Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

[32 Counter Pass]

My money is on Goddell suspending Hernandez permanently, even if he gets off.

Protect the shield.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Any rationale person who watched the arraignment and listened to the mountains of evidence find it hard to believe that he doesn't serve at least 15-20... If by some miracle they pin the murder on Ortiz, Hernandez is still dead to rights on the other charges and the judge can easily hand him a few different sentences to run consecutively...

If he ever sees the light day, personally I think it's garbage!

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Much like Brian in one of my fav movies, I am hoping he gets off lightly with crucifixion.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

A search warrant has been released that explains why Boston police suspect Aaron Hernandez in a 2012 double homicide.

While Hernandez remains jailed without bail in a separate case, the first-degree murder of Odin Lloyd, evidence against him in a prior case is emerging. Police suspect Hernandez was in an SUV that circled a block waiting for Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado to enter their car after leaving a Boston club. The SUV then pulled up next to the victims' car and someone fired five or six shots that killed Abreu and Furtado. The evidence includes that the SUV was given to Hernandez by a rental company and was later found in the home of one of his cousins, where it had been gathering dust for a year. It's been reported that Lloyd might have had knowledge of those Boston slayings. Prosecutors in the Boston case have filed no charges yet.


Source: Hartford Courant

 

[Shutout]

My money is on Goddell suspending Hernandez permanently, even if he gets off.

Protect the shield.

I don't know how you can justify punishing a person if he is found innocent. It is also a bit counter to what we have seen from goodell. Yes, he swings a heavy hammer a lot but in instances of serious life-long impacting issues, he has a different take. Vick was guilty and served time. Goodell said the league would add nothing to that because it was important for Vick, as a human, to move on from this and etc. In short, basically said the man has had his day in court and served his time, we aren't going to pile on here. Same for Burress. For Stallworth, he was allowed back in after being suspended but I don't recall Stallwroth serving time in jail.

I doubt Hernandez ever plays in the league again. But I don't think it will be because Goodell blocks him under the league's policies. I think if Hernandez ends up spending a total of 3-4 years in jail, the NFL would say "feel free to apply and see what happens". But I don't know if a guy can be gone that long and be able to get a job with a team willing to take him on AND be able to handle the psychological baggage and stress that comes with it.

Hernandez is very polarizing if he ever gets out of jail. In a fantasy football world, he could show up at age 26-27 and have a five or 6 year "top 5" impact. But people are going to be very polarized on him and whether he should be allowed back, etc.

 

[ebsteelers]

i think its time to trade him for a late round pick in deep dynasty leagues

 

[Anarchy99]

Even if AH somehow skates on Murder One charges in the Lloyd case, they can still easily nail him on weapon charges (at a minimum). Who knows if they will bring other charges in the single murder case. On top of that, they may charge him in the double homicide as well. The first case seems to have been bogged down, and who knows how long it will take to go to trial and have a verdict. That could be a year or more from now. I think it would be very unlikely that AH is not convicted of anything and serves no time post trial(s). We also don't know what else is coming down the pike. The prosecution could just be waiting to see how things go in the first case and then immediately arrest him and start the clock on the second case at the end of the first case. Maybe it will turn out that it could be in his best interest to plea bargain and admit to a lesser charge and agree to serve less time than if he got convicted. I am not saying that that is a likely outcome, but the investigations are still ongoing.

 

[KellysHeroes]

My money is on Goddell suspending Hernandez permanently, even if he gets off.

Protect the shield.

I don't know how you can justify punishing a person if he is found innocent. It is also a bit counter to what we have seen from goodell. Yes, he swings a heavy hammer a lot but in instances of serious life-long impacting issues, he has a different take. Vick was guilty and served time. Goodell said the league would add nothing to that because it was important for Vick, as a human, to move on from this and etc. In short, basically said the man has had his day in court and served his time, we aren't going to pile on here. Same for Burress. For Stallworth, he was allowed back in after being suspended but I don't recall Stallwroth serving time in jail.

I doubt Hernandez ever plays in the league again. But I don't think it will be because Goodell blocks him under the league's policies. I think if Hernandez ends up spending a total of 3-4 years in jail, the NFL would say "feel free to apply and see what happens". But I don't know if a guy can be gone that long and be able to get a job with a team willing to take him on AND be able to handle the psychological baggage and stress that comes with it.

Hernandez is very polarizing if he ever gets out of jail. In a fantasy football world, he could show up at age 26-27 and have a five or 6 year "top 5" impact. But people are going to be very polarized on him and whether he should be allowed back, etc.

Big Ben wasn't even charged and he got suspended. Goodell won't allow AH to ever return, the union is useless in the NFL.

 

[Shutout]

My money is on Goddell suspending Hernandez permanently, even if he gets off.

Protect the shield.

I don't know how you can justify punishing a person if he is found innocent. It is also a bit counter to what we have seen from goodell. Yes, he swings a heavy hammer a lot but in instances of serious life-long impacting issues, he has a different take. Vick was guilty and served time. Goodell said the league would add nothing to that because it was important for Vick, as a human, to move on from this and etc. In short, basically said the man has had his day in court and served his time, we aren't going to pile on here. Same for Burress. For Stallworth, he was allowed back in after being suspended but I don't recall Stallwroth serving time in jail.

I doubt Hernandez ever plays in the league again. But I don't think it will be because Goodell blocks him under the league's policies. I think if Hernandez ends up spending a total of 3-4 years in jail, the NFL would say "feel free to apply and see what happens". But I don't know if a guy can be gone that long and be able to get a job with a team willing to take him on AND be able to handle the psychological baggage and stress that comes with it.

Hernandez is very polarizing if he ever gets out of jail. In a fantasy football world, he could show up at age 26-27 and have a five or 6 year "top 5" impact. But people are going to be very polarized on him and whether he should be allowed back, etc.

Big Ben wasn't even charged and he got suspended. Goodell won't allow AH to ever return, the union is useless in the NFL.

That's kind of what I'm talking about. yes, he slams people sometimes, like Ben or Harrison or some guys that do things. But in the cases where it's been about more than drinking, dirty hits, etc, and it's been more about "these are things that derail people's lives," he has actually kind of been the guy that steps in and has said "Mike Vick did a really bad thing. And he served jail time...lets let him move on because, without proper supports, this is a person's life going down the crapper."

Big Ben was really the gray line case in this because, just in my opinion, his situation falls more in the Mike Vick/Stallworth/Burress camp than it does some random player getting popped for PEs or something. Again, my opinion, but I thought that was one that should have not come down like it did until other info played out. But it did and maybe that's one of those cases where Goodell might not make the same call next time after having the experience he does now.

I just don't think we can neatly put all the decisions in a black and white binder and know how each individual case will be ruled as its own circumstances are weighed out but, in general, it seems like Goodell really puts some thought in to the man and not just the player. It seems like when it's a clear player screw up (you cheated, you hit a guy dirty, etc), then, yeah, he has no problem. But when its something where Goodell migh look at it and say "this young man needs supports, people in his life, structure, etc AND he has already paid his debt to society, then he tends to say "Ok, debt paid. Come apply."

 

[Coeur de Lion]

My money is on Goddell suspending Hernandez permanently, even if he gets off.

Protect the shield.

I don't know how you can justify punishing a person if he is found innocent. It is also a bit counter to what we have seen from goodell. Yes, he swings a heavy hammer a lot but in instances of serious life-long impacting issues, he has a different take. Vick was guilty and served time. Goodell said the league would add nothing to that because it was important for Vick, as a human, to move on from this and etc. In short, basically said the man has had his day in court and served his time, we aren't going to pile on here. Same for Burress. For Stallworth, he was allowed back in after being suspended but I don't recall Stallwroth serving time in jail.I doubt Hernandez ever plays in the league again. But I don't think it will be because Goodell blocks him under the league's policies. I think if Hernandez ends up spending a total of 3-4 years in jail, the NFL would say "feel free to apply and see what happens". But I don't know if a guy can be gone that long and be able to get a job with a team willing to take him on AND be able to handle the psychological baggage and stress that comes with it.

Hernandez is very polarizing if he ever gets out of jail. In a fantasy football world, he could show up at age 26-27 and have a five or 6 year "top 5" impact. But people are going to be very polarized on him and whether he should be allowed back, etc.

Big Ben wasn't even charged and he got suspended. Goodell won't allow AH to ever return, the union is useless in the NFL.

Four games =/= banned for life. Probably doesn't matter, though, as Hernandez looks like he's going away for a loooong time.

 

[Sarnoff]

i think its time to trade him for a late round pick in deep dynasty leagues

I'd take that trade. I'm looking to get AH on as many deep rosters as possible. Practically getting him for nothing, but the ceiling is higher than anyone else you can pick up at that level. Almost pure profit opportunity.

 

[Sarnoff]

Rotoworld:

A search warrant has been released that explains why Boston police suspect Aaron Hernandez in a 2012 double homicide.

While Hernandez remains jailed without bail in a separate case, the first-degree murder of Odin Lloyd, evidence against him in a prior case is emerging. Police suspect Hernandez was in an SUV that circled a block waiting for Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado to enter their car after leaving a Boston club. The SUV then pulled up next to the victims' car and someone fired five or six shots that killed Abreu and Furtado. The evidence includes that the SUV was given to Hernandez by a rental company and was later found in the home of one of his cousins, where it had been gathering dust for a year. It's been reported that Lloyd might have had knowledge of those Boston slayings. Prosecutors in the Boston case have filed no charges yet.


Source: Hartford Courant

So a rental car, driven by hundreds of people, is found in the possession of someone other than Aaron Hernandez, so, police guess he was in on it. Did they find another incriminating bubble-gum wrapper in it or something?

It's getting increasingly more difficult to point to AH as "definitely" the shooter in any of these alleged misdeeds.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Rotoworld:

A search warrant has been released that explains why Boston police suspect Aaron Hernandez in a 2012 double homicide.

While Hernandez remains jailed without bail in a separate case, the first-degree murder of Odin Lloyd, evidence against him in a prior case is emerging. Police suspect Hernandez was in an SUV that circled a block waiting for Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado to enter their car after leaving a Boston club. The SUV then pulled up next to the victims' car and someone fired five or six shots that killed Abreu and Furtado. The evidence includes that the SUV was given to Hernandez by a rental company and was later found in the home of one of his cousins, where it had been gathering dust for a year. It's been reported that Lloyd might have had knowledge of those Boston slayings. Prosecutors in the Boston case have filed no charges yet.


Source: Hartford Courant

So a rental car, driven by hundreds of people, is found in the possession of someone other than Aaron Hernandez, so, police guess he was in on it. Did they find another incriminating bubble-gum wrapper in it or something?

It's getting increasingly more difficult to point to AH as "definitely" the shooter in any of these alleged misdeeds.

And of course we know that everyone just parks the rental car they have for a year. Naturally.

-QG

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't know how you can justify punishing a person if he is found innocent.

There's no such thing as being found innocent.

If Hernandez is acquitted of all charges in both murder cases, it will not be because he was found innocent. It will be because he was found not guilty -- i.e., there wasn't enough legally admissible evidence of his guilt, in the jurors' opinion, to remove all reasonable doubt.

But it's quite likely that, as in the O.J. case, pretty much everyone would still know that he's guilty.

The standard for a league suspension is not the same as the standard for a criminal conviction. If everyone knows that Hernandez killed multiple people, I suspect that Goodell would suspend him even if, like O.J., Hernandez is somehow acquitted.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Talking about the possibility of Gooddell suspending Hernandez is a waste of bandwidth.

 

[Bob Magaw]

What is the max time on the gun charges if they throw the book at him (and it sounds like theses charges aren't in as much dispute - not that the murder charge/s will be either, IMO)?

Is it possible he might be sentenced to serving them consecutively instead of concurrently?

I thought I heard he could be looking at between 5-10 years just on the gun charges, which would pretty much render any serious NFL return hopes moot.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@ProFootballTalk: Warrant suggests Aaron Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd to cover up double murder from July 2012 http://t.co/6554gJpH7Z

 

[Bob Magaw]

@ProFootballTalk: Warrant suggests Aaron Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd to cover up double murder from July 2012 http://t.co/6554gJpH7Z

As noted in the article, if this is the scenario, it could become a federal capital murder case with a potential death penalty charge.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's over for him, he's never gonna see the light of day again. Death penalty, he'll be lucky to strike a plea bargain at some point if at all for a life sentence. I thought they were losing this case as it has been taking forever but they are mounting an even bigger blow to him.

 

[cobalt_27]

i think its time to trade him for a late round pick in deep dynasty leagues

I'd take that trade. I'm looking to get AH on as many deep rosters as possible. Practically getting him for nothing, but the ceiling is higher than anyone else you can pick up at that level. Almost pure profit opportunity.

Key word here is "almost." Leaving aside your shtick of LHUCKSian grandeur, the likelihood that AH plays again is virtually zero. But, since it's a non-zero number, perhaps it is more accurate to say there is a "minuscule" profit opportunity and a "virtually certain" loss opportunity in springing a trade for AH.You've been fun to follow here. Keep up the shtick. Guppies are everywhere this time of the year.

 

[ghostguy123]

I think if all the people AH "allegedly" killed just all showed up ALIVE tomorrow, and said the whole thing was just a joke, Goodell would never let AH into the league again.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Rotoworld:

A search warrant has been released that explains why Boston police suspect Aaron Hernandez in a 2012 double homicide.

While Hernandez remains jailed without bail in a separate case, the first-degree murder of Odin Lloyd, evidence against him in a prior case is emerging. Police suspect Hernandez was in an SUV that circled a block waiting for Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado to enter their car after leaving a Boston club. The SUV then pulled up next to the victims' car and someone fired five or six shots that killed Abreu and Furtado. The evidence includes that the SUV was given to Hernandez by a rental company and was later found in the home of one of his cousins, where it had been gathering dust for a year. It's been reported that Lloyd might have had knowledge of those Boston slayings. Prosecutors in the Boston case have filed no charges yet.

Source: Hartford Courant

So a rental car, driven by hundreds of people, is found in the possession of someone other than Aaron Hernandez, so, police guess he was in on it. Did they find another incriminating bubble-gum wrapper in it or something?

It's getting increasingly more difficult to point to AH as "definitely" the shooter in any of these alleged misdeeds.

Was it driven by hundreds of people between when the alleged murders took place and the time it was gathering dust for a year (doesn't sound like it)? Isn't that the more important question? Isn't the operative phrase "gathering dust" in itself suggestive, that it wasn't in the possession of hundreds of drivers and in daily use? Depending on how recently it was obtained before the date of the murders, and how little it was used since, the odometer could provide a clue about usage (unless you think they put it on top of a flat bed truck and had hundreds of people cruise around in it that way, that could be a likely scenario)?While these matters could bear on what physical evidence may have been found in the the vehicle, if any, and what state it is in, seemingly a bigger issue is not what happened to the vehicle in the interim, but if they can place him in that vehicle, at that time, at the scene of the crime. Not sure if that is the case (security cameras with license plates identification, eye witness accounts at the club that night, and at the site of the shooting, etc.)?

Saying it was found in the possession of somebody other than Aaron Hernandez is one way to put it. Another would be to just quote the article, the home of one of his cousins. It's not like it just turned up randomly in the possession of one of six billion other people on the planet, like on some Mongolian nomad's steppe, or in the New Guinea jungle with some headhunter tribe. You seem to be minimizing the linkage and deemphasizing the likely connection in an extreme manner.

 

[Hoss Style]

Also, when reading other articles about it, that silver SUV was seen on video arriving at the club where the two victims were at, Hernandez and his buddy got out and went in, and then they departed around 10 minutes later. Then an exact same SUV is seen circling the block repeatedly (via surveillance) until the victims left, and then it was involved in the shooting. It could have been a different SUV, but what are the chances?

Then, the next time it was seen was on Hernandez's property. So it's not like they just know he rented it and then it turns up in his garage. There's a lot of video evidence in between that isn't in the blurb Faust posted.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so has NE paid him yet?

 

[Faust]

Aaron Hernandez not allowed to watch AFC Championship Game

 

[PatsWillWin]

He's allowed to listen to a radio for one hour per day. So he may be able to listen to the end of the game (if he cares).

 

[Fariq]

Rotoworld:

A search warrant has been released that explains why Boston police suspect Aaron Hernandez in a 2012 double homicide.

While Hernandez remains jailed without bail in a separate case, the first-degree murder of Odin Lloyd, evidence against him in a prior case is emerging. Police suspect Hernandez was in an SUV that circled a block waiting for Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado to enter their car after leaving a Boston club. The SUV then pulled up next to the victims' car and someone fired five or six shots that killed Abreu and Furtado. The evidence includes that the SUV was given to Hernandez by a rental company and was later found in the home of one of his cousins, where it had been gathering dust for a year. It's been reported that Lloyd might have had knowledge of those Boston slayings. Prosecutors in the Boston case have filed no charges yet.

Source: Hartford Courant

So a rental car, driven by hundreds of people, is found in the possession of someone other than Aaron Hernandez, so, police guess he was in on it. Did they find another incriminating bubble-gum wrapper in it or something?

It's getting increasingly more difficult to point to AH as "definitely" the shooter in any of these alleged misdeeds.

Lol at "alleged misdeeds."Loyd and the other two guys were accidentally killed. Is that what you are saying?

 

[Bob Magaw]

People just tend to end up dead when Hernandez is around, must be a coincidence.

Wonder how many bodies would need to be stacked up for Sarnoff to concede it might not be a coincidence - 10, 20, 30?

 

[fantasycurse42]

People just tend to end up dead when Hernandez is around, must be a coincidence.

Wonder how many bodies would need to be stacked up for Sarnoff to concede it might not be a coincidence - 10, 20, 30?

He's just

 

[False Start]

People just tend to end up dead when Hernandez is around, must be a coincidence.

Wonder how many bodies would need to be stacked up for Sarnoff to concede it might not be a coincidence - 10, 20, 30?

The legend of the Hurricane, remember that? Everyone thought he did it too, because the COPS said so. I want to see what happens in court when evidence really surfaces. Jurys can be odd. Cops do lie all the time so its hard to know what's real and what's a ploy. It sure does not look good for Hernandez obviously, but if O.J. can get off so can Hernandez. I am sure that has been said a lot in this thread. Doesn't it bother anyone that a person accused of something can sit in jail for seven months without having a chance to prove his innocence? I'm not saying he didn't do it, just what if?

 

[Bob Magaw]

People just tend to end up dead when Hernandez is around, must be a coincidence.

Wonder how many bodies would need to be stacked up for Sarnoff to concede it might not be a coincidence - 10, 20, 30?

The legend of the Hurricane, remember that? Everyone thought he did it too, because the COPS said so. I want to see what happens in court when evidence really surfaces. Jurys can be odd. Cops do lie all the time so its hard to know what's real and what's a ploy. It sure does not look good for Hernandez obviously, but if O.J. can get off so can Hernandez. I am sure that has been said a lot in this thread. Doesn't it bother anyone that a person accused of something can sit in jail for seven months without having a chance to prove his innocence? I'm not saying he didn't do it, just what if?

No, not sure what you are referring to. There is video of the car being by the murder site a few blocks away. Do you think they were having a camp fire and things got out of hand (maybe dropped a gun and it accidentally discharged several times into his torso)? What do you think happened? The prosecution bungled the O.J case horrifically, so yes, if that happens here, anything is possible. BTW, key missing evidence in the O.J. trial were the Bruno Magli shoes identified by an FBI forensics specialist. He denied having them. After the trial and verdict, photos surfaced with him wearing them.

There are times when people are falsely imprisoned. Hitchcock did a movie based on a true story (The Wrong Man). The Errol Morris documentary The Thin Blue Line was brilliant and a described a man falsely accused and very nearly being executed. There is a thread in the FFA (governor Rick Perry needs to answer for this?) about a Texas man that was probably wrongly executed over a botched, incompetent arson investigation. It has happened. But I don't think this is such a case. Also, he likely murdered somebody who was a witness or could have testified about two other murders. Not an ideal bail candidate.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

OJ didn't commit the murders, his son did

 

[False Start]

People just tend to end up dead when Hernandez is around, must be a coincidence.

Wonder how many bodies would need to be stacked up for Sarnoff to concede it might not be a coincidence - 10, 20, 30?

The legend of the Hurricane, remember that? Everyone thought he did it too, because the COPS said so. I want to see what happens in court when evidence really surfaces. Jurys can be odd. Cops do lie all the time so its hard to know what's real and what's a ploy. It sure does not look good for Hernandez obviously, but if O.J. can get off so can Hernandez. I am sure that has been said a lot in this thread. Doesn't it bother anyone that a person accused of something can sit in jail for seven months without having a chance to prove his innocence? I'm not saying he didn't do it, just what if?

No, not sure what you are referring to. There is video of the car being by the murder site a few blocks away. Do you think they were having a camp fire and things got out of hand (maybe dropped a gun and it accidentally discharged several times into his torso)? What do you think happened? The prosecution bungled the O.J case horrifically, so yes, if that happens here, anything is possible. BTW, key missing evidence in the O.J. trial were the Bruno Magli shoes identified by an FBI forensics specialist. He denied having them. After the trial and verdict, photos surfaced with him wearing them.

There are times when people are falsely imprisoned. Hitchcock did a movie based on a true story (The Wrong Man). The Errol Morris documentary The Thin Blue Line was brilliant and a described a man falsely accused and very nearly being executed. There is a thread in the FFA (governor Rick Perry needs to answer for this?) about a Texas man that was probably wrongly executed over a botched, incompetent arson investigation. It has happened. But I don't think this is such a case. Also, he likely murdered somebody who was a witness or could have testified about two other murders. Not an ideal bail candidate.

Didn't you ever see the movie, read the book or even hear the song by Bob Dylan?

 

[identikit]

The Legend of the Hurricane:

http://members.shaw.ca/cartermyths/

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/28/movies/separating-truth-from-fiction-in-the-hurricane.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

 

[Bob Magaw]

People just tend to end up dead when Hernandez is around, must be a coincidence.

Wonder how many bodies would need to be stacked up for Sarnoff to concede it might not be a coincidence - 10, 20, 30?

The legend of the Hurricane, remember that? Everyone thought he did it too, because the COPS said so. I want to see what happens in court when evidence really surfaces. Jurys can be odd. Cops do lie all the time so its hard to know what's real and what's a ploy. It sure does not look good for Hernandez obviously, but if O.J. can get off so can Hernandez. I am sure that has been said a lot in this thread. Doesn't it bother anyone that a person accused of something can sit in jail for seven months without having a chance to prove his innocence? I'm not saying he didn't do it, just what if?

No, not sure what you are referring to. There is video of the car being by the murder site a few blocks away. Do you think they were having a camp fire and things got out of hand (maybe dropped a gun and it accidentally discharged several times into his torso)? What do you think happened? The prosecution bungled the O.J case horrifically, so yes, if that happens here, anything is possible. BTW, key missing evidence in the O.J. trial were the Bruno Magli shoes identified by an FBI forensics specialist. He denied having them. After the trial and verdict, photos surfaced with him wearing them.There are times when people are falsely imprisoned. Hitchcock did a movie based on a true story (The Wrong Man). The Errol Morris documentary The Thin Blue Line was brilliant and a described a man falsely accused and very nearly being executed. There is a thread in the FFA (governor Rick Perry needs to answer for this?) about a Texas man that was probably wrongly executed over a botched, incompetent arson investigation. It has happened. But I don't think this is such a case. Also, he likely murdered somebody who was a witness or could have testified about two other murders. Not an ideal bail candidate.

Didn't you ever see the movie, read the book or even hear the song by Bob Dylan?

I haven't read the links at this time, but cited multiple examples of probable wrongful imprisonment (and in one case, even execution), so I get that it happens sometimes.

What do you think happened? Does the fact that he may have murdered Odin Lloyd to silence a potential witness of an earlier double homicide, and may have killed three people, make him a poor candidate for bail?

 

[False Start]

The Legend of the Hurricane:

http://members.shaw.ca/cartermyths/

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/28/movies/separating-truth-from-fiction-in-the-hurricane.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Looks like you have an agenda. A link of myths and comments from people who obviously dislike him? That couldn't get more full of opinion, but that is your right. The fact is and my point is he was wrongfully imprisoned, if he wasn't, he wouldn't of been granted release by a judge. While the movie or song may be a little exaggerated for dramatic effect, he was imprisoned and released because the evidence supported his claims of innocence. People have axes to grind and there will always be people who think someone is guilty regardless.

 

[identikit]

The Legend of the Hurricane:

http://members.shaw.ca/cartermyths/

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/28/movies/separating-truth-from-fiction-in-the-hurricane.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Looks like you have an agenda. A link of myths and comments from people who obviously dislike him? That couldn't get more full of opinion, but that is your right. The fact is and my point is he was wrongfully imprisoned, if he wasn't, he wouldn't of been granted release by a judge. While the movie or song may be a little exaggerated for dramatic effect, he was imprisoned and released because the evidence supported his claims of innocence. People have axes to grind and there will always be people who think someone is guilty regardless.

No agenda, other than to illustrate that there are other opinions besides yours and even some facts too.

 

[Sarnoff]

People just tend to end up dead when Hernandez is around, must be a coincidence.

Wonder how many bodies would need to be stacked up for Sarnoff to concede it might not be a coincidence - 10, 20, 30?

The legend of the Hurricane, remember that? Everyone thought he did it too, because the COPS said so. I want to see what happens in court when evidence really surfaces. Jurys can be odd. Cops do lie all the time so its hard to know what's real and what's a ploy. It sure does not look good for Hernandez obviously, but if O.J. can get off so can Hernandez. I am sure that has been said a lot in this thread. Doesn't it bother anyone that a person accused of something can sit in jail for seven months without having a chance to prove his innocence? I'm not saying he didn't do it, just what if?

No, not sure what you are referring to. There is video of the car being by the murder site a few blocks away. Do you think they were having a camp fire and things got out of hand (maybe dropped a gun and it accidentally discharged several times into his torso)? What do you think happened? The prosecution bungled the O.J case horrifically, so yes, if that happens here, anything is possible. BTW, key missing evidence in the O.J. trial were the Bruno Magli shoes identified by an FBI forensics specialist. He denied having them. After the trial and verdict, photos surfaced with him wearing them.

There are times when people are falsely imprisoned. Hitchcock did a movie based on a true story (The Wrong Man). The Errol Morris documentary The Thin Blue Line was brilliant and a described a man falsely accused and very nearly being executed. There is a thread in the FFA (governor Rick Perry needs to answer for this?) about a Texas man that was probably wrongly executed over a botched, incompetent arson investigation. It has happened. But I don't think this is such a case. Also, he likely murdered somebody who was a witness or could have testified about two other murders. Not an ideal bail candidate.

I think AH got four of his friends together to "put a scare" into Lloyd. I think the driver of the car figured it'd be a bit scarier to take him to an abandoned lot. I think one of the five guys had a gun. I think one of them shot Lloyd. I don't know, at all, what part AH played in it past getting Lloyd into the car.

It's completely believable to me that one of AH's friends decided that his street cred needed a bigger gangsta image. So he pulled out a gun. Maybe AH tried to stop him, to talk him down, but it all happened too fast. Lloyd could have been dead before AH knew what was going on. Did we ever find GSR on AH? Is there any evidence he pulled the trigger?

Six men walked into an abandoned lot. Five walked out. We don't know what happened in the interim. With four other equally viable suspects I don't see anything "beyond a reasonable doubt" that AH, himself, personally, pulled the trigger that fired the fatal shot.

 

[Sarnoff]

I think the cops and the DA saw the biggest target was AH and focused with laser-like intensity solely on him. To the point that the other, equally viable suspects are now being given immunity if they point the finger at AH. But why should I believe them? If one of the other guys actually, really, pulled the trigger over AH's objections, and the DA comes to him and says "Full immunity for your testimony, we want AH nailed to the wall," of course he's going to lie and point that finger. So will the other three guys there. No reason to believe any of their testimony "beyond a reasonable doubt", because that scenario is 100% reasonable.

 

[Mario Kart]

I wonder if Hernandez is sharing this moment with his boyfriend in a joyous manner or a sorrowful manner.

 

[General Tso]

Hard to believe he's in a prison where he can't watch tv at all. I've never heard of that. Especially given that he hasn't been convicted of anything.

 

[False Start]

I think the cops and the DA saw the biggest target was AH and focused with laser-like intensity solely on him. To the point that the other, equally viable suspects are now being given immunity if they point the finger at AH. But why should I believe them? If one of the other guys actually, really, pulled the trigger over AH's objections, and the DA comes to him and says "Full immunity for your testimony, we want AH nailed to the wall," of course he's going to lie and point that finger. So will the other three guys there. No reason to believe any of their testimony "beyond a reasonable doubt", because that scenario is 100% reasonable.

A few good points to reasonable doubt and he is still in jail as if he was already convicted. Could he have done it? Sure. But could he be innocent? Sure. Thats why having him rot in jail while the state builds a case is pretty upsetting as a citizen where the same thing can happen to anyone of us innocent people. What if he is innocent, the state just took his career from him? The point is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. If there is proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that he pulled the trigger and killed a man, he should not just be jailed but he should require the same treatment he put on to others. Death.

 

[Sarnoff]

I think the cops and the DA saw the biggest target was AH and focused with laser-like intensity solely on him. To the point that the other, equally viable suspects are now being given immunity if they point the finger at AH. But why should I believe them? If one of the other guys actually, really, pulled the trigger over AH's objections, and the DA comes to him and says "Full immunity for your testimony, we want AH nailed to the wall," of course he's going to lie and point that finger. So will the other three guys there. No reason to believe any of their testimony "beyond a reasonable doubt", because that scenario is 100% reasonable.

A few good points to reasonable doubt and he is still in jail as if he was already convicted. Could he have done it? Sure. But could he be innocent? Sure. Thats why having him rot in jail while the state builds a case is pretty upsetting as a citizen where the same thing can happen to anyone of us innocent people. What if he is innocent, the state just took his career from him? The point is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. If there is proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that he pulled the trigger and killed a man, he should not just be jailed but he should require the same treatment he put on to others. Death.

Exactly. What's the delay here for the cops? What evidence is there, really, that points alone to AH and not to the other guys in that car with him? Why hasn't a trial date been set yet? How long can you let a man rot before you have to drag him in front of a jury?

Seems most people just let the gov't do whatever it wants and never question anymore. Brave new world, indeed.

 

[RCon]

I think the cops and the DA saw the biggest target was AH and focused with laser-like intensity solely on him. To the point that the other, equally viable suspects are now being given immunity if they point the finger at AH. But why should I believe them? If one of the other guys actually, really, pulled the trigger over AH's objections, and the DA comes to him and says "Full immunity for your testimony, we want AH nailed to the wall," of course he's going to lie and point that finger. So will the other three guys there. No reason to believe any of their testimony "beyond a reasonable doubt", because that scenario is 100% reasonable.

A few good points to reasonable doubt and he is still in jail as if he was already convicted. Could he have done it? Sure. But could he be innocent? Sure. Thats why having him rot in jail while the state builds a case is pretty upsetting as a citizen where the same thing can happen to anyone of us innocent people. What if he is innocent, the state just took his career from him? The point is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. If there is proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that he pulled the trigger and killed a man, he should not just be jailed but he should require the same treatment he put on to others. Death.

Exactly. What's the delay here for the cops? What evidence is there, really, that points alone to AH and not to the other guys in that car with him? Why hasn't a trial date been set yet? How long can you let a man rot before you have to drag him in front of a jury?

Seems most people just let the gov't do whatever it wants and never question anymore. Brave new world, indeed.

Pretty sure most defendants have the right to a speedy trial and most waive that right, in an effort for their own attorneys to build a better defense.

 

[Shanahanigans]

People just tend to end up dead when Hernandez is around, must be a coincidence.

Wonder how many bodies would need to be stacked up for Sarnoff to concede it might not be a coincidence - 10, 20, 30?

The legend of the Hurricane, remember that? Everyone thought he did it too, because the COPS said so. I want to see what happens in court when evidence really surfaces. Jurys can be odd. Cops do lie all the time so its hard to know what's real and what's a ploy. It sure does not look good for Hernandez obviously, but if O.J. can get off so can Hernandez. I am sure that has been said a lot in this thread. Doesn't it bother anyone that a person accused of something can sit in jail for seven months without having a chance to prove his innocence? I'm not saying he didn't do it, just what if?

No, not sure what you are referring to. There is video of the car being by the murder site a few blocks away. Do you think they were having a camp fire and things got out of hand (maybe dropped a gun and it accidentally discharged several times into his torso)? What do you think happened? The prosecution bungled the O.J case horrifically, so yes, if that happens here, anything is possible. BTW, key missing evidence in the O.J. trial were the Bruno Magli shoes identified by an FBI forensics specialist. He denied having them. After the trial and verdict, photos surfaced with him wearing them.

There are times when people are falsely imprisoned. Hitchcock did a movie based on a true story (The Wrong Man). The Errol Morris documentary The Thin Blue Line was brilliant and a described a man falsely accused and very nearly being executed. There is a thread in the FFA (governor Rick Perry needs to answer for this?) about a Texas man that was probably wrongly executed over a botched, incompetent arson investigation. It has happened. But I don't think this is such a case. Also, he likely murdered somebody who was a witness or could have testified about two other murders. Not an ideal bail candidate.

I think AH got four of his friends together to "put a scare" into Lloyd. I think the driver of the car figured it'd be a bit scarier to take him to an abandoned lot. I think one of the five guys had a gun. I think one of them shot Lloyd. I don't know, at all, what part AH played in it past getting Lloyd into the car.

It's completely believable to me that one of AH's friends decided that his street cred needed a bigger gangsta image. So he pulled out a gun. Maybe AH tried to stop him, to talk him down, but it all happened too fast. Lloyd could have been dead before AH knew what was going on. Did we ever find GSR on AH? Is there any evidence he pulled the trigger?

Six men walked into an abandoned lot. Five walked out. We don't know what happened in the interim. With four other equally viable suspects I don't see anything "beyond a reasonable doubt" that AH, himself, personally, pulled the trigger that fired the fatal shot.

It doesn't help that Hernandez is seen on video minutes after the murder with a gun in his hand which fits the caliber used in the shooting, and the fact that he can't produce the gun now.

Also, even if your extremely unlikely scenario were true, Hernandez would be guilty of conspiracy. Beyond that, he has serious weapons charges which there is no doubt he is guilty of. I used to think Sarnoff was great shtick, but now I'm starting to think he actually believes this non-sense. Lie to yourself enough and you start to believe the lie.

 

[AB in DC]

Probably obstruction of justice, too.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I think AH got four of his friends together to "put a scare" into Lloyd.

What, out of curiosity, might they have wanted to "put a scare" into him about?

 

[Skeletore Eh]

People just tend to end up dead when Hernandez is around, must be a coincidence.

Wonder how many bodies would need to be stacked up for Sarnoff to concede it might not be a coincidence - 10, 20, 30?

The legend of the Hurricane, remember that? Everyone thought he did it too, because the COPS said so. I want to see what happens in court when evidence really surfaces. Jurys can be odd. Cops do lie all the time so its hard to know what's real and what's a ploy. It sure does not look good for Hernandez obviously, but if O.J. can get off so can Hernandez. I am sure that has been said a lot in this thread. Doesn't it bother anyone that a person accused of something can sit in jail for seven months without having a chance to prove his innocence? I'm not saying he didn't do it, just what if?

No, not sure what you are referring to. There is video of the car being by the murder site a few blocks away. Do you think they were having a camp fire and things got out of hand (maybe dropped a gun and it accidentally discharged several times into his torso)? What do you think happened? The prosecution bungled the O.J case horrifically, so yes, if that happens here, anything is possible. BTW, key missing evidence in the O.J. trial were the Bruno Magli shoes identified by an FBI forensics specialist. He denied having them. After the trial and verdict, photos surfaced with him wearing them.There are times when people are falsely imprisoned. Hitchcock did a movie based on a true story (The Wrong Man). The Errol Morris documentary The Thin Blue Line was brilliant and a described a man falsely accused and very nearly being executed. There is a thread in the FFA (governor Rick Perry needs to answer for this?) about a Texas man that was probably wrongly executed over a botched, incompetent arson investigation. It has happened. But I don't think this is such a case. Also, he likely murdered somebody who was a witness or could have testified about two other murders. Not an ideal bail candidate.

I think AH got four of his friends together to "put a scare" into Lloyd. I think the driver of the car figured it'd be a bit scarier to take him to an abandoned lot. I think one of the five guys had a gun. I think one of them shot Lloyd. I don't know, at all, what part AH played in it past getting Lloyd into the car.

It's completely believable to me that one of AH's friends decided that his street cred needed a bigger gangsta image. So he pulled out a gun. Maybe AH tried to stop him, to talk him down, but it all happened too fast. Lloyd could have been dead before AH knew what was going on. Did we ever find GSR on AH? Is there any evidence he pulled the trigger?

Six men walked into an abandoned lot. Five walked out. We don't know what happened in the interim. With four other equally viable suspects I don't see anything "beyond a reasonable doubt" that AH, himself, personally, pulled the trigger that fired the fatal shot.

It doesn't help that Hernandez is seen on video minutes after the murder with a gun in his hand which fits the caliber used in the shooting, and the fact that he can't produce the gun now.

Also, even if your extremely unlikely scenario were true, Hernandez would be guilty of conspiracy. Beyond that, he has serious weapons charges which there is no doubt he is guilty of. I used to think Sarnoff was great shtick, but now I'm starting to think he actually believes this non-sense. Lie to yourself enough and you start to believe the lie.

"Just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it" - George Costanza

 

[msommer]

As to why the multimillionaire with ties to organized crime is staying in jail while the case is being prepared: I think the term 'flight risk' is relevant...

 

[False Start]

As to why the multimillionaire with ties to organized crime is staying in jail while the case is being prepared: I think the term 'flight risk' is relevant...

Correct me if I am wrong, but is there a place where he could go where he wouldn't be recognized? I notice the law has a lot of assuming in it. I assume he did the crime so he is in jail, I assume he will run if he is out so he cannot be out on bail. So back to the question, lets assume he didn't do it since assuming is so easy, does he deserve to be locked up so the state can makes its case with no murder weapon?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/us/aaron-hernandez-investigation/

My problem with the law is this headline "Police suggest Aaron Hernandez may have pulled trigger in unsolved murders." Would the police suggest anything else for the man they have locked away with little proof and only probable cause? Not a backer of Hernandez though it might seem, I am a backer of justice and legal rights. While I want justice for the man who killed Lloyd, holding a man in prison who has yet to be convicted without a murder weapon is not justice either.