HC Bill Belichick, (1 Viewer)

[Lansdowne]

"greatest coach of all time" can't get hired into the NFL.

Odd.

Feels like there some level of black-balling from Kraft going on IMO

That or, ya know, he had zero success before/after Tom Brady in the NFL...

I think saying zero is unfair. He brought the Browns to a wildcard round win over Parcells’ Patriots in the 1994 season and the team was on the upswing until Modell made it official he was moving the team out of Cleveland. He absolutely lucked into Brady in multiple ways (he was talked into taking Brady over Rattay in the 2000 Draft thanks to Rehbein, then the Bledsoe injury in 2001), but took a Pats team led by Mac Jones to a 10-win season and wildcard berth (and got spanked by Buffalo of course). Before being a head coach he was already one of the best defensive minds in football. I think the main problem is BB the GM sabotaged BB the HC, and apparently continues to do so. He won’t take any HC job where he isn’t also the overlord, and no current NFL GM is going to sign their own death warrant by hiring him. It’s much simpler to try finding the next great young coach instead, and offensive minded coaches are en vogue. Dallas would’ve made the most sense but Jerry Jones likes his coaches subservient.

 

[Lansdowne]

I think also overhauling a coaching staff with a group of Belichick’s cronies is not very appealing to NFL teams given the lack of success from Belichick disciples. Also have to think the mismanagement of the 2022 team raised some eyebrows.

 

[Anarchy99]

"greatest coach of all time" can't get hired into the NFL.

Odd.

Feels like there some level of black-balling from Kraft going on IMO

That or, ya know, he had zero success before/after Tom Brady in the NFL...

I think saying zero is unfair. He brought the Browns to a wildcard round win over Parcells’ Patriots in the 1994 season and the team was on the upswing until Modell made it official he was moving the team out of Cleveland. He absolutely lucked into Brady in multiple ways (he was talked into taking Brady over Rattay in the 2000 Draft thanks to Rehbein, then the Bledsoe injury in 2001), but took a Pats team led by Mac Jones to a 10-win season and wildcard berth (and got spanked by Buffalo of course). Before being a head coach he was already one of the best defensive minds in football. I think the main problem is BB the GM sabotaged BB the HC, and apparently continues to do so. He won’t take any HC job where he isn’t also the overlord, and no current NFL GM is going to sign their own death warrant by hiring him. It’s much simpler to try finding the next great young coach instead, and offensive minded coaches are en vogue. Dallas would’ve made the most sense but Jerry Jones likes his coaches subservient.

The list of head coaches that have had extended success with more than one quarterback (or on more than one franchise) is very short. I know people like to bring up the "BB couldn't win without Brady" narrative, but the early NE SB winning teams were not all about Brady. He was an important piece. The second run of championships was a lot more about Brady.

It's entirely possible for Brady to have been great and for BB to have been a master in cap management, team development, defense, game scheming, and in game adjustments. By the end of the run, the team and the talent level was inferior . . . meaning NE wasn't going to win again even with Brady (and would look really bad without him). A large part of blame pie falls on Bill, as his draft picks, free agent signings, and coaching staffing decisions were poor.

NE had 30 playoff wins in the time BB was there (which of course all were with Brady). There were 20 teams that did not even have 10 post season wins in that time. The Ravens were second at 17 wins. Of all sports, football is a team game, with outcomes influenced by play calls, coaching, and player selection and development. There's no doubt that Brady was a huge reason for their success . . . but way more went on from game to game that Brady had nothing to do with than things he did impact.

 

[Terpman22]

"greatest coach of all time" can't get hired into the NFL.

Odd.

Feels like there some level of black-balling from Kraft going on IMO

That or, ya know, he had zero success before/after Tom Brady in the NFL...

I think saying zero is unfair. He brought the Browns to a wildcard round win over Parcells’ Patriots in the 1994 season and the team was on the upswing until Modell made it official he was moving the team out of Cleveland. He absolutely lucked into Brady in multiple ways (he was talked into taking Brady over Rattay in the 2000 Draft thanks to Rehbein, then the Bledsoe injury in 2001), but took a Pats team led by Mac Jones to a 10-win season and wildcard berth (and got spanked by Buffalo of course). Before being a head coach he was already one of the best defensive minds in football. I think the main problem is BB the GM sabotaged BB the HC, and apparently continues to do so. He won’t take any HC job where he isn’t also the overlord, and no current NFL GM is going to sign their own death warrant by hiring him. It’s much simpler to try finding the next great young coach instead, and offensive minded coaches are en vogue. Dallas would’ve made the most sense but Jerry Jones likes his coaches subservient.

The list of head coaches that have had extended success with more than one quarterback (or on more than one franchise) is very short. I know people like to bring up the "BB couldn't win without Brady" narrative, but the early NE SB winning teams were not all about Brady. He was an important piece. The second run of championships was a lot more about Brady.

It's entirely possible for Brady to have been great and for BB to have been a master in cap management, team development, defense, game scheming, and in game adjustments. By the end of the run, the team and the talent level was inferior . . . meaning NE wasn't going to win again even with Brady (and would look really bad without him). A large part of blame pie falls on Bill, as his draft picks, free agent signings, and coaching staffing decisions were poor.

NE had 30 playoff wins in the time BB was there (which of course all were with Brady). There were 20 teams that did not even have 10 post season wins in that time. The Ravens were second at 17 wins. Of all sports, football is a team game, with outcomes influenced by play calls, coaching, and player selection and development. There's no doubt that Brady was a huge reason for their success . . . but way more went on from game to game that Brady had nothing to do with than things he did impact.

Sure but at the same time, off the top of my head, Peyton Manning is the only one to win Super Bowls with 2 separate teams. And Tom Brady WAS the reason they won his last w Tampa, while Manning was a "carried QB" at this point in his legacy. But its a fun discussion to have. BB is a legendary defensive mastermind so its not like he's a bad coach or anything even close to that. Just a matter of his ceiling in my view with/without Tom.

 

[Wingnut]

Schefter:

For those wondering whether new North Carolina coach Bill Belichick would jump back to the NFL, this is what he said at his introductory press conference today: “I didn’t come here to leave.”

 

[Anarchy99]

Sure but at the same time, off the top of my head, Peyton Manning is the only one to win Super Bowls with 2 separate teams. And Tom Brady WAS the reason they won his last w Tampa, while Manning was a "carried QB" at this point in his legacy. But its a fun discussion to have. BB is a legendary defensive mastermind so its not like he's a bad coach or anything even close to that. Just a matter of his ceiling in my view with/without Tom.

I may be in the minority, but IMO the COVID year deserves an asterisk (just like the bubble year for the NBA). TB was fortunate enough to go on the road and play in front of an empty stadiums or a few fans in the stands. In a regular year, I don't think they would have won the title. No way to prove it, of course, but way easier to win a road playoff game when it's essentially a scrimmage. They played at WAS (0 fans), NOS (3,750), and GBP (7,772) before the cherry on top . . . playing at home for the SB (24,835). I get it, a trophy is a trophy, but about as much went right for the Bucs that season as possible.

 

[Boston]

"greatest coach of all time" can't get hired into the NFL.

Odd.

Feels like there some level of black-balling from Kraft going on IMO

That or, ya know, he had zero success before/after Tom Brady in the NFL...

I think saying zero is unfair. He brought the Browns to a wildcard round win over Parcells’ Patriots in the 1994 season and the team was on the upswing until Modell made it official he was moving the team out of Cleveland. He absolutely lucked into Brady in multiple ways (he was talked into taking Brady over Rattay in the 2000 Draft thanks to Rehbein, then the Bledsoe injury in 2001), but took a Pats team led by Mac Jones to a 10-win season and wildcard berth (and got spanked by Buffalo of course). Before being a head coach he was already one of the best defensive minds in football. I think the main problem is BB the GM sabotaged BB the HC, and apparently continues to do so. He won’t take any HC job where he isn’t also the overlord, and no current NFL GM is going to sign their own death warrant by hiring him. It’s much simpler to try finding the next great young coach instead, and offensive minded coaches are en vogue. Dallas would’ve made the most sense but Jerry Jones likes his coaches subservient.

The list of head coaches that have had extended success with more than one quarterback (or on more than one franchise) is very short. I know people like to bring up the "BB couldn't win without Brady" narrative, but the early NE SB winning teams were not all about Brady. He was an important piece. The second run of championships was a lot more about Brady.

It's entirely possible for Brady to have been great and for BB to have been a master in cap management, team development, defense, game scheming, and in game adjustments. By the end of the run, the team and the talent level was inferior . . . meaning NE wasn't going to win again even with Brady (and would look really bad without him). A large part of blame pie falls on Bill, as his draft picks, free agent signings, and coaching staffing decisions were poor.

NE had 30 playoff wins in the time BB was there (which of course all were with Brady). There were 20 teams that did not even have 10 post season wins in that time. The Ravens were second at 17 wins. Of all sports, football is a team game, with outcomes influenced by play calls, coaching, and player selection and development. There's no doubt that Brady was a huge reason for their success . . . but way more went on from game to game that Brady had nothing to do with than things he did impact.

Agreed...this topic has been beaten to depth but if you look at the history of the Super Bowl era it is very common for a H-o-F HC to have a H-o-F QB (and vice versa):

Lombardi-Starr
Walsh-Montana
Weeb Ewbank-Joe Namath
Bud Grant-Fran Tarkenton
Jimmy Johnson-Troy Aikman
Marv Levy-Jim Kelly
John Madden-Kenny Stabler
Chuck Noll-Terry Bradshaw
Don Shula-Bob Griese/Dan Marino
Hank Stram-Len Dawson
Don Coryell-Dan Fouts
Tony Dungy-Peyton Manning
**** Vermeil-Kurt Warner (kind of an asterisk because he did not coach Warner long...but that is his only ring and may not be in if he doesn't win that one)
Tom Landry-Roger Staubach (had other QBs like Meredith, Morton and White as well)

I will add in Elway with both Reeves and Shanny as both coaches are close to getting in IMO.

This is one reason why Joe Gibbs is really under-rated...he won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different non-Hall-of-Fame QBs...Parcells with 2 of them is another impressive accomplishment (having BB as a DC didn't hurt either)...Flores won two with Jim Plunkett who at the time was thought to be washed up...Cowher won his title with a future H-of-Famer in a young Big Ben but he had a very big chunk of his career without him.

So, while there is little doubt that BB owes a very big part of his success to having TB12 it is not an usual relationship in the modern NFL.

 

[Anarchy99]

This is one reason why Joe Gibbs is really under-rated...he won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different non-Hall-of-Fame QBs.

Gibbs is another example of benefitting from atypical seasons. Yes, he deserves major props for winning SB's with 3 different non-HOF QBs. But 2 of the 3 were in seasons impacted / shortened by strikes. Theisman and Schroeder were Pro Bowl selections and Top 5 MVP players those years and had great seasons. How they won in that middle season (1987) is a mystery. They didn't have great QB play and started 3 QBs in that season alone. Like the 2007 Pats, the best Gibbs team was the 1983 team (scored 541 points) . . . and they failed to cash in and lost in the SB. That team went 14-2 in the regular season . . . with both losses by 1 point. But they got spanked by the Raiders in the SB.

 

[nightmare]

Coach's gotta coach. Andy Reid is going to break Shula's record and Belichick is no longer chasing that.

 

[need2know]

This is going to be a must watch disaster

 

[Capella]

Sure but at the same time, off the top of my head, Peyton Manning is the only one to win Super Bowls with 2 separate teams. And Tom Brady WAS the reason they won his last w Tampa, while Manning was a "carried QB" at this point in his legacy. But its a fun discussion to have. BB is a legendary defensive mastermind so its not like he's a bad coach or anything even close to that. Just a matter of his ceiling in my view with/without Tom.

I may be in the minority, but IMO the COVID year deserves an asterisk (just like the bubble year for the NBA). TB was fortunate enough to go on the road and play in front of an empty stadiums or a few fans in the stands. In a regular year, I don't think they would have won the title. No way to prove it, of course, but way easier to win a road playoff game when it's essentially a scrimmage. They played at WAS (0 fans), NOS (3,750), and GBP (7,772) before the cherry on top . . . playing at home for the SB (24,835). I get it, a trophy is a trophy, but about as much went right for the Bucs that season as possible.

Hi. All teams played in the same conditions. If it was that easy your team or some other team would’ve done it. Thx.

 

[Mitchie]

Sure but at the same time, off the top of my head, Peyton Manning is the only one to win Super Bowls with 2 separate teams. And Tom Brady WAS the reason they won his last w Tampa, while Manning was a "carried QB" at this point in his legacy. But its a fun discussion to have. BB is a legendary defensive mastermind so its not like he's a bad coach or anything even close to that. Just a matter of his ceiling in my view with/without Tom.

I may be in the minority, but IMO the COVID year deserves an asterisk (just like the bubble year for the NBA). TB was fortunate enough to go on the road and play in front of an empty stadiums or a few fans in the stands. In a regular year, I don't think they would have won the title. No way to prove it, of course, but way easier to win a road playoff game when it's essentially a scrimmage. They played at WAS (0 fans), NOS (3,750), and GBP (7,772) before the cherry on top . . . playing at home for the SB (24,835). I get it, a trophy is a trophy, but about as much went right for the Bucs that season as possible.

i dunno, rules were the same for everyone, they were lucky the Super Bowl was in Tampa but an asterick?, nah.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

"greatest coach of all time" can't get hired into the NFL.

Odd.

Feels like there some level of black-balling from Kraft going on IMO

That or, ya know, he had zero success before/after Tom Brady in the NFL...

Are you under the impression that Bill deserves no credit for Brady's career? Was Brady a can't miss super stud coming into the league? I always looked at it as Brady doesn't become the great Brady without Bill and Bill isn't GOAT Bill without Brady.

 

[Anarchy99]

Sure but at the same time, off the top of my head, Peyton Manning is the only one to win Super Bowls with 2 separate teams. And Tom Brady WAS the reason they won his last w Tampa, while Manning was a "carried QB" at this point in his legacy. But its a fun discussion to have. BB is a legendary defensive mastermind so its not like he's a bad coach or anything even close to that. Just a matter of his ceiling in my view with/without Tom.

I may be in the minority, but IMO the COVID year deserves an asterisk (just like the bubble year for the NBA). TB was fortunate enough to go on the road and play in front of an empty stadiums or a few fans in the stands. In a regular year, I don't think they would have won the title. No way to prove it, of course, but way easier to win a road playoff game when it's essentially a scrimmage. They played at WAS (0 fans), NOS (3,750), and GBP (7,772) before the cherry on top . . . playing at home for the SB (24,835). I get it, a trophy is a trophy, but about as much went right for the Bucs that season as possible.

i dunno, rules were the same for everyone, they were lucky the Super Bowl was in Tampa but an asterick?, nah.

All titles count the same. The rules were the same for everyone. That doesn't change that we can all have opinions on how things could have gone in a "regular" season. IMO, I am not sure TB would have won a road game with 0 fans in WAS, followed by road games with hardly any fans again against HOFers Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, followed up with the SB in their own stadium. We can only judge what actually happened, so hats off to the Bucs for winning.

 

[Joey Wright]

We posted a poll yesterday about the new UNC head coach on the Footballguys Twitter account. Here were the results:

"What level of success do you think Bill Bill Belichick will have at the University of North Carolina?"

200 responses

National Championship: 9%

College Playoff: 35.5%

.500 record: 45.5%

None: 10%

 

[Bri]

We posted a poll yesterday about the new UNC head coach on the Footballguys Twitter account. Here were the results:

"What level of success do you think Bill Bill Belichick will have at the University of North Carolina?"

200 responses

National Championship: 9%

College Playoff: 35.5%

.500 record: 45.5%

None: 10%

I have seen a lot of people that don't wholly understand NIL. I'm one of them, no doubt, but I read to learn more.

I can't get into a discussion that the starting no name LB or the backup DB are probably not making much. There's a real common sentiment that everyone makes a lot of money.

The Sooners roster was absolutely gutted when Riley left and there's still a lot of people that think it takes 20 years to build a program.

I don't understand all of the $ stuff but UNC basketball does. So few even mention they're "right there" with the knowledge and contacts and everything.

I found it interesting that some "sponsors" left Alabama when Saban did. Are they looking for a new college to "sponsor?"

UNC football is not elite. There are a ton of twists that stem from this. You can't compare them to Ohio State. They're not chumps that you can compare to Some tiny college either and a lot of people are.

Many don't realize UNC has several players in the NFL and UFL

I was interested in the whole 4 mil currently and must raise to 8mil discussion before he agreed to go. These amounts don't match public perception of NIL.

There's a local kid that made the Sooners as a ST player. He was psyched to live in a beautiful dorm with catered meal(I think one per day idk) and not have to spend his summer job $ "surviving on ramen." I asked about NIL $ and he said he didn't get a scholarship and whatever he got went to the bursars office. Nowhere on social media does anyone discuss these type kids yet there are more of them on college rosters than not.

Michael Jordan does not like people talking about certain things. I can't keep track of all his quirks. He adores UNC and is lifelong friends with LT. Will he be giving them any $? Because he seems to almost have an endless supply of it.

Alumni are what paid for most of the incredible gotta see it to believe it type facilities at Texas high schools. These are better than most college facilities too.

Saban is a great friend to have when building a program.
Al Groh and Weis and...he's had plenty that did this before NIL that he can also talk to.

Vrabel and Belichick used to talk a lot about Connecticut and Boston College. Belichick llllloves the Army Navy game and programs. Everyone has BB creating another Alabama or USC but I'm not sure his definition of a successful program is that.
I think every BB fan knows he'd be a pig in mud type happy if he had 50 Army players "all in" and always giving their all and saying yes sir 100 times a day.

He is a sincere fan of the game. No I don't think he wants to visit some ordinary kid in some ordinary town but I also don't think he needs to. His recruiters can use his name.

Remember that high school a decade ago that had a weird alignment with like three linemen? Belichick loved talking about that. It was one of the longer times he spoke to the press and it was also like "school is in session" too. I have no doubt he'll be intrigued by some things.
I wouldn't be surprised if he visited one of these absurd schools in Texas. (Yep I know there are some in Ohio and Oklahoma and...) Bill, the fan, would be plenty happy in the show Friday Night Lights. I think a lot of people forget how big a fan of the game he is.

Anywho, these ginormous schools with gaudy indoor practice facilities and all...that's where a lot of the best players attend. Have you seen how extreme their love is for football? He'd visit and be treated like a king. I know he's already a big deal and it is traveling but I'm not so sure he wouldn't like to do that trip.

There are so many variables we pretend we know as fans but we don't usually. It's just too new and they pass rules and some states legislate things and...it's just too new.

I think there is so much to learn about NIL and colleges and Belichick is about to school us all.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Tom Brady reached out to Bill Belichick about the Raiders' vacant head coaching position, per report

Multiple teams have inquired about Belichick's possible interest in an NFL return

www.cbssports.com

This is interesting to me, hadn't thought about Brady the owner hiring Bill Belichick to be his head coach
Brady is going to be a fairly active owner it would seem

 

[Drake Hater]

Jordan does not like people talking about certain things. I can't keep track of all his quirks. He adores UNC and is lifelong friends with LT. Will he be giving them any $? Because he seems to almost have an endless supply of it.

Jordan probably won't be giving UNC NIL money. If I remember correctly he's not a fan of the new landscape and I'm not sure how close he remains to that program. He does own a car dealership in the area and word was that pre-NIL this was used as a recruiting tool to get players and families cars for free, and this was used for decades. Funny if he's anti-NIL but was open to using cars like this to help recruit.

Regardless, Belichick is going to lean on those wealthy UNC med and law school alums along with Kenan Flagler MBAs to raise NIL. It's likely going to work to get the recruits. No idea what the on field result will be.

 

[Faust]

Bill Belichick defends girlfriend Jordon Hudson after viral CBS interview

Wetzel: Never mind the girlfriend kerfuffle. Belichick will always be fine.

 

[Faust]

Bill Belichick says he took 'big risk' taking Patriots job