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Here we go again.. I.E. Job situation (1 Viewer)

belljr

Footballguy
:lol:

I am glad I jumped into learning the Power Platform when it first came out 5 years ago.

Between the "raise" I received moving to my current company in January, and this "raise" with this offer, my salary has increased 40k since December. :eek:
Plus saving all that cash eating early birds 🤣

I knew you were older than me thought by a little more...... So I'll just pretend you are 60 now

 

themeanmachine

Footballguy
Curious to hear how your direct manager reacts when you give notice. If I understand right, it’s your manager’s manager who is the micro-managing problem. But it’s your managers job to deal with that and protect their team. To me, your manager is as much to blame for you leaving as their manager is.

 

snogger

Footballguy
Curious to hear how your direct manager reacts when you give notice. If I understand right, it’s your manager’s manager who is the micro-managing problem. But it’s your managers job to deal with that and protect their team. To me, your manager is as much to blame for you leaving as their manager is.
I agree on the fact my Manager had plenty of opportunities to try and get in front of this over the past 4 to 6 weeks and choose to just "See how it goes".. Definitely going to be intereting to get his reaction on Monday.. One of the times being fully remote comes in handy as doing it in person I'd be more more :oldunsure: on the reaction.

 

Dezbelief

Footballguy
snogger said:
I agree on the fact my Manager had plenty of opportunities to try and get in front of this over the past 4 to 6 weeks and choose to just "See how it goes".. Definitely going to be intereting to get his reaction on Monday.. One of the times being fully remote comes in handy as doing it in person I'd be more more :oldunsure: on the reaction.
See how it goes; meaning he is comfortable with the situation, afraid to speak up or doesn't want to rock the boat on account of you; possibly all three.

 
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snogger

Footballguy
See how it goes; meaning he is comfortable with the situation, afraid to speak up or doesn't want to rock the boat on account of you; possibly all three.
I know for a fact he feels the same way.
Before we were officially assigned under this Micro-manager he had told his boss at that time that he would NOT be happy if we were put under this guys leadership..
Yet, here we are and he knows how I feel but, as you said, doesn't want to rock the boat..

Well, I guess we shall see how that works out come Monday :whistle:

 

Hawks64

Footballguy
See how it goes; meaning he is comfortable with the situation, afraid to speak up or doesn't want to rock the boat on account of you; possibly all three.
I know for a fact he feels the same way.
Before we were officially assigned under this Micro-manager he had told his boss at that time that he would NOT be happy if we were put under this guys leadership..
Yet, here we are and he knows how I feel but, as you said, doesn't want to rock the boat..

Well, I guess we shall see how that works out come Monday :whistle:
How goes the new gig?
 

fightingillini

Footballguy
Offer accepted.. As starting date isn't until July 11th, going to wait on putting in my notice until Friday.

Good news ......I found out the Micro-Manager is going to be on vacation next week, and possibly some of the following week.

So if all works out well I will only have to deal with him for half a week before :bye:
Will you not give your current company an opportunity to counter offer?
I would never do that. Once I have made my mind that I want out.....I leave. The counteroffer is always a bandaid, and once you have shown that you can walk out the door, management will look at you if they need to lay off people. It doesn't change your work situation. I have heard stories where counteroffers worked out, but most of the time it's better to just leave and move on.
 

Keerock

Caveman
Offer accepted.. As starting date isn't until July 11th, going to wait on putting in my notice until Friday.

Good news ......I found out the Micro-Manager is going to be on vacation next week, and possibly some of the following week.

So if all works out well I will only have to deal with him for half a week before :bye:
Will you not give your current company an opportunity to counter offer?
I would never do that. Once I have made my mind that I want out.....I leave. The counteroffer is always a bandaid, and once you have shown that you can walk out the door, management will look at you if they need to lay off people. It doesn't change your work situation. I have heard stories where counteroffers worked out, but most of the time it's better to just leave and move on.
Yep, and as an employer/manager, I have a strict "don't negotiate with terrorists" policy. My bad if I didn't do what was needed to keep you on board, but know that if you are worth it, I tried, and you're better off moving on if the company won't help.
 

El Floppo

Footballguy
Yeah, this one is easy.

IMO, don't burn your bridges or anything, just let them know that with the merger you recognize that you haven't been able to align with some of the new management and figure they should have someone different in the role.

Once you do you're pot committed to the move though IMO.
this.

you've already spoken to your manager- I suppose you could always have another talk to further express this "lack of alignment" with the other management guy, and to be able to put a pretty bow on why you're accepting this new position after you've accepted it.

my boat- after a long, very strange recruitment period where I haven't been able to leave my current consulting gig due to an ever delayed timeline outside of my control, I'm finally starting as an employee again at a new spot after the 4th.

I wish I was feeling more jumpy&quo about it.

this has been a sadly wrong fit- the work is same ball park, but with DH. 3 months in, and I feel like I'm not doing what I've been doing for 20+ years... so I'm not getting to work to my strengths at all. feels crappy, and I know I'm not doing a great job either.
 

El Floppo

Footballguy
and the only time I had a counter offer from my at-the-time current employer- it worked out great. I was only leaving because a previous employer wanted me back and was willing to pay a lot more. my at the time employer- who I loved- didn't want me to leave when I gave notice, and matched the offer. it hadn't occured to me that that was even an option. architecture stinks.
 

snogger

Footballguy
See how it goes; meaning he is comfortable with the situation, afraid to speak up or doesn't want to rock the boat on account of you; possibly all three.
I know for a fact he feels the same way.
Before we were officially assigned under this Micro-manager he had told his boss at that time that he would NOT be happy if we were put under this guys leadership..
Yet, here we are and he knows how I feel but, as you said, doesn't want to rock the boat..

Well, I guess we shall see how that works out come Monday :whistle:
How goes the new gig?
Thanks for asking.. Things are going GREAT here.
Went from a micro-micro manager to a manager who checks in once a week to see how things are going and if I need anything, otherwise leaves us in full control of the Power Platform.
If we want to make changes, he trusts what we say and pushes upper management to get it done if needed.

Finding working with the rest of company is great as well..
Been here just over 90 days and they've already let me take 2 weeks of vacation.. paid :-)
Also, the training department is helping me setup 2 weeks of training to present to the company on what the Power Platform can do for them..
All in all, VERY happy with the move!
 

Hastur

Footballguy
I 'lived' in management cubeville/corporate America for 15 years. Soul crushing. I quit the lifestyle and now wait tables at a local pizzeria. I love the job, my boss is funny as !$#% and we get along great.

I make 50% of what I did. I don't care. My wife has a great career with a large corp. She is happy there. She also doesn't care. She is happy that I am happy.

Here is my take: Corporate America doesn't care a whit about you. They only care about the happiness of the shareholders. The corporate mission statement includes such platitudes as "We are a team" and "Everyone should think of themselves as an owner". I have no way of describing the absolute desolation of commanding a work week of 70 hours, a hiring/firing HR department in line with a team of lawyers and nothing to do with common sense and/or a sense of fair play, and to hell with attending your childs musical/sports/club/hobby.

This is part of the capitalistic America they don't tell you about.

Corporate America is where the money is. It is also the path of ignoring your kids, your spouse, and your soul.

ETA: Yes, my wife works in an environment I seem to be discrediting. I have no excuse. lol I am very lucky. My wife can work for the corporate overlords while I say how bad they are.
 

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