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HC Andy Reid, KC (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Wonder what he does with the 1.1.
QB?
DT?
DE?
OT?
QB?
DT?
DE?
OT?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Just clicked on the link a second time to make sure it went to the same page I read earlier.It did.
Kleck
Footballguy
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
QB's right now are Quinn or Cassel with Baldwin as the #1 WR.. we'll seeLove it for Charles.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Geno Smith will be the pick and his Fantasy Stock will go way up
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
if thats the case Reid will be fired in 3 years. Geno Smith shouldnt sniff the top 10 in my opinion.
Hmm, he's better than Romeo for sure, but I'm not looking forward to watching Andy abandon the run either.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Yeah, if he wants geno he needs to trade down.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
theres a lot of QB needy teams in the top 10
Kleck
Footballguy
I don't think it matters. It's not like Charles was ever getting 300 carries before. Abandon the run and Charles gets more catches. Reid has always involved his RBs in the passing game.Hmm, he's better than Romeo for sure, but I'm not looking forward to watching Andy abandon the run either.
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
flip side to that.. not 1 QB in this draft class should be in the top 10. So many teams are desperate for QB and willing to gamble (for many reasons) which is costing them progress.Geno, Barkley, Jones are not franchise QB's in my opinion but most likely some team reaches up. Almost reminds me of the 11 class excluding Newton.
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Nucker101
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Bigboy10182000
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I'd be willing to bet that a majority of Eagles fans had him ousted in 3 years if he took a job right away. Let alone a 2-14 team with no QB. McNabb-Vick-Geno.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Probably 75% of the people out there thought Newton was a huge reach, me included. I see no reason Geno can't succeed in the NFL if given a good situation and good coach (and I'm far from a Geno fan).
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
Not sure after the show he put on at the combine
Im not talking about succeeding in the NFL.. Im talking about franchise QB. Smith is rated in that 20-30 range by many scouts right now which could change so Im not shutting the door completely but I dont see top tier pick. He was good at times this year but also put up some donuts when it counted most.I wasnt sold on Cam either but his pre draft college season was off the charts and physically beasted at the combine. I was a bit surprised he went #1 but I thought he would go top 10.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
one thing is for sure, Andy won't be having Bowe leave.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And that's where you're wrong. He could give a #### about a WR. If it comes down to OL (Albert) versus Bowe then you can kiss him good bye. You will not see a WR making a ton in KC, ever.
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beef
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$mart move i$ to let hi$ ### go.
Otis
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Enormous news for him. First time in his career with a competent coach. Reid will know how to use him, and will use him well. Don't be surprised to see Charles finish top3 RB in 2013.
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
Charles had 300+ touches and 1700 yards this year.. what QB and WR's are making the Chiefs so dynamic that they all of the sudden boost his value that much more with the pieces in place right now?Enormous news for him. First time in his career with a competent coach. Reid will know how to use him, and will use him well. Don't be surprised to see Charles finish top3 RB in 2013.
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rjv
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Why? He never ran the ball in Philly
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
In my scoring system (.5ppr for RB and 1 per 10), Charles finished 9th with only 36 catches for 236 yards receciving. Add say 14 catches (shady had 48 and 70 last 2 years) and 100 more yards receiving (this year's yards per catch was 6.5) then a moderate uptick of 4 TD for not having an inept O (Shady with 20 and 10 last 2 years healthy) would give Charles an additional 45 points.Again, in my scoring system, that would have put him @ #4 this year. Not so much of a stretch to say he finishes top 3 just bases upon a moderate uptick in receptions and (albeit random) TD.I think in most performance based scoring systems that Charles was already close or in the top ten being under utilzed with a horrible QB and O scheme. Top 3 not a huge stretch.Charles had 300+ touches and 1700 yards this year.. what QB and WR's are making the Chiefs so dynamic that they all of the sudden boost his value that much more with the pieces in place right now?Enormous news for him. First time in his career with a competent coach. Reid will know how to use him, and will use him well. Don't be surprised to see Charles finish top3 RB in 2013.
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
You're right, my bad.. I didnt realize all those yards over shadowed his lack of TDs
He also had 7 games under 9 points in standard leagues and 4 under 5 points so yes.. top 3 isnt a stretch at all.. even with Brady, Cassel or whoever
mquinnjr
Footballguy
Reid is RB kryptonite. He will have (insert QB name here) throw 50 times a game. He criminally underused Shady, and Shady put up in spite of Reid, not because of him. I'd wait to see how everything develops this of season before making a call on projecting Charles under Reid.Why? He never ran the ball in Philly
jurb26
Footballguy
Charles is already criminally underused so it really can't get any worse for Charles. If Reid can actually get the offense playing better football then Charles benefits, like everyone else because there will be more plays, yards and scoring opportunities to be had. I see this as a push at worst for Charles, a slight uptick as likely and a major uptick as best case.Reid is RB kryptonite. He will have (insert QB name here) throw 50 times a game. He criminally underused Shady, and Shady put up in spite of Reid, not because of him. I'd wait to see how everything develops this of season before making a call on projecting Charles under Reid.Why? He never ran the ball in Philly
rjv
Footballguy
Fixed
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KellysHeroes
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lol
I think Reid does some things wrong but his rb's usually put up very good numbers because they catch so many passes and he doesn't use a 2nd rb very much so his rb's usually get a lot of Td's. If you think McCoy's FANTASY value will go up because Reid is gone I disagree just like I dont see Charles value going down but I hope his owners do.
T Bell
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Spoken like someone who just started watching football this year. Westbrook and McCoy averaged roughly 113 YFS / game and 11 TDs / season as Reid's featured RBs.Reid is RB kryptonite. He criminally underused Shady, and Shady put up in spite of Reid, not because of him. I'd wait to see how everything develops this of season before making a call on projecting Charles under Reid.Why? He never ran the ball in Philly
Coeur de Lion
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Enormous news for him. First time in his career with a competent coach. Reid will know how to use him, and will use him well. Don't be surprised to see Charles finish top3 RB in 2013.
PPR he's probably #1 on my board as of now.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Over the last eight years Reid's primary RB (Wesbrook and McCoy) averaged 4.8 receptions per game. That's 76 per season.
Add 30-40 receptions to Charles's total and he's a top 3-5 back with #1 upside even if he loses a carry or two a game.
All assuming Reid finds a serviceable QB of course.
ETA: Westbrook as a starter averaged 23.4ppg over five years, and McCoy as a starter averaged 21.0ppg over three seasons.
Add 30-40 receptions to Charles's total and he's a top 3-5 back with #1 upside even if he loses a carry or two a game.
All assuming Reid finds a serviceable QB of course.
ETA: Westbrook as a starter averaged 23.4ppg over five years, and McCoy as a starter averaged 21.0ppg over three seasons.
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Tanner9919
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I'm not sure how or why the Chiefs hiring of Reid is a good thing..color me skeptical..
Since 2004, Reid has finished better than .500 just 4 times..
in that 8 year span, Reid's W-L record is just 66-61-1..I can't think of another coach in NFL history who has been so bad,for so long,and still held onto his job as long as Reid has..
for those who love the hiring because of what they think it'll mean for J. Charles, temper your enthusiasm somewhat..neither Westy or McCoy finished with more than 278 carries and 1333 yards, so any add'l recs will be offset by a lack of rushing yards - meaning Charles goes down to about 1300 yards from 1509 he had this season.Most leagues score RB's at 1 pt per 10 rush yards..so that's roughly 20 pts lost on yardage alone..now, sure, there'll be a net gain in fantasy pts for Charles, but neglible at best..I do not see Charles becoming any more vaulable or more prolific than ,say, Ray Rice if/when Norv Turner becomes OC, or Doug Martin, or Foster, ADP, etc..
why do we summarily dismiss what the Eagles' fans are telling us about Reid: that he's a bad in-game coach, bad with clock management, too pass-happy, and a questionable talent evaluator..
Since 2004, Reid has finished better than .500 just 4 times..
in that 8 year span, Reid's W-L record is just 66-61-1..I can't think of another coach in NFL history who has been so bad,for so long,and still held onto his job as long as Reid has..
for those who love the hiring because of what they think it'll mean for J. Charles, temper your enthusiasm somewhat..neither Westy or McCoy finished with more than 278 carries and 1333 yards, so any add'l recs will be offset by a lack of rushing yards - meaning Charles goes down to about 1300 yards from 1509 he had this season.Most leagues score RB's at 1 pt per 10 rush yards..so that's roughly 20 pts lost on yardage alone..now, sure, there'll be a net gain in fantasy pts for Charles, but neglible at best..I do not see Charles becoming any more vaulable or more prolific than ,say, Ray Rice if/when Norv Turner becomes OC, or Doug Martin, or Foster, ADP, etc..
why do we summarily dismiss what the Eagles' fans are telling us about Reid: that he's a bad in-game coach, bad with clock management, too pass-happy, and a questionable talent evaluator..
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Its been mentioned around this board a few times...Rich Kotite is considered one of the worst Eagles HC's in the modern era and his 4 year tenure was better than Reid's last 4. Reid has lived off of 2000-2004. Beyond that he has been average at best. His last 4 years produced 0 playoff wins. Yet he was the "big prize" of this off-season. Lovie Smith was almost as good in his tenure with the Bears than Reid was in those same years, yet I don't hear squat about Lovie.KC fans can hope the change brings out the fire in Reid once again.I'm not sure how or why the Chiefs hiring of Reid is a good thing..color me skeptical..
Since 2004, Reid has finished better than .500 just 4 times..
in that 8 year span, Reid's W-L record is just 66-61-1..I can't think of another coach in NFL history who has been so bad,for so long,and still held onto his job as long as Reid has..
for those who love the hiring because of what they think it'll mean for J. Charles, temper your enthusiasm somewhat..neither Westy or McCoy finished with more than 278 carries and 1333 yards, so any add'l recs will be offset by a lack of rushing yards - meaning Charles goes down to about 1300 yards from 1509 he had this season.Most leagues score RB's at 1 pt per 10 rush yards..so that's roughly 20 pts lost on yardage alone..now, sure, there'll be a net gain in fantasy pts for Charles, but neglible at best..I do not see Charles becoming any more vaulable or more prolific than ,say, Ray Rice if/when Norv Turner becomes OC, or Doug Martin, or Foster, ADP, etc..
why do we summarily dismiss what the Eagles' fans are telling us about Reid: that he's a bad in-game coach, bad with clock management, too pass-happy, and a questionable talent evaluator..
JetMaxx
Footballguy
I'm not sure how or why the Chiefs hiring of Reid is a good thing..color me skeptical..
Since 2004, Reid has finished better than .500 just 4 times..
in that 8 year span, Reid's W-L record is just 66-61-1..I can't think of another coach in NFL history who has been so bad,for so long,and still held onto his job as long as Reid has..
for those who love the hiring because of what they think it'll mean for J. Charles, temper your enthusiasm somewhat..neither Westy or McCoy finished with more than 278 carries and 1333 yards, so any add'l recs will be offset by a lack of rushing yards - meaning Charles goes down to about 1300 yards from 1509 he had this season.Most leagues score RB's at 1 pt per 10 rush yards..so that's roughly 20 pts lost on yardage alone..now, sure, there'll be a net gain in fantasy pts for Charles, but neglible at best..I do not see Charles becoming any more vaulable or more prolific than ,say, Ray Rice if/when Norv Turner becomes OC, or Doug Martin, or Foster, ADP, etc..
why do we summarily dismiss what the Eagles' fans are telling us about Reid: that he's a bad in-game coach, bad with clock management, too pass-happy, and a questionable talent evaluator..
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Good is relative. Reid certainly wasn't as good the second half of his tenure in Philly as he was in the first, but even that version of Reid is significantly better than 2012 Romeo Crennel.
More importantly for FF, his ability to coach offensive football vs. Brian Daboll is not something even the most vehement Reid hater would care to argue. Outside of this past year's total meltdown, Reid has put together top-10 (at worst) offenses in both scoring and yardage consistently throughout his entire career. The Chiefs' awful offensive showing this year (24th in yards, dead last in points) is actually the BEST showing that a Daboll-led offense has managed to produce during his three years as a coordinator with two different teams.
A jump to 7 - 9 and a 10th - 15th ranked offense would represent a massive improvement over the mess in KC last year.
More importantly for FF, his ability to coach offensive football vs. Brian Daboll is not something even the most vehement Reid hater would care to argue. Outside of this past year's total meltdown, Reid has put together top-10 (at worst) offenses in both scoring and yardage consistently throughout his entire career. The Chiefs' awful offensive showing this year (24th in yards, dead last in points) is actually the BEST showing that a Daboll-led offense has managed to produce during his three years as a coordinator with two different teams.
A jump to 7 - 9 and a 10th - 15th ranked offense would represent a massive improvement over the mess in KC last year.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
2 problems there-- 1. That bridge may very well be burned after the whole Vick fiasco. 2. KC will take a QB and I'm sure any QB that comes there via FA would expect it.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
No. 1 in KC offense goes without saying...
Bowe is still going to do very well, good to extremely.
After that?
Bowe is still going to do very well, good to extremely.
After that?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Interesting comments here...I'm not sure how or why the Chiefs hiring of Reid is a good thing..color me skeptical..
Since 2004, Reid has finished better than .500 just 4 times..
in that 8 year span, Reid's W-L record is just 66-61-1..I can't think of another coach in NFL history who has been so bad,for so long,and still held onto his job as long as Reid has..
for those who love the hiring because of what they think it'll mean for J. Charles, temper your enthusiasm somewhat..neither Westy or McCoy finished with more than 278 carries and 1333 yards, so any add'l recs will be offset by a lack of rushing yards - meaning Charles goes down to about 1300 yards from 1509 he had this season.Most leagues score RB's at 1 pt per 10 rush yards..so that's roughly 20 pts lost on yardage alone..now, sure, there'll be a net gain in fantasy pts for Charles, but neglible at best..I do not see Charles becoming any more vaulable or more prolific than ,say, Ray Rice if/when Norv Turner becomes OC, or Doug Martin, or Foster, ADP, etc..
why do we summarily dismiss what the Eagles' fans are telling us about Reid: that he's a bad in-game coach, bad with clock management, too pass-happy, and a questionable talent evaluator..
JetMaxx
Footballguy
I can't wait to watch Reid make the "great" Alex Smith throw the ball 50 times and call a time out 3 plays into KC's opening drive of the game.I'm not sure how or why the Chiefs hiring of Reid is a good thing..color me skeptical..
Since 2004, Reid has finished better than .500 just 4 times..
in that 8 year span, Reid's W-L record is just 66-61-1..I can't think of another coach in NFL history who has been so bad,for so long,and still held onto his job as long as Reid has..
for those who love the hiring because of what they think it'll mean for J. Charles, temper your enthusiasm somewhat..neither Westy or McCoy finished with more than 278 carries and 1333 yards, so any add'l recs will be offset by a lack of rushing yards - meaning Charles goes down to about 1300 yards from 1509 he had this season.Most leagues score RB's at 1 pt per 10 rush yards..so that's roughly 20 pts lost on yardage alone..now, sure, there'll be a net gain in fantasy pts for Charles, but neglible at best..I do not see Charles becoming any more vaulable or more prolific than ,say, Ray Rice if/when Norv Turner becomes OC, or Doug Martin, or Foster, ADP, etc..
why do we summarily dismiss what the Eagles' fans are telling us about Reid: that he's a bad in-game coach, bad with clock management, too pass-happy, and a questionable talent evaluator..
