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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (13 Viewers)

Apparently GRRM has recently said at balcon that Brienne of Tarth is a decendant of Ser Duncan the Tall. 
Good dovetail there. That's one of the things I really like about his storytelling, connecting those details together adds depth to his world. The only drawback could be that it would make the world smaller (only a handful of related individuals are important - like Robert Jordan), but he's built such a huge world with so many interesting characters that it's not a problem in this story.

 
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Someone on one of the fan boards figured out that Dunk must have married Brienne's father's grandmother (I think I have that right). I wouldn't be surprised if Martin didn't mention it again in the main story, but I'm sure we'll see Sir Duncan with his future wife in the Dunk and Egg stories to come.

 
Someone on one of the fan boards figured out that Dunk must have married Brienne's father's grandmother (I think I have that right). I wouldn't be surprised if Martin didn't mention it again in the main story, but I'm sure we'll see Sir Duncan with his future wife in the Dunk and Egg stories to come.
I guess it means he doesn't end up with the too tall puppeteer girl.

 
Who knows? Maybe she was the Tarth he married, or maybe not. Maybe we'll never see the too-tall girl again.

One of things I like about this story is that I don't think everything gets tied up in a neat bow. Opportunities get missed. Not everything that's "supposed" to happen, will. I can guarantee that, when these books are done, people are going to be ####### outraged because not every prophecy/theory/whatever has been explained.

Prophecies and visions, especially, I think are going to be left open to multiple interpretations. Martin has gone to great pains already to show how wrong folks can be at reading these things. 

 
So is the Dornish storyline done in the show?  Have we seen them at all since they killed Doran?  I mean I'm not complaining, because the show ruined their story and the acting of the surviving Dornish has been terrible, but it seems like it's been forever since we've seen them and that the entire thing other than Oberyn was pointless. 

 
So is the Dornish storyline done in the show?  Have we seen them at all since they killed Doran?  I mean I'm not complaining, because the show ruined their story and the acting of the surviving Dornish has been terrible, but it seems like it's been forever since we've seen them and that the entire thing other than Oberyn was pointless. 
Hopefully, it was very weak. The Viper was a legendary character, but nothing else Dorne related has been worth a damn. Ok, the one titty shot was great, but that could have been worked in somewhere other way.

 
So is the Dornish storyline done in the show?  Have we seen them at all since they killed Doran?  I mean I'm not complaining, because the show ruined their story and the acting of the surviving Dornish has been terrible, but it seems like it's been forever since we've seen them and that the entire thing other than Oberyn was pointless. 
From what I understand they will show up later in the season, but yes, we will get a 4-5 episode break from that BS. 

 
I am pretty sure this show is going to end up like "Lost."   Just a ton of awesome buildup, and then a WTF ending where there are tons of loose ends. 

 
I am pretty sure this show is going to end up like "Lost."   Just a ton of awesome buildup, and then a WTF ending where there are tons of loose ends. 
I think that Lost was clearly supposed to be purgatory from the beginning. Then everybody figured it out, so the writers switched to this alternate reality thing where the island wasn't purgatory but basically the flash forward or whatever was. 

Hopefully grrm does does not make the same mistake and change the story due to everybody figuring out r + l = j. 

 
I'd be interested in hearing the rationale behind the shows decisions in regards to Dorne.  Alexander Siddig isn't exactly Robert DeNiro in regards to name recogntion, but he is recognizable enough to not simply be a throw away character who gets stabbed 10 minutes into the shows season premiere.  Also, there's such a departure from the character in the books ("the snake that hides the grass"). I wonder if they were going to originally have him involved in the murder of Mycella (his second chances speech) and then go off on some amalgamation of book stories that puts him as the catalyst for Dorne join with Dany(maybe his son takes on the role of courting Dany)?  As it stands, I imagine they'll have the Sand Snakes be the ones who look to side with Dany.....but that's just a hot mess and sloppy in the execution.  Would have been much simpler (and IMO, more believable) to keep Siddig/Martell and run with the above situation.  

 
Where is Bronn? Jamie mentioned him last week but we haven't seen him yet this season. Did Jamie promise to marry him off to a lady better than Lollys? 

 
I assumed we were done with Dorne in the show until they showed up with an army somewhere to fight the Lannisters at a dramatic moment. 

 
Where is Bronn? Jamie mentioned him last week but we haven't seen him yet this season. Did Jamie promise to marry him off to a lady better than Lollys? 
Bronn being Bronn. Prolly neck deep in Kings Landings whores #### with a mug of ale.  He only shows up for the important fights. 

 
I'd be interested in hearing the rationale behind the shows decisions in regards to Dorne.  Alexander Siddig isn't exactly Robert DeNiro in regards to name recogntion, but he is recognizable enough to not simply be a throw away character who gets stabbed 10 minutes into the shows season premiere.  Also, there's such a departure from the character in the books ("the snake that hides the grass"). I wonder if they were going to originally have him involved in the murder of Mycella (his second chances speech) and then go off on some amalgamation of book stories that puts him as the catalyst for Dorne join with Dany(maybe his son takes on the role of courting Dany)?  As it stands, I imagine they'll have the Sand Snakes be the ones who look to side with Dany.....but that's just a hot mess and sloppy in the execution.  Would have been much simpler (and IMO, more believable) to keep Siddig/Martell and run with the above situation.  
Agreed. I just don't understand what the show was trying to do with Dorne. I have zero issues with departures from the books, but the whole Dorne subplot doesn't make any sense. So far, anyway. Maybe they pull it all together at some point, though I'd be happier finding out they realized they screwed up and just have Drogon torch the entire region (& everyone in it)

 
I think the show simply screwed the pooch in regard to the Dorne adaptation. I'm sure they were trying to streamline it a bit from how it is in the books (who really misses Quentin "Toast" Martell?), but they weren't able to execute it. They figured out between last season and this that they'd botched it, so they've pretty much jettisoned it. It's one area where the show suffered from Martin not getting out in front with the books.

 
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Well, they needed Dorne to kill off Myrcella - I suppose she could have died off screen - but, really the Sand boobs were worth it.  Thanks to the internet, I can forget the plot, but the boobs live on forever.

 
I was looking forward to Ian McShane delivering the "Broken Man" speech, one of the iconic pieces of text from the books. I thought it was great casting, if only for one episode, just to deliver those lines. It was surprising seeing him hanging there at the end without having heard it, particularly since the title of the episode was "The Broken Man".

 
Why didn't Jon and Sansa approach House Reed for help? Too far? 
It seemed like they were just hitting up whoever was between Castle Black and Winterfell. I wonder what will happen with the Manderlys- they've been mentioned a number of times at this point, it would be a little odd to just discard them. 

 
So Sansa is bringing the Knights of the vale. 
It seems likely, but not certain based on what we saw. I was expecting to see the Manderly's last night, although it would not have made sense geographically for Jon and Sansa's tour to hit White Harbor. Surely, they will be joining the battle at some point. I think casting of Wyman was confirmed for this season. 

 
It seems likely, but not certain based on what we saw. I was expecting to see the Manderly's last night, although it would not have made sense geographically for Jon and Sansa's tour to hit White Harbor. Surely, they will be joining the battle at some point. I think casting of Wyman was confirmed for this season. 
Manderly's gotta be in the next episode or it aint happening.

 
The Jamie/Brienne scenario becomes a bit interesting in that they tipped back to Jamie's oath to Lady Stark.  Any chance Jamie, upon being reminded by Brienne, takes the Lannister Army North (or does he go by himself with Brienne/Bronn) to assist Jon?

To that, does Brienne run afoul of The Hound while in the Riverlands and get killed?  

 
The Jamie/Brienne scenario becomes a bit interesting in that they tipped back to Jamie's oath to Lady Stark.  Any chance Jamie, upon being reminded by Brienne, takes the Lannister Army North (or does he go by himself with Brienne/Bronn) to assist Jon?

To that, does Brienne run afoul of The Hound while in the Riverlands and get killed?  
Especially when Lannisters always pay their debts....I would think Jamie would have to.

 
The Jamie/Brienne scenario becomes a bit interesting in that they tipped back to Jamie's oath to Lady Stark.  Any chance Jamie, upon being reminded by Brienne, takes the Lannister Army North (or does he go by himself with Brienne/Bronn) to assist Jon?

To that, does Brienne run afoul of The Hound while in the Riverlands and get killed?  
Maybe Brienne (Ser Duncan's descendant) is heading for being head of Danaerys's (Egg's descendant) king's guard eventually.

 
Sure...in the stomach.  Hurt like hell, but she should be able to get to the acting troupe in enough time for one of them to save her. 
Either that waif is really bad at killing people, or she went against Jaqen's instructions on not making Arya suffer. Seems like it was definitely personal for the waif - no reason to drop the disguise and show Arya who was killing her otherwise. I think a man might not be so happy with that servant if Arya doesn't die.

Kinda hoping the Iron Bank somehow ends up responsible for saving Arya's life, and in return they send her out to collect some of their debts in Westeros.

 
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Either that waif is really bad at killing people, or she went against Jaqen's instructions on not making Arya suffer. Seems like it was definitely personal for the waif - no reason to drop the disguise and show Arya who was killing her otherwise. I think a man might not be so happy with that servant if Arya doesn't die.
One way or another a new face will wind up on the wall :popcorn:

 
With the whole face thing - they can only use faces of the dead they've "served" in the temple, right? I'm just trying to rule out a scenario where Arya and/or waif could have used each others faces.

 
With the whole face thing - they can only use faces of the dead they've "served" in the temple, right? I'm just trying to rule out a scenario where Arya and/or waif could have used each others faces.
They cut the faces off the corpses. So, no living people can be mimicked.

 
Kinda hoping the Iron Bank somehow ends up responsible for saving Arya's life, and in return they send her out to collect some of their debts in Westeros.
I was just thinking that the Iron Bank storyline in the books seemed to have promise, and that it was unfortunate they didn't seem to be pursuing in th show.  I like this idea.

 
I was just thinking that the Iron Bank storyline in the books seemed to have promise, and that it was unfortunate they didn't seem to be pursuing in th show.  I like this idea.
Yeah, seems like they've been doing the obvious for a while now though, so she'll probably end up back with the actress she saved/acting troupe.

 
My impression was that it was intended as a message to GTF out of there. I'm fine and will figure out how to right the ship. 
I figure Margery thinks she can control the Sparrows if she's a convincing enough actor to fool them into believing she's a true convert.

 
Yeah the note with the rose was just a signal that it's all an act and she's still loyal to her family.

 

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