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Heath Miller has out played his draft position thus far, but I have a feeling this will now change. Not necessarily because of Byron's throwing ability, but because of his lack of mobility. My theory is that Heath will be kept in to block more, where before, with Ben's scrambling ability and generally being tough to bring down, Heath was cut loose in the passing game.

Thoughts?

 
agree. will be kept into block more and PIT's scoring opportunities will be decreased now that Ben is out. I have him as graham's backup and plan on dropping him over the weekend for RB depth or a backup QB in a 12 team league.

 
Ben did make mention that he purposely wanted to make Heath Miller an All-Pro TE, and he seemed to be on a mission to make true to his word. Leftwich has such a slow windup, it's hard to have much faith in him putting the ball into tight windows that Heath was getting from Ben. I'm benching him until Ben gets back and I don't trust the Pittsburgh passing game at all right now.

 
All Steeler targets will take a hit but I think this is spot on about Miller in particular. Sucks for Miller owners here. Also I think Pittsburgh will go run heavy to save the amount of pounding that Leftwich will take.

 
Heath Miller has out played his draft position thus far, but I have a feeling this will now change. Not necessarily because of Byron's throwing ability, but because of his lack of mobility. My theory is that Heath will be kept in to block more, where before, with Ben's scrambling ability and generally being tough to bring down, Heath was cut loose in the passing game.

Thoughts?
This is my take as well. Even if Leftwich proves a decently productive passer while Ben is out, I doubt Miller will be running as many patterns so chances for production should decrease. Also, I expect Pitt to try to push the run game to shorten games and limit the reliance on Leftwich which would also decrease the opportunities for Miller to produce. I am trying to move Miller this week, but not at complete firesale prices yet since Roethlisberger could be back for the fantasy play offs. But if I can get anything close to his perceived value from last week I'll ship him quickly.

 
A good indicator of how this affects Miller is the way he was used as a blocker once Ben went out. He caught 4 quick early targets from Ben and once Ben went down wasn't seen again. That was his day's totals.

 
A good indicator of how this affects Miller is the way he was used as a blocker once Ben went out. He caught 4 quick early targets from Ben and once Ben went down wasn't seen again. That was his day's totals.
Disagree with this. Just because they used him more for blocking when Ben went down doesn't mean he will be used that way every game after. The plan changed mid-game, they were in a little bit of emergency mode, it was raining, thats how the flow of the game went last week. New week, enough time to prepare, things could definitely change this week.IMO in the end while Ben is out, no doubt Miller will take a hit in stats, not because of a lack of targets (although that will happen somewhat), but because I don't see him with the same number of red zone targets. I see this guy going 5/40-60 every week with an occasional touchdown. One thing that Miller has going for him however is good hands, and he can play the possession role that Brown normally plays. Leftwich will probably struggle with the long ball as usual. Still its a downgrade..
 
I was under the impression that Todd Haley as OC was helping Miller have such a great year. His numbers will take a hit but not sure he'll be changing the game plan too drastically.

 
I don't really see any way the Steelers can look at their roster and the skillset of Byron and they don't conclude that they need to try and run, run, run and hope their defense steps up.

 
A good indicator of how this affects Miller is the way he was used as a blocker once Ben went out. He caught 4 quick early targets from Ben and once Ben went down wasn't seen again. That was his day's totals.
Keep in mind that Charlie Batch was inactive last week. Had Leftwich gone down the Steelers would have been forced to put either Miller or WR Emmanuel Sanders at QB so they were playing max-protect.Miller will be kept in to block more often with Leftwich over Ben but not as much as the 2nd half of Monday's game.
 
I hated to drop him, but hey - I don't have the roster space and I was living on a wing and a prayer owning one TE. Ended up with Greg Olsen (vs TB).

 
I'm not worried about him. The Steelers need to pass to Heath Miller in order to be successful. Last week there was no game plan follwing Ben's injury this week there will be a game plan and it will include Heath Miller targets.

 
Miller's targets are absolutely taking a hit. There's no real way around that since I expect the passing game, as a whole, will have its reps reduced.

Hopefully his is still looked to often in the RZ. Even with the trebuchet-armed Leftwich in there a big RZ target is a big RZ target.

As an aside, I sort of laughed when I saw Haley drop the "we tailor our offense to our players' strengths" quip, but then the only real strength about Leftwich he mentioned was his toughness. So....the Steelers are going to purposefully snap Lefty's shin so they can have the OL carry him down the field on game winning drives? Pimp. :)

 
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'Banger said:
he goes from probably top 5 TE to waiver wire fodder IMO.
I'm glad to see that. I'm tired of Heath vulturing TD's from the WR's on Pittsburgh.
ya but unfortunately they likely won't get them either....it's more likely that they won't be able to move the ball through the air and all will suffer IMO.
 
agree. will be kept into block more and PIT's scoring opportunities will be decreased now that Ben is out. I have him as graham's backup and plan on dropping him over the weekend for RB depth or a backup QB in a 12 team league.
I'm in the same spot and will probably drop him for a scratch ticket like Hillman or Hunter. Miller led the league in redzone targets through the first 8 or 9 weeks, but I just don't see him getting those opportunities anymore.
 
Miller's targets are absolutely taking a hit. There's no real way around that since I expect the passing game, as a whole, will have its reps reduced.Hopefully his is still looked to often in the RZ. Even with the trebuchet-armed Leftwich in there a big RZ target is a big RZ target.As an aside, I sort of laughed when I saw Haley drop the "we tailor our offense to our players' strengths" quip, but then the only real strength about Leftwich he mentioned was his toughness. So....the Steelers are going to purposefully snap Lefty's shin so they can have the OL carry him down the field on game winning drives? Pimp. :)
Leftwich has the strongest arm on the team. It may take him an hour to wind up but once he releases it he can throw it a mile so that is a strength. Not sure Lefty will get enough time for it to translate into completions but it is conceivable Wallace could get a couple long passes. Not a lot of help for Heath owners though...
 
I think people are making to much of this. Is Byron Ben? Nope. But he's not Gabbert or Cassel either. He'll be fine.

Look, if you have a better option bench your Pitt ballcatchers, if you don't roll 'em out there. Anyone benching (or freaking dropping) Miller or Wallace are nuts IMHO

 
I think people are making to much of this. Is Byron Ben? Nope. But he's not Gabbert or Cassel either. He'll be fine.Look, if you have a better option bench your Pitt ballcatchers, if you don't roll 'em out there. Anyone benching (or freaking dropping) Miller or Wallace are nuts IMHO
I wish I could bench Miller, but Bennett is on bye this week and Bennett has cooled down himself lately. I wish I had better options because I believe Miller's production will decline sharply.However, based on your avatar, I want to believe anything you say.
 
Big Ben made it a point to pass to Heath more, he even said he was going to make him a pro bowl this year. Without big ben his value is not even close to where it was.

 
Big Ben made it a point to pass to Heath more, he even said he was going to make him a pro bowl this year. Without big ben his value is not even close to where it was.
He did say that. When Leftwich came in the game, Miller saw no targets, while Sanders saw a distinct uptick. Claimed Sanders off of the WW before last week, so maybe they'll offset for me. But the Roeth/Miller connection concerns me now that there's another QB who will invariably have his own distinct style and progression reads.
 
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'Uncle Buck said:
Big Ben made it a point to pass to Heath more, he even said he was going to make him a pro bowl this year. Without big ben his value is not even close to where it was.
He did say that. When Leftwich came in the game, Miller saw no targets, while Sanders saw a distinct uptick. Claimed Sanders off of the WW before last week, so maybe they'll offset for me. But the Roeth/Miller connection concerns me now that there's another QB who will invariably have his own distinct style and progression reads.
Big difference in a backup being forced into action during a game and a game where the coaching staff has had a week to put in a game plan for that backup.
 
Well I have Hernandez and Miller,

Hernandez looks to be out an I see Miller taking a nosedive.

Just dropped Miller for Myers, if I hadn't of had HZ I'd of held.

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'Uncle Buck said:
Big Ben made it a point to pass to Heath more, he even said he was going to make him a pro bowl this year. Without big ben his value is not even close to where it was.
He did say that. When Leftwich came in the game, Miller saw no targets, while Sanders saw a distinct uptick. Claimed Sanders off of the WW before last week, so maybe they'll offset for me. But the Roeth/Miller connection concerns me now that there's another QB who will invariably have his own distinct style and progression reads.
Big difference in a backup being forced into action during a game and a game where the coaching staff has had a week to put in a game plan for that backup.
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'rockaction said:
'Uncle Buck said:
Big Ben made it a point to pass to Heath more, he even said he was going to make him a pro bowl this year. Without big ben his value is not even close to where it was.
He did say that. When Leftwich came in the game, Miller saw no targets, while Sanders saw a distinct uptick. Claimed Sanders off of the WW before last week, so maybe they'll offset for me. But the Roeth/Miller connection concerns me now that there's another QB who will invariably have his own distinct style and progression reads.
Big difference in a backup being forced into action during a game and a game where the coaching staff has had a week to put in a game plan for that backup.
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True. I have no idea what will happen with Miller. But him looking to Sanders when things broke down last week might bode well for Sanders when things break down even after a week of game planning.
 
Q1: Three starting QBs (Vick/Roethlisberger/Cutler) will be out of action this week. Which offensive player on either PHI, PIT or CHI will be negatively impacted the most? Is there a separate player that stands to benefit above all others?

Most Negatively Impacted



Heath Miller (TE – PIT): Miller is the most likely to get negatively impacted. He didn’t get a single pass thrown his way after Ben Roethlisberger went down in week 10. Byron Leftwich is a lot less elusive than Roethlisberger and it’s likely Miller will be staying in to block more often to help protect Leftwich. Fantasy owners have been very happy with Miller most of this season as he’s averaged nearly 9 points per game in standard scoring systems, but with Leftwich at QB, I’m expecting that to drop off, possibly dramatically. - Russ Bliss (Fantasy Football Starters)

Brandon MarshallMike Wallace (WR – PIT) & Brandon Marshall (WR – CHI): The two offensive players who will be hurt most by this are Mike Wallace and Brandon Marshall. It’s close, but I think the tie would have to go to the former because Jay Cutler won’t be out for very long. Ben Roethlisberger will miss six weeks or so. Leftwich has a long delivery, which will prompt Todd Haley to call more runs and screens. – Walter Cherepinsky (Walter Football)

Brandon Marshall (WR – CHI): Marshall will be the player negatively impacted the most this week because of QB injuries. The Chicago-San Francisco game was probably going to be fairly low-scoring even if Cutler was playing. Now that Cutler is out, it’s likely that Marshall will be even more focused by the 49ers’ secondary and not see nearly as many targets from Jason Campbell as he usually does from Cutler. Plus, the 49ers are fifth in the NFL in passing yards allowed per game. - Zach Greubel (Win My Fantasy League)

Brandon Marshall (WR – CHI): As the starter for the Redskins in 2008, Jason Campbell attempted throws of 20+ yards on just 6.9% of his drop backs, which was the lowest rate in the league. Jay Cutler attempted throws of 20+ yards on 14.1% of his drop backs this year, which is the fifth highest rate in the league. About 28.2% of Brandon Marshall’s targets this year have been over 15 yards, so the downgrade from Cutler to Campbell really limits Marshall’s upside and big play ability. – Brett Talley (The Fantasy Fix)

 
still not trusting him without Ben. I moved him today in a deal that got me Gonzalez. Let someone else sweat Ben's return

 
Heath Miller has out played his draft position thus far, but I have a feeling this will now change. Not necessarily because of Byron's throwing ability, but because of his lack of mobility. My theory is that Heath will be kept in to block more, where before, with Ben's scrambling ability and generally being tough to bring down, Heath was cut loose in the passing game. Thoughts?
Agree. Have benefited all year from his role on the team being larger as the only thing that Big Ben and Haley have agreed upon all season. Am considering dropping him into the free agent pool now, however, and using his roster spot on a look ahead DEF.
 
I think people are making to much of this. Is Byron Ben? Nope. But he's not Gabbert or Cassel either. He'll be fine.

Look, if you have a better option bench your Pitt ballcatchers, if you don't roll 'em out there. Anyone benching (or freaking dropping) Miller or Wallace are nuts IMHO
Depends on the cirumstances of your roster. This time of year, roster spots are more valuable, as there is so few weeks remaining to hold onto a guy who might have a better a situation a few weeks from now.
 
Losing Leftwich cant hurt

in the KC game, even when Miller went out in a pattern he was not even in the PROGRESSIONS much less LOOKED AT much less TARGETED much less HAD A RECEPTION

that is the quadruple whammy for me of knowing not to start him until things changed

with Batch who knows

 
Cut my losses already, and a little slow to make the decision as he is now a free agent in all my leagues. I may regret it later, but as Bloom said, it's time to cut the fat.

 

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