HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (1 Viewer)

[sn0mm1s]

Jon coming back from the dead and Robb's letter - in advance of knowing he's Rhaegar's kid........Jon still wouldn't know he's not Ned's son. IF those two things happen before he's revealed as Targaryen, he could definitely set himself up as The Stark In Winterfell. The Targ reveal curveballs everything, which is why I said the order of the reveals will be interesting. And that's just Jon. Complicating things - besides all of the hidden Starks - is the fact that the North seceded. Bolton's hold on it in the Baratheon/Lannister/Tyrell name seems about to come crumbling down, not to mention the power base in Kings Landing is liable to do the same. Oh, and the Others, too. All of this could be catastrophic before Dany even gets to Westeros (assuming she does - I'd love it if she said "#### this Westeros ####, I'm hanging with the Dothraki").

Which is sort of hinted at by Tyrion I believe. He wonders why the Targs never felt like conquering/colonizing Westeros prior to The Doom. I think we can assume that The Others were likely too much of a threat for it to be worth doing. As to why they didn't start conquering Essos I have no idea.

There were thousands of years between the last white Walker sighting and the Targ invasion. If the walkers were keeping Valyrians out of Westeros, they must have had a really impressive institutional memory.

Magic was much more prevalent during that time - being aware of The Wall (and all of its spells) or the living memory of the Weirwoods might be enough to deter an invasion. You could also theorize that previous generations of Targs (or Dragonlords in general) basically passed down that knowledge. I don't think the memory would be much different than those of Westeros. All Westeros really has to remind them of The Others is the Wall. Pardoning the most heinous of crimes and allowing the Watch to move around freely (in theory) during war would also require that same sort of institutional memory.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

For some reason, I never considered something....

What do we expect of Davos Seaworth? Does he melt away as a character? Does he have enough of a storyline to carry on by himself since his has always been about Stannis? Do we care?

He's tied up with whatever goes on with Rickon I figure. I think they get brought back in somehow - isn't Rickon now the legitimate lord of Winterfell (since Bran is a tree)? Shaggydog needs to bring the hammer down on some people at least.

Presumably, if we believe Jojen's Green Dreams, the Starks rise again. The only way I see that happening is if Rickon survives and rules Winterfell. I think we can then assume Davos goes to Skagos, doesn't get killed and eaten, and brings Rickon back to Winterfell (or more likely White Harbor per Manderley's request).

Is there some sort of connection for Davos taking up the Starks cause?

Yes, the Manderley's will support Stannis if they get the true heir of Winterfell actually ruling Winterfell. Finding Rickon is basically Manderley's price for fighting for Stannis.

Except I think Manderley knew he wasn't coming home from Winterfell, and IIRC his "oath" was his alone -- not White Harbor generally.

 

[sn0mm1s]

For some reason, I never considered something....

What do we expect of Davos Seaworth? Does he melt away as a character? Does he have enough of a storyline to carry on by himself since his has always been about Stannis? Do we care?

He's tied up with whatever goes on with Rickon I figure. I think they get brought back in somehow - isn't Rickon now the legitimate lord of Winterfell (since Bran is a tree)? Shaggydog needs to bring the hammer down on some people at least.

Presumably, if we believe Jojen's Green Dreams, the Starks rise again. The only way I see that happening is if Rickon survives and rules Winterfell. I think we can then assume Davos goes to Skagos, doesn't get killed and eaten, and brings Rickon back to Winterfell (or more likely White Harbor per Manderley's request).

Is there some sort of connection for Davos taking up the Starks cause?

Yes, the Manderley's will support Stannis if they get the true heir of Winterfell actually ruling Winterfell. Finding Rickon is basically Manderley's price for fighting for Stannis.

Except I think Manderley knew he wasn't coming home from Winterfell, and IIRC his "oath" was his alone -- not White Harbor generally.

Well, he is the ruler of White Harbor so they would go where he leads. As far as Winterfell, I don't think he views it as a slow death by Bolton/Frey but I also don't think he necessarily assumes Davos is going to succeed.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Mannerly wants to go scorched-earth on Boltons and Freys

 

[sn0mm1s]

Mannerly wants to go scorched-earth on Boltons and Freys

Yes, considering he actually killed Freys and then served them for dinner.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Pretty interesting pictures for season 6 just released.

The Bran and Three Eyed Raven photo of them both standing and looking normal tells me we will have flashbacks ... With those two being shown on screen kind of like the ghosts of Christmas past.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Am I misremembering, or isn't it possible Manderly is already dead?

He had his neck laid open by one of the Freys, no?

ETA: no... sounds like he lived.

 

[Scoresman]

Bran looks like Kylo Ren.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Sansa looks pregnant.

 

[Spin]

Sansa looks pregnant.

That's what I thought as well.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Also, Jaime goes back to Kings Landing? Maybe from there he goes to the Riverlands? I dunno, Jaime has evolved into my favorite character in the books. He's probably the most complex and has evolved. I hate what they've done to him on the show.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

That teaser on Sunday was kind of weak.  I think Jon's line was a big hint of him coming back as a wight (in body) with his mind warging into Ghost and communicating and learning from Bran . . . .

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Now this is a thread where pictures could be fun.

 

[strykerpks]

Doesn't mean much, but he left a comment on his season 6 blog about the last book:

http://grrm.livejournal.com/477725.html?thread=24113181#t24113181

Hey George, I know WINDS wont come out before season 6, but is there a chance that A Dream of Spring will beat the last season of the show?

grrm 

Mar. 9th, 2016 08:18 pm (UTC)

If the show runs ten seasons, maybe.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Hoping for an announcement that WoW is coming out this year. I would hate for the HBO series to end before WoW is even out. 

 

[thecatch]

Almost done with my re-reads of books 4-5. Can't believe how much stuff from both books I forgot in the last 5 or so years. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

When does the show start again?

 

[strykerpks]

When does the show start again?

April 24

That's what I do. I drink and I know things

 

[Buckna]

LOL at the tv only thread. People are dropping spoilers like candy as if its nothing and some posters are even defending it.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I posted this in the other thread - but good fodder for discussion here too.

Basically a theory that Jon's Targaryen lineage is what will resurrect him - not Melisandre.  He will be brought back after burning in the funeral pyre.

Goes on to suggest the series will end when the three Targaryens, Jon, Danaerys, and Tyrion, unite to fight the ultimate battle against the White Walkers.

 

[Sinn Fein]

LOL at the tv only thread. People are dropping spoilers like candy as if its nothing and some posters are even defending it.

Well, to be fair, what I posted was derived from clips of the show, and i put it in spoilers as a fan theory - if you click on it, then I can't help you...

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Kind of hope GRRM just punts on the books at this point.  Feel like he's going to screw it up anyway.  

 

[Buckna]

Well, to be fair, what I posted was derived from clips of the show, and i put it in spoilers as a fan theory - if you click on it, then I can't help you...

Oh, not you at all, sorry if I gave that impression. Love it when people actually use the spoiler function, that's how it should be done. It was from some of the earlier pages... Spoiler posting has been pretty prevalent in some of the other threads on this board as well like The Walking Dead for example.

 

[thecatch]

I posted this in the other thread - but good fodder for discussion here too.

Basically a theory that Jon's Targaryen lineage is what will resurrect him - not Melisandre.  He will be brought back after burning in the funeral pyre.

Goes on to suggest the series will end when the three Targaryens, Jon, Danaerys, and Tyrion, unite to fight the ultimate battle against the White Walkers.

Tyrion being a Targaryen seems forced, IMO. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

Tyrion being a Targaryen seems forced, IMO. 

Not really - if you consider that, in the end, this Song of Ice and Fire has been about the Targaryen's all along.

If memory serves, there were references to his dreaming of dragons early in the first book.  Combined with his continued importance throughout the story suggest he has a major role to play in the end.

Three dragons certainly suggests three Targaryens 

 

[Thunderlips]

Not really - if you consider that, in the end, this Song of Ice and Fire has been about the Targaryen's all along.

If memory serves, there were references to his dreaming of dragons early in the first book.  Combined with his continued importance throughout the story suggest he has a major role to play in the end.

Three dragons certainly suggests three Targaryens 

I think that the disconnect is in the idea that The Mad King porked Tywin's wife to create Tyrion. IIRC, the books only briefly hinted at the idea that that happened......and the show only made one cursory passing (I think Tywin said something like "I can't prove that you're not my son....so I gave you my name").  If there's just this 11th hour reveal, to me it would come across as a bit lame. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I think that the disconnect is in the idea that The Mad King porked Tywin's wife to create Tyrion. IIRC, the books only briefly hinted at the idea that that happened......and the show only made one cursory passing (I think Tywin said something like "I can't prove that you're not my son....so I gave you my name").  If there's just this 11th hour reveal, to me it would come across as a bit lame. 

There's also something about Tyrion's hair in the first book being almost silver ....

thr mismatched eyes could mean something as well. How many eyes does Bloodraven have?  1000 and 1. 

 

[Thunderlips]

There's also something about Tyrion's hair in the first book being almost silver ....

thr mismatched eyes could mean something as well. How many eyes does Bloodraven have?  1000 and 1. 

Yeah, but the show hasn't established any of that. I know this is the book thread, but with the show passing it.....reveals to the story will be coming out in it.

They'll have to set it up this year if that's where they're going with Tyrion.  Maybe the cliffhanger(s) this year will be the Brand/Bloodraven dreams where they see both the Tower of Joy and Tyrion's conception...with Jon's being settled when he pops out of the flames and Tyrions being left for next year. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Yeah, but the show hasn't established any of that. I know this is the book thread, but with the show passing it.....reveals to the story will be coming out in it.

They'll have to set it up this year if that's where they're going with Tyrion.  Maybe the cliffhanger(s) this year will be the Brand/Bloodraven dreams where they see both the Tower of Joy and Tyrion's conception...with Jon's being settled when he pops out of the flames and Tyrions being left for next year. 

The show may abandon some or most of the more intricate plot turns. 

 

[Rick James]

I think that the disconnect is in the idea that The Mad King porked Tywin's wife to create Tyrion. IIRC, the books only briefly hinted at the idea that that happened......and the show only made one cursory passing (I think Tywin said something like "I can't prove that you're not my son....so I gave you my name").  If there's just this 11th hour reveal, to me it would come across as a bit lame. 

IMO it would be a joke if Tyrion turned out to be a Targ. The story works so much better with him being a true son of Tywin. 

 

[strykerpks]

I realize the show hasn't shown any of this but if Tyrion is the third Targ, that makes all of the Young Griff/Aegon stuff completely irrelevant. Unless of course he's a fake but then that almost makes ADWD a complete waste of a book :softball:

 

[thecatch]

IMO it would be a joke if Tyrion turned out to be a Targ. The story works so much better with him being a true son of Tywin. 

Yeah, the books and show have gone to great lengths to show Tyrion is the second coming of Tywin (the books especially, as evidenced by Jamie's conversation with his aunt at Riverrun) except Tywin was too prejudiced to realize it. 

 

[parrot]

IMO it would be a joke if Tyrion turned out to be a Targ. The story works so much better with him being a true son of Tywin. 

Agreed.  Never been big on that speculation.  

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Good stuff here kind of breaking down the trailer and what's coming up this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dtqQ7rtvqQ&nohtml5=False

 

[Gr00vus]

  If there's just this 11th hour reveal, to me it would come across as a bit lame. 

Unless they're going to abandon the whole dragon has 3 heads thing Martin has beating us over the head with forever, Tyrion being the 3rd head would be much less lame than the 11th hour reveal they'll have to invent if Tyrion isn't the third head.

 

[Swing 51]

The sixth season of “Game of Thrones,” beginning April 24, might be the show’s last full-length one, if the creators get their way.

Seasons of the sprawling HBO fantasy epic have traditionally included 10 episodes, but David Benioff and Dan Weiss, the creators of “Game of Thrones,” said in an interview with Variety that they are considering wrapping up the series with two abbreviated seasons that amount to a total of 13 episodes.

“I think we’re down to our final 13 episodes after this season,” Mr. Benioff said. “We’re heading into the final lap. That’s the guess, though nothing is yet set in stone, but that’s what we’re looking at.”

The trimmed schedule would include seven episodes next season, and six in an eighth and final one. HBO countered that “any conversations about the end of ‘Game of Thrones’ and the number of episodes of future seasons is purely speculative.”

“As is customary, HBO will sit with Dan and David to discuss the details once a decision has been made to go forward with Season 7,” HBO said in a statement.

Technically “Game of Thrones” has only been secured through the end of Season 6 but HBO has long had plans to extend the show to at least eight seasons. Michael Lombardo, HBO’s president of programming, said in January that the two sides were close to an extension. While it hasn’t officially happened yet, the show is expected to begin shooting Season 7 this summer.

Mr. Lombardo has been open about his desire to keep the show going as long as he can, despite its heavy production costs. To capture the story’s various diverse and exotic settings, the production can include as many as four separate units shooting simultaneously in Ireland, Spain and Croatia, among other far-flung locales.

“As a television executive, as a fan, do I wish they said another six years?” Mr. Lombardo said to Variety. “I do.”

It should be noted that the “Thrones” creators have previously extended their stated horizon for the show. In 2014 they said “Game of Thrones” would likely go for seven seasons, though eight now appears to be the plan.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I talked the wife into watching this season with me by saying I'll make a drinking game out of it.  (she's not into fantasy stuff or fun)

Here's what I have so far, thoughts?

GAME OF THRONES DRINKING GAME (work in progress)

Hodor says "Hodor" - sip

Anyone says "incest" or "*******" or "imp" or "half-man" - drink

Arya is called a boy - drink

Arya says needle - drink

Faceless Man uses third person - drink

Dragon Fire! - drink (fireball?)

Decapitation! - big drink/shot, yell off with their head

Brienne grunts or growls or screams - drink

Brienne refers to an oath she took - drink

Someone rises from the dead - drink

Three eyed-raven - drink with one eye closed

Too much?  Too little?  Probably need something with the Dothraki in there.

 

[Sebowski]

Anyone says "winter" - drink

 

[massraider]

Someone dies at a wedding, get a blowy.  

 

[rascal]

You and your wife will be dead by episode 2.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I talked the wife into watching this season with me by saying I'll make a drinking game out of it.  (she's not into fantasy stuff or fun)

Here's what I have so far, thoughts?

GAME OF THRONES DRINKING GAME (work in progress)

Hodor says "Hodor" - sip

Anyone says "incest" or "*******" or "imp" or "half-man" - drink

Arya is called a boy - drink

Arya says needle - drink

Faceless Man uses third person - drink

Dragon Fire! - drink (fireball?)

Decapitation! - big drink/shot, yell off with their head

Brienne grunts or growls or screams - drink

Brienne refers to an oath she took - drink

Someone rises from the dead - drink

Three eyed-raven - drink with one eye closed

Too much?  Too little?  Probably need something with the Dothraki in there.

"No one" = drink

Boobs = drink.  And show your boobs.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

You and your wife will be dead by episode 2.

Challenge accepted.  Will report back.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Not much drinking based on that drinking game for ep 1.

 

[babydemon90]

So...

 Fate of Jon Snow seems up in the air.  Still think Red Woman reviving him is the +EV right now.  They're keeping the body around, she's front and center, etc..

Dorne seems to be taking a completely different path then the books.  All bets off here.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So we are totally off the rails in Dorne and with Jaime really. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So did Drogon burn the ships or the sons of the harpy?  Kind of a #### move to have Tyrion say "looks like we won't be sailing for westeros any time soon."

 

[Stoneys]

So did Drogon burn the ships or the sons of the harpy?  Kind of a #### move to have Tyrion say "looks like we won't be sailing for westeros any time soon."

I believe it was the Sons of the Harpy, as that is who Tyrion and Varys were talking about while walking.

 

[massraider]

So did Drogon burn the ships or the sons of the harpy?  Kind of a #### move to have Tyrion say "looks like we won't be sailing for westeros any time soon."

Sons of the Harpy, I assume.  

I hope Jon Snow is actually dead, and not just mostly dead.  I'm a little nervous about his body still being around.  I like the idea that the way everyone thinks it's going to end, is NOT the way it's going to end.

Although if Lady Stoneheart were to appear, breath some life into her former ******* step-son, and they went on a zombie rampage over at Winterfell, I could get behind that.  

 

[Rustoleum]

If you are going to leave Jon truly dead, why even film the staredown during the Hardhome battle? Why bother having Jon be the one who learns about dragon glass and Valryian steel, burning the dead, etc. to just snuff him? Getting a little late in the game to go to the "kill a protagonist" well again.

That's why I think he has to come back in some form.

Even Southpark eventually lightened up on killing Kenny at some point.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Boner deflater