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I am trying to figure out why all the love for Henry but not for Benson. I understand that Benson has not had a full load in the NFL but he was the main guy in college and that wasn't that long ago. Henry is prime for a big season but I think that Benson could rush for similar yardage and easily end up with more TD's due to his tough style of running in the red zone. I feel that the line in Chicago is better than the line that Denver has and he gets to play the Lions twice. Am I completely wrong on this one?

 
I am trying to figure out why all the love for Henry but not for Benson. I understand that Benson has not had a full load in the NFL but he was the main guy in college and that wasn't that long ago. Henry is prime for a big season but I think that Benson could rush for similar yardage and easily end up with more TD's due to his tough style of running in the red zone. I feel that the line in Chicago is better than the line that Denver has and he gets to play the Lions twice. Am I completely wrong on this one?
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I'd have to say that Henry is the more proven back in the more proven system.

Also, the Broncos get the Lions as well this year.

 
I think a lot of people knock Benson because of his behavior and his "injury issues". I really don't see there being a problem with him at all.

 
For me the difference is that Henry has more of a proven track record than Benson does. He has done it on two different teams that were pretty average. Now he is going to a good team with a blocking system that fits his running style. Benson in limited action has already has me worried about injuries plus he has only a limited about of carries to judge him on. Right now I would say Henry carries far less risk with him than Benson.

 
Anything can happen so you aren't completely wrong, but in fantasy football (as in many things) you analyze the risk, reward and probablility when making a selection. To do that you have to look at the past as a possible indicator of the future.

Benson has been average when given opportunities to be the main guy in the past, while Henry has shown that he can perform in difficult situations (last year on a bad Tenn team with a rookie QB and questionable WRs for example). Denver, although not to the degree they have in the past, tend to produce good numbers for their RBs, which also tilts the scales to Henry's side. Finally, Benson looked a little "yella" in the Super Bowl going down on hardly any contact, fumbling, and getting hurt on what seemed to be a nothing hit. It was the biggest game of the year and he got nicked up and sat out. Not the kind of heart you want to see from your starting tailback.

I am not saying that Benson will not succeed as the Bear's starter, but I think Henry looks like the safer bet on a team that has shown more success at creating opportunities for their RBs.

 
Denver's consistently had one of the elite running games, and offenses, in the league under Shanahan. They may have used multiple backs too frequently for our FF tastes in recent years, but they always put up numbers. And there's still the dream of cashing in big, like with T. Davis or Portis.

The words "Bears" and "elite offense", however, tend to not go well together in the same sentence. And the last uber-stud Chicago RB was...Sweetness?

Finally, Henry is a proven NFL commodity. He's run for over 1200 yards three times, and for double-digit TDs twice. Benson...has potential. But he's had two years where the Bears would have LOVED to see him grab the feature back role, and failed to do so. It's being handed to him this year...but what will he do with it?

So Henry plays for the more-proven offense, and is a proven commodity. Benson has not done it yet in the NFL.

 
Denver's consistently had one of the elite running games, and offenses, in the league under Shanahan. They may have used multiple backs too frequently for our FF tastes in recent years, but they always put up numbers. And there's still the dream of cashing in big, like with T. Davis or Portis.The words "Bears" and "elite offense", however, tend to not go well together in the same sentence. And the last uber-stud Chicago RB was...Sweetness?Finally, Henry is a proven NFL commodity. He's run for over 1200 yards three times, and for double-digit TDs twice. Benson...has potential. But he's had two years where the Bears would have LOVED to see him grab the feature back role, and failed to do so. It's being handed to him this year...but what will he do with it? So Henry plays for the more-proven offense, and is a proven commodity. Benson has not done it yet in the NFL.
:thumbup: This sums it up quite nicely.
 
I love them both.I love Henry at the top of the 2nd.I love Benson in the 4th.
Good luck if you think you can get Henry in the 2nd anymore.
...or Benson in the 4th.
I've done 4 drfats so far this year.....Henry as gone near the end of the 1st and Benson at the end of the 2nd/top of the 3rd in all 4 drafts. I doubt you catch either at a super value anymore. Benson will represent a little more value for your roster if you can add him at/or around the turn in the 3rd round - IMO.
 
Cowtippers said:
mcd said:
Zaphod said:
gump said:
I love them both.I love Henry at the top of the 2nd.I love Benson in the 4th.
Good luck if you think you can get Henry in the 2nd anymore.
...or Benson in the 4th.
I've done 4 drfats so far this year.....Henry as gone near the end of the 1st and Benson at the end of the 2nd/top of the 3rd in all 4 drafts. I doubt you catch either at a super value anymore. Benson will represent a little more value for your roster if you can add him at/or around the turn in the 3rd round - IMO.
Are you guys talking 10-teamers?I just did 3 at Ant....Henry went early 2nd and Benson either late 3rd or early 4th in all 3....
 
The 4 drafts I did were either 12 or 14 team leagues (not 10). I can see the draft positions of Henry & Benson being "lower" in 10 team leagues.

 
ffguru56 said:
I think a lot of people knock Benson because of his behavior and his "injury issues". I really don't see there being a problem with him at all.
What I find funny is that people are so overly concerned with Benson's injuries but not Frank Gore. Frank Gore has torn both ACL's, blew out both shoulders, and now broke his hand or wrist.The reason everyone is scared of Benson is because he got hurt in the Super Bowl and its fresh in their minds.
 
Looking4Answers said:
I am trying to figure out why all the love for Henry but not for Benson. I understand that Benson has not had a full load in the NFL but he was the main guy in college
...which is completely meaningless. Henry has proven himself - multiple times on multiple team no less - Benson hasn't proven squat. That's why. But yeah they could end up w/similar #s, or Henry could get hurt/suspended/etc and Benson blows by him. Odds appear to be in Henry's favor tho.
 
ffguru56 said:
I think a lot of people knock Benson because of his behavior and his "injury issues". I really don't see there being a problem with him at all.
What I find funny is that people are so overly concerned with Benson's injuries but not Frank Gore. Frank Gore has torn both ACL's, blew out both shoulders, and now broke his hand or wrist.The reason everyone is scared of Benson is because he got hurt in the Super Bowl and its fresh in their minds.
What you ignore is Gore went thru an entire year last year carrying the load and was fine. Benson hasn't even come close. Both are injury concerns IMO.
 
ffguru56 said:
I think a lot of people knock Benson because of his behavior and his "injury issues". I really don't see there being a problem with him at all.
What I find funny is that people are so overly concerned with Benson's injuries but not Frank Gore. Frank Gore has torn both ACL's, blew out both shoulders, and now broke his hand or wrist.The reason everyone is scared of Benson is because he got hurt in the Super Bowl and its fresh in their minds.
What you ignore is Gore went thru an entire year last year carrying the load and was fine. Benson hasn't even come close. Both are injury concerns IMO.
When was the last time Frank Gore made it through two healthy seasons in his football playing career?Benson has been out for a few weeks only a couple of times in his career, once he starts tearing ACL's and blowing out shoulders, only then will they be the same injury concern.
 
When was the last time Frank Gore made it through two healthy seasons in his football playing career?Benson has been out for a few weeks only a couple of times in his career, once he starts tearing ACL's and blowing out shoulders, only then will they be the same injury concern.
You seem to be stuck in the collegiate past. Not saying it should be totally ignored, but I'm much more interested in most recent circumstances. Gore has held up under a full season. Benson hasn't even come remotely close.
 
When was the last time Frank Gore made it through two healthy seasons in his football playing career?Benson has been out for a few weeks only a couple of times in his career, once he starts tearing ACL's and blowing out shoulders, only then will they be the same injury concern.
You seem to be stuck in the collegiate past. Not saying it should be totally ignored, but I'm much more interested in most recent circumstances. Gore has held up under a full season. Benson hasn't even come remotely close.
This current training camp and breaking your hand isn't current enough for Frank Gore?
 
I hate the "he hasnt done anything yet in the NFL" argument, or the "you're living in the collegiate past" argument.

Benson has played TWO NFL seasons. The Bears have had a very capable NFL veteran as their starter for those two seasons. Thomas Jones was himself a top 10 pick years back for the Arizona Cardinals, so he's got a ton of talent himself, and Benson shouldnt be ashamed or punished by the FF community because he didnt wrestle away 25 carries a game. I'd try to put myself in the position of Lovie Smith. He had two very talented backs, a great OLine, a great D, and not much of a passing game. That combo led to a two headed monster at RB, with Jones leading the way. Now there is no TJ, and the Bears havent indicated that it will be anyone other than Benson back there. Benson is a bruiser. He was drafted as a top 5 pick. He is in an incredible situation. Sure, he hasn't done anything in the NFL yet, but neither had Frank Gore, Addai, Reggie Bush, Maroney, Jones-Drew, or Chester Taylor last season. Should you automatically pass on a great talent in a great situation because they havent carried the ball 300 times in a season yet? If you're in my league, I hope you do, but I wouldnt recommend it.

I understand passing on the guy if there are some other proven guys with similar situations that are still available, but where Benson is being drafted, the likely other choices are Thomas Jones (new situation in NY, he's proven, but I dont think the Jets OLine and D give him as good an opportunity as CB in Chicago) and Brandon Jacobs (also unproven, far worse team) and maybe Ronnie Brown (sort of proven, but yet to break out big, and team is far worse), and maybe Portis (proven, but still lots of question marks) if everyone is down on his him because of Betts and injuries. Based on the other options, I just dont see passing on CB.

 
I hate the "he hasnt done anything yet in the NFL" argument, or the "you're living in the collegiate past" argument.Benson has played TWO NFL seasons. The Bears have had a very capable NFL veteran as their starter for those two seasons. Thomas Jones was himself a top 10 pick years back for the Arizona Cardinals, so he's got a ton of talent himself, and Benson shouldnt be ashamed or punished by the FF community because he didnt wrestle away 25 carries a game. I'd try to put myself in the position of Lovie Smith. He had two very talented backs, a great OLine, a great D, and not much of a passing game. That combo led to a two headed monster at RB, with Jones leading the way. Now there is no TJ, and the Bears havent indicated that it will be anyone other than Benson back there. Benson is a bruiser. He was drafted as a top 5 pick. He is in an incredible situation. Sure, he hasn't done anything in the NFL yet, but neither had Frank Gore, Addai, Reggie Bush, Maroney, Jones-Drew, or Chester Taylor last season. Should you automatically pass on a great talent in a great situation because they havent carried the ball 300 times in a season yet? If you're in my league, I hope you do, but I wouldnt recommend it. I understand passing on the guy if there are some other proven guys with similar situations that are still available, but where Benson is being drafted, the likely other choices are Thomas Jones (new situation in NY, he's proven, but I dont think the Jets OLine and D give him as good an opportunity as CB in Chicago) and Brandon Jacobs (also unproven, far worse team) and maybe Ronnie Brown (sort of proven, but yet to break out big, and team is far worse), and maybe Portis (proven, but still lots of question marks) if everyone is down on his him because of Betts and injuries. Based on the other options, I just dont see passing on CB.
:sleep:I agree with pretty much everything you've written. Although Benson is losing value by the second, he is still a great buy in most leagues.
 
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The biggest thing people are not realizing this year is that the Denver OL is just not that good. This whole "Denver will always have a great running game" is humbug. You need OL to have a great run game and they do not .... it will be their worst OL (except maybe last year thanks to injuries etc) since forever. Add to that the fact that Cutler is basically still a rookie QB who will have his share of learning curve, and Henry will not live up to his hype when he gets 8 in the box and no open holes and is constantly getting hit behind the LOS.

 
Denver run game >> Chicago run game

Henry's track record >> Benson's track record

 
I hate the "he hasnt done anything yet in the NFL" argument, or the "you're living in the collegiate past" argument.
Sorry to hear that but it doesn't make it any less relevant. Benson is to a large extent unproven - certainly he hasn't proven he can be "the man," to say the least. Gore and Henry have. That's all I'm saying.
Benson has played TWO NFL seasons.
:confused: Yeah - as a part-timer. So?
Benson is a bruiser.
Yet he keeps getting hurt. Not saying he's "injury prone" (at least not yet) but it's worth noting.
He was drafted as a top 5 pick.
So was Ryan Leaf.
Sure, he hasn't done anything in the NFL yet,
wow someone finally admits it. That's all I'm saying.
but neither had Frank Gore, Addai, Reggie Bush, Maroney, Jones-Drew, or Chester Taylor last season.
Might be a good point - if this were last year. I thought we were talking about this year.And in fact even then it's not a good analogy because those guys hadn't really had the chance to be "the man" and prove themselves until last year. Benson has.
Should you automatically pass on a great talent in a great situation because they havent carried the ball 300 times in a season yet?
? Who's saying you should?
I understand passing on the guy if there are some other proven guys with similar situations that are still available,
You mean like Henry? :fishing:
 
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Looking4Answers said:
I am trying to figure out why all the love for Henry but not for Benson. I understand that Benson has not had a full load in the NFL but he was the main guy in college
...which is completely meaningless. Henry has proven himself - multiple times on multiple team no less - Benson hasn't proven squat. That's why. But yeah they could end up w/similar #s, or Henry could get hurt/suspended/etc and Benson blows by him. Odds appear to be in Henry's favor tho.
This is why I like Benson. Lot's of upside and not much chance of under performing his draft position.
 
The biggest thing people are not realizing this year is that the Denver OL is just not that good. This whole "Denver will always have a great running game" is humbug. You need OL to have a great run game and they do not .... it will be their worst OL (except maybe last year thanks to injuries etc) since forever. Add to that the fact that Cutler is basically still a rookie QB who will have his share of learning curve, and Henry will not live up to his hype when he gets 8 in the box and no open holes and is constantly getting hit behind the LOS.
Bad OL & raw QB - didn't you basically just describe last year's Titans squad, where Henry put up some decent numbers?Denver uses a different kind of O-Lineman and scheme, so they can be sucessful with players you may not think as much of - we'll see, but I think Henry's floor is a lot higher than Benson's.
 
Two words about Henry's podiatry history that scares me: "Turf Toe" It hasn't reared up to bite this trendy pick now that he's in a Bronco's uniform, but that's an injury that never goes away. I like Benson this year.

 
Add to that the fact that Cutler is basically still a rookie QB who will have his share of learning curve, and Henry will not live up to his hype when he gets 8 in the box and no open holes and is constantly getting hit behind the LOS.
So this makes Benson's outlook better than Henry's? Are we to believe that opposing defenses are so scared of Grossman that Benson will have holes galore?
 
Two words about Henry's podiatry history that scares me: "Turf Toe" It hasn't reared up to bite this trendy pick now that he's in a Bronco's uniform, but that's an injury that never goes away. I like Benson this year.
Didn't seem to stop him last season.
 
Add to that the fact that Cutler is basically still a rookie QB who will have his share of learning curve, and Henry will not live up to his hype when he gets 8 in the box and no open holes and is constantly getting hit behind the LOS.
So this makes Benson's outlook better than Henry's? Are we to believe that opposing defenses are so scared of Grossman that Benson will have holes galore?
Perhaps....3200 yards and 23 TD's....Bernard Berrian has speed...don't have to say much but Devin Hester...and Mark Bradley is a 4.4 guy.I hope they try to stop the run...cuz they won't be able to and then Grossman will have a ton of deep balls this year.
 
Add to that the fact that Cutler is basically still a rookie QB who will have his share of learning curve, and Henry will not live up to his hype when he gets 8 in the box and no open holes and is constantly getting hit behind the LOS.
So this makes Benson's outlook better than Henry's? Are we to believe that opposing defenses are so scared of Grossman that Benson will have holes galore?
Rex will burn your ### if you stack the box. He's not perfect, but he can throw the deep ball.
 
It's preseason, vs. the Niners, but still:

2-1-SF 1 (10:58) T.Henry up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

1-1-SF 1 (11:43) T.Henry up the middle to SF 1 for no gain (P.Willis).

1-10-SF 17 (12:34) J.Cutler up the middle to SF 1 for 16 yards (M.Lewis).

2-1-SF 23 (13:09) T.Henry right end to SF 17 for 6 yards (N.Clements; M.Douglas).

1-10-SF 32 (13:31) T.Henry left end pushed ob at SF 23 for 9 yards (M.Lewis; D.Smith).

2-10-DEN 44 (14:06) J.Cutler pass deep left to J.Walker to SF 32 for 24 yards (S.Spencer). Caught at SF 36.

1-10-DEN 44 (14:13) J.Cutler pass incomplete short left to D.Hixon.

1-10-DEN 33 (14:52) T.Henry right tackle to DEN 44 for 11 yards (N.Clements; M.Lewis).

8 plays, five of them runs to Henry, four of those very productive, including two shots at the goal line resulting in a TD. That's the kind of football Shanahan likes, and he's pretty good at running this offense.

 
I don't want to fan the flames here, but if you look at what Portis has done in Washington and you compare it with what Henry did in Tennessee and Buffalo, you don't see a great difference in production.

Henry is a quality back. He has a very real chance of posting the best season of his career in 2007.

That's old news of course, but put me in the camp that thinks he's a viable top 5-6 RB this year.

 
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The biggest thing people are not realizing this year is that the Denver OL is just not that good. This whole "Denver will always have a great running game" is humbug. You need OL to have a great run game and they do not .... it will be their worst OL (except maybe last year thanks to injuries etc) since forever. Add to that the fact that Cutler is basically still a rookie QB who will have his share of learning curve, and Henry will not live up to his hype when he gets 8 in the box and no open holes and is constantly getting hit behind the LOS.
Last year Henry rushed for over 1200 yards with Vince Young being his QB and a make shift offensive line. Vince Young is arguably the worst passer in the league. What kind of fronts do you think Henry faced when he was a Titan? It wasnt like they had any either WR's either the only offensive skill position that you could classify maybe as above average would be TE.
 
I am trying to figure out why all the love for Henry but not for Benson. I understand that Benson has not had a full load in the NFL but he was the main guy in college and that wasn't that long ago. Henry is prime for a big season but I think that Benson could rush for similar yardage and easily end up with more TD's due to his tough style of running in the red zone. I feel that the line in Chicago is better than the line that Denver has and he gets to play the Lions twice. Am I completely wrong on this one?
2152/122341/172384/18Those are Denver's 1-year, 3-year, and 5-year averages rushing the ball.1918/141880/121749/11Those are Chicago's 1-year, 3-year, and 5-year averages rushing the ball.325/1438/13That's Travis Henry's best career season.157/647/6That's Cedric Benson's best career season.17/70/.44 (4.1 yards per carry)That's Travis Henry's career average game. It projects to 272/1120/7 (with another 28/184 receiving).9/38/.25 (4.1 yards per carry)That's Cedric Benson's career average game. It projects to 144/608/4 (with another 6/38 receiving).Pay special attention to how Cedric Benson has the exact same career yards-per-carry as Henry, despite the fact that he ran behind Chicago's offensive line (which you claim is better than Denver's, so it must be LIGHT YEARS ahead of Buffalo's and Tennessee's).Any more questions?
The biggest thing people are not realizing this year is that the Denver OL is just not that good. This whole "Denver will always have a great running game" is humbug. You need OL to have a great run game and they do not .... it will be their worst OL (except maybe last year thanks to injuries etc) since forever. Add to that the fact that Cutler is basically still a rookie QB who will have his share of learning curve, and Henry will not live up to his hype when he gets 8 in the box and no open holes and is constantly getting hit behind the LOS.
I'm thinking about it, and I don't think that I could possibly disagree more.Denver's OL is not that good? Denver has finished 8th, 2nd, and 4th in rushing yards over the last three years (average rank: 4.7) despite lining up Tatum Bell, Mike Anderson, and Reuben Droughns as their leading back (none of whom is currently with the team or a starter). Oh yeah, they've really fallen off of a cliff from their heyday from '96 to '98, when Terrell Davis was tearing things up and their average rank was 2.3 (including a 4th place finish). In fact, fun little fact: Denver's best rushing season with Terrell Davis leading the way was 2468 yards and 26 TDs (in his 2,000 yard season). In 2005, with Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell splitting the carries, Denver rushed for 2539 yards and 25 TDs. Fun fact #2: 2539 is greater than 2468. Denver's rushing game accounted for more fantasy points in 2005 than it did in Terrell Davis's 2000 yard season (which was the best rushing year under Davis). I guess Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell are just such studs that they can outproduce Terrell Davis despite running behind a worse offensive line, right? Denver's average rushing yards from 1996 to 1998 was 2402 yards. Denver's average rushing yards from 2005 to 2006 was 2341 yards. I'm not sayin' anything, I'm just sayin'...Denver's offensive line was at its worst under Clinton Portis, when it started the terrible Ephraim Salaam, the inexperienced Ben Hamilton, the injured Tom Nalen, the aging and ineffective Dan Neil, and the perpetually underrated Matt Lepsis, with pretty much no depth behind them. Since then, Lepsis has been moved to Left Tackle, where's he quietly been one of the best in the league (and a huge upgrade over Salaam), Hamilton has gotten some experience under his belt and has improved as a result, Nalen has gotten healthy (there's always the risk of him declining with age, but he hasn't to any noticeable degree yet), Neil has been replaced with Kuper (jury's still out on that move, since Kuper hasn't played yet, but I'm calling it a wash to replace a player at the end of his career with a player at the beginning of his career), and Pears has replaced Lepsis (a definite downgrade). So we've got a huge upgrade at LT, a slight upgrade at LG, a wash at C (because Injured Nalen is as good as Old Nalen), a wash at RG (because under-the-hill Kuper is as good as over-the-hill Neil), and a huge downgrade at RT. At the very least, the offensive line is no worse than it was in 2003 when the team rushed for a mind-blowing 2629 total yards (!!!), and in my mind, it's marginally better (especially if you count the depth, which has gone from "nonexistent" to "best in the league". Denver's 2nd-string OLine would probably be an upgrade over some of the worst starting lines in the NFL, and I'm not even exaggerating). And this analysis ignores Daniel Graham, the best blocking TE in the NFL, who is essentially just a sixth offensive lineman on running plays.As for the rest of it... Cutler + Walker + Marshall + Stokley + Scheffler + Graham is WAAAAAY better than Vince Young + Drew Bennett + Bobby Wade + Brandon Jones + Bo Scaife + Ben Troupe, and Denver's OLine is miles ahead of Tennessee's OLine. Facing 8-man fronts didn't seem to slow Henry down much last year, now did it?Edit: it's been true for so long that I think people are starting to forget just how much better Denver is at running the ball than the rest of the league. People think that Denver's been returning to the pack, but Denver hasn't been returning to the pack. Denver's offensive line and scheme are as dominant today as they have always been under Shanahan, the only difference is that Denver hasn't had a stud RB to tote the rock.This also marks the third straight year that I've heard people saying that Denver's offensive line was on the decline. People said it before the 2005 season, and Denver wound up finishing the season ranked 2nd in attempts, 2nd in yards, 4th in yards per attempt, and 3rd in TDs. People said it before the 2006 season, and despite losing Matt Lepsis, an All-Pro caliber Left Tackle, Denver ranked 9th in attempts, 8th in yards, and 9th in yards per attempt. And now people are saying it this season. Oh well, if it means I get Travis Henry that much later, I'm in favor of all such nonsense. Denver's entire rushing offense is perched precariously on the edge! If anyone sneezes it's going to fall! Stay away! Stay away!!!
 
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