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[J Giles Band]

Hope the OP got some good advice here. But this thread is funny when you think of all the posts that claiming how awesome auctions are and that once you do one you'll never go back. Those posts never mention that you should get an auctioneer or two and force one or more owners onto a computer.

I read the whole thread. As I already said, the points here about about getting an auctioneer or two, or other solutions to 'simplify' the auction are funny. I've done auctions before and I know that they take more work. People here who prefer auctions should admit that they take more prep and work. It's funny to see how much more prep and work people will go through to make the auction format work well. Most of the time, when people brag about how awesome auctions are they leave out all the extra prep work. It's always funny to see auction fans get bent out of shape though when you are simply wishing the OP well and taking note of the requirements of the auction.

The only people turning this into a thread hijack and the ones trying to take me out of context. My first post was a comment on the fact that auctions take more work, and how that's rarely mentioned by people who trumpet auctions. See my last post for some examples. The whole reason this thread is amusing is because the people here are giving good examples of what kind of work it can take to run a good auction. There is no contradiction in my posts if you actually read them.

This reads eeirly similar to a pro athlete who pops off, looks like a total idiot and then claims he was taken out of context. When you can't hide from the truth just claim you were taken out of context, right? Too funny. If you'd at least own it and admit that you misspoke in your original post, I'd have a lot more respect.

Your above quotes were taken in their entirety. There is nothing taken out of context. In your first post you jump into this thread without reading it and assume guys are exalting the virtues of auctions. And as the bolded section clearly shows you claim no one ever mentions that it helps to have an auctioneer, etc.

When called on it, in your 2nd post you backpedal, change your story and say the posts do recommend getting an auctioneer to simplify the process but that it's funny to you.

There is nothing remotely taken out of context here. The bottom line is you jumped into this thread assuming one thing, misspoke and then tried to change your story. It's in black and white in your exact words.

No use continuing to ruin this thread man. We get it. You don't like auctions. Fine. Press on.

 

[Topes]

Anyway is it better to just throw out bids instead of the "organized" bidding?

I much prefer the round around order than just calling out bids. There are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are lost of diminished when going to call-out auction.

Round around bidding is a waste of time. Plus it's ridiculous that other owners have more time to think if they want to get into the bidding.Actually had a roto-baseball auction that had a process of a round around bidding order. Think the auction started at 8am and we were done at 6pm. Never seen a bigger cluster-f.

Not ridiculous at all. It's the rule. People follow it. Bid or don't bid.It's not a cluster-anything. Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.We knock out a round-the-room 12-team auction in four hours every year, which includes two 15-minute breaks.Nobody wants to be there until midnight, and everybody is pretty good about moving it along.Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.

 

[Captain Hook]

The extra work is worth it because, well, then you don't have to settle for a draft.

WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER

 

[ChromeWeasel]

Hope the OP got some good advice here. But this thread is funny when you think of all the posts that claiming how awesome auctions are and that once you do one you'll never go back. Those posts never mention that you should get an auctioneer or two and force one or more owners onto a computer.

I read the whole thread. As I already said, the points here about about getting an auctioneer or two, or other solutions to 'simplify' the auction are funny. I've done auctions before and I know that they take more work. People here who prefer auctions should admit that they take more prep and work. It's funny to see how much more prep and work people will go through to make the auction format work well. Most of the time, when people brag about how awesome auctions are they leave out all the extra prep work. It's always funny to see auction fans get bent out of shape though when you are simply wishing the OP well and taking note of the requirements of the auction.

The only people turning this into a thread hijack and the ones trying to take me out of context. My first post was a comment on the fact that auctions take more work, and how that's rarely mentioned by people who trumpet auctions. See my last post for some examples. The whole reason this thread is amusing is because the people here are giving good examples of what kind of work it can take to run a good auction. There is no contradiction in my posts if you actually read them.

This reads eeirly similar to a pro athlete who pops off, looks like a total idiot and then claims he was taken out of context. When you can't hide from the truth just claim you were taken out of context, right? Too funny. If you'd at least own it and admit that you misspoke in your original post, I'd have a lot more respect.

Your above quotes were taken in their entirety. There is nothing taken out of context. In your first post you jump into this thread without reading it and assume guys are exalting the virtues of auctions. And as the bolded section clearly shows you claim no one ever mentions that it helps to have an auctioneer, etc.

When called on it, in your 2nd post you backpedal, change your story and say the posts do recommend getting an auctioneer to simplify the process but that it's funny to you.

There is nothing remotely taken out of context here. The bottom line is you jumped into this thread assuming one thing, misspoke and then tried to change your story. It's in black and white in your exact words.

No use continuing to ruin this thread man. We get it. You don't like auctions. Fine. Press on.

I actually have nothing against auctions. I'm not a fan of the people who trumpet auctions over drafts and ignore the extra work involved. Hence my original post that its funny to see a thread like this where everyone is actually owning up to some significant efforts for auctions, like getting a third party auctioneer. At least that's honest. But it's still funny considering a lot of auction guys dont mention the extra work. I gave some examples of that earlier in the thread when challenged about it.It is funny to watch auction guys get bent out of shape though the second anyone points this out. It's too bad that you feel my points are ruining this thread, but I'm just replying every time someone misrepresents my posts. You can expect that to go on forever until you stop doing that.

 

[CalBear]

I actually have nothing against auctions. I'm not a fan of the people who trumpet auctions over drafts and ignore the extra work involved. Hence my original post that its funny to see a thread like this where everyone is actually owning up to some significant efforts for auctions, like getting a third party auctioneer. At least that's honest. But it's still funny considering a lot of auction guys dont mention the extra work. I gave some examples of that earlier in the thread when challenged about it.

Why are you here, exactly? You've made your point, it's been acknowledged, now please let people who actually have interest in auctions discuss them, instead of having to hear you repeatedly assert the same stupid point over and over.

 

[J Giles Band]

I actually have nothing against auctions. I'm not a fan of the people who trumpet auctions over drafts and ignore the extra work involved. Hence my original post that its funny to see a thread like this where everyone is actually owning up to some significant efforts for auctions, like getting a third party auctioneer. At least that's honest. But it's still funny considering a lot of auction guys dont mention the extra work. I gave some examples of that earlier in the thread when challenged about it.It is funny to watch auction guys get bent out of shape though the second anyone points this out. It's too bad that you feel my points are ruining this thread, but I'm just replying every time someone misrepresents my posts. You can expect that to go on forever until you stop doing that.

Please explain how your posts are misrepresented when they are quoted EXACTLY as they were written?Nothing was added or deleted. You contradicted yourself in the span of two posts and did all the work for us.

 

[J Giles Band]

I actually have nothing against auctions. I'm not a fan of the people who trumpet auctions over drafts and ignore the extra work involved. Hence my original post that its funny to see a thread like this where everyone is actually owning up to some significant efforts for auctions, like getting a third party auctioneer. At least that's honest. But it's still funny considering a lot of auction guys dont mention the extra work. I gave some examples of that earlier in the thread when challenged about it.

Why are you here, exactly? You've made your point, it's been acknowledged, now please let people who actually have interest in auctions discuss them, instead of having to hear you repeatedly assert the same stupid point over and over.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I actually have nothing against auctions. I'm not a fan of the people who trumpet auctions over drafts and ignore the extra work involved. Hence my original post that its funny to see a thread like this where everyone is actually owning up to some significant efforts for auctions, like getting a third party auctioneer. At least that's honest. But it's still funny considering a lot of auction guys dont mention the extra work. I gave some examples of that earlier in the thread when challenged about it.It is funny to watch auction guys get bent out of shape though the second anyone points this out. It's too bad that you feel my points are ruining this thread, but I'm just replying every time someone misrepresents my posts. You can expect that to go on forever until you stop doing that.

Please explain how your posts are misrepresented when they are quoted EXACTLY as they were written?Nothing was added or deleted. You contradicted yourself in the span of two posts and did all the work for us.

Here are both my earlier posts:"Hope the OP got some good advice here. But this thread is funny when you think of all the posts that claiming how awesome auctions are and that once you do one you'll never go back. Those posts never mention that you should get an auctioneer or two and force one or more owners onto a computer."-- I then get the typical flak expected on a forum and respond with ---"I read the whole thread. As I already said, the points here about about getting an auctioneer or two, or other solutions to 'simplify' the auction are funny. I've done auctions before and I know that they take more work. People here who prefer auctions should admit that they take more prep and work. It's funny to see how much more prep and work people will go through to make the auction format work well. Most of the time, when people brag about how awesome auctions are they leave out all the extra prep work. It's always funny to see auction fans get bent out of shape though when you are simply wishing the OP well and taking note of the requirements of the auction."I also provided some examples of posts, on this forum, where auction guys trumpet auctions and dont mention the extra work. Anyone who has been on Fantasy Football forums for a few years should be familiar with guys who post stuff like 'Once you go auction you'll never draft again'. Those posts are what make this thread so amusing. Most fair minded guys recognize that auctions take more work.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I actually have nothing against auctions. I'm not a fan of the people who trumpet auctions over drafts and ignore the extra work involved. Hence my original post that its funny to see a thread like this where everyone is actually owning up to some significant efforts for auctions, like getting a third party auctioneer. At least that's honest. But it's still funny considering a lot of auction guys dont mention the extra work. I gave some examples of that earlier in the thread when challenged about it.

Why are you here, exactly? You've made your point, it's been acknowledged, now please let people who actually have interest in auctions discuss them, instead of having to hear you repeatedly assert the same stupid point over and over.

I'll continue to reply when I'm called out directly. For the record I've refrained from insulting anyone, which is more than can be said for any of the people giving my posts a hard time.

 

[J Giles Band]

I also provided some examples of posts, on this forum, where auction guys trumpet auctions and dont mention the extra work. Anyone who has been on Fantasy Football forums for a few years should be familiar with guys who post stuff like 'Once you go auction you'll never draft again'. Those posts are what make this thread so amusing. Most fair minded guys recognize that auctions take more work.

Your failure to acknowledge that you initially claimed no one in this thread mentioned any extra work (auctioneers, etc.) for auctions and then in your very next post you said they did is laughable.And your examples are all from OTHER threads. We are talking about THIS thread.None of what you referred to occurred in this thread as you initially suggested and later backpedaled from. In fact the exact OPPOSITE of what you claimed has occurred in this thread. The entire thread has been about the measures you can take to make auctions more efficient. So if you really want to ridicule those who trumpet auctions, be my guest. But do it in the threads that do so and please avoid this one.

 

[Daywalker]

Anyway is it better to just throw out bids instead of the "organized" bidding?

I much prefer the round around order than just calling out bids. There are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are lost of diminished when going to call-out auction.

Round around bidding is a waste of time. Plus it's ridiculous that other owners have more time to think if they want to get into the bidding.Actually had a roto-baseball auction that had a process of a round around bidding order. Think the auction started at 8am and we were done at 6pm. Never seen a bigger cluster-f.

Not ridiculous at all. It's the rule. People follow it. Bid or don't bid.It's not a cluster-anything. Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.We knock out a round-the-room 12-team auction in four hours every year, which includes two 15-minute breaks.Nobody wants to be there until midnight, and everybody is pretty good about moving it along.Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.

Alowing some owners to have more time to mull whether they want to get into the bidding or not gives certain owners an advantage depending where they are bidding IMO. As well as allowing some owners to see the pace of bidding before entering as well.I guess it's a cluster-f for everyone so it's not unfair but it's a silly procedure.

 

[Topes]

Anyway is it better to just throw out bids instead of the "organized" bidding?

I much prefer the round around order than just calling out bids. There are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are lost of diminished when going to call-out auction.

Round around bidding is a waste of time. Plus it's ridiculous that other owners have more time to think if they want to get into the bidding.Actually had a roto-baseball auction that had a process of a round around bidding order. Think the auction started at 8am and we were done at 6pm. Never seen a bigger cluster-f.

Not ridiculous at all. It's the rule. People follow it. Bid or don't bid.It's not a cluster-anything. Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.We knock out a round-the-room 12-team auction in four hours every year, which includes two 15-minute breaks.Nobody wants to be there until midnight, and everybody is pretty good about moving it along.Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.

Alowing some owners to have more time to mull whether they want to get into the bidding or not gives certain owners an advantage depending where they are bidding IMO. As well as allowing some owners to see the pace of bidding before entering as well.I guess it's a cluster-f for everyone so it's not unfair but it's a silly procedure.

No, it's not a cluster-anything for anybody. It's quite efficient, and bidding moves right along, with the right owners.Not silly at all. When done in a manner which is amenable to all twelve owners, it works fine. Has worked fine since 1994. Will continue to work fine.As I said earlier, there are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are not present in an auctioneered auction. They're subtle, but present.It works for us. It works fine. It's not a cluster-anything for anybody. It is not silly.

 

[wudaben]

I actually have nothing against auctions. I'm not a fan of the people who trumpet auctions over drafts and ignore the extra work involved. Hence my original post that its funny to see a thread like this where everyone is actually owning up to some significant efforts for auctions, like getting a third party auctioneer. At least that's honest. But it's still funny considering a lot of auction guys dont mention the extra work. I gave some examples of that earlier in the thread when challenged about it.

It's funny that you say that because I have the completely opposite opinion... I play in auction and draft leagues in both baseball and football and personally think it takes more work on my part to get ready for a draft then an auction! The auctioneer in our league is always one of the owners but we switch off if that owner happens to be bidding so there really isn't any added pressure/work there.When preparing for an auction I simply use the FBG tiered rankings as a guideline as well as a top 300 list of players. I earmark my "must get" players and my "would like" list of players and lay out a couple $/position options for possible strategies...eg, QB=$20-$30, RB1=$50, etc. Another option list may have an alternate strategy but these are simple lists that I reuse and just put new players on each line. As the auction goes along if a player I wanted happens to go for too much, lets say the RB1 I wanted went for $60 instead of the 50 I budgeted then I must either overpay and subtract that $10 elsewhere in my budget or else pass on the player if I still have other possible RB1 tiered guys on cheatsheet that I think I can get for $50. I always love these teams so much more because I largely end up with the players I set out to get.Drafts are always a crap shoot! I have to study possible round by round ADPs to judge who might still be available by the time my pick comes around and if you truly want a particular player you often have to draft them a bit too early to make sure you can get them. On top of this I have to know a whole lot more about each individual player because when I get down to a certain round and the guy I wanted just got swiped by the guy picking in front of me, not only am I pissed now but I'm also stuck in a position where I might have to select a player who I didn't want, don't like, plays for a team I despise, etc. I like to think I'm pretty good in these leagues because I study much more about each individual player to know where the value is when each round of the draft plays out but IMO I prepare far more for a draft.

 

[Daywalker]

Anyway is it better to just throw out bids instead of the "organized" bidding?

I much prefer the round around order than just calling out bids. There are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are lost of diminished when going to call-out auction.

Round around bidding is a waste of time. Plus it's ridiculous that other owners have more time to think if they want to get into the bidding.Actually had a roto-baseball auction that had a process of a round around bidding order. Think the auction started at 8am and we were done at 6pm. Never seen a bigger cluster-f.

Not ridiculous at all. It's the rule. People follow it. Bid or don't bid.It's not a cluster-anything. Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.We knock out a round-the-room 12-team auction in four hours every year, which includes two 15-minute breaks.Nobody wants to be there until midnight, and everybody is pretty good about moving it along.Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.

Alowing some owners to have more time to mull whether they want to get into the bidding or not gives certain owners an advantage depending where they are bidding IMO. As well as allowing some owners to see the pace of bidding before entering as well.I guess it's a cluster-f for everyone so it's not unfair but it's a silly procedure.

No, it's not a cluster-anything for anybody. It's quite efficient, and bidding moves right along, with the right owners.Not silly at all. When done in a manner which is amenable to all twelve owners, it works fine. Has worked fine since 1994. Will continue to work fine.As I said earlier, there are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are not present in an auctioneered auction. They're subtle, but present.It works for us. It works fine. It's not a cluster-anything for anybody. It is not silly.

Fine it works for you. But you didn't address my points. When M. Vick is nominated why should an owner behind me have the advantage of more time, seeing the pace of bidding as well as having less owners to bid against given that some owners may have dropped out of bidding?

 

[Daywalker]

Anyway is it better to just throw out bids instead of the "organized" bidding?

I much prefer the round around order than just calling out bids. There are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are lost of diminished when going to call-out auction.

Round around bidding is a waste of time. Plus it's ridiculous that other owners have more time to think if they want to get into the bidding.Actually had a roto-baseball auction that had a process of a round around bidding order. Think the auction started at 8am and we were done at 6pm. Never seen a bigger cluster-f.

Not ridiculous at all. It's the rule. People follow it. Bid or don't bid.It's not a cluster-anything. Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.We knock out a round-the-room 12-team auction in four hours every year, which includes two 15-minute breaks.Nobody wants to be there until midnight, and everybody is pretty good about moving it along.Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.

Alowing some owners to have more time to mull whether they want to get into the bidding or not gives certain owners an advantage depending where they are bidding IMO. As well as allowing some owners to see the pace of bidding before entering as well.I guess it's a cluster-f for everyone so it's not unfair but it's a silly procedure.

No, it's not a cluster-anything for anybody. It's quite efficient, and bidding moves right along, with the right owners.Not silly at all. When done in a manner which is amenable to all twelve owners, it works fine. Has worked fine since 1994. Will continue to work fine.As I said earlier, there are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are not present in an auctioneered auction. They're subtle, but present.It works for us. It works fine. It's not a cluster-anything for anybody. It is not silly.

Fine it works for you. But you didn't address my points. When M. Vick is nominated why should an owner behind me have the advantage of more time, seeing the pace of bidding as well as having less owners to bid against given that some owners may have dropped out of bidding?

 

[belljr]

Anyway is it better to just throw out bids instead of the "organized" bidding?

I much prefer the round around order than just calling out bids. There are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are lost of diminished when going to call-out auction.

Round around bidding is a waste of time. Plus it's ridiculous that other owners have more time to think if they want to get into the bidding.Actually had a roto-baseball auction that had a process of a round around bidding order. Think the auction started at 8am and we were done at 6pm. Never seen a bigger cluster-f.

Not ridiculous at all. It's the rule. People follow it. Bid or don't bid.It's not a cluster-anything. Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.We knock out a round-the-room 12-team auction in four hours every year, which includes two 15-minute breaks.Nobody wants to be there until midnight, and everybody is pretty good about moving it along.Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.

Alowing some owners to have more time to mull whether they want to get into the bidding or not gives certain owners an advantage depending where they are bidding IMO. As well as allowing some owners to see the pace of bidding before entering as well.I guess it's a cluster-f for everyone so it's not unfair but it's a silly procedure.

No, it's not a cluster-anything for anybody. It's quite efficient, and bidding moves right along, with the right owners.Not silly at all. When done in a manner which is amenable to all twelve owners, it works fine. Has worked fine since 1994. Will continue to work fine.As I said earlier, there are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are not present in an auctioneered auction. They're subtle, but present.It works for us. It works fine. It's not a cluster-anything for anybody. It is not silly.

Fine it works for you. But you didn't address my points. When M. Vick is nominated why should an owner behind me have the advantage of more time, seeing the pace of bidding as well as having less owners to bid against given that some owners may have dropped out of bidding?

Well for us, if you pass on a bid, that does not eliminate you, you have the chance to bid again when there is a new high bidder, since it has to make it back to him for him to "win".

 

[Daywalker]

Anyway is it better to just throw out bids instead of the "organized" bidding?

I much prefer the round around order than just calling out bids. There are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are lost of diminished when going to call-out auction.

Round around bidding is a waste of time. Plus it's ridiculous that other owners have more time to think if they want to get into the bidding.Actually had a roto-baseball auction that had a process of a round around bidding order. Think the auction started at 8am and we were done at 6pm. Never seen a bigger cluster-f.

Not ridiculous at all. It's the rule. People follow it. Bid or don't bid.It's not a cluster-anything. Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.We knock out a round-the-room 12-team auction in four hours every year, which includes two 15-minute breaks.Nobody wants to be there until midnight, and everybody is pretty good about moving it along.Having a slow auction is a function of your owners.

Alowing some owners to have more time to mull whether they want to get into the bidding or not gives certain owners an advantage depending where they are bidding IMO. As well as allowing some owners to see the pace of bidding before entering as well.I guess it's a cluster-f for everyone so it's not unfair but it's a silly procedure.

No, it's not a cluster-anything for anybody. It's quite efficient, and bidding moves right along, with the right owners.Not silly at all. When done in a manner which is amenable to all twelve owners, it works fine. Has worked fine since 1994. Will continue to work fine.As I said earlier, there are layers of strategy involved (in or out decisions and bluffing) that are not present in an auctioneered auction. They're subtle, but present.It works for us. It works fine. It's not a cluster-anything for anybody. It is not silly.

Fine it works for you. But you didn't address my points. When M. Vick is nominated why should an owner behind me have the advantage of more time, seeing the pace of bidding as well as having less owners to bid against given that some owners may have dropped out of bidding?

Well for us, if you pass on a bid, that does not eliminate you, you have the chance to bid again when there is a new high bidder, since it has to make it back to him for him to "win".

You sure you know what a cluster-f is? Are you married?

 

[roadkill1292]

I actually have nothing against auctions. I'm not a fan of the people who trumpet auctions over drafts and ignore the extra work involved.

The reason we don't mention it is because it's not worth mentioning.

 

[roadkill1292]

Well for us, if you pass on a bid, that does not eliminate you, you have the chance to bid again when there is a new high bidder, since it has to make it back to him for him to "win".

From an historical context, this is actually how the original Roto baseball guys ran their auctions."Poker style," or bidding in turn, is actually a fairly neat and organized method for running an auction and my league has done it that way in the past. The problem with it is the delay that comes with some of the more deliberate bidders when it's their turn. The inevitable wait is probably similar to the ones you experience in a draft.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I also provided some examples of posts, on this forum, where auction guys trumpet auctions and dont mention the extra work. Anyone who has been on Fantasy Football forums for a few years should be familiar with guys who post stuff like 'Once you go auction you'll never draft again'. Those posts are what make this thread so amusing. Most fair minded guys recognize that auctions take more work.

Your failure to acknowledge that you initially claimed no one in this thread mentioned any extra work (auctioneers, etc.) for auctions and then in your very next post you said they did is laughable.And your examples are all from OTHER threads. We are talking about THIS thread.None of what you referred to occurred in this thread as you initially suggested and later backpedaled from. In fact the exact OPPOSITE of what you claimed has occurred in this thread. The entire thread has been about the measures you can take to make auctions more efficient. So if you really want to ridicule those who trumpet auctions, be my guest. But do it in the threads that do so and please avoid this one.

I can't aknowledge something that didnt happen. My original point was that it's cool to see people admitting some of the extra steps involved in running an auction. A lot of people don't aknowledge that. But in this thread you've got the OP looking for help, and someone advising him to get an independant auctioneer to make things work. Some other tips involved usng another party to record everything while people bid. Those and other ideas are cool; I just found it funny considering many people who advocate for auctions dont mention that kind of stuff. They just say that auctions are far better than drafts. That might be true for them, but it does a disservice to a rookie fantasy league trying to get going.As to my examples, of course they were from other threads, because that's what I was referring to in the first place. That was my whole point; the reason this thread is amusing is because it gives real examples of some of the extra effort involved in running auctions. Even Roadkill gets that, as I can see from his post above. And he's been disagreeing with me since his first post in this thread. I don't expect everyone to agree on whether auctions are easier or not, despite some of the examples here in the thread. But dont claim that I said something that I didnt. The text is right there for you to go back and read it. It's pretty funny that you want to make something up, call someone out, and then ask in the same post that the person you are insulting not reply any longer. You'd have to be pretty new to this, or any other forum, to expect that tactic to get you anywhere.

 

[CalBear]

Please go away.

 

[J Giles Band]

I can't aknowledge something that didnt happen. My original point was that it's cool to see people admitting some of the extra steps involved in running an auction.

But dont claim that I said something that I didnt. The text is right there for you to go back and read it. It's pretty funny that you want to make something up, call someone out, and then ask in the same post that the person you are insulting not reply any longer. You'd have to be pretty new to this, or any other forum, to expect that tactic to get you anywhere.

Let's be clear, no one has made anything up. Everything referred to has included your direct quotes.

Hope the OP got some good advice here. But this thread is funny when you think of all the posts that claiming how awesome auctions are and that once you do one you'll never go back. Those posts never mention that you should get an auctioneer or two and force one or more owners onto a computer.

Here is your original post again in your own words, unedited, in BOLD. It says the exact opposite of your most recent claim 'that it's cool to see people admitting some of the extra steps involved in running an auction.'If you wish to backtrack now and clarify that you were not referring to THIS thread, fine (although it calls into question why you posted in this thread in the first place). But don't pretend as if you never posted the above.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I can't aknowledge something that didnt happen. My original point was that it's cool to see people admitting some of the extra steps involved in running an auction.

But dont claim that I said something that I didnt. The text is right there for you to go back and read it. It's pretty funny that you want to make something up, call someone out, and then ask in the same post that the person you are insulting not reply any longer. You'd have to be pretty new to this, or any other forum, to expect that tactic to get you anywhere.

No one has made anything up. Everything referred to has included your direct quotes.

Hope the OP got some good advice here. But this thread is funny when you think of all the posts that claiming how awesome auctions are and that once you do one you'll never go back. Those posts never mention that you should get an auctioneer or two and force one or more owners onto a computer.

Here is your original post again in your own words, unedited, in BOLD. Now if you wish to backtrack now and clarify that you were not referring to THIS thread, fine. But if you continue to pretend as if you never posted the above you are more dilusional than I originally thought.

Thanks for putting the post up again. The text you bolded doesnt refer to any posts in this thread. I'm referring to guys who trumpet auctions over drafts, while either denying or ignoring that they take more work than drafts do. That's been going on for years in this forum. Someone will posts something about a draft, and someone will randomly chime in with a phrase like 'auctions are better, once you go auction you'll never draft again'. If you've never seen an example of that on this forum you can check my earlier posts where I provided examples for you. There have been plenty of banter on this forum where people claim that auctions are no harder to run than drafts. That's why I found this thread funny; because it's a great example of the kind of extra effort some people really do go through to make auctions work.It's getting pretty funny that you can't follow along. I'm not sure why you are so focused on trying to prove me wrong. If you really don't want to get into this just admit you read my post wrong or simply drop it.

 

[ahole_derby]

I am in two different 10-team leagues that auction draft over 15 rounds. We get together at a member's house and the beer is flowing. We randomly determine an order for nominating players (we roll three 10-sided dice, each a different color - we've never had a tie this way). Once an order is established and the draft begins, owners (in order) throw out a player with a starting bid. We then simply throw out higher bids if we are interested. No "taking turns down the line" during the bid process, or anything like that. Bids continue to be thrown out until it eventually filters down to 2 or 3 owners bidding on the player. Eventually it gets quiet, and the person in charge of assigning the picks to the digital draft board starts entering the player for the owner with the highest bid. We have a rule, though - it's not a race. Until the player has been "stuck" to the board, any owner can all of a sudden jump back into the bid. This sometimes creates some awesome hilarity, as the owner who was so sure he was getting the player in question gets trumped at the last second. The bidding process continues until a player finally goes for his true market value to the highest bidder.

We do use digital draft board software called primetime draft, which really helps the auction speed and helps everyone track their players and remaining auction values automatically. In our 5+ years of auction drafting, we've never taken more than 3 hours, including a 10 (or so) minute break. We'll never go back to snake drafting.

As far as prep work for the auction itself, each of us does that differently. All I do is download the VBD excel sheet, which supports auction values. Takes me all of 10 minutes total after I have entered my league's scoring system. That's not to say it's my total prep time, because if I added up all of the time reading about the players on footballguys and other sites, as well as news reports, etc., it would add up to much more than that. However, that time doesn't specifically apply to auction drafts - that's time I would spend no matter how I draft. I have an idea of players I want to target, and I have an idea of how much I want to spend at each position. The general rule about auctions, though, is that you have to be flexible (in my opinion). I'm very successful, winning-percentage-wise, by keeping that rule in mind.

 

[andypro]

First of all, you don't need an auctioneer. Here's what you do:

The first guy nominates a player, the next guy must either 1) Bid more than the first guy or 2) Yell "auction". Whoever drops out of the bidding first and yells "auction" becomes the auctioneer. Once you have an auctioneer, the bidding should go faster. (the auctioneer then becomes the only owner who can't bid on the player)

Secondly, take 5 minutes before the draft to explain a couple of things:

1) Tell everyone that we're going to have the same cadence for auctioning a player. Like Going Once - beat - Going Twice - beat - Sold!

2) Next, explain to everyone that there's no need to bid $2 on a player everyone knows will go $25 or more.

In my baseball league, it used to be Albert Pujols $1, Albert Pujols $2, $3, etc. Once I explained it an everyone agrees that it will save oodles of time, the typical Pujols bidding goes like this: Pujols $10, $30, $32, Auction. After that, a few owners fight it out to decide which side of $40 Pujols lands at, but it goes real quick.

We've been doing it this way for so long now that people don't even wait their turn to be the auctioneer. It's just Ryan Dempster $1, and someone yells auction. If you have no intention of rostering the guy, and don't care who knows it, just be the auctioneer and move it along.

 

[belljr]

WHO LEFT THE SHED DOOR OPEN?!?

 

[J Giles Band]

It's getting pretty funny that you can't follow along. I'm not sure why you are so focused on trying to prove me wrong. If you really don't want to get into this just admit you read my post wrong or simply drop it.

Nothing was read incorrectly. Your post was quoted exactly as written and didn't make your point clear. As written it reads as if you are referring to the other posts in this thread. Just a thought, but maybe your post would have made more sense in the thread you were actually referring to?

 

[ChromeWeasel]

It's getting pretty funny that you can't follow along. I'm not sure why you are so focused on trying to prove me wrong. If you really don't want to get into this just admit you read my post wrong or simply drop it.

Nothing was read incorrectly. Your post was quoted exactly as written and didn't make your point clear. As written it reads as if you are referring to the other posts in this thread. Just a thought, but maybe your post would have made more sense in the thread you were actually referring to?

My post is right where its supposed to be. I understand why you'd rather claim it doesn't make sense. You've spend too much effort in this thread trying to prove me wrong to just move along quietly and let the thread do its own thing.

 

[J Giles Band]

My post is right where its supposed to be. I understand why you'd rather claim it doesn't make sense. You've spend too much effort in this thread trying to prove me wrong to just move along quietly and let the thread do its own thing.

Sure... Good luck with your drafts.