Heidi Klum Indian pics draw ire (1 Viewer)

[Jackstraw]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

She added, “Natives are not costumes one can take on and off. When people dress up in stereotypical ‘Indian’ garb, they’re not only denying the existence of 566 distinct Tribal Nations, they’re mocking an entire group of human beings based solely on their race and heritage.” Shea also said, “I don’t care how cute you look in a headdress. You aren’t Native. You have no right to wear a warbonnet because you have not earned it. You haven’t performed deeds of valor nor fought and given of yourself for a plains Tribal people. Every feather in a headdress signifies a specific act of bravery and self-sacrifice.”

What a joke.

Native American headdress is a very important symbol. I can understand a Native American seeing this as a form of disrespect. In the same vein, I think there would be significant outrage from Christians if we had Heidi Klum scantily clad in a bikini wearing bunny ears and photographed being "nailed" on a Christian cross titled "Easter Bunny"

Not sure that's the same thing.

Can you imagine the crhistians? The butthurt would be immense. But of course its not the same thing because whitey.

 

[TheIronSheik]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

She added, “Natives are not costumes one can take on and off. When people dress up in stereotypical ‘Indian’ garb, they’re not only denying the existence of 566 distinct Tribal Nations, they’re mocking an entire group of human beings based solely on their race and heritage.” Shea also said, “I don’t care how cute you look in a headdress. You aren’t Native. You have no right to wear a warbonnet because you have not earned it. You haven’t performed deeds of valor nor fought and given of yourself for a plains Tribal people. Every feather in a headdress signifies a specific act of bravery and self-sacrifice.”

What a joke.

To you perhaps. Not to the natives who see their rituals and honors cheapened again by a society that went all genocide on them.

That's what the Indians get for letting the Germans go all genocide on them.

Maybe Heidi could do a shoot where she dresses up as a sexy Dachua inmate.

Come on, GB. You and I both know that's not even close to the same thing.

 

[NCCommish]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

She added, “Natives are not costumes one can take on and off. When people dress up in stereotypical ‘Indian’ garb, they’re not only denying the existence of 566 distinct Tribal Nations, they’re mocking an entire group of human beings based solely on their race and heritage.” Shea also said, “I don’t care how cute you look in a headdress. You aren’t Native. You have no right to wear a warbonnet because you have not earned it. You haven’t performed deeds of valor nor fought and given of yourself for a plains Tribal people. Every feather in a headdress signifies a specific act of bravery and self-sacrifice.”

What a joke.

To you perhaps. Not to the natives who see their rituals and honors cheapened again by a society that went all genocide on them.

That's what the Indians get for letting the Germans go all genocide on them.

Maybe Heidi could do a shoot where she dresses up as a sexy Dachua inmate.

Come on, GB. You and I both know that's not even close to the same thing.

The memories of the women and children that didn't survive the Trail of Tears beg to differ. Just to point out one small example of how close those are.

 

[TheIronSheik]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

She added, “Natives are not costumes one can take on and off. When people dress up in stereotypical ‘Indian’ garb, they’re not only denying the existence of 566 distinct Tribal Nations, they’re mocking an entire group of human beings based solely on their race and heritage.” Shea also said, “I don’t care how cute you look in a headdress. You aren’t Native. You have no right to wear a warbonnet because you have not earned it. You haven’t performed deeds of valor nor fought and given of yourself for a plains Tribal people. Every feather in a headdress signifies a specific act of bravery and self-sacrifice.”

What a joke.

To you perhaps. Not to the natives who see their rituals and honors cheapened again by a society that went all genocide on them.

That's what the Indians get for letting the Germans go all genocide on them.

Maybe Heidi could do a shoot where she dresses up as a sexy Dachua inmate.

Come on, GB. You and I both know that's not even close to the same thing.

The memories of the women and children that didn't survive the Trail of Tears beg to differ. Just to point out one small example of how close those are.

What does that have to do with dressing up like an Indian? Many military men and women have died, too. Those costumes aren't offensive.

 

[NCCommish]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

She added, “Natives are not costumes one can take on and off. When people dress up in stereotypical ‘Indian’ garb, they’re not only denying the existence of 566 distinct Tribal Nations, they’re mocking an entire group of human beings based solely on their race and heritage.” Shea also said, “I don’t care how cute you look in a headdress. You aren’t Native. You have no right to wear a warbonnet because you have not earned it. You haven’t performed deeds of valor nor fought and given of yourself for a plains Tribal people. Every feather in a headdress signifies a specific act of bravery and self-sacrifice.”

What a joke.

To you perhaps. Not to the natives who see their rituals and honors cheapened again by a society that went all genocide on them.

That's what the Indians get for letting the Germans go all genocide on them.

Maybe Heidi could do a shoot where she dresses up as a sexy Dachua inmate.

Come on, GB. You and I both know that's not even close to the same thing.

The memories of the women and children that didn't survive the Trail of Tears beg to differ. Just to point out one small example of how close those are.

What does that have to do with dressing up like an Indian? Many military men and women have died, too. Those costumes aren't offensive.

You said there were no similarities between what was done to American Indians and European Jews. I merely pointed out there was. Now those headdresses are sacred. Earning each of those feathers had a special meaning to the tribes they represented. They weren't worn for funsies or to sell a half assed reality show. What she is doing in that shoot is an insult., One for which she herself has already apologized.

And we have issues when people pretend to have medals they didn't earn. We even have laws against it. Those headdresses aren't that much different from those military medals we rightly protect.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

She added, Natives are not costumes one can take on and off. When people dress up in stereotypical Indian garb, theyre not only denying the existence of 566 distinct Tribal Nations, theyre mocking an entire group of human beings based solely on their race and heritage. Shea also said, I dont care how cute you look in a headdress. You arent Native. You have no right to wear a warbonnet because you have not earned it. You havent performed deeds of valor nor fought and given of yourself for a plains Tribal people. Every feather in a headdress signifies a specific act of bravery and self-sacrifice.

What a joke.

To you perhaps. Not to the natives who see their rituals and honors cheapened again by a society that went all genocide on them.

That's what the Indians get for letting the Germans go all genocide on them.

Maybe Heidi could do a shoot where she dresses up as a sexy Dachua inmate.

Come on, GB. You and I both know that's not even close to the same thing.

The memories of the women and children that didn't survive the Trail of Tears beg to differ. Just to point out one small example of how close those are.

What does that have to do with dressing up like an Indian? Many military men and women have died, too. Those costumes aren't offensive.

You said there were no similarities between what was done to American Indians and European Jews. I merely pointed out there was. Now those headdresses are sacred. Earning each of those feathers had a special meaning to the tribes they represented. They weren't worn for funsies or to sell a half assed reality show. What she is doing in that shoot is an insult., One for which she herself has already apologized.

And we have issues when people pretend to have medals they didn't earn. We even have laws against it. Those headdresses aren't that much different from those military medals we rightly protect.

Well, now you've just ruined it.

:zipsup:

 

[Tom Servo]

Can we go back to discussing the hotness of Heidi Klum? This debate is bumming me out.

 

[NCCommish]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

She added, Natives are not costumes one can take on and off. When people dress up in stereotypical Indian garb, theyre not only denying the existence of 566 distinct Tribal Nations, theyre mocking an entire group of human beings based solely on their race and heritage. Shea also said, I dont care how cute you look in a headdress. You arent Native. You have no right to wear a warbonnet because you have not earned it. You havent performed deeds of valor nor fought and given of yourself for a plains Tribal people. Every feather in a headdress signifies a specific act of bravery and self-sacrifice.

What a joke.

To you perhaps. Not to the natives who see their rituals and honors cheapened again by a society that went all genocide on them.

That's what the Indians get for letting the Germans go all genocide on them.

Maybe Heidi could do a shoot where she dresses up as a sexy Dachua inmate.

Come on, GB. You and I both know that's not even close to the same thing.

The memories of the women and children that didn't survive the Trail of Tears beg to differ. Just to point out one small example of how close those are.

What does that have to do with dressing up like an Indian? Many military men and women have died, too. Those costumes aren't offensive.

You said there were no similarities between what was done to American Indians and European Jews. I merely pointed out there was. Now those headdresses are sacred. Earning each of those feathers had a special meaning to the tribes they represented. They weren't worn for funsies or to sell a half assed reality show. What she is doing in that shoot is an insult., One for which she herself has already apologized.

And we have issues when people pretend to have medals they didn't earn. We even have laws against it. Those headdresses aren't that much different from those military medals we rightly protect.

Well, now you've just ruined it.

:zipsup:

I should say I am huge fan of Klum.

 

[T Bell]

I gather that the native tribes never engaged in warfare against each other. Wow, what an idyllic place this was!

 

[Tom Servo]

I gather that the native tribes never engaged in warfare against each other. Wow, what an idyllic place this was!

Yeah, those were the days. Darn pale faces came along and ruined it!!

 

[TheIronSheik]

I gather that the native tribes never engaged in warfare against each other. Wow, what an idyllic place this was!

Not only that, but they wore headdresses which were clearly offensive to the other tribes.

 

[kentric]

There's going to be a turning point with this soon. It's getting out of control how offensive everything is.

You wouldn't be saying this if you were a minority. I happen to be 1/128th Cherokee and take offense to your cultural insensitivity.

My headset has 64 imitation eagle feathers and each one is the result of me performing deeds of valor (i.e., helping an old lady cross the street (x6), getting a paper cut and not crying (x5), etc.).

 

[Caesar]

When are you white men going to learn that everything you do and say is offensive and you should probably just jump in the ocean?

 

[Tom Servo]

There's going to be a turning point with this soon. It's getting out of control how offensive everything is.

You wouldn't be saying this if you were a minority. I happen to be 1/128th Cherokee and take offense to your cultural insensitivity.

My headset has 64 imitation eagle feathers and each one is the result of me performing deeds of valor (i.e., helping an old lady cross the street (x6), getting a paper cut and not crying (x5), etc.).

0.78% Indian?

 

[kentric]

There's going to be a turning point with this soon. It's getting out of control how offensive everything is.

You wouldn't be saying this if you were a minority. I happen to be 1/128th Cherokee and take offense to your cultural insensitivity.

My headset has 64 imitation eagle feathers and each one is the result of me performing deeds of valor (i.e., helping an old lady cross the street (x6), getting a paper cut and not crying (x5), etc.).

0.78% Indian?

Yeah. On my mother's side.

It was tied to a blood donor issue. Long story...

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Oh man... This is the Friday thread???

 

[kentric]

Oh man... This is the Friday thread???

I forgot to add that I had sex with Heidi Klum last week. Happened while she was in NY on a shoot. We did it in Central Park. Had her up against a tree and she said I was the best (and biggest) she ever had.

I found out afterwards that the thing that first attracted her to me was my Indian blood.

 

[NCCommish]

Oh man... This is the Friday thread???

Don't worry I'm out.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Oh man... This is the Friday thread???

Don't worry I'm out.

That wasn't intended directly for you, friend. I was just teasing TIS.

 

[TheIronSheik]

When are you white men going to learn that everything you do and say is offensive and you should probably just jump in the ocean?

Wait. Heidi Klum is a man?!?

 

[NCCommish]

Oh man... This is the Friday thread???

Don't worry I'm out.

That wasn't intended directly for you, friend. I was just teasing TIS.

No problem. I love me some TIS and TBell but I don't have much of a sense of humor on this subject and no one would have liked where I was going to take it. Better to move on.

 

[T Bell]

 

[Emerson Biggens]

Seinfeld's take

http://youtu.be/cpGfyp6MxkM

 

[Jackstraw]

When are you white men going to learn that everything you do and say is offensive and you should probably just jump in the ocean?

http://newsok.com/photo-the-most-awkward-photo-ever-at-a-cleveland-indians-game/article/3950372

Yeah. Just get over it already. What's the big deal?

 

[Parrothead]

Indians use feathers from birds????? for a hat??? PETA's gonna hear about this one..

won't anyone think of the birds??

 

[Rove!]

That Heidi Klum is one oddly attractive woman...

 

[shadyridr]

Id like her to Suck My Jawea

 

[belljr]

Pope hat ftw

 

[MaxThreshold]

here in german milwaukee we have a saying and that saying is that no one in the world gets to say anything bad about heidi klum because she is the bees knees take that to the bank brohans but just so it is said i think the washington teams name is crap and a slur and should be changed so hey a little something for everyone from the old swcer today

Dude...I'm from Milwaukee and I've NEVER heard that...ever. Now you're just making #### up.

 

[Chaka]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

She added, “Natives are not costumes one can take on and off. When people dress up in stereotypical ‘Indian’ garb, they’re not only denying the existence of 566 distinct Tribal Nations, they’re mocking an entire group of human beings based solely on their race and heritage.” Shea also said, “I don’t care how cute you look in a headdress. You aren’t Native. You have no right to wear a warbonnet because you have not earned it. You haven’t performed deeds of valor nor fought and given of yourself for a plains Tribal people. Every feather in a headdress signifies a specific act of bravery and self-sacrifice.”

What a joke.

Native American headdress is a very important symbol. I can understand a Native American seeing this as a form of disrespect. In the same vein, I think there would be significant outrage from Christians if we had Heidi Klum scantily clad in a bikini wearing bunny ears and photographed being "nailed" on a Christian cross titled "Easter Bunny"

Not sure that's the same thing.

You find me a sexy Jesus costume for the ladies and I will be the first one to stand up and applaud Heidi for wearing it.

 

[DiStefano]

here in german milwaukee we have a saying and that saying is that no one in the world gets to say anything bad about heidi klum because she is the bees knees take that to the bank brohans but just so it is said i think the washington teams name is crap and a slur and should be changed so hey a little something for everyone from the old swcer today

Dude...I'm from Milwaukee and I've NEVER heard that...ever. Now you're just making #### up.

What do you mean now?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

giggity

 

[Otis]

"Needs maize"

 

[flapgreen]

I'm all upset about this.

 

[flapgreen]

here in german milwaukee we have a saying and that saying is that no one in the world gets to say anything bad about heidi klum because she is the bees knees take that to the bank brohans but just so it is said i think the washington teams name is crap and a slur and should be changed so hey a little something for everyone from the old swcer today

Dude...I'm from Milwaukee and I've NEVER heard that...ever. Now you're just making #### up.

 

[Dr Oadi]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

No

What a joke.

Deal with it whitey. Your time is coming to an end!

 

[McGarnicle]

Man, I would love to drive her from her home into the western territories and let her sell tax-free cigarettes.

Sorry, all the sexy double entendres were taken. :(

 

[flapgreen]

I'd dance with her wolf.

 

[T Bell]

Man, I would love to drive her from her home into the western territories and let her sell tax-free cigarettes.

Sorry, all the sexy double entendres were taken. :(

No, there's one more:

I'd like to knock me off a Chippewa of that.

There, we're done.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

In her career I bet she has worn togas, sarongs, saris, and versions of various flags. I suppose lots of folks could look for offense of one type or another, or could argue over increments of offense based upon perceived comparability or lack thereof. Me, I am only offended she never got with me.

Heidi- if you are reading along it is not too late to make things up with me. Oh, and if you can see your way clear please offend law enforcement officers when you do.

 

[El Floppo]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

She added, “Natives are not costumes one can take on and off. When people dress up in stereotypical ‘Indian’ garb, they’re not only denying the existence of 566 distinct Tribal Nations, they’re mocking an entire group of human beings based solely on their race and heritage.” Shea also said, “I don’t care how cute you look in a headdress. You aren’t Native. You have no right to wear a warbonnet because you have not earned it. You haven’t performed deeds of valor nor fought and given of yourself for a plains Tribal people. Every feather in a headdress signifies a specific act of bravery and self-sacrifice.”

What a joke.

Native American headdress is a very important symbol. I can understand a Native American seeing this as a form of disrespect. In the same vein, I think there would be significant outrage from Christians if we had Heidi Klum scantily clad in a bikini wearing bunny ears and photographed being "nailed" on a Christian cross titled "Easter Bunny"

So you're saying that a commonly awarded decoration indicating military and social stature with tribal cultures is the same thing as an image depicting the crucifixion of a messianic figure?

This is more akin to Heidi Klum getting dressed up in a general's uniform and sporting a Medal of Honor, and while a few would piss and moan about it, just as many people wouldn't give a #### as they do about her "Indian" costume.

For Native Americans the headdress has more meaning than than a generals star. So what I'm saying people get upset when their cultural/religious symbols are desecrated. It's called a cultural universal.

And I can understand why some Native Americans would think they are being disrespected.

"I can understand why someone might feel that way" isn't the same as "someone is right to feel that way." Klum is not attempting to pass herself off as an authentic Indian warrior. She's dressing up in the equivalent of a Halloween costume. This isn't the intellectual property of Indian tribes individually or collectively -- it's part of our shared cultural heritage as North Americans.

The analogy to somebody dressing up in a military uniform is exactly right. If somebody had a problem with that, we'd have no problem telling them to #### off even if we never served in the military ourselves.

I personally am not offended. I just can understand why some Native Americans would be. Cultural perspective is not one sided. For example: it should be easy to understand why Jews might have a different perspective on their shared cultural heritage with Germans.

It's a big world. I'd like to think people would be more understanding towards others and their perspective - I also know it is far easier to just minimize and make fun of them instead.

It's easy to understand, but that doesn't make it right. Jews and Germans (and everybody else) ought to be able to agree that the Holocaust was a bad thing, for example. If a German said that the Holocaust was no big deal because "German heritage something-something," he'd be wrong.

Similarly, everybody ought to be able to agree that dressing up in "traditional" Indian garb is fine. Presumably modern-day Indians occasionally wear European-style clothing without anybody taking offense.

As a general principle, when somebody says "Hey, I take offense at you dressing up like my ancestors," a good response is "So what? They're my ancestors too. Kindly pound sand."

Seems to me your point is that nobody has a right to be offended by anything.... amirite?

I always like the indignation people have about other people's emotions.

 

[Parrothead]

I'd send her on a trail of semen

 

[McGarnicle]

I'd send her on a trail of semen

 

[Tom Servo]

I'd send her on a trail of semen

 

[AAABatteries]

I'd send her on a trail of semen

 

[AAABatteries]

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This is ridiculous. Are we not allowed to dress up anymore?

She added, Natives are not costumes one can take on and off. When people dress up in stereotypical Indian garb, theyre not only denying the existence of 566 distinct Tribal Nations, theyre mocking an entire group of human beings based solely on their race and heritage. Shea also said, I dont care how cute you look in a headdress. You arent Native. You have no right to wear a warbonnet because you have not earned it. You havent performed deeds of valor nor fought and given of yourself for a plains Tribal people. Every feather in a headdress signifies a specific act of bravery and self-sacrifice.

What a joke.

Native American headdress is a very important symbol. I can understand a Native American seeing this as a form of disrespect. In the same vein, I think there would be significant outrage from Christians if we had Heidi Klum scantily clad in a bikini wearing bunny ears and photographed being "nailed" on a Christian cross titled "Easter Bunny"

So you're saying that a commonly awarded decoration indicating military and social stature with tribal cultures is the same thing as an image depicting the crucifixion of a messianic figure?

This is more akin to Heidi Klum getting dressed up in a general's uniform and sporting a Medal of Honor, and while a few would piss and moan about it, just as many people wouldn't give a #### as they do about her "Indian" costume.

For Native Americans the headdress has more meaning than than a generals star. So what I'm saying people get upset when their cultural/religious symbols are desecrated. It's called a cultural universal.And I can understand why some Native Americans would think they are being disrespected.

"I can understand why someone might feel that way" isn't the same as "someone is right to feel that way." Klum is not attempting to pass herself off as an authentic Indian warrior. She's dressing up in the equivalent of a Halloween costume. This isn't the intellectual property of Indian tribes individually or collectively -- it's part of our shared cultural heritage as North Americans.

The analogy to somebody dressing up in a military uniform is exactly right. If somebody had a problem with that, we'd have no problem telling them to #### off even if we never served in the military ourselves.

I personally am not offended. I just can understand why some Native Americans would be. Cultural perspective is not one sided. For example: it should be easy to understand why Jews might have a different perspective on their shared cultural heritage with Germans.It's a big world. I'd like to think people would be more understanding towards others and their perspective - I also know it is far easier to just minimize and make fun of them instead.

It's easy to understand, but that doesn't make it right. Jews and Germans (and everybody else) ought to be able to agree that the Holocaust was a bad thing, for example. If a German said that the Holocaust was no big deal because "German heritage something-something," he'd be wrong.

Similarly, everybody ought to be able to agree that dressing up in "traditional" Indian garb is fine. Presumably modern-day Indians occasionally wear European-style clothing without anybody taking offense.

As a general principle, when somebody says "Hey, I take offense at you dressing up like my ancestors," a good response is "So what? They're my ancestors too. Kindly pound sand."

Seems to me your point is that nobody has a right to be offended by anything.... amirite?

I always like the indignation people have about other people's emotions.

That's what you got from IK's post? Really?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Seems to me your point is that nobody has a right to be offended by anything.... amirite?

I always like the indignation people have about other people's emotions.

No, I think there are some things that are inherently offensive. For example, jokes about the holocaust are in bad taste. My point is that jokes that make light of the holocaust are offensive no matter who you are. You don't have to be Jewish to find that sort of thing offensive. If a Jewish person said that they were completely okay with holocaust jokes, that's nice, but it doesn't make those jokes any less offensive.

In other words, no particular group of people "owns" this sort of stuff. The traditional "Indian costume" is every much a part of shared American culture as the traditional "cowboy" costume. If a hot chick wants to dress up as a sexy Indian as a change of pace from dressing up as a sexy maid or sexy nurse or sexy police officer, that's fine. Anybody who says otherwise -- regardless of they self-define their cultural background -- has the right to feel however they want, but I don't think we should ascribe any particular weight to those feelings soley on the basis of that self-definition.

 

[Rockchild]

I'm fine with this as long as Native Americans don't wear European type clothing. If they do, they are mocking their conquerors, and they should be shamed into returning to their native roots. But if they wear European type clothing, they should shut up.[/quote

Or when they wear a cowboy hat?

 

[belljr]

I'd like to treat her hatchet wound

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I would next like to see her insult French domestic help.