Help with End of Season Tiebreakers (1 Viewer)

[jacenh]

I am currently setting up the rules for my fantasy league and was wondering what would be the best tiebreaker system for at the end of the year and two or more teams have the same record. I definatly want head to head record to be the first breaker but after that their has been some debate in our league. I was wondering how other people feel about this. All opinoins are welcomed.

 

[Lehigh98]

I am currently setting up the rules for my fantasy league and was wondering what would be the best tiebreaker system for at the end of the year and two or more teams have the same record. I definatly want head to head record to be the first breaker but after that their has been some debate in our league. I was wondering how other people feel about this. All opinoins are welcomed.

Total PointsAnd always throw in "Coin Flip" at the end, just in case.

 

[puckalicious]

Need more info from you. Number of teams? Number of divisions/conferences? Schedule format - how many games against division/conf compared to everyone else?

I prefer to start with the NFL rules and adapt it to a particular FFL format.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

 

[SuperJohn96]

Ours used to be complicated, but then we just went:

1. W-L-T record (defined as Win % I guess)

2. Total Points

3. One Coin Flip

We had H2H and divisions and blah blah blah...it was too nuts for years until I simplified it.

ETA: The three way ties were what made it messy

Eg...

Team A was 2-0 vs Team B

Team B was 2-0 vs Team C

Team C was 2-0 vs Team A

Crap like that...

 

[Ray_T]

Ours used to be complicated, but then we just went:1. W-L-T record (defined as Win % I guess)2. Total Points3. One Coin FlipWe had H2H and divisions and blah blah blah...it was too nuts for years until I simplified it.

our league has this format:1) W-L-T record2) Head to Head record3) Total Fantasy points scored4) Coin Flipthere was a motion to put Total Fantasy TD's Scored in there, but that was rejected by the league.hope this helps.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Here's how I do it:

If any teams are tied based on HTH record at the end of the regular fantasy season the following tiebreakers will be used to determine playoff eligibility:

Tie Breakers for Division Winner:

1. Head to head between the tied teams

3. Division record

4. Points

5. Highest single game score during regular season

Tie Breakers for Wildcard Playoff Spots:

1. Points

2. Head to head between all the tied teams

3. Highest single game score during regular season

I don't like HTH for the wildcard since you only play that team once and it could have been a really bad bye week for one of the teams.

 

[Chase Stuart]

FWIW, I believe points scored should be the #1 tiebreaker, ahead of H2H. Alternatively, SOS would be a legitimate tiebreaker option as well, with the team with the harder SOS gaining the tiebreaker.

 

[Q-Bert]

FWIW, I believe points scored should be the #1 tiebreaker, ahead of H2H. Alternatively, SOS would be a legitimate tiebreaker option as well, with the team with the harder SOS gaining the tiebreaker.

 

[VonRomig]

From our league's rule book (Appendix Explanation)

"Final Ranking Determinations

An expanded explanation of the league’s standing placement of tied team in determining rankings, in regards to playoff inclusion. Additional clarification of Rule 10. When three or more teams have a tied Win/Lose record, this is the guideline to giving each team their final overall ranking. Needed in the event that one or more of the tie-breakers prevent an easy choice. The underlined qualifying basis is that upon reaching a factor that ranks a team above the rest, the determining process resets back to the beginning, and starts anew. With the recently placed team no longer involved in the process.

This explanation is being given, and an example shown, so that in the future the owners will know why a team may not make the playoffs. To thus prevent a possible disagreement in the event your team loses out...

An example:

Team A, Team B, and Team C all have an 7-6 record, and only two of them can make it into the playoffs, as there are already four teams with better records ahead of them.

Team......W/L....... Div Rec..... Total Points ...... A ...... B ..... C

A ............7-6 ........ 3-3 ............. 1508 ........... X .... W- L ....L

B ............7-6 ........ 3-3 ............. 1376 ......... W- L ... X ..... W

C ............7-6 ........ 4-2 ............. 1354 ........... W ..... L ..... X

Under Rule 10, the Order Of Determination is set as...

Win/Lose Record, Head-to head Record, Divisional Record, and Total Points.

As they all have the same W/L record, you must then look at their head-to-head records. Yet as you can see none of them have a winning record over both of the others... Team A and Team B are 1-1 against each other, while although Team C won against Team A, they lost to Team B. Therefore there is not a team that you can place over both of the others. So all three are then moved on to a Divisional Record check. At this point Team C is granted the next highest ranking, as their 4-2 record gives them the nod.

At this point, Team C is taken out of the equation. Team A and Team B then restart the determination process from scratch. Same W/L Record, tied in Head-to-head contests, and just as even in the Divisional check. Therefore it goes down to Total Points, and Team A wins the final playoff spot.

Now it is possible for Team B to claim that he beat both of the other teams at least once, and in fact did not even lose a game to Team C, and has more total points than Team C. But as the Rankings are worked, Team B will have to wait until next season to get his revenge.

Also, as Team C grabbed the first playoff spot, he is therefore also granted the higher ranking within the playoffs... in this example that would be the 5th seed. While Team A gets the 6th and final seed.

Note that this determination is used with all ties and not just for those capable of getting into the playoffs. It can have an affect on other interesting placements; like who is in last place and thus gets 1st over all rookie pick, or who gets a first round bye in the playoffs."

I hope this helps a little.

Von

 

[Clayton Gray]

FWIW, I believe points scored should be the #1 tiebreaker, ahead of H2H. Alternatively, SOS would be a legitimate tiebreaker option as well, with the team with the harder SOS gaining the tiebreaker.

FF is all about scoring, so points scored should be the #1 tiebreaker. Next should be most points scored against because it's harder to win when your opponents are scoring more points.

 

[Futeki]

Total points is good, but I prefer All-Played (a team's record as if they played every team every week) as the first tie-breaker.

 

[VonRomig]

FWIW, I believe points scored should be the #1 tiebreaker, ahead of H2H. Alternatively, SOS would be a legitimate tiebreaker option as well, with the team with the harder SOS gaining the tiebreaker.

FF is all about scoring, so points scored should be the #1 tiebreaker. Next should be most points scored against because it's harder to win when your opponents are scoring more points.

If Total Points Scored is the primary tie-breaker then what is the need to play in a Head-to-head league?Total Points Score as a tie-breaker is also a false measurement of a team's strength or the Owners fantasy skills. Teams last year who had Tom Brady and Chad Johnson would have suffered a massive decline in their point totals based on pre-season expectations. But if that Owner was good enough in using the waiver-wire, working trade deals, and putting forth the best selection of his players in the line-up (coaching efficiency) to win the needed games to still tie those other teams at the Playoff cut-off. Then his ability to win games should be how he is measured. Not how many points over-all his team just happened to make. And this the reason for having Head-to head leagues, and not just Total Point leagues.

Once your in the playoffs, then the rules change. But to get into the Playoffs should be due to the head-to-head matchups that all the Owners had to go through.

If you want to stick to Total Points Scored, then don't even bother with playing Head-to-head.

Von

 

[AB in DC]

Dude, we're just talking about tiebreakers here. No one's saying to drop win-loss record at all. But if two teams have the same number of wins, then the "ability to win games" is, by definition, equal.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I think All-Play Record is a better indicator of the stronger team than Total Points. All-Play record shows who was consistently better week in and week out. Total Points can get skewed if one of the teams has a abnormally strong week or bad week.

The point of most leagues isn't to score the most points, it's to win a head-to-head matchup each week; not to score the most points for a season. All-Play records just takes into account head to head against all teams so I'd personally prefer that method.

 

[Pickle Rody]

From my 12-team, 5-keeper (max 2 per/pos.) league rule book. These have worked well over the years. We play in 3 divisions.

“PLAYOFFS”

G1: SIX (6) TEAMS MAKE THE LEAGUE PLAY-OFFS EACH YEAR. ONLY ONE (1) WILL WIN THE LEAGUE TITLE.

G2: THE SIX (6) PLAY-OFF SPOTS ARE DETERMINED BY THE THREE (3) DIVISION WINNERS AND THE NEXT THREE (3) BEST TEAMS FROM ALL DIVISIONS. PLAYOFF SEEDING (& NEXT YEAR'S TOP HALF DRAFT ORDER, PICKS 1 - 6) IS DETERMINED USING THE PLAYOFF TIEBREAKERS (G4.)

G3: PLAY-OFFS ARE THE LAST THREE (3) WEEKS OF THE NFL REGULAR SEASON.

G4: TIE-BREAKERS FOR MAKING THE PLAY-OFFS ARE AS FOLLOWS:

1st - WIN/LOSS RECORD

2nd - HEAD TO HEAD COMPETITION FOR SEASON

3rd - DIVISION WINS IF IN SAME DIVISION

4th - TOTAL POINTS FOR SEASON

5th - HEAD TO HEAD POINTS (COMBINE TOTAL POINTS OF BOTH GAMES)

6th - HALF DOLLAR COIN TOSS.

(G5 through G8 deal with weekly playoff matchups.)

G9: IN ADDITION TO RULES B5 & B6 (starting roster requirements rules) YOU MUST START TWO (2) ADDITIONAL PLAYERS OR TEAM DEFENSES DURING THE PLAY-OFFS IN CASE OF A TIE GAME.

G10: TIE-BREAKERS FOR PLAY-OFF WINS ARE AS FOLLOWS:

1st - THE TWO (2) ADDITIONAL PLAYERS OR TEAM DEFENSES WILL BE TOTALED FOR AN OVERTIME SCORE, HIGHEST TOTAL WINS

2nd - HIGHEST INDIVIDUAL TOTAL OF THE FOUR (4) PLAYERS

3rd - OVERALL REGULAR SEASON RECORD - NOT NECESSARILY THE HIGHER SEED.

Just last year we started a basement bowl for the teams that didn't actually make it into the cash playoffs. It runs through weeks 15 - 17 also. Tie-breakers are the same for them in the sense that the are viewed oppositely. The worst record in the regular season gets Basement seed #12. That team and seed #11 have a bye in week 15 thus providing them a better opportunity to win the basement bowl. (Seed #7 vs. #10, #8 vs. #9 in week 15, etc.) While the Basement Bowl does not alter the draft order of the bottom 6 teams the following year, it provides the winner a 1-week window of opportunity after cut-down date to swap out one of his keepers for a player that was released. It's a small bonus for winning the basement bowl and looks to be somewhat valuable to the team who will get to do that this year. Of course, it's not required to swap players, that one team simply has the right to exercise that option for a 1-week period only.

Sorry, didn't mean to fly off on a tangent there, but the tiebreakers are tied in heavily to a bunch of league specific annual settings and I thought it better framed the whole issue to put it all out there.

 

[Varmint]

Ours is a 14-team, 13-Week regular seaon.

Everyone plays everyone one time during the regular season..

I've never thought that your ticket to the playoffs should depend on a single game that was played weeks ago...therefore, I made the "head-to-head" tie breaker way down the line.

Our regular season tie-breakers are in this order:

1) Overall W-L %

2) Diision W-L % (puts a real empasis on your division matchups)

3) Total STARTER POINTS for Weeks 1-13 (regular season)

4) Power Ranking

5) Head-to-head

Post-season Tie Breaker:

Very simple....home team gets the win.

(Home field in the playoffs are decided by the regular season tie-breakers).