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Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Successful challenges?
tim_whatley
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jabarony
Footballguy
We did for years, then dropped it because it added another 15 minutes to an already long draft. I really liked it. Just another bit of strategy. It was 3 points for a win where our league avg score was ~60. NE, GB, IND coaches always started to go about the same time as the first K's n D's.
butcher boy
Footballguy
Seems like an unneeded filler position that has no real strategy associated with it kind of like kickers, defenses, and IDPs.
ddarroch4
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JoeSteeler
Footballguy
I am in a league that uses HC. You get .5 pts for a win and -.5 for a loss. Winning scores are usually 30 - 35 so it doesn't have that much of an impact.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The real question is if Ditka went before Mini-Ditka.
FUBAR
Footballguy
One of my leagues uses it, a win gets 5 points, 1 pt per 5 point score differential.
Usually a top coach (Belichick this year) scores about 6 pts per week, while the "worst presumed starter" should yield 3 on average - but owners tend to play matchups if they don't have a top guy.
A decent RB or WR will get you 15-20 points, so coaches aren't worth a whole lot.
I don't mind it, as it gives you an interest in a team's winning and it isn't big enough to change too many outcomes.
Usually a top coach (Belichick this year) scores about 6 pts per week, while the "worst presumed starter" should yield 3 on average - but owners tend to play matchups if they don't have a top guy.
A decent RB or WR will get you 15-20 points, so coaches aren't worth a whole lot.
I don't mind it, as it gives you an interest in a team's winning and it isn't big enough to change too many outcomes.
SSOG
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I joined a league that has them. Scoring is based on margin of victory, and can be anywhere from +10 to -10 points. As has been pointed out, it essentially just amounts to a second kicker, so I'm not a fan. Even though it's definitely benefitted me over the year- I just check the early odds and grab whatever coach is giving the most, which has led me to lead the league in coach points. Still, the differences are so small that I'd rather not have to waste the 5 minutes and the roster spot.
spodog
Footballguy
so for most of you guys that use this, it seems your league's have the points for HC set so that it is a non factor. Why do it at all if it is just a second K?
I would think if the points were set at a high enough level, then this position could really become an integral part of your draft strategy, and definitely would make the inclusion of a coach in a trade offer compelling as matchups from week to week change and an underdog coach in one week becomes the favorite the next week.
I would think if the points were set at a high enough level, then this position could really become an integral part of your draft strategy, and definitely would make the inclusion of a coach in a trade offer compelling as matchups from week to week change and an underdog coach in one week becomes the favorite the next week.
FUBAR
Footballguy
I don't see the analogy other than the positions are less vital than others. Kickers can score 20 points in a given week, then -2 on an off week. We don't get that type of swing in a coach because the points are a lot less. Even the best kickers can't impact the offense as much as a coach does.
It would be interesting to see a league where coaches can score as well as a RB or WR, and simple enough to set up - just use the point differential in the game. Carroll could have scored 33 points last week. Such scoring would also have wide swings from week to week.
IMO, using the coach adds a little bit of interest to the game.
spodog
Footballguy
I agree. That was kind of my point. If you are going to use the HC position, it should be weighted in a way that an NFL team that pulls off something rare or extrordinary should accrue a significant benefit to the fantasy owner. Most of these examples were swings of -2 or +2 points, which is immaterial most of the time. Ideas:- Coach's team pulls major upset (big bonus)- Coach's team puts up 50+ points (bonus)- Coach's team beats the spread (bonus)- Coach's team wins in overtime (bonus)stuff like that. As you said, make the possible range from 0 to 30 or so, and then this is a relevant spot on your roster.
FUBAR
Footballguy
How would you objectively score the upset? Really difficult early in the season.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
point spread?
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Our league has used coaches for years. 10 pts for win, 5 for a,tie, 0 for a loss. I think everyone in the league likes it. As the commish, I've never heard a complaint or a rule to do away with them. Average weekly points is around 75-80, so having a good coach can be significant.
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