Bronn has to do everything" joke as well, it's getting a little predictable.

Everything about the sand snakes scene was awful. The staging, the dialogue, the stupid shoes. I have little hope for that storyline. Hopefully Bronn can save it with his presence.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1. I don't really get it either. I understand that they are consolidating the story lines here so I give them the benefit of the doubt that Littlefinger's scheme will be revealed in time - as it has been before. This at least gives us the opportunity for some exciting new content.2. Agreed. I think they have done a tremendous job consolidating story lines so far but the Dorne subplot hasn't been handled well. I'd honestly rather see the Euron/Victorian storyline getting screen time if this is how they are going to roll with Dorne.

 

[thecatch]

Unsullied got their ### handed to them. Oh well.

Yeah, they come across as such bad asses in the books how easily they were defeated(sans Grey Worm) surprised me. They are supposed to be the elite of the elite. It did mention in the books that they weren't meant to be guards and security though so maybe that's why. No Arya this week

In the books, guards and security are their primary function.

Their intended primary function is soldiers in battle, not cops and body guards.

In the books, aside from Dany, the stories of the Unsullied are of guardians of cities and individuals. In fact, when Jorah first mentions them to Dany her first response is to dismiss them because her only experience regarding them are of household guards. Even the story Jorah uses to convince Dany of their worth was of them guarding the walls of a city brought by a guy more or less as an afterthought. As far as I can recall, there haven't been any stories of conquering armies of Unsullied.

There was some line in the books discussing how they weren't trained or optimally suited to be beat cops, essentially.

 

[ScottNorwood]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1. I don't really get it either. I understand that they are consolidating the story lines here so I give them the benefit of the doubt that Littlefinger's scheme will be revealed in time - as it has been before. This at least gives us the opportunity for some exciting new content.2. Agreed. I think they have done a tremendous job consolidating story lines so far but the Dorne subplot hasn't been handled well. I'd honestly rather see the Euron/Victorian storyline getting screen time if this is how they are going to roll with Dorne.

1. From Littlefingers perspective, he has an ally in the North either way. If Bolton stays in power, he delivered them a Stark. If Stannis takes the North, Sansa is likely to end up as Wardeness - so win/win

2. The Dorne stuff was boring in the books, so whatever. I'm ranking the below picture as 2, 3, 1

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150315114521/gameofthrones/images/0/0f/Sand_Snakes.png

 

[thecatch]

Some of the writing in this episode wasn't so hot. Several clumsily talky exposition scenes - how Stannis's daughter got greyscale, Tyrion figuring out who Jorah is, Selmy taking about Rhaegar the minstrel, and of course the sand snakes scene. I think they've already exhausted the "Jaime can't do anything because he only has one hand so Bronn has to do everything" joke as well, it's getting a little predictable.

I thought the Stannis scene was one of the best ones in the show, frankly. Thought they nailed it.

 

[sn0mm1s]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1) Does he really care? It isn't like Littlefinger's long term plans ever needed Sansa. If it works out for him great - if not, it doesn't really matter. Now, why he lets KL/Cersei know that he has her is a different situation. I have no idea how that can be justified because it is pretty certain she would be implicated in the death of Joffrey and Cersei would want her dead.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Some of the writing in this episode wasn't so hot. Several clumsily talky exposition scenes - how Stannis's daughter got greyscale, Tyrion figuring out who Jorah is, Selmy taking about Rhaegar the minstrel, and of course the sand snakes scene. I think they've already exhausted the "Jaime can't do anything because he only has one hand so Bronn has to do everything" joke as well, it's getting a little predictable.

I thought the Stannis scene was one of the best ones in the show, frankly. Thought they nailed it.

Agreed. My wife was very touched by that scene. Then she had her eyes closed the rest of the episode because she hates the violent scenes.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Unsullied got their ### handed to them. Oh well.

Yeah, they come across as such bad asses in the books how easily they were defeated(sans Grey Worm) surprised me. They are supposed to be the elite of the elite. It did mention in the books that they weren't meant to be guards and security though so maybe that's why. No Arya this week

In the books, guards and security are their primary function.

Their intended primary function is soldiers in battle, not cops and body guards.

In the books, aside from Dany, the stories of the Unsullied are of guardians of cities and individuals. In fact, when Jorah first mentions them to Dany her first response is to dismiss them because her only experience regarding them are of household guards. Even the story Jorah uses to convince Dany of their worth was of them guarding the walls of a city brought by a guy more or less as an afterthought. As far as I can recall, there haven't been any stories of conquering armies of Unsullied.

There was some line in the books discussing how they weren't trained or optimally suited to be beat cops, essentially.

That is different than not being guardians or bodyguards. Their independent thinking is supposedly lacking so investigating the Harpies through stealth and subterfuge wouldn't be their forte.

 

[Thunderlips]

Unsullied got their ### handed to them. Oh well.

Yeah, they come across as such bad asses in the books how easily they were defeated(sans Grey Worm) surprised me. They are supposed to be the elite of the elite. It did mention in the books that they weren't meant to be guards and security though so maybe that's why. No Arya this week

In the books, guards and security are their primary function.

Their intended primary function is soldiers in battle, not cops and body guards.

In the books, aside from Dany, the stories of the Unsullied are of guardians of cities and individuals. In fact, when Jorah first mentions them to Dany her first response is to dismiss them because her only experience regarding them are of household guards. Even the story Jorah uses to convince Dany of their worth was of them guarding the walls of a city brought by a guy more or less as an afterthought. As far as I can recall, there haven't been any stories of conquering armies of Unsullied.

There was some line in the books discussing how they weren't trained or optimally suited to be beat cops, essentially.

I thought in the books that Danys didn't think much of them because they were all fat guards and then Jorah explained that older eunuchs get fat but these were the young ones and capable of fighting.

 

[Gr00vus]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1) Does he really care? It isn't like Littlefinger's long term plans ever needed Sansa. If it works out for him great - if not, it doesn't really matter. Now, why he lets KL/Cersei know that he has her is a different situation. I have no idea how that can be justified because it is pretty certain she would be implicated in the death of Joffrey and Cersei would want her dead.

If/when Ramsay marries Sansa, the Boltons have a somewhat vested interest in keeping her alive as it legitimizes their claim to the North - at least until she produces his heir. So Littlefinger will have then sown some pretty serious discord between the Boltons and the Lannisters, effectively ending their cooperation and possibly resulting in open conflict between them. He's just created more chaos, which, I imagine, he plans on profiting from in some way. He probably also has some plan which would give him a chance of extracting Sansa from the ensuing chaos and eventually keeping her for himself.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Maybe Littlefinger is related to the Whitewalkers, and he is just laying the groundwork for a smooth invasion.

 

[Gr00vus]

Maybe Littlefinger is related to the Whitewalkers, and he is just laying the groundwork for a smooth invasion.

That would be interesting.

 

[rail]

Melisandre's nice bewbs made an appearance again. That's a plus.

 

[rascal]

Melisandre's nice bewbs made an appearance again. That's a plus.

Took way to long to be mentioned

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1) Does he really care? It isn't like Littlefinger's long term plans ever needed Sansa. If it works out for him great - if not, it doesn't really matter. Now, why he lets KL/Cersei know that he has her is a different situation. I have no idea how that can be justified because it is pretty certain she would be implicated in the death of Joffrey and Cersei would want her dead.

If/when Ramsay marries Sansa, the Boltons have a somewhat vested interest in keeping her alive as it legitimizes their claim to the North - at least until she produces his heir. So Littlefinger will have then sown some pretty serious discord between the Boltons and the Lannisters, effectively ending their cooperation and possibly resulting in open conflict between them. He's just created more chaos, which, I imagine, he plans on profiting from in some way. He probably also has some plan which would give him a chance of extracting Sansa from the ensuing chaos and eventually keeping her for himself.

I dunno, I think I'd keep Sansa stashed until the battle was over, then produce her to the winner. I would think she'd be too valuable to drop right in the middle of a war.

I guess it'll be explained as it plays out; just seems to make no sense to me at this point from a motivation standpoint.

 

[Sabertooth]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1. I don't really get it either. I understand that they are consolidating the story lines here so I give them the benefit of the doubt that Littlefinger's scheme will be revealed in time - as it has been before. This at least gives us the opportunity for some exciting new content.2. Agreed. I think they have done a tremendous job consolidating story lines so far but the Dorne subplot hasn't been handled well. I'd honestly rather see the Euron/Victorian storyline getting screen time if this is how they are going to roll with Dorne.

1. From Littlefingers perspective, he has an ally in the North either way. If Bolton stays in power, he delivered them a Stark. If Stannis takes the North, Sansa is likely to end up as Wardeness - so win/win

2. The Dorne stuff was boring in the books, so whatever. I'm ranking the below picture as 2, 3, 1

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150315114521/gameofthrones/images/0/0f/Sand_Snakes.png

Unless Sansa is put in a cell or flayed.

 

[Sabertooth]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1) Does he really care? It isn't like Littlefinger's long term plans ever needed Sansa. If it works out for him great - if not, it doesn't really matter. Now, why he lets KL/Cersei know that he has her is a different situation. I have no idea how that can be justified because it is pretty certain she would be implicated in the death of Joffrey and Cersei would want her dead.

If/when Ramsay marries Sansa, the Boltons have a somewhat vested interest in keeping her alive as it legitimizes their claim to the North - at least until she produces his heir. So Littlefinger will have then sown some pretty serious discord between the Boltons and the Lannisters, effectively ending their cooperation and possibly resulting in open conflict between them. He's just created more chaos, which, I imagine, he plans on profiting from in some way. He probably also has some plan which would give him a chance of extracting Sansa from the ensuing chaos and eventually keeping her for himself.

Either way, Littlefinger is leaving Sansa in a very precarious position. He must know Ramsay is a terrible horrible person. She'll be married then raped and raped until she gives birth to a son, at which point she'll be either put in a cell forever or killed (or worse). He's feeding her to the worst of the worst. He's totally unstable and wicked. Which makes Littlefinger even worse.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1) Does he really care? It isn't like Littlefinger's long term plans ever needed Sansa. If it works out for him great - if not, it doesn't really matter. Now, why he lets KL/Cersei know that he has her is a different situation. I have no idea how that can be justified because it is pretty certain she would be implicated in the death of Joffrey and Cersei would want her dead.

If/when Ramsay marries Sansa, the Boltons have a somewhat vested interest in keeping her alive as it legitimizes their claim to the North - at least until she produces his heir. So Littlefinger will have then sown some pretty serious discord between the Boltons and the Lannisters, effectively ending their cooperation and possibly resulting in open conflict between them. He's just created more chaos, which, I imagine, he plans on profiting from in some way. He probably also has some plan which would give him a chance of extracting Sansa from the ensuing chaos and eventually keeping her for himself.

I dunno, I think I'd keep Sansa stashed until the battle was over, then produce her to the winner. I would think she'd be too valuable to drop right in the middle of a war.I guess it'll be explained as it plays out; just seems to make no sense to me at this point from a motivation standpoint.

The war is over on the show really, isn't it?I really liked the episode except for the sand snakes.

I do have a problem with Selmy being dead if he's a point of view character in the next book. Kind of makes his chapters meaningless.

 

[Swing 51]

Interesting, did not know Selmy has chapters in TWOW.

 

[Swing 51]

Wait he had chapters in ADWD too

I really need to read the last two books again.

 

[Tusken Raider]

Unsullied got their ### handed to them. Oh well.

Yeah, they come across as such bad asses in the books how easily they were defeated(sans Grey Worm) surprised me. They are supposed to be the elite of the elite. It did mention in the books that they weren't meant to be guards and security though so maybe that's why. No Arya this week

In the books, guards and security are their primary function.

Their intended primary function is soldiers in battle, not cops and body guards.

In the books, aside from Dany, the stories of the Unsullied are of guardians of cities and individuals. In fact, when Jorah first mentions them to Dany her first response is to dismiss them because her only experience regarding them are of household guards. Even the story Jorah uses to convince Dany of their worth was of them guarding the walls of a city brought by a guy more or less as an afterthought. As far as I can recall, there haven't been any stories of conquering armies of Unsullied.

There was some line in the books discussing how they weren't trained or optimally suited to be beat cops, essentially.

That is different than not being guardians or bodyguards. Their independent thinking is supposedly lacking so investigating the Harpies through stealth and subterfuge wouldn't be their forte.

 

[sn0mm1s]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1) Does he really care? It isn't like Littlefinger's long term plans ever needed Sansa. If it works out for him great - if not, it doesn't really matter. Now, why he lets KL/Cersei know that he has her is a different situation. I have no idea how that can be justified because it is pretty certain she would be implicated in the death of Joffrey and Cersei would want her dead.

If/when Ramsay marries Sansa, the Boltons have a somewhat vested interest in keeping her alive as it legitimizes their claim to the North - at least until she produces his heir. So Littlefinger will have then sown some pretty serious discord between the Boltons and the Lannisters, effectively ending their cooperation and possibly resulting in open conflict between them. He's just created more chaos, which, I imagine, he plans on profiting from in some way. He probably also has some plan which would give him a chance of extracting Sansa from the ensuing chaos and eventually keeping her for himself.

Littlefinger likes creating chaos that doesn't directly put him at risk. By admitting to kidnapping/smuggling away Sansa Lannister (during Joffrey's death which is suspicious), sheltering her (rather than giving her back to the Lannisters), and then giving her to the Boltons puts him at risk. So what if it causes tension between the South and North? That doesn't make it less likely that the Lannisters will want him dead - it makes it more likely. Not only that, it takes seconds for Tommen to strip him of all land and titles. If Littlefinger had an army, support of the Vale, support of the Riverlands, and support of the North then perhaps it makes sense if he is looking to make a challenge - but that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Tusken Raider]

This. I remember reading something along the lines of Dany needing knights if she were going to rule the city, but only having Selmy & Mormont with her. Knights can act as diplomats & police as well as warriors, whereas independent thinking was a glaring weakness of the Unsullied.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1) Does he really care? It isn't like Littlefinger's long term plans ever needed Sansa. If it works out for him great - if not, it doesn't really matter. Now, why he lets KL/Cersei know that he has her is a different situation. I have no idea how that can be justified because it is pretty certain she would be implicated in the death of Joffrey and Cersei would want her dead.

If/when Ramsay marries Sansa, the Boltons have a somewhat vested interest in keeping her alive as it legitimizes their claim to the North - at least until she produces his heir. So Littlefinger will have then sown some pretty serious discord between the Boltons and the Lannisters, effectively ending their cooperation and possibly resulting in open conflict between them. He's just created more chaos, which, I imagine, he plans on profiting from in some way. He probably also has some plan which would give him a chance of extracting Sansa from the ensuing chaos and eventually keeping her for himself.

I dunno, I think I'd keep Sansa stashed until the battle was over, then produce her to the winner. I would think she'd be too valuable to drop right in the middle of a war.I guess it'll be explained as it plays out; just seems to make no sense to me at this point from a motivation standpoint.

The war is over on the show really, isn't it?

Stannis is going after the Boltons. That's the war I was referencing.

 

[Gr00vus]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1) Does he really care? It isn't like Littlefinger's long term plans ever needed Sansa. If it works out for him great - if not, it doesn't really matter. Now, why he lets KL/Cersei know that he has her is a different situation. I have no idea how that can be justified because it is pretty certain she would be implicated in the death of Joffrey and Cersei would want her dead.

If/when Ramsay marries Sansa, the Boltons have a somewhat vested interest in keeping her alive as it legitimizes their claim to the North - at least until she produces his heir. So Littlefinger will have then sown some pretty serious discord between the Boltons and the Lannisters, effectively ending their cooperation and possibly resulting in open conflict between them. He's just created more chaos, which, I imagine, he plans on profiting from in some way. He probably also has some plan which would give him a chance of extracting Sansa from the ensuing chaos and eventually keeping her for himself.

Littlefinger likes creating chaos that doesn't directly put him at risk. By admitting to kidnapping/smuggling away Sansa Lannister (during Joffrey's death which is suspicious), sheltering her (rather than giving her back to the Lannisters), and then giving her to the Boltons puts him at risk. So what if it causes tension between the South and North? That doesn't make it less likely that the Lannisters will want him dead - it makes it more likely. Not only that, it takes seconds for Tommen to strip him of all land and titles. If Littlefinger had an army, support of the Vale, support of the Riverlands, and support of the North then perhaps it makes sense if he is looking to make a challenge - but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Why on earth would he now be heading to King's Landing to talk with Cercsei if he didn't have this figured out already? He wouldn't be doing that if he thought it would put himself at risk. He's obviously manipulating both ends of this situation.

 

[Rick James]

not surprising the Unsullied were killed...the Sons of the Harpy surrounded them in tight quarters knowing the Unsullied used these long spears for combat. Not a great combo.

 

[Swing 51]

I'm getting a kick out of following the TV only thread with the mentions of the R + L = JS theory.

 

[Gr00vus]

I'm getting a kick out of following the TV only thread with the mentions of the R + L = JS theory.

 

[shuke]

I'm getting a kick out of following the TV only thread with the mentions of the R + L = JS theory.

Plenty of book readers in there.

 

[Sabertooth]

Plenty of mouth breathers too.

 

[Swing 51]

Plenty of mouth breathers too.

Yah I thought larch/posty doesn't watch anything besides MLB?

 

[sn0mm1s]

I've forgiven a lot of stuff the show has done and, in fact, have approved of many changes. But there are two things that are sticking in my craw right now (just from a "show" perspective):

1. I can not for the life of me understand why Little finger is risking Sansa's well-being like this, gambling man or no. His leaving her in Winterfell, hoping Stannis saves her and so he wins the North's allegience ALMOST makes sense. But for a guy like him to know nothing about Ramsey's nutballery doesn't work, which means leaving his obsession there while going back to KL makes no sense. Can someone explain this in a way that makes sense?

2. I don't mind so much that they changed Ellaria so much from the books and could be convinced of it.........but she doesn't even come across as the same charcter as what we saw in last year's episodes. I get that her lover died, but it's just too big a sea-change for me to buy right now.

1) Does he really care? It isn't like Littlefinger's long term plans ever needed Sansa. If it works out for him great - if not, it doesn't really matter. Now, why he lets KL/Cersei know that he has her is a different situation. I have no idea how that can be justified because it is pretty certain she would be implicated in the death of Joffrey and Cersei would want her dead.

If/when Ramsay marries Sansa, the Boltons have a somewhat vested interest in keeping her alive as it legitimizes their claim to the North - at least until she produces his heir. So Littlefinger will have then sown some pretty serious discord between the Boltons and the Lannisters, effectively ending their cooperation and possibly resulting in open conflict between them. He's just created more chaos, which, I imagine, he plans on profiting from in some way. He probably also has some plan which would give him a chance of extracting Sansa from the ensuing chaos and eventually keeping her for himself.

Littlefinger likes creating chaos that doesn't directly put him at risk. By admitting to kidnapping/smuggling away Sansa Lannister (during Joffrey's death which is suspicious), sheltering her (rather than giving her back to the Lannisters), and then giving her to the Boltons puts him at risk. So what if it causes tension between the South and North? That doesn't make it less likely that the Lannisters will want him dead - it makes it more likely. Not only that, it takes seconds for Tommen to strip him of all land and titles. If Littlefinger had an army, support of the Vale, support of the Riverlands, and support of the North then perhaps it makes sense if he is looking to make a challenge - but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Why on earth would he now be heading to King's Landing to talk with Cercsei if he didn't have this figured out already? He wouldn't be doing that if he thought it would put himself at risk. He's obviously manipulating both ends of this situation.

Why would he give Sansa to the Boltons on just a guess Stannis will attack, rescue her, and make her Wardeness?

Cersei, in Season 1, showed how much respect she had for Littlefinger by nearly killing him with her guards. She was willing to throw Ned Stark in the Black Cells and anger the North. She is willing to facilitate the arrest/separation of the Tyrells. She is willing to defy the Iron Bank, she is willing to insult her uncle, she is willing to let dwarves across the world be killed just so she might kill Tyrion, she is willing to insult the maesters, and she is willing to further insult/anger the Martells by taking back her daughter. What leverage could Littlefinger possibly have to prevent the enmity of Cersei when she finds out that he spirited away Sansa Lannister, who was likely complicit in her son's death, and give her *back* to the North as a ruler of Winterfell where she is in a prime position to encourage another rebellion?

Now, maybe Littlefinger is lying and is planning on not going to KL. That would be much more plausible than him showing up to Cersei as an upjumped lord, with no army, and trying to convince her that her son's murderer's best place is in power back in Winterfell.

 

[Gr00vus]

Why would he give Sansa to the Boltons on just a guess Stannis will attack, rescue her, and make her Wardeness?
Cersei, in Season 1, showed how much respect she had for Littlefinger by nearly killing him with her guards. She was willing to throw Ned Stark in the Black Cells and anger the North. She is willing to facilitate the arrest/separation of the Tyrells. She is willing to defy the Iron Bank, she is willing to insult her uncle, she is willing to let dwarves across the world be killed just so she might kill Tyrion, she is willing to insult the maesters, and she is willing to further insult/anger the Martells by taking back her daughter. What leverage could Littlefinger possibly have to prevent the enmity of Cersei when she finds out that he spirited away Sansa Lannister, who was likely complicit in her son's death, and give her *back* to the North as a ruler of Winterfell where she is in a prime position to encourage another rebellion?

Now, maybe Littlefinger is lying and is planning on not going to KL. That would be much more plausible than him showing up to Cersei as an upjumped lord, with no army, and trying to convince her that her son's murderer is best place is in power back in Winterfell.

I think he's already aware of Stannis's plans. I think he loves power more than he likes Sansa and would readily sacrifice her if he thought the gain to himself is worth it. He wouldn't be going to King's Landing and continuing to converse with Cersei long distance if he didn't already have angles for all of these things figured out. Maybe he's leaving other operatives in Winterfell besides Sansa which he can offer as leverage to Cersei to take care of Sansa and/or the Boltons whenever she wants. Maybe he tells Cersei about how he's accelerating a clash between Bolton and Stannis and facilitating the Lannisters picking up the pieces afterwards. Maybe he can sell Cersei on the notion that he can help her take care of Margery and the Tyrells. Whatver the case, he's working something on all of them. Whether it works out as he plans is another issue.

 

[Sabertooth]

It would not surprise me if the letter was not from Cersei, but sent by somebody at Littlefinger's behest. Can't be that hard to forge a letter and strap it to a raven.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Apologies if this was posted already... not really reading what's in here anymore. But I missed this last month:

According to a report from Entertainment Weekly, Martin stated that he will get the book out before season 6 of "Game of Thrones" airs. The show is currently mid-way through the fifth season so this would give the author approximately one year to get the book out and on store shelves.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Best episode of the season.

They are really throwing r + l = j in our faces. Aemon saying how wrong it is to be a targ alone in the world and then a cut up to Jon snow entering the room.

 

[Sabertooth]

Apologies if this was posted already... not really reading what's in here anymore. But I missed this last month:

According to a report from Entertainment Weekly, Martin stated that he will get the book out before season 6 of "Game of Thrones" airs. The show is currently mid-way through the fifth season so this would give the author approximately one year to get the book out and on store shelves.

I no longer really even care about the books. I might read them once they hit paperback. But to be honest he's pretty much lost me. But hey, maybe he could work on more comic books or tell me about football on his blog some more, that's just riveting.