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HERD's NFL Mock Draft - 2006 (1 Viewer)
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RustyFA
Footballguy
Colin, good mock. A couple things for you. I really like the Vikings pick of Lendale White. They need a good RB or a better OL. 1.3 for 1.6 and Volek is pretty cheap. I think you have to throw in a 2nd rounder at least.I think your pick of Abdul Hodge to the Colts is a lock. The Colts have taken D Clark-who I incidently played against ( and whooped) in high school and Bob Sanders as their 1st picks the last 2 drafts. Both from Iowa. Hodge is going to be a great pro. Rock solid in every aspect of his game. Will not be a pro-bowler but will be very good for a long time. A very safe and good pick.Chad Greenway is going to be THE combine star. The guy makes plays that just don't seem possible. Best cover LB I have ever seen. Fast and is all over the field.The Iowa coaches have strong ties to Sherman in GB, Atlanta, Cleveland-Savage and Ferentz are tight, Baltimore, and the Colts.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Thats awesome JAA, but care to add something of value?Was Katzenmoyer not forced out of the NFL due to injury?
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
First, not many watch more college football than I do. I have Fox Sportsnet so I see plenty of Texas games. Last year and this year. The guy throws 3/4 arm at best. This throwing motion stinks. I see Young completing a bunch of deep passes where his wideouts are wide open and he has all day to throw. I do not see him fitting intermediate passes into small areas very much. I dont see him throwing the deep out or deep comeback that often. Mostly it is slants and deep balls. I havent seen him throw on the run much (when he starts running he stays running which is smart in college because he is great at it) which is the part of mobility that is most desireable in the NFL.OK, I have said over and over that Vince needs to come back for one more year of college but the things you are saying have no validity. First off, you obviously haven't watched mant Texas games this year, try watching a game before you make a bunch of comments based on a. what you have heard other people say or b. what you have read. Young can throw and he can throw well when he needs to. It just so happens that several of the games Texas won were becuase of Young's passing, not just his running.He cant throw?He's not used to running a sophisticated passing offense.
He hasnt had to do that much reading of defenses in the Texas offense.
Any of the above?
He actually does run a sophisticated pass offense. Anyone who knows Texas football (Obviously not you) knows this. The Texas offense is really sohpisticated and calls for a lot of audibles and reads that a lot of other QB don't have to do.
Try to know a little about stuff before you make a bunch of comments like this.
1. Texas rushed for 273 yds per game and passed for 234 yds per game. Does that sound like a sophisticated passing offense?
2. Texas averaged 24 pass attempts per game.
Blowouts paid a part in the above stats but if they ran so much because they were so far ahead, how would you know they have a sophisticated offense.
GREAT college player. Intriguing pro prospect. Not a top 3 pick.
I will bet either you or Colin that Young is not a top 5 pick.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Judging an offense's level of sophistication by the amount of yardage it produces it just silly. By that rationalization, the NFL should be littered with Texas Tech and BYU Qbs.First, not many watch more college football than I do. I have Fox Sportsnet so I see plenty of Texas games. Last year and this year. The guy throws 3/4 arm at best. This throwing motion stinks. I see Young completing a bunch of deep passes where his wideouts are wide open and he has all day to throw. I do not see him fitting intermediate passes into small areas very much. I dont see him throwing the deep out or deep comeback that often. Mostly it is slants and deep balls. I havent seen him throw on the run much (when he starts running he stays running which is smart in college because he is great at it) which is the part of mobility that is most desireable in the NFL.1. Texas rushed for 273 yds per game and passed for 234 yds per game. Does that sound like a sophisticated passing offense?OK, I have said over and over that Vince needs to come back for one more year of college but the things you are saying have no validity. First off, you obviously haven't watched mant Texas games this year, try watching a game before you make a bunch of comments based on a. what you have heard other people say or b. what you have read. Young can throw and he can throw well when he needs to. It just so happens that several of the games Texas won were becuase of Young's passing, not just his running.He cant throw?
He hasnt had to do that much reading of defenses in the Texas offense.
Any of the above?
He actually does run a sophisticated pass offense. Anyone who knows Texas football (Obviously not you) knows this. The Texas offense is really sohpisticated and calls for a lot of audibles and reads that a lot of other QB don't have to do.
Try to know a little about stuff before you make a bunch of comments like this.
2. Texas averaged 24 pass attempts per game.
Blowouts paid a part in the above stats but if they ran so much because they were so far ahead, how would you know they have a sophisticated offense.
GREAT college player. Intriguing pro prospect. Not a top 3 pick.
I will bet either you or Colin that Young is not a top 5 pick.
facook
Footballguy
As a fellow 49er fan, I must say I have no idea what you're talking about.Colin, your selection of Brick to the Niners is interesting. Do you see him starting at RT? Or them moving Jennings to RT? Or moving Brick to guard? I agree with an earlier poster that the O-Line is pretty solid if they can keep people healthy. It seems to me that defense is the way to go if they're picking #2 or later.
I would love to see them pick up the Minnesota Center (Eslinger?) if they can get ahold of him. Newberry just can't stay healthy, and Eslinger seems like a solid pro prospect at that position.
Irish
Footballguy
You must have missed the Texas-OSU game where Young threw a beautiful perfect pass to win the game.First, not many watch more college football than I do. I have Fox Sportsnet so I see plenty of Texas games. Last year and this year. The guy throws 3/4 arm at best. This throwing motion stinks. I see Young completing a bunch of deep passes where his wideouts are wide open and he has all day to throw. I do not see him fitting intermediate passes into small areas very much. I dont see him throwing the deep out or deep comeback that often. Mostly it is slants and deep balls. I havent seen him throw on the run much (when he starts running he stays running which is smart in college because he is great at it) which is the part of mobility that is most desireable in the NFL.1. Texas rushed for 273 yds per game and passed for 234 yds per game. Does that sound like a sophisticated passing offense?OK, I have said over and over that Vince needs to come back for one more year of college but the things you are saying have no validity. First off, you obviously haven't watched mant Texas games this year, try watching a game before you make a bunch of comments based on a. what you have heard other people say or b. what you have read. Young can throw and he can throw well when he needs to. It just so happens that several of the games Texas won were becuase of Young's passing, not just his running.He cant throw?
He hasnt had to do that much reading of defenses in the Texas offense.
Any of the above?
He actually does run a sophisticated pass offense. Anyone who knows Texas football (Obviously not you) knows this. The Texas offense is really sohpisticated and calls for a lot of audibles and reads that a lot of other QB don't have to do.
Try to know a little about stuff before you make a bunch of comments like this.
2. Texas averaged 24 pass attempts per game.
Blowouts paid a part in the above stats but if they ran so much because they were so far ahead, how would you know they have a sophisticated offense.
GREAT college player. Intriguing pro prospect. Not a top 3 pick.
I will bet either you or Colin that Young is not a top 5 pick.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I didnt miss that game at all. A great game by VY. He was tremendous. I dont see that kind of passing accuracy on any kind of consistent basis from him.
pettifogger
Footballguy
I agree here. I think from the local press that they've given up on Kwame Harris at RT and would love to upgrade. This year their line has looked much better since they put rookies Baas and Snyder in, about 5-6 games ago.
I would love to see them pick up the Minnesota Center (Eslinger?) if they can get ahold of him. Newberry just can't stay healthy, and Eslinger seems like a solid pro prospect at that position.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Are you saying that Texas Tech and BYU do not have sophisticated passing offenses? If an athlete like Vince Young was executing the Texas Tech offense by throwing the ball around and making ALL of the throws, I think that would be in his favor.What I was saying is that I dont see much of Vince Young sitting back in the pocket surveying the D and going through his options and throwing to his third option. If the 2nd option isnt there, he takes off. Thats what he is good at.Judging an offense's level of sophistication by the amount of yardage it produces it just silly. By that rationalization, the NFL should be littered with Texas Tech and BYU Qbs.First, not many watch more college football than I do. I have Fox Sportsnet so I see plenty of Texas games. Last year and this year. The guy throws 3/4 arm at best. This throwing motion stinks. I see Young completing a bunch of deep passes where his wideouts are wide open and he has all day to throw. I do not see him fitting intermediate passes into small areas very much. I dont see him throwing the deep out or deep comeback that often. Mostly it is slants and deep balls. I havent seen him throw on the run much (when he starts running he stays running which is smart in college because he is great at it) which is the part of mobility that is most desireable in the NFL.1. Texas rushed for 273 yds per game and passed for 234 yds per game. Does that sound like a sophisticated passing offense?OK, I have said over and over that Vince needs to come back for one more year of college but the things you are saying have no validity. First off, you obviously haven't watched mant Texas games this year, try watching a game before you make a bunch of comments based on a. what you have heard other people say or b. what you have read. Young can throw and he can throw well when he needs to. It just so happens that several of the games Texas won were becuase of Young's passing, not just his running.He cant throw?
He hasnt had to do that much reading of defenses in the Texas offense.
Any of the above?
He actually does run a sophisticated pass offense. Anyone who knows Texas football (Obviously not you) knows this. The Texas offense is really sohpisticated and calls for a lot of audibles and reads that a lot of other QB don't have to do.
Try to know a little about stuff before you make a bunch of comments like this.
2. Texas averaged 24 pass attempts per game.
Blowouts paid a part in the above stats but if they ran so much because they were so far ahead, how would you know they have a sophisticated offense.
GREAT college player. Intriguing pro prospect. Not a top 3 pick.
I will bet either you or Colin that Young is not a top 5 pick.
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
He made great reads and check downs under incredible pressure at Ohio State. He went through his progressions, made quick decisions, and great throws. It was as impressive a quarterbacking performance, a passing performance, as I have seen this season. On the game winning pass, Vince commented:
When I saw the pass, I made the comment that if he got lucky so be it, but if actually meant to put the ball where he did, then he's nothing short of a star in the making... as a passer. According to him he placed it right where he wanted it. AJ Hawk observed:
Great is the important word in evaluating this performance. He didn't make good throws. He made great throws. He made two throws Leinart simply doesn't have the arm strength to make. OSU coach, Jim Tressel spoke about the advantage a running QB has in the passing game, if he can make the passes. Defenses have to commit to stopping the run and it opens things up. It worked for McNabb, Culpepper, SYoung, and others. Vick just isn't a very good passer. Young may be very good.His accuracy later in the season was uncanny when he completed 25 of 29 against Colorado. Against Kansas he was very accurate again tossing 4 TD passes in the first half. In that game the pocket presence was very impressive. He wasn't running after a quick look downfield. He had good protection, and three of the TD passes were secondary options.
Maybe I've just caught his best performances. I agree the mechanics are... what was that? Hinky? But he wouldn't be the first very accurate passer with an odd delivery. I don't like it, and I admit to being wary of him, but the potential is huge.
I guess I am trying to say he is nothing like Vick was. He is accurate. He makes great throws. He just has the ability to run too. I think McNabb comparisons are more accurate. Donovan ran like a mother at Syracuse too, and his accuracy was criticized.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I'm just talking about Youngs' potential draft position. He is a GREAT college QB. Unlike Collin, I dont think he goes anywhere near top 3. Top 10 if he is lucky.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Eh, some team is going to think the potential is huge. Maybe not top three. I think top 5 for sure, but who knows? I think a team like AZ or Tenn that has an aging QB who he can learn from is the only sensible approach. If some team expects Vince to step into the lineup... they'll ruin him, and he'll suck. Leinart can step into a lineup (maybe). Vince needs to be groomed. It's the end result that intrigues me.
My 
- Reggie Bush goes #1 no matter who has the pick. The leverage factor is too great. Someone will pay dearly if the team with the #1 pick wants Leinart.- Phillip Rivers will be dealt to someone else in April. San Diego either not keep their original slot, or will wind up with an additional #1 pick.- Agree with your commentary on Vince Young, as well as the trade possibility of Volek. What a great scenario for the Jets.- I pray you are wrong with the Vikings taking Lendale White. As a Steelers homer, I would love to see him wearing Black & Gold. Bettis will retire, Staley will not be back, and the organization will not just hand over the keys to FWP without a solid insurance policy, especially since he could not stay healthy this year. 
Looking forward to many more of these threads in the future. By the way, in case I have missed it, anyone know what the date & location is for the 06 NFL draft? This will definitely be one to try to attend live.
- Reggie Bush goes #1 no matter who has the pick. The leverage factor is too great. Someone will pay dearly if the team with the #1 pick wants Leinart.- Phillip Rivers will be dealt to someone else in April. San Diego either not keep their original slot, or will wind up with an additional #1 pick.- Agree with your commentary on Vince Young, as well as the trade possibility of Volek. What a great scenario for the Jets.- I pray you are wrong with the Vikings taking Lendale White. As a Steelers homer, I would love to see him wearing Black & Gold. Bettis will retire, Staley will not be back, and the organization will not just hand over the keys to FWP without a solid insurance policy, especially since he could not stay healthy this year. Looking forward to many more of these threads in the future. By the way, in case I have missed it, anyone know what the date & location is for the 06 NFL draft? This will definitely be one to try to attend live.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Wood,Sorry for the delay. I disagree with a great deal of what you've prognosticated. I think that Young and Jacobs are both "one foot in" the draft. They might not come out, but it's still too soon to tell. Secondly, your boy John Clayton I suspect would opine that even with the injuries, Ahmad Brooks would be no worse than LB4 in this draft and could likely go higher than that. He's silly talented, injury or not.Unlike Eddie George, the Titans will make every effort to keep McNair. For starters, he's still a viable QB. Secondly, they are well aware that Billy Volek is not the answer and would rather extract value from soneone who might be sold on Volek.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I can not say it emphatically enough...When you combine the usual "I can be the guy that makes him GREAT!" arrogance of most offensive coaching minds with Young's physical talent, it is a lock that he goes Top-10 whenever he comes out. I am still not sure why people think he was the leader in passing efficiency in college this year by accident. It's not like he threw 3 passes a game to get that - he passed plenty and he was awfully good at it. Every scout out there who finds a wart on Young needs only to pop in last year's Rose Bowl or this year's OSU game (either OSU, actually) to find what's great about St. Vincent. 
Colin
Colin
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I see Ferguson as the kind of keystone athletic tackle that can't be passed at this point in the draft. I actually don't see Ferguson as the big time Left Tackle that most see. I think he's more of an anchor type, capable of playing 3 or 4 spots really well on the line. It's easy to call Tackles that end up playing guard "busts", but we forget that there's just as many guards in a game as tackles. Someone has to play guard. For example, if Robery Gallery never becomes a great tackle but plays excellent guard for the next decade, then he certainly is no bust.I'm rambling.
I would love to see them pick up the Minnesota Center (Eslinger?) if they can get ahold of him. Newberry just can't stay healthy, and Eslinger seems like a solid pro prospect at that position.
Anyway, I think Ferguson will be intriguing enough after testing and study that someone in the top-6 will say, "We can't pass on an elite Oline prospect this high. No way....pick him."
Colin
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
You think Martin is done as well?
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Honestly, Maroney reminds me alot of SJax and it's not just the hair. I was saying similar things about him before the draft a couple of years ago, but he's pretty much proven my fears were unfounded. Guess we'll see with Maroney. But I certainly don't think he's as good as Bush. Haven't seen enough of Harrison to compare.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Maroney could EASILY be RB5 this year. (Bush, WIlliams, White, Bush)Heck, he could go behind Harrison.Colin
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Is Michael Bush really all that? I wasn't as impressed with him in a couple games I saw.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
HERD,Just watched Addai light it up in the first half. Is he a 2nd rounder, or more like a 3rd?
The guy hit 64% of his passes. What ####### kind of accuracy do you want? This is an absurd statement for someone who apparently watched a lot of his games.FWIW, I can't stand his delivery. But he was pretty damn good throwing the ball this year.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
1. Do you want to talk about watching the games or STATS? We can do either.2. Do you want to talk about what it takes to be a College QB or what it takes to be a Pro QB or do you think they are the same?
FWIW, I can't stand his delivery. But he was pretty damn good throwing the ball this year.
Its the kind of throws he makes. I dont see him fitting the ball in on tight coverage like you have to in the NFL. He doesnt throw the deep in cut. Its not in their offense because they dont need it to be. They kill you in other ways. However, it is in EVERY NFL offense.
His accuracy of 63.9% is 15th in the NCAA. Is that great? He is 2nd in Passing rating but I'm not sure how that is calculated since he is ahead of Brian Brohm but Brohm has more yards, a higher completion % and half the interceptions (as well as 7 less TD's).
Great College QB that I happen to think wont be great in the Pro's and wont be a top 5 pick. I dont know why you and others continue to try and spin it as if I have said he sucks.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I wasn't trying to spin it that way. I respect your opinion though we see this differently. One thing I know by scrolling through 20 years of drafts, is that this is a dice roll. Our opinions differ. Big deal. I hope I'm right and Young has a great career. He'll be fun to watch. If I'm wrong, it won't be the first time or the last. Young is a very interesting prospect to say the least.diesel7982
Footballguy
No, but I think its extremely silly to pass up a Rb like Williams for 2 extremely marginal runners in Blaylock and Houston.
First of all, thanks for your draft thoughts. Fun read.Since I haven't seen anyone comment about you Dolphin pick I'll give it a shot . . .
I can't see them reaching for Jacobs in the first round. "IF" Cutler is available at #15 I could see them maybe taking a chance on him, but you have Cutler going earlier than 15. GM Mueller has a history of finding QB's and bringing in a bunch of them during training camp.
IMO at #15 I think Sabans' going to look for an impact Safety. Madison has just stated that he thinks he'll be playing his last game for the Dolphins this Sunday. That will leave the Dolphins very young at CB with Poole & Daniels. At #15 I see Saban looking at impact Safeties such as Huff, Landry or Bing. I also wouldn't be surprised to see them go Oline witha pick like Marcus McNeill (6'9, 340 lbs).
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Colin, other than Lienart and Cutler, I don't see Miami taking a QB in the first round. Not with their need at CB and the fact that Saban has a lot of other SEC QBs to choose from later in the draft. Also, even with the wonders that Hudson Houck has done with our O line, we still don't have a solid LT. Eric Winston anyone?Also, Volek stays in Tenn and McNair is let go. No way the Jets get Volek for that price.
Finatic
Footballguy
Safety is a sore spot as is Quarterback.Saban has stated that major changes will be made in the offseason.I'm guessing QB and S are high on his list.Not real crazy about Jacobs,but wouldn't mind seeing Cutler in Orange and Aqua.Saw him in person this past fall at the UF/Vandy game and he looks real poised in the pocket,has a live arm,can run and has a real awareness of the game....
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Its very interesting that feelings are so strong about Vince Young on both sides of the debate. Ive been watching him closely down here in Austin and I think both sides are correct:- Vince Young's potential as a QB is staggering, certainly good enough to make him a top 10 pick. All of the physical tools are there for an elite QB, and Young also brings intense competitiveness and leadership to the table. His effect on the Longhorns has been undeniable. - Vince Young needs work at QB and will not get away with a lot what he was able to do on the college level in the pros. He gets by on feel and the immense athleticism edge he has on college players a lot of the time, and that gap will close in the NFL. Vince has developed solid checkdown skills and certainly knows how to put the ball where his big receivers can make plays, but I haven't seen Vince break down a defense by taking apart coverage schemes and patiently going through progressions - a skill he will have to develop at least somewhat in the pros. Vince's mechanics have been funky from day one at UT and they will need to chance or he will have too many passes batted down at the line. The sidearm-3/4 delivery negates his height advantage to boot. He also makes 5 or so "WTF?" passes a game - plays where it looks like he had a brain fart or just saw something that wasn't there. In college, a lot of these passes go off defenders fingertips, or bounce off of their chests. That won't happen in the pros. Discipline/Decision Making and Mechanics will have to change for Vince to duplicate his success in the pros, and he will have to go to "QB school", because my impression of his career at UT is that the coaches have basically enjoyed the ride and not tried to change the playing style that is working regardless of its ability to translate to the pros- it's Vince's team.
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Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
I'll wager pretty much whatever you want that Volek is not on the Titans next year.
Read the First page and the last, so if people talked about the Broncos in the middle pages and I say the same thing, my bad. Anyway-While I like the pick of UCLA's big TE Lewis, I think the Bronocs already have to many prosepcts at TE, (Putizer just got a hefty long term contract, S Alexander is there, and the young ex-basketball player Wesely Duke has been learning the system for two years now I think. I would say they need help at WR, OL depth, and a Pass Rusher before TE. I know its unlikey but I would like to see Denver trade its two first round picks and trade up to be in a position to pick AJ Hawk. I think the Bronocs could use him to help their pass rush and cycle DJ, Gold, and Hawk at the two outside LB positions. The Bronocs dont have much Cap room, so while Hawk may not be the best person to target, I think trading their two first round picks to get a top 10 pick would be awesome.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Actually, Al Wilson stands to make a substantial amount of
next season, and for what he does on the field, he may not be worth it. In fact, many simply expect him to be cut. With Ahmad Brooks probably off the board at their pick, the Broncos can make a safe pick of either Abdul Hodge or D'Quell Jackson and know that their talent at MLB is substantially upgraded.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Vernon Davis, if he comes out, will be the runaway top TE off the board 
diesel7982
Footballguy
Miscommunication then. I was being serious.His injury had nothing to do with how much he was overrated for the NFL. You started the sarcastic comment, I followed through with it.Thats awesome JAA, but care to add something of value?Was Katzenmoyer not forced out of the NFL due to injury?
