Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

I was just trying to picture what fan reaction would be if things continue as they have in the case, but somehow Hernandez is able to play.

Then looked at the schedule. First preseason game is in Philly.

It would probably sound like a Patriots home game.

Dead silent with half the people texting during plays?

Well played.

Let's be honest. Gillette ain't exactly Arrowhead.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

This is like Ray Lewis, but at least in the Lewis case, the murder resulted from a fight. It wasn't an execution like this.

I could see this being a case where they won't be able to prove who pulled the trigger of the 3 in the car, and what motive there was. That'll be tough to convict anyone of murdrer without being able to prove those two elements.

I could see him getting time for covering up things and just being there (accessory maybe?). If he was the shooter, his actions, while heinous, could have been the smartest thing to do.

I wouldn't expect to see him on the field this year, and if convicted for anything in relation to a murder, possibly a multiple year suspension or even a lifetime ban.

Manslaughter and 5-10 years is certainly possible. Put it this way, Hernandez is not likely to see a gridiron on Sunday anytime soon.

 

[Raider Nation]

Forgive me if this has been covered, as I was only able to read probably 9 of the 17 pages, but I assume the possibility has been mentioned that the guy who got killed smacked around his girlfriend, and AH made him pay since she is the sister of his girlfriend?

Or would the timeline of them being at the club and everything make that scenario unlikely?

 

[Norman Paperman]

I wonder if the police are trying to smoke him out by releasing all of the damaging info about his phone and security system. Turning the public against him is a good way to start the plea negotiations.

Right now it sounds like the cops have nothing on the murder charge, and will end up charging all three men, waiting for the first to make a deal.

 

[biju]

I would imagine all info on cell phone would still reside on the servers of his provider...so all texts, emails, etc. should still be available. If they don't have them the NSA may....

they have everything

Gotta take it for what is worth since I am some anon dude on the internet but during 2003-2007 I designed and sold technology to each of the major telco's that records every piece of data that comes in and out - from an IP standpoint. They are able to rewind that data over 45 days much like a VCR. Destroying your cell phone does nothing other than to eliminate your current GPS location.

It would destroy anything on the SD card — pictures of the body, etc.

True - but you better soak that SD card in some acid/soda or it will be completely recover-able. Additionally everything does not use an SD card.

A year or so ago I interviewed a person (looking for a job change into my domain) who did cell phone forensics. We discussed a number of variations of this basic idea and ultimately it is very eye-opening what they can recover from destroyed cell phones.

 

[HellToupee]

one could imagine Hernandez's schtick was to wave around guns in peoples faces & he's met with a Marvin from Pulp Fiction situation

 

[KCitons]

Any word on the other two guys?

 

[rockaction]

one could imagine Hernandez's schtick was to wave around guns in peoples faces & he's met with a Marvin from Pulp Fiction situation

Did he wave them around the back of their head?

 

[HellToupee]

one could imagine Hernandez's schtick was to wave around guns in peoples faces & he's met with a Marvin from Pulp Fiction situation

Did he wave them around the back of their head?

perhaps it was a case of anxiety

 

[rockaction]

I am just trying to picture who the Aaron Hernandez apologist will be similiar to the idiots who thought OJ was innocent. Bunch of bro dogs in Big Papi jerseys like the ones in that HOPPER commerical that is so annoying

Or this

 

[identikit]

What's weird is that he doesn't look like a thug.

Can't tell if you're serious or not.

Dude is covered in tats.

I never realized he was such a thug, but now it makes more sense why he fell in the draft. I'm sure teams that looked into his character realized he wasn't exactly a model citizen.

 

[Raider Nation]

Where is Al Cowlings when you need him.

Completely off topic, but Cowlings and O.J. were teammates in high school, in junior college, at USC, and with two NFL teams.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that's never happened before.

 

[KCitons]

Where is Al Cowlings when you need him.

Completely off topic, but Cowlings and O.J. were teammates in high school, in junior college, at USC, and with two NFL teams.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that's never happened before.

BFF = Bronco Friends Forever

 

[Bob Magaw]

a few unknowns (as far as i know, this is becoming a long thread - and going to get a lot longer)...

the other two people (besides AH and deceased) that went to bar and returned home in same car...

(do they have record, violent priors, gang affiliations, etc - this has been alluded to a lot as to why some front offices lowered his grade or took him entirely off their boards, but haven't heard anything in the context of his associates in this incident)

forensic tests could determine if a gun was discharged by somebody recently... not sure how quickly they need to be done for best results, or if they can be thwarted (wearing full body plastic suit?)... or if these tests have been done... i'm guessing a lawyer doesn't have to be present for these? because this is an ongoing investigation, there are likely details known by law enforcement but not public yet... though there have been periodic leaks...

two people (the same as in question above?) reportedly tried to leave when police arrived (suddenly remembered they had square dance lessons?) and were detained... so police probably already had chance to separate them to detect any inconsistencies or signs of fabricated story. i'm guessing they would have been forensically tested? if any of the three tested positive for recent gun discharge, wouldn't they already have been arrested (but again, not sure how easy or difficult it is to circumvent these tests)?

not sure how precise the cell GPS is (sounds like info can be retrieved with or without intact phone)... will it tell law enforcement if they were within few feet of the body, a mile, somewhere in between?)...

if reports above were accurate (neighbor witness/es and/or surveilance camera footage), that they returned home (shortly?) after shots were fired, that rules out the OJ overlapping alibis... nap/lawn putting...

there are a lot of things that are puzzling... the mr. wolf day after your associate's body is dumped a mile from your house cleaning service conspiracy theory is a head scratcher... what would AH tell them... we had a food fight and it got out of hand... can you make sure you get the brain matter and skull fragments off the sofa, drapes and carpet, please?

the sabotaged surveillance system would have vexed columbo (he was generally sceptical of out of the ordinary things coinciding with murders - thats how he rolled)...

* maybe they weren't participants but witnessed something (proverbial drug deal gone bad?)... but than why not report it (would have implicated themselves, for same reason john travolta didn't call ambulance or file a police report when uma thurman ODed in pulp fiction... OR, fear of reprisal/retaliation from badder people than them?)...

 

[MaxThreshold]

Forgive me if this has been covered, as I was only able to read probably 9 of the 17 pages, but I assume the possibility has been mentioned that the guy who got killed smacked around his girlfriend, and AH made him pay since she is the sister of his girlfriend?

Or would the timeline of them being at the club and everything make that scenario unlikely?

I'm thinking the two were lovers and the dude was going to leave Hernandez and he couldn't take it.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

They tried to convict Casey Anthony on an entirely circumstantial case. They failed, but they knew it was possible to do.

All the evidence against OJ was circumstantial as well. I believe most murder cases rely on circumstantial evidence since most murderers try not to perform in front of witnesses.

Not sure what is considered circumstantial evidence but my friend's dad was convicted of the murder of his brother based on hair and blood evidence in his van even though he did not confess and they never found the body. Been in the joint for 25 years now. First case in the history of New York State with a murder conviction and no body or confession.

 

[bushdocda]

What's weird is that he doesn't look like a thug.

Can't tell if you're serious or not.

Dude is covered in tats.

I never realized he was such a thug, but now it makes more sense why he fell in the draft. I'm sure teams that looked into his character realized he wasn't exactly a model citizen.

And we all know that's a sure sign of being a thug.

Fine, he's not a thug...but he is wearing a thug's uniform.

Good grief. I would venture to bet that 80% of thugs don't have tats. We just hear about the one's that do, and of course every thug on TV has one, thus guys with tats are obviously thugs. And all long hairs smoke pot. It's common knowledge.

No way, these are ironclad discriminations I base my internal compasss upon.

 

[Penguin]

BREAKING from TMZ: Witness puts Hernandez at Grassy Knoll

 

[HughHoney]

Take a plea and snitch. Ray ray did and look at him now.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so where is he now?

 

[Mello]

I wonder if the police are trying to smoke him out by releasing all of the damaging info about his phone and security system. Turning the public against him is a good way to start the plea negotiations.

Right now it sounds like the cops have nothing on the murder charge, and will end up charging all three men, waiting for the first to make a deal.

Sick that police can play games like that with people that are supposed to be presumed innocent. These kinds of things lead to false confessions.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I wonder if the police are trying to smoke him out by releasing all of the damaging info about his phone and security system. Turning the public against him is a good way to start the plea negotiations.

Right now it sounds like the cops have nothing on the murder charge, and will end up charging all three men, waiting for the first to make a deal.

Sick that police can play games like that with people that are supposed to be presumed innocent. These kinds of things lead to false confessions.

My heart bleeds.

 

[massraider]

Two people on a secret is one too many. Three guys means someone is gonna rat, and it's gonna be the guy not named Hernandez that didn't shoot him. That's the guy who has the least to lose, and will get the shortest sentence. Hernandez and the shooter are both gonna hope this goes away. If Hernandez shot him? Then there will be two guys dying to squeal

 

[JPeso]

What's weird is that he doesn't look like a thug.

Can't tell if you're serious or not.

Dude is covered in tats.

I never realized he was such a thug, but now it makes more sense why he fell in the draft. I'm sure teams that looked into his character realized he wasn't exactly a model citizen.

And we all know that's a sure sign of being a thug.

Fine, he's not a thug...but he is wearing a thug's uniform.

Good grief. I would venture to bet that 80% of thugs don't have tats. We just hear about the one's that do, and of course every thug on TV has one, thus guys with tats are obviously thugs. And all long hairs smoke pot. It's common knowledge.

Concur. Really narrow-minded thinking.

 

[Faust]

Hernandez faces wide range of legal possibilitiesMichael McCann > SPORTS LAW

As each hour passes, leaks about Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez paint an increasingly dire account of his possible connection to the death of Odin Lloyd, whose body was found by police about a mile from Hernandez's home in North Attleboro, Massachusetts on Monday. Sports Illustrated learned earlier today that Hernandez is likely to face charges. Hernandez's side of the story has not yet been told. His attorneys do not have reason to publicly defend him -- and possibly lose leverage in negotiations with law enforcement -- for crimes for which he hasn't been charged. As of now, law enforcement largely controls the outflow of information, but that would change if Hernandez is charged.

If Hernandez is ultimately charged, he could face any of the following wide range of charges:

Accessory Before the Fact

If Hernandez is charged with accessory before the fact, it would be based on him allegedly providing assistance to the person or persons who later murdered Lloyd. Accessory before the fact requires more than simply knowing a crime is going to take place -- it requires actual assistance to the person or persons who committed the crime and an intent to see the crime happen. Assistance in the form of planning, funding or encouragement would likely satisfy the charge. But Hernandez merely being in the car implicated in the homicide would probably not be enough -- prosecutors would have to show he was more than a bystander or onlooker.

Accessory before the fact is a very serious charge because the person charged can face the same penalty as the person who committed the crime. In other words, a person who aids a murderer before the act can face the same penalty as the murderer. A charge of this type sometimes entails witnesses testifying against one another to save themselves.

Accessory After the Fact

If Hernandez was charged with accessory after the fact, the charge would be based on Hernandez assisting the principal felon after Lloyd was shot. This could center on Hernandez harboring the shooter or destroying evidence that might implicate the shooter. If verified, reports that Hernandez destroyed surveillance equipment and his cell phone, and that cleaners cleaned his home a day after the alleged shooting, could help prosecutors prove Hernandez was an accessory after the fact.

The maximum penalty for accessory after the fact is seven years in prison, though sentences can be much lighter, especially for someone without a criminal record.

Conspiracy

If Hernandez is charged with conspiracy, the charge would be based on Hernandez intentionally joining at least one other person to carry out an unlawful plan. Conspiracy is similar to accessory but is similar to accessory but requires joint involvement. In Massachusetts, a person charged with conspiracy in a murder can face a maximum of 20 years in prison. The absence of a past criminal record usually leads to a much lighter penalty than the maximum.

Defenses

If Hernandez is charged with any crime, we would hear from his attorneys about alleged weaknesses in the police's account of what took place. A perceived gap in the police's time line of events and inconsistent statements from witnesses are plausible arguments. Some type of alibi for Hernandez's whereabouts would also be offered. Prosecutors also have to prove any charges beyond a reasonable doubt - not an easy task, especially when the defendant has substantial financial resources to assemble a top legal team.

Bottom line

If Hernandez is charged, some of the possible crimes would carry very lengthy maximum sentences. Hernandez's attorneys, however, would offer defenses and points of information that rebuke law enforcement's assertions. Also, if Hernandez is convicted, he would likely receive a much lesser penalty than the maximum because he would be a first-time offender. Cooperation with law enforcement, willingness to implicate others, acceptance of fault and demonstration of contrition would also be viewed favorably by a sentencing judge.

Still, if Hernandez is charged with a crime in connection to Lloyd's death, he would probably be facing at least a few years in prison rather a few months in jail.

Michael McCann is the founding director of the Sports and Entertainment Law Institute at the University of New Hampshire School of Law and the distinguished visiting Hall of Fame Professor of Law at Mississippi College School of Law.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Hernandez faces wide range of legal possibilities

Michael McCann > SPORTS LAW

As each hour passes, leaks about Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez paint an increasingly dire account of his possible connection to the death of Odin Lloyd, whose body was found by police about a mile from Hernandez's home in North Attleboro, Massachusetts on Monday. Sports Illustrated learned earlier today that Hernandez is likely to face charges. Hernandez's side of the story has not yet been told. His attorneys do not have reason to publicly defend him -- and possibly lose leverage in negotiations with law enforcement -- for crimes for which he hasn't been charged. As of now, law enforcement largely controls the outflow of information, but that would change if Hernandez is charged.

If Hernandez is ultimately charged, he could face any of the following wide range of charges:

Accessory Before the Fact

If Hernandez is charged with accessory before the fact, it would be based on him allegedly providing assistance to the person or persons who later murdered Lloyd. Accessory before the fact requires more than simply knowing a crime is going to take place -- it requires actual assistance to the person or persons who committed the crime and an intent to see the crime happen. Assistance in the form of planning, funding or encouragement would likely satisfy the charge. But Hernandez merely being in the car implicated in the homicide would probably not be enough -- prosecutors would have to show he was more than a bystander or onlooker.

Accessory before the fact is a very serious charge because the person charged can face the same penalty as the person who committed the crime. In other words, a person who aids a murderer before the act can face the same penalty as the murderer. A charge of this type sometimes entails witnesses testifying against one another to save themselves.

Accessory After the Fact

If Hernandez was charged with accessory after the fact, the charge would be based on Hernandez assisting the principal felon after Lloyd was shot. This could center on Hernandez harboring the shooter or destroying evidence that might implicate the shooter. If verified, reports that Hernandez destroyed surveillance equipment and his cell phone, and that cleaners cleaned his home a day after the alleged shooting, could help prosecutors prove Hernandez was an accessory after the fact.

The maximum penalty for accessory after the fact is seven years in prison, though sentences can be much lighter, especially for someone without a criminal record.

Conspiracy

If Hernandez is charged with conspiracy, the charge would be based on Hernandez intentionally joining at least one other person to carry out an unlawful plan. Conspiracy is similar to accessory but is similar to accessory but requires joint involvement. In Massachusetts, a person charged with conspiracy in a murder can face a maximum of 20 years in prison. The absence of a past criminal record usually leads to a much lighter penalty than the maximum.

Defenses

If Hernandez is charged with any crime, we would hear from his attorneys about alleged weaknesses in the police's account of what took place. A perceived gap in the police's time line of events and inconsistent statements from witnesses are plausible arguments. Some type of alibi for Hernandez's whereabouts would also be offered. Prosecutors also have to prove any charges beyond a reasonable doubt - not an easy task, especially when the defendant has substantial financial resources to assemble a top legal team.

Bottom line

If Hernandez is charged, some of the possible crimes would carry very lengthy maximum sentences. Hernandez's attorneys, however, would offer defenses and points of information that rebuke law enforcement's assertions. Also, if Hernandez is convicted, he would likely receive a much lesser penalty than the maximum because he would be a first-time offender. Cooperation with law enforcement, willingness to implicate others, acceptance of fault and demonstration of contrition would also be viewed favorably by a sentencing judge.

Still, if Hernandez is charged with a crime in connection to Lloyd's death, he would probably be facing at least a few years in prison rather a few months in jail.

Michael McCann is the founding director of the Sports and Entertainment Law Institute at the University of New Hampshire School of Law and the distinguished visiting Hall of Fame Professor of Law at Mississippi College School of Law.

great job posting this up there. I found it to be very interesting and informative. I'm just wondering if obstruction charges could be mounted on top of some of the charges mentioned in this post. I've read reports that he erased or deleted memory from his home surveillance system. I also read that he hired a cleaning crew to literally give his house a "scrubbing" just a few days ago, and apparently destroyed his cell phone as well. I'm not a lawyer by any means--but even if he's innocent--isn't tampering/destroying potential evidence a crime? If there any lawyers reading through this thread--I'd love to know your thoughts.

 

[GregR]

Forgive me if this has been covered, as I was only able to read probably 9 of the 17 pages, but I assume the possibility has been mentioned that the guy who got killed smacked around his girlfriend, and AH made him pay since she is the sister of his girlfriend?

Or would the timeline of them being at the club and everything make that scenario unlikely?

Sure it's a possibility. Though I don't recall hearing any evidence that would make it seem any more likely than anything else one might speculate.

 

[Donnybrook]

The whole rental car thing throws me for a loop. Was this a premediated murder? Was there another legitmate reason for the rental? Why sign for it under your own name? All the other evidence point to a heat of the moment type killing except for the rental.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Is it an urban myth that you can't rent a car until you're 25, or something?

 

[ghostguy123]

Is it an urban myth that you can't rent a car until you're 25, or something?

Add renting a car illegally to the list of charges.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Is it an urban myth that you can't rent a car until you're 25, or something?

When I was under 25 they usually made me buy the insurance.

Okay, so total urban myth. Interesting.

 

[ghostguy123]

Is it an urban myth that you can't rent a car until you're 25, or something?

When I was under 25 they usually made me buy the insurance.

Okay, so total urban myth. Interesting.

I also rented a car under 25, just costs more really.

So as a Hernando owner..............................hoping he is suiting up week 1 in 2014 after an aquittal.. Or this drags out super long till the next offseason and Goodell doesnt suspend him...................seems unlikely for that though.

 

[kutta]

I heard on the radio that he had three rented cars at the same time. Not sure how true it is, but that's what's being reported. Now that's weird.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so did he go home tonight or is he on the run?

 

[Shawn]

I heard on the radio that he had three rented cars at the same time. Not sure how true it is, but that's what's being reported. Now that's weird.

and he had 3 friends with him. Did he rent everyone their own car?

 

[rockaction]

I heard on the radio that he had three rented cars at the same time. Not sure how true it is, but that's what's being reported. Now that's weird.

and he had 3 friends with him. Did he rent everyone their own car?

In all seriousness, if you hang out in really lower-income areas, and have a credit card, people will constantly try to get you to rent them a car. Not kidding. So if his boys are lower-income bangers, this isn't a surprise in the least.

*I recently had a chance to sit in on a trial where everybody in the courtroom (in a bigger, low-income city) also understood the migration of a working cell phone from user to user, including the judge. Just happens.

 

[Truman]

MT, have you updated your projections for Hernandez yet?

No, I don't have a good handle on how many games he should be expected to play. What seems like a reasonable guess to you all?

Assuming he gets bail, I'd guess 16.

Is this plays in 16 games or misses 16 games?If you are saying plays in 16 games, you don't think he would be suspended after all that's surfaced this week?

It's such a big case that I think Goodell will wait until it done before he suspends him. I could be wrong but it would be very difficult to give the right suspension at this point.

Edit: Goodell waited to suspend Vick indefinitely until after his plea bargain.

Yeah but Vick was still told to stay away from training camp while the investigation was ongoing. Hernandez will likely face trial next year and Goodell will not want to see him on Monday Night Football while he's been charged with conspiracy to murder

 

[ghostguy123]

Yeah but Vick was still told to stay away from training camp while the investigation was ongoing. Hernandez will likely face trial next year and Goodell will not want to see him on Monday Night Football while he's been charged with conspiracy to murder

Innocent until proven guilty baby.

I can easily see an indefinite suspension while things are pending. We just need to know what is going to be pending.

 

[The Kerminator]

The whole rental car thing throws me for a loop. Was this a premediated murder? Was there another legitmate reason for the rental? Why sign for it under your own name? All the other evidence point to a heat of the moment type killing except for the rental.

Haven't read all the details on this story, but is it possible that when they say "rental car" they mean a lease? Instead of buying the cars, I imagine Hernandez is leasing.

 

[Lavachebeadsman]

What's weird is that he doesn't look like a thug.

Can't tell if you're serious or not.

Dude is covered in tats.

I never realized he was such a thug, but now it makes more sense why he fell in the draft. I'm sure teams that looked into his character realized he wasn't exactly a model citizen.

And we all know that's a sure sign of being a thug.

Fine, he's not a thug...but he is wearing a thug's uniform.

Good grief. I would venture to bet that 80% of thugs don't have tats. We just hear about the one's that do, and of course every thug on TV has one, thus guys with tats are obviously thugs. And all long hairs smoke pot. It's common knowledge.

I'll take that bet.

And I'll take the "long haired dudes smoke pot" bet too.

I have long hair and a few tattoos and I haven't gotten in trouble for anything except a speeding ticket since I was 16...

 

[pantherclub]

Of course there's always the possibility that he's completely innocent and wasn't involved in the killing at all. Suits up game 1, plays every game and wins a Super Bowl ring.

zero percent chance of this

Never say 0. You were not there you don't know. The info given to the media based on the leaks is not verified. Its not like the guy had blood on his shirt.

could you give me a plausible scenario where he wouldnt be involved given what we know?

 

[petenice15]

Report: Hernandez to be charged with obstruction of justice

Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez will reportedly be charged with obstruction of justice in connection with the death of Odin Lloyd.

WBZ NewsRadio 1030, citing an unnamed law enforcement source, reports that an arrest warrant has been issued on a charge of obstruction of justice. The report added that additional charges against Hernandez are possible.

Police reportedly believe that Hernandez destroyed footage from his home security system, broke his camera into pieces and had his home professionally cleaned shortly after the death of Lloyd, a 27-year-old man who has been described as an associate of Hernandez.

The WBZ report comes on the heels of a Sports Illustrated report on Thursday that said Hernandez is likely to be arrested. It is still not clear when or where the arrest would take place.

 

[Sabertooth]

What a ####### idiot. If this jackass was stupid enough to pull the trigger I hope they get him for at least 2nd degree and it sticks. Cmon man... you've got life by the balls and you pull this ####? :wallbang:

Yep. If healthy, Hernandez could have revolutionized the position and put of HOF numbers. Quickest tight end I've ever seen.

 

[Shutout]

Of course there's always the possibility that he's completely innocent and wasn't involved in the killing at all. Suits up game 1, plays every game and wins a Super Bowl ring.

zero percent chance of this

Never say 0. You were not there you don't know. The info given to the media based on the leaks is not verified. Its not like the guy had blood on his shirt.

could you give me a plausible scenario where he wouldnt be involved given what we know?

I can think of a couple. Everyone is out partying and having a good time. An argument starts between the gf and the victim and the gf shoots him (or maybe one of the other friends steps in between the argument and a gun goes off and shoots the victim in the head). Anyway, Hernandez is pleaded to by his own gf to do whatever they can to make it go away; she doesn't want anyhthing to happen to her sister. Hernandez feels compeeled to help his gf and sister. There IS a level of involvement of course, but not directly like most are thinking.

Or, maybe the guys are out partying, are high and drunk, maybe smoking some weed and something goes down between the group (but not Hernandez directly). The victim dies and Hernandez feels compeeled to ry to make it go away because he knows that if this comes out, he is going to get busted for doing drugs and doesn't want a suspension. Best case scenario he thinks: no one ever misses this guy.

A lot of guessing by us all but when things go wrong, people's minds work in strange ways and the vast majority of the time, the end result is 10 times worse than what the original infraction was (outside of murder, of course). Its like a case we had once here where a guy skipped paying child support. Got threatened to go to jail if he didn't pay up so he gambled. Lost his money so he knocked off a Circle K. Ran from the law, of course, got involved in a high speed car chase. During the chase, does half a million in damages to property and kills a pedestrian. Injures himself in the crash. Loses a leg and an eye and goes to jail for 25 years, owes more money than he can ever repay over a $175/mo. child support bill.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Um, in your above scenarios he is up to his eyeballs involved.

 

[rct]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report-arrest-warrant-issued-aaron-hernandez-114515818.html

Report: Arrest warrant issued for Aaron Hernandez

Multiple news outlets are reporting that an arrest warrant has been issued for Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez in connection with the shooting death earlier this week of Odin Lloyd of Dorchester, Mass.

According to WBZ, a CBS News affiliate, Hernandez will be arrested for obstruction of justice, with the possibility that the charges could be upgraded. Given Thursday's news that Hernandez apparently destroyed both his home surveillance system and a cell phone, either of which could have provided clues to Lloyd's death, the charges are not surprising. Massachusetts state police will apparently carry out the arrest, though the terms have not yet been disclosed.

 

[LuckyOne]

Um, in your above scenarios he is up to his eyeballs involved.

How about he went home and went to bed. One of his friends did it, went to his house (he's staying there so he has a key) and destroys the security system. Hernandez sees the system busted, gets in argument with friend, his phone gets thrown. His previously scheduled cleaners show up. He hears the news, does the smart thing and lawyers up.

Not what I think happened, but certainly plausible.

 

[Steed]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

What's the potential sentence for obstruction in a murder investigation?

 

[mikel0254]

Of course there's always the possibility that he's completely innocent and wasn't involved in the killing at all. Suits up game 1, plays every game and wins a Super Bowl ring.

zero percent chance of this

Never say 0. You were not there you don't know. The info given to the media based on the leaks is not verified. Its not like the guy had blood on his shirt.

could you give me a plausible scenario where he wouldnt be involved given what we know?

I can think of a couple. Everyone is out partying and having a good time. An argument starts between the gf and the victim and the gf shoots him (or maybe one of the other friends steps in between the argument and a gun goes off and shoots the victim in the head). Anyway, Hernandez is pleaded to by his own gf to do whatever they can to make it go away; she doesn't want anyhthing to happen to her sister. Hernandez feels compeeled to help his gf and sister. There IS a level of involvement of course, but not directly like most are thinking.

Or, maybe the guys are out partying, are high and drunk, maybe smoking some weed and something goes down between the group (but not Hernandez directly). The victim dies and Hernandez feels compeeled to ry to make it go away because he knows that if this comes out, he is going to get busted for doing drugs and doesn't want a suspension. Best case scenario he thinks: no one ever misses this guy.

A lot of guessing by us all but when things go wrong, people's minds work in strange ways and the vast majority of the time, the end result is 10 times worse than what the original infraction was (outside of murder, of course). Its like a case we had once here where a guy skipped paying child support. Got threatened to go to jail if he didn't pay up so he gambled. Lost his money so he knocked off a Circle K. Ran from the law, of course, got involved in a high speed car chase. During the chase, does half a million in damages to property and kills a pedestrian. Injures himself in the crash. Loses a leg and an eye and goes to jail for 25 years, owes more money than he can ever repay over a $175/mo. child support bill.

He's a major player in those scenarios you list. If he helped cover up a murder or dispose of a body, regardless of who killed who, he's going away for a while.

Maybe a lawyer or someone who knows the law can help here, but isn't it a law to report a murder if you know about it? I was under the impression that if you know about a murder and don't report it, you are in some serious trouble. I don't think it's like this for every crime, but murder is in its own category.