HC Jim Harbaugh, LAC (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Look he's a good coach. But he's basically Rex Ryan's offensive counterpart.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

 

[Sabertooth]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Why is he on the hot seat if he's so great? I think his act wore thin on people in the San Francisco organization. It isn't his football mind that is his problem obviously, it's the ego. And if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up. Just like Rex Ryan.

 

[lod01]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Why is he on the hot seat if he's so great? I think his act wore thin on people in the San Francisco organization. It isn't his football mind that is his problem obviously, it's the ego. And if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up. Just like Rex Ryan.

Blowhard that singlehandedly turned Frank Gore from a multi purpose, 3 down back to a one dimensional runner. 9 catches on the season this year. That is so blatantly bad, imagine how much other stuff he's messing up. Look at Leveon Bell and DeMarco Murray dual threats tearing up the league. That was Frank before Harbug came along.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up.

so he's the NFL's version of you?

 

[drummer]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up.

so he's the NFL's version of you?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

How many championships did he win at Stanford? None. How many at San Diego State? None. How many with the Colts? None. How many with the Bears? None. How many at Michigan? None.

He never coached at San Diego State and I'm not sure what his playing career has to do with his coaching ability.

My point was that he's never won anything. I didn't do a fact check. He's a bright offensive mind who is too full of himself to realize his potential. He's like a player who has every physical tool, big, strong, fast, got a 4.0 in college, has a HOF running back behind him and a couple of physical marvels to throw to, no off the field issues, and yet still stinks.

Seems silly to opine on his coaching acumen when you don't even know his history, no?

I also note that Harbaugh has never won a championship with Samford, UC-San Diego, San Dimas High, the Winninpeg Blue Bombers,Tottenham Hotspur, or the Utah Jazz. I haven't fact-checked this, but there are likely thousands of teams with which Jim Harbaugh has never won a championship. Loser. The NFL head coach version of Gheorghe Muresan.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Well I was going to make fun of Sabertooth for having lod01 on his side, but now drummer's liked my post, so I'm all sixes and sevens.

 

[drummer]

Well I was going to make fun of Sabertooth for having lod01 on his side, but now drummer's liked my post, so I'm all sixes and sevens.

Wear it well

 

[tdmills]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Why is he on the hot seat if he's so great? I think his act wore thin on people in the San Francisco organization. It isn't his football mind that is his problem obviously, it's the ego. And if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up. Just like Rex Ryan.

Blowhard that singlehandedly turned Frank Gore from a multi purpose, 3 down back to a one dimensional runner. 9 catches on the season this year. That is so blatantly bad, imagine how much other stuff he's messing up. Look at Leveon Bell and DeMarco Murray dual threats tearing up the league. That was Frank before Harbug came along.

So now we're comparing 23/26 year old RBs in their prime to 31 year old RBs?

 

[Sabertooth]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up.

so he's the NFL's version of you?

 

[lod01]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Why is he on the hot seat if he's so great? I think his act wore thin on people in the San Francisco organization. It isn't his football mind that is his problem obviously, it's the ego. And if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up. Just like Rex Ryan.

Blowhard that singlehandedly turned Frank Gore from a multi purpose, 3 down back to a one dimensional runner. 9 catches on the season this year. That is so blatantly bad, imagine how much other stuff he's messing up. Look at Leveon Bell and DeMarco Murray dual threats tearing up the league. That was Frank before Harbug came along.

So now we're comparing 23/26 year old RBs in their prime to 31 year old RBs?

FAIL. Check the age at which Harbug started phasing out Gore. He was in his prime at age 27.

 

[squistion]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Why is he on the hot seat if he's so great? I think his act wore thin on people in the San Francisco organization. It isn't his football mind that is his problem obviously, it's the ego. And if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up. Just like Rex Ryan.

Blowhard that singlehandedly turned Frank Gore from a multi purpose, 3 down back to a one dimensional runner. 9 catches on the season this year. That is so blatantly bad, imagine how much other stuff he's messing up. Look at Leveon Bell and DeMarco Murray dual threats tearing up the league. That was Frank before Harbug came along.

So now we're comparing 23/26 year old RBs in their prime to 31 year old RBs?

FAIL. Check the age at which Harbug started phasing out Gore. He was in his prime at age 27.

You always can tell someone has keen analytical skills when they repeatedly refer to him as Harbug.

 

[tdmills]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Why is he on the hot seat if he's so great? I think his act wore thin on people in the San Francisco organization. It isn't his football mind that is his problem obviously, it's the ego. And if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up. Just like Rex Ryan.

Blowhard that singlehandedly turned Frank Gore from a multi purpose, 3 down back to a one dimensional runner. 9 catches on the season this year. That is so blatantly bad, imagine how much other stuff he's messing up. Look at Leveon Bell and DeMarco Murray dual threats tearing up the league. That was Frank before Harbug came along.

So now we're comparing 23/26 year old RBs in their prime to 31 year old RBs?

FAIL. Check the age at which Harbug started phasing out Gore. He was in his prime at age 27.

Oh my fault, when you said "this season" I took it as "this season."

Also, just because he doesn't dump passes to Gore doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. I'd look at win percentage. Since he's been a HC in the NFL, he's won 70.5% of his games. But continue to talk about Frank Gore not catching the football or ego or whatever guys

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Why is he on the hot seat if he's so great? I think his act wore thin on people in the San Francisco organization. It isn't his football mind that is his problem obviously, it's the ego. And if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up. Just like Rex Ryan.

Really? You need to ask? It is simply a personality clash between himself and the front office. It is a story as old as the league itself. (Remember Parcells quote about wanting to but the groceries?)

Every team that hired Harbaugh has had an dramatically improved record the next year. Every one.

If your criteria is a championship then Barry Switerzer is one of the great NFL coaches.

As for Gore, Hatbaugh's job is to win games, not create fantasy stars.

 

[tdmills]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Why is he on the hot seat if he's so great? I think his act wore thin on people in the San Francisco organization. It isn't his football mind that is his problem obviously, it's the ego. And if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up. Just like Rex Ryan.

Really? You need to ask? It is simply a personality clash between himself and the front office. It is a story as old as the league itself. (Remember Parcells quote about wanting to but the groceries?)

Every team that hired Harbaugh has had an dramatically improved record the next year. Every one.

If your criteria is a championship then Barry Switerzer is one of the great NFL coaches.

As for Gore, Hatbaugh's job is to win games, not create fantasy stars.

Saber is a Packers fan....he probably has some bias because of what the 49ers have done to them in the playoffs.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Well at least that puts his posts in context. He just isn't making a lot of sense IMO.

 

[towney]

So my question is, is it Harbaugh's fault that Kaepernick flat out sucks? I see a lot of Romo and RG3 sucks posts but Kaepernick is far worse and an over paid bust IMO. Now don't get me wrong I'm not a Harbaugh fan but big blame needs to fall on QB too.

 

[drummer]

So my question is, is it Harbaugh's fault that Kaepernick flat out sucks? I see a lot of Romo and RG3 sucks posts but Kaepernick is far worse and an over paid bust IMO. Now don't get me wrong I'm not a Harbaugh fan but big blame needs to fall on QB too.

He went to the SB with Kaep starting only half a season. With Kaep, he's 24-12 in w/l, and 4/2 in the post season.

Is the media a big reason why posters are this ignorant here? TIA

 

[Raider Nation]

So my question is, is it Harbaugh's fault that Kaepernick flat out sucks? I see a lot of Romo and RG3 sucks posts but Kaepernick is far worse and an over paid bust IMO. Now don't get me wrong I'm not a Harbaugh fan but big blame needs to fall on QB too.

He went to the SB with Kaep starting only half a season. With Kaep, he's 24-12 in w/l, and 4/2 in the post season.

Is the media a big reason why posters are this ignorant here? TIA

Kaepernick is not playing nearly as well as he did before. It's not that difficult.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I never thought Kap was that good, despite his success. A lot of it was based on read option and quick passing reads. I believe the 9ers have suffered some significant injuries across the OLine, and defenses are better coached at stopping the read option which forced the 9ers to alter their approach to a more traditional offense. This has exposed Kap's short comings. His mechanics have also deteriorated during this transition.

 

[drummer]

So my question is, is it Harbaugh's fault that Kaepernick flat out sucks? I see a lot of Romo and RG3 sucks posts but Kaepernick is far worse and an over paid bust IMO. Now don't get me wrong I'm not a Harbaugh fan but big blame needs to fall on QB too.

He went to the SB with Kaep starting only half a season. With Kaep, he's 24-12 in w/l, and 4/2 in the post season.

Is the media a big reason why posters are this ignorant here? TIA

Kaepernick is not playing nearly as well as he did before. It's not that difficult.

4-2 in the post season is a lot better than most of the QB's out there. Basic math is not that difficult either.

Sheesh.

 

[Raider Nation]

So my question is, is it Harbaugh's fault that Kaepernick flat out sucks? I see a lot of Romo and RG3 sucks posts but Kaepernick is far worse and an over paid bust IMO. Now don't get me wrong I'm not a Harbaugh fan but big blame needs to fall on QB too.

He went to the SB with Kaep starting only half a season. With Kaep, he's 24-12 in w/l, and 4/2 in the post season.

Is the media a big reason why posters are this ignorant here? TIA

Kaepernick is not playing nearly as well as he did before. It's not that difficult.

4-2 in the post season is a lot better than most of the QB's out there. Basic math is not that difficult either.

Sheesh.

People aren't criticizing him for being 4-2 in the postseason. They are criticizing him for being terrible RIGHT NOW. Surely you understand this.

 

[drummer]

So my question is, is it Harbaugh's fault that Kaepernick flat out sucks? I see a lot of Romo and RG3 sucks posts but Kaepernick is far worse and an over paid bust IMO. Now don't get me wrong I'm not a Harbaugh fan but big blame needs to fall on QB too.

He went to the SB with Kaep starting only half a season. With Kaep, he's 24-12 in w/l, and 4/2 in the post season.

Is the media a big reason why posters are this ignorant here? TIA

Kaepernick is not playing nearly as well as he did before. It's not that difficult.

4-2 in the post season is a lot better than most of the QB's out there. Basic math is not that difficult either.

Sheesh.

People aren't criticizing him for being 4-2 in the postseason. They are criticizing him for being terrible RIGHT NOW. Surely you understand this.

Yeah, because RIGHT NOW means you don't have to recognize 4-2 in the post season.

Biting ankles isn't your style bro. You obviously aren't very good at it. Just sayin'.

 

[Raider Nation]

Sorry I upset you. 4-2 in the postseason has zero to do with him being one of the worst QBs in the league right now.

(Now remind me that he's 4-2 in the postseason.)

 

[drummer]

Sorry I upset you. 4-2 in the postseason has zero to do with him being one of the worst QBs in the league right now.

(Now remind me that he's 4-2 in the postseason.)

I can explain at lot more to you, but that would mean adding another 5000 posts of yours not getting the point to your over 80,000 here already.

Some would call that an addiction, but don't take it personally.

 

[Raider Nation]

Yeah, I'm the one taking it personally.

Surely you can insult me again in some fashion.

 

[mr roboto]

NO ONE GET'S IT!!! /lildrummerboy

(It = my opinion that is meaningless to the current discussion)

 

[drummer]

Yeah, I'm the one taking it personally.

Surely you can insult me again in some fashion.

It's all in the stats baby, all in the stats.

 

[Raider Nation]

NO ONE GET'S IT!!! /lildrummerboy

(It = my opinion that is meaningless to the current discussion)

4-2 in the postseason.

 

[mr roboto]

NO ONE GET'S IT!!! /lildrummerboy

(It = my opinion that is meaningless to the current discussion)

4-2 in the postseason.

Oh I didn't realize that. Never mind. He's playing great this year. You're right.

 

[drummer]

NO ONE GET'S IT!!! /lildrummerboy

(It = my opinion that is meaningless to the current discussion)

Never heard that one before. How'd you come up with that?

 

[drummer]

I see a whole lot of chest puffing here.

SERIOUS BUSINESS.

It's all about the page clicks baby, all about the page clicks.

 

[drummer]

NO ONE GET'S IT!!! /lildrummerboy

(It = my opinion that is meaningless to the current discussion)

postseason.

Weird concept, isn't it?

 

[mr roboto]

NO ONE GET'S IT!!! /lildrummerboy

(It = my opinion that is meaningless to the current discussion)

Never heard that one before. How'd you come up with that?

lod01 told me you liked being called that

 

[drummer]

NO ONE GET'S IT!!! /lildrummerboy

(It = my opinion that is meaningless to the current discussion)

Never heard that one before. How'd you come up with that?

lod01 told me you liked being called that

Before or after you tucked him into bed?

 

[drummer]

Just to set a record straight here:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=705830&page=3#entry16816434

2. Colin Kaepernick - funny thing is, he still may not be the Franchise QBOTF. Even though he has huge upside and physical talent. The 49er passing offense has improved however slightly with Kaep under center over his predecessor in Alex Smith. His legs are enough to keep him under center (unless Blaine Gabbert stops being a turtle and like, starts to look like a serviceable QB), but his decision making and overall QB play need to take the next step towards improving the passing offense more dramatically, enough to warrant a big time contract, which the 49ers might be hesitant to grant him. They shouldn't at this point. Sure he again has a huge upside, but he hasn't proven it as an overall field general. This season is his chance to put more of it together. I don't feel he may turn out to one of the Elite as far as a passer (when he can still at times look like Geno Smith), but I love a big time arm, and Kaep has one. I believe in Kaep, so I'm sold on this pick.

The more you guys think you know, the more you don't know, and never will.

 

[drummer]

I'm so far ahead of you guys, that all I can do is sit back and laugh.

 

[Sabertooth]

Good grief. So that I understand correctly the argument is if a coach has not won a championship he cannot be considered a good coach, correct? Seems like a fairly narrow definition and it would follow that there are a lot of bad coaches in the NFL and college.

For me, the bottom line is every team coached by Harabaugh has become relevant in the discussion of the championship. He won two league championships while coaching at the university of San Diego. While at Stanford they appeared in 3 straight BCS games, and a fourth under Shaw--the only FCS team to accomplish that feat. At Stanford! And we all know how he turned around the 9ers fortunes. Sounds like a pretty good coach to me, and I hope he ends up with the Raiders.

What's the beef?

Why is he on the hot seat if he's so great? I think his act wore thin on people in the San Francisco organization. It isn't his football mind that is his problem obviously, it's the ego. And if you are going to talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. Simple fact is he's a blowhard who can't back it up. Just like Rex Ryan.

Really? You need to ask? It is simply a personality clash between himself and the front office. It is a story as old as the league itself. (Remember Parcells quote about wanting to but the groceries?)

Every team that hired Harbaugh has had an dramatically improved record the next year. Every one.

If your criteria is a championship then Barry Switerzer is one of the great NFL coaches.

As for Gore, Hatbaugh's job is to win games, not create fantasy stars.

They didn't have a personality conflict when he was winning 12 games a season.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

The fact that there were rumors in preseason about a rift suggests there was a conflict despite the record. Seriously dude, your posts don't stand up to scrunity.

 

[drummer]

The fact that there were rumors in preseason about a rift suggests there was a conflict despite the record. Seriously dude, your posts don't stand up to scrunity.

He's a cheesepants.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

So Drummer where exactly do you stand on Kap and Harbaugh. Do you think Kap still has potential for elite status? Do you want to see Harbaugh go?

 

[drummer]

So Drummer where exactly do you stand on Kap and Harbaugh. Do you think Kap still has potential for elite status? Do you want to see Harbaugh go?

Did you read my post on Baalke's 2011 draft? I pretty much explained it there. The 49ers are mess due to once again, bad FO decisions. Kaep is the fastest offensive player on the team. I posted how I love a huge arm, yet I hated when Carmen Policy drafted Jim Druckenmiller over Jake Plummer to spite Bill Walsh, who although wasn't with the franchise at that point, preferred Plummer.

I don't want to repeat what I post in the 49er thread here. Just go read my posts there, and we can discuss it more in that thread.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

You know who else was 4-2 in the postseason?

Hitler.

(But seriously, Mark Sanchez.)

 

[drummer]

You know who else was 4-2 in the postseason?

Hitler.

(But seriously, Mark Sanchez.)

Yet Chip Kelley has him as starter for the Iggles, who could very well be in the post season.

Meanwhile, NYJ is 2-11...

 

[drummer]

I'm starting to think those who play FF are seriously myopic.

 

[CalBear]

I'm starting to think those who play FF are seriously myopic.

I'm starting to think there's a contest between Niner fans and Raider fans as to who can be more pathetic.

And everyone else is losing.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm starting to think those who play FF are seriously myopic.

I'm starting to think there's a contest between Niner fans and Raider fans as to who can be more pathetic.

And everyone else is losing.

We can only dream of being as miserable as you.

 

[drummer]

I'm starting to think those who play FF are seriously myopic.

I'm starting to think there's a contest between Niner fans and Raider fans as to who can be more pathetic.

And everyone else is losing.

Meanwhile, the city of Berkeley burns from Cal students protesting.

 

[drummer]

California Golden Bears

5-7, 4th in North Division

How are they gonna do in the Chico's Bail Bonds Bowl?