Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (3 Viewers)

[Workhorse]

Ian Rapoport on Twitter:

Spoke to the clerk at Attleboro District Court. She told me no arrest warrant was filed for Aaron Hernandez. One may come. But it hasn't yet

 

[BruceAlmighty]

Anyone think that Hernandez will be charged with obstruction of justice? I feel like that charge is imminent.

He was arrested and charged with that this morning.

This is incorrect. It was reported a warrant for obstruction was issued this morning but no arrest has been made.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

what does a "fake tough guy" act like?

Look around. FBG is full of them.

 

[The_Man]

Anyone think that Hernandez will be charged with obstruction of justice? I feel like that charge is imminent.

He was arrested and charged with that this morning.

This is incorrect. It was reported a warrant for obstruction was issued this morning but no arrest has been made.

And no warrant has been issued.

I think social media is about to report that Aaron Hernandez is being sought in connection with the Boston Marathon bombing.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players for smoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

 

[Workhorse]

Anyone think that Hernandez will be charged with obstruction of justice? I feel like that charge is imminent.

He was arrested and charged with that this morning.

This is incorrect. It was reported a warrant for obstruction was issued this morning but no arrest has been made.

And no warrant has been issued.

I think social media is about to report that Aaron Hernandez is being sought in connection with the Boston Marathon bombing.

CNN just reported that Aaron Hernandez was drafted by the Patriots.

 

[Workhorse]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players for smoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

C'mon. When all the stuff swirled around about Big Ben and rape allegations, they never thought once about cutting/trading him.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

 

[Shutout]

Of course there's always the possibility that he's completely innocent and wasn't involved in the killing at all. Suits up game 1, plays every game and wins a Super Bowl ring.

zero percent chance of this

Never say 0. You were not there you don't know. The info given to the media based on the leaks is not verified. Its not like the guy had blood on his shirt.

could you give me a plausible scenario where he wouldnt be involved given what we know?

I can think of a couple. Everyone is out partying and having a good time. An argument starts between the gf and the victim and the gf shoots him (or maybe one of the other friends steps in between the argument and a gun goes off and shoots the victim in the head). Anyway, Hernandez is pleaded to by his own gf to do whatever they can to make it go away; she doesn't want anyhthing to happen to her sister. Hernandez feels compeeled to help his gf and sister. There IS a level of involvement of course, but not directly like most are thinking.

Or, maybe the guys are out partying, are high and drunk, maybe smoking some weed and something goes down between the group (but not Hernandez directly). The victim dies and Hernandez feels compeeled to ry to make it go away because he knows that if this comes out, he is going to get busted for doing drugs and doesn't want a suspension. Best case scenario he thinks: no one ever misses this guy.

A lot of guessing by us all but when things go wrong, people's minds work in strange ways and the vast majority of the time, the end result is 10 times worse than what the original infraction was (outside of murder, of course). Its like a case we had once here where a guy skipped paying child support. Got threatened to go to jail if he didn't pay up so he gambled. Lost his money so he knocked off a Circle K. Ran from the law, of course, got involved in a high speed car chase. During the chase, does half a million in damages to property and kills a pedestrian. Injures himself in the crash. Loses a leg and an eye and goes to jail for 25 years, owes more money than he can ever repay over a $175/mo. child support bill.

He's a major player in those scenarios you list. If he helped cover up a murder or dispose of a body, regardless of who killed who, he's going away for a while.

Maybe a lawyer or someone who knows the law can help here, but isn't it a law to report a murder if you know about it? I was under the impression that if you know about a murder and don't report it, you are in some serious trouble. I don't think it's like this for every crime, but murder is in its own category.

Since all this is speculation, its a fruitless exercise by any measure so I won't argue semantics other than to say my scenarios are situations where, yes, he has involvement (as I said in the post), but was an attempt to paint a scenario where it is not nearly as dire as most people are jumping to.

The way this thread reads, people are trying to put the gun in his hand or act as if he clearly ordered a hit and had blood in his house, etc. All I'm saying is that, unless Hernandez was out of the state then its blatantly obvious he is "involved". Anyone can see that. If you are watching television in your house and a guy breaks down your door with a hostage and creates a stand off, you're involved just by it being your house. But the point is, he may not be the LINK to this. He might just be a guy with a lot of money and resources and he surrounded himself with the wrong people..and there might be things going on that would compel him to act in a way that normally he would not (such as the case of he does something that clearly is irrational yet is to protect someone else other than himself).

At any rate, since this is all nothing more than an episode of CSI that just so happens to have a character in it that we are working ourselves up into a froth over based mainly on the fact that we may have $50-$100 invested in fake football games, I am more inclined to just stop the speculation all together. So, I will bow out of the "what if" game now and just watch it from the peanut gallery.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

yeah, classy team those steelers, LMFAO

the league however did suspend him for 4 games

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

I bleed black and gold, but give me a break. And pretty much every team is run the same way. Scrubs get cut to "send a message". Pro Bowlers? Not so much.

 

[Hang 10]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

Threaten to trade him after he raped another one?

 

[rct]

I doubt Robert Kraft wants to be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

The word "accomplice" does not mean what you think it does.

 

[KCitons]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players for smoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

Definitely would send a message to any world leaders thinking about stealing another of Kraft's Super Bowl rings.

 

[kutta]

Anyone think that Hernandez will be charged with obstruction of justice? I feel like that charge is imminent.

He was arrested and charged with that this morning.

Where did you hear he was already arrested?

Sorry. Arrest warrant issued for obstruction.

 

[Rockchild]

Rotoworld:

Two teammates tell Sports Illustrated's Greg A. Bedard Aaron Hernandez "got more brazen" after signing his seven-year, $41.115 million extension last August.
Worries about Hernandez's past apparently extended beyond his marijuana issues in college, with reports indicating in recent days teams were concerned about reported gang ties in his native Connecticut. "Brazenness" is certainly suggested by Hernandez's rumored/alleged pattern of violence this offseason. His NFL future is as clear as mud.

Source: Greg A. Bedard on Twitter

I read this and kind of chuckled a bit. I'm sure gangs are gangs but somehow it just doesn't seem as bad if they're from Connecticut,lol.

 

[BruceAlmighty]

Anyone think that Hernandez will be charged with obstruction of justice? I feel like that charge is imminent.

He was arrested and charged with that this morning.

This is incorrect. It was reported a warrant for obstruction was issued this morning but no arrest has been made.

And no warrant has been issued.I think social media is about to report that Aaron Hernandez is being sought in connection with the Boston Marathon bombing.

And that his accomplice was Lennay Kekua.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Its all over for him bubba. Anyone who thinkshe'll play again is whistling past the graveyard

Wow, those obstruction of Justice charges must be pretty hard.

 

[Shanahanigans]

I doubt Robert Kraft wants to be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

The word "accomplice" does not mean what you think it does.

I'm not saying I would call him that, but that wont stop the masses from implying that he is an accomplice for enabling Hernandez to continue his life unimpeded.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Rotoworld:

Two teammates tell Sports Illustrated's Greg A. Bedard Aaron Hernandez "got more brazen" after signing his seven-year, $41.115 million extension last August.
Worries about Hernandez's past apparently extended beyond his marijuana issues in college, with reports indicating in recent days teams were concerned about reported gang ties in his native Connecticut. "Brazenness" is certainly suggested by Hernandez's rumored/alleged pattern of violence this offseason. His NFL future is as clear as mud.

Source: Greg A. Bedard on Twitter

I read this and kind of chuckled a bit. I'm sure gangs are gangs but somehow it just doesn't seem as bad if they're from Connecticut,lol.

Shane McMahon and his "Mean Street Posse" were pretty tough. They were from the mean streets of Greenwich after all.... LOL

 

[petenice15]

A source tells the Boston Globe there are no "arrest warrants issued currently in Odin Lloyd murder investigation."

Per reporter Wesley Lowery, that doesn't mean they won't soon be issued, but for now, Aaron Hernandez has yet to be charged with a crime. Earlier Friday, a "law enforcement source" told CBS Boston a warrant for obstruction of justice had been issued for the Patriots' tight end. Judging by the range of speculation, the local media doesn't have a terribly good grip on what law enforcement is actually planning to do in the case.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

I bleed black and gold, but give me a break. And pretty much every team is run the same way. Scrubs get cut to "send a message". Pro Bowlers? Not so much.

Really, Santonio Holmes had 79 catches, 1,248 receiving yards, and 5 TDs the year before he was essentially released. That's not exactly a scrub.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

I bleed black and gold, but give me a break. And pretty much every team is run the same way. Scrubs get cut to "send a message". Pro Bowlers? Not so much.

Really, Santonio Holmes had 79 catches, 1,248 receiving yards, and 5 TDs the year before he was essentially released. That's not exactly a scrub.

Santonio was traded, not cut. And he's a decent WR but far from a superstar. Ben made him, which is pretty obvious based on how he's done since leaving Pittsburgh.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

Apples and oranges. Both of those rapes were alleged, and Ben was never charged. The first of which, if you research it, is almost certainly fabricated by the "victim". The second allegation seems more valid/serious, but even then Ben was never charged with anything, and the alleged victim backtracked, saying, "a boy kind of raped me."

No offense to rape victims, but murder is a much more serious crime. Beyond that, there is no proof any rape ever occurred. No physical evidence, no surveillance footage, no eye-witnesses, no neighbor that heard gunshots, etc. In the Hernandez case, a crime was definitely committed. A man was definitely murdered, and justice has definitely been obstructed by Hernandez's destruction of evidence.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Santonio was traded, not cut. And he's a decent WR but far from a superstar. Ben made him, which is pretty obvious based on how he's done since leaving Pittsburgh.

All reports indicate that they were going to release him if no trade partner was found. Regardless of your feeling about Holmes, he is not a "scrub" as you implied.

 

[Jeremy]

what does a "fake tough guy" act like?

Look around. FBG is full of them.

If you're looking for real life examples, look for the guys with pet pitbulls and a motorcycle that cranks out more decibels that a 747.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

Apples and oranges. Both of those rapes were alleged, and Ben was never charged. The first of which, if you research it, is almost certainly fabricated by the "victim". The second allegation seems more valid/serious, but even then Ben was never charged with anything, and the alleged victim backtracked, saying, "a boy kind of raped me."

No offense to rape victims, but murder is a much more serious crime. Beyond that, there is no proof any rape ever occurred. No physical evidence, no surveillance footage, no eye-witnesses, no neighbor that heard gunshots, etc. In the Hernandez case, a crime was definitely committed. A man was definitely murdered, and justice has definitely been obstructed by Hernandez's destruction of evidence.

LOL, you really don't see the irony of your post, do you?

 

[matttyl]

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

Threaten to trade him after he raped another one?

Well, they certainly didn't resign him to a long term deal afterwards.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

The only difference is that a murder victim is dead, and thus can't be given a few million to go away quietly while also avoiding having their every past sexual encounter examined with a microscope in open court.

Again, I am a huge Steelers' homer, but if Ben came anywhere near either of my daughters I'd take a baseball bat to his head. He's a POS.

 

[David Dodds]

from Pro Football Talk Comments:

Destroying video footage and playing for the Patriots kind of goes hand and hand, doesn’t it?

 

[Shanahanigans]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

Apples and oranges. Both of those rapes were alleged, and Ben was never charged. The first of which, if you research it, is almost certainly fabricated by the "victim". The second allegation seems more valid/serious, but even then Ben was never charged with anything, and the alleged victim backtracked, saying, "a boy kind of raped me."

No offense to rape victims, but murder is a much more serious crime. Beyond that, there is no proof any rape ever occurred. No physical evidence, no surveillance footage, no eye-witnesses, no neighbor that heard gunshots, etc. In the Hernandez case, a crime was definitely committed. A man was definitely murdered, and justice has definitely been obstructed by Hernandez's destruction of evidence.

LOL, you really don't see the irony of your post, do you?

Are you implying it's ironic because I give Ben the benefit of the doubt, while essentially convicting Hernandez before he is even charged?

If so, I would argue that in Hernandez's case we know a crime has been committed, and we know he destroyed evidence. In Ben's case we don't know if a crime was committed, and we don't know if he destroyed evidence. To compare the two is misguided.

 

[Plorfu]

what does a "fake tough guy" act like?

Look around. FBG is full of them.

Wanna say that to my face, punk? :flex:

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Santonio was traded, not cut. And he's a

decent WR but far from a superstar. Ben made him, which is pretty obvious based on how he's done since leaving Pittsburgh.

All reports indicate that they were going to release him if no trade partner was found. Regardless of your feeling about Holmes, he is not a "scrub" as you implied.

You really don't see the difference between Ben and Holmes as far as value to the team? GTFO of here.

 

[Shanahanigans]

The only difference is that a murder victim is dead, and thus can't be given a few million to go away quietly while also avoiding having their every past sexual encounter examined with a microscope in open court.

Again, I am a huge Steelers' homer, but if Ben came anywhere near either of my daughters I'd take a baseball bat to his head. He's a POS.

No, the main difference is that in Hernandez's case we know a crime(s) were committed. In Ben's case we don't know. You obviously think he did it, and I agree that it's entirely possible based on the evidence, but there is still a decent amount of uncertainty as to whether a crime was even committed. We know Odin Lloyd was murdered, for sure.

 

[KCitons]

Santonio was traded, not cut. And he's a

decent WR but far from a superstar. Ben made him, which is pretty obvious based on how he's done since leaving Pittsburgh.

All reports indicate that they were going to release him if no trade partner was found. Regardless of your feeling about Holmes, he is not a "scrub" as you implied.

You really don't see the difference between Ben and Holmes as far as value to the team? GTFO of here.

Big difference in value

 

[PatsWillWin]

The only difference is that a murder victim is dead, and thus can't be given a few million to go away quietly while also avoiding having their every past sexual encounter examined with a microscope in open court.

Again, I am a huge Steelers' homer, but if Ben came anywhere near either of my daughters I'd take a baseball bat to his head. He's a POS.

No, the main difference is that in Hernandez's case we know a crime(s) were committed. In Ben's case we don't know. You obviously think he did it, and I agree that it's entirely possible based on the evidence, but there is still a decent amount of uncertainty as to whether a crime was even committed. We know Odin Lloyd was murdered, for sure.

Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Has it been ruled out that Lloyd shot himself repeatedly execution style?

 

[mikel0254]

Santonio was traded, not cut. And he's a

decent WR but far from a superstar. Ben made him, which is pretty obvious based on how he's done since leaving Pittsburgh.

All reports indicate that they were going to release him if no trade partner was found. Regardless of your feeling about Holmes, he is not a "scrub" as you implied.

You really don't see the difference between Ben and Holmes as far as value to the team? GTFO of here.

[SIZE=10.5pt]Can we please get back to wild, unsubstantiated speculations? Thank you! [/SIZE]

 

[Shanahanigans]

Santonio was traded, not cut. And he's a

decent WR but far from a superstar. Ben made him, which is pretty obvious based on how he's done since leaving Pittsburgh.

All reports indicate that they were going to release him if no trade partner was found. Regardless of your feeling about Holmes, he is not a "scrub" as you implied.

You really don't see the difference between Ben and Holmes as far as value to the team? GTFO of here.

No, I recognize the double standard, but I think Holmes value to the Steelers at the time is comparable to Hernandez's value to the Pats right now. I think it's a better comparison, but I agree that if Brady was up for charges, that's a totally different animal for Kraft.

 

[Plorfu]

I gotta say it's pretty impressive we went 20 pages before we started a stupid team-vs-team pissing match.

 

[GregR]

I'm wondering if the Pats would opt to suspend AH rather than release him outright, because of cap implications. I'm not positive in any of this, but I think if they just release him then that cap money from his bonus is gone. If they suspend him they can probably begin proceedings to recoup it.

Pinged Andrew Brandt and also PFT to see if one of them can shed some more knowledgeable insight on it.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

No loyalty at all. The dude hasn't been charged with anything yet, much less convicted and they're already giving him the cold shoulder.

 

[Shanahanigans]

I gotta say it's pretty impressive we went 20 pages before we started a stupid team-vs-team pissing match.

lol... My bad, Im not even a Steelers fan. Broncos homer here.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

Apples and oranges. Both of those rapes were alleged, and Ben was never charged. The first of which, if you research it, is almost certainly fabricated by the "victim". The second allegation seems more valid/serious, but even then Ben was never charged with anything, and the alleged victim backtracked, saying, "a boy kind of raped me."

No offense to rape victims, but murder is a much more serious crime. Beyond that, there is no proof any rape ever occurred. No physical evidence, no surveillance footage, no eye-witnesses, no neighbor that heard gunshots, etc. In the Hernandez case, a crime was definitely committed. A man was definitely murdered, and justice has definitely been obstructed by Hernandez's destruction of evidence.

LOL, you really don't see the irony of your post, do you?

Are you implying it's ironic because I give Ben the benefit of the doubt, while essentially convicting Hernandez before he is even charged?

If so, I would argue that in Hernandez's case we know a crime has been committed, and we know he destroyed evidence. In Ben's case we don't know if a crime was committed, and we don't know if he destroyed evidence. To compare the two is misguided.

Uh, yeah. so Ben didn't rape the girl, but Hernandez murdered a guy. Got it. Good work there Champ.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

I'm interested if he has any offseason storage there - i.e. could he have been looking to get rid of more evidence?

-QG

 

[Fantasy Fool]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

No loyalty at all. The dude hasn't been charged with anything yet, much less convicted and they're already giving him the cold shoulder.

I think it has more to do with the media circus and helicopters swarming around the stadium, than it has to do with no loyalty.

 

[Raleigh Engineers]

Patriots locked him out of team facilities

I'm interested if he has any offseason storage there - i.e. could he have been looking to get rid of more evidence?

-QG

That's a good point.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Cue the white bronco.

(Not you, Tim.)

 

[Shanahanigans]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual

info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the

outcome of the legal proceedings.

This incident will show us if the Pats are as classy as the Steelers. The Steelers were willing to release one of their star players forsmoking weed and allegedly throwing a glass at a lady at a bar. I have to think if the Rooneys were in charge Hernandez might have already been cut/traded. I doubt Robert Kraft wants to

be seen as an accomplice to murder, regardless of how dubious that moniker is for him.

What did the Steelers do to their star player that raped a girl?

Apples and oranges. Both of those rapes were alleged, and Ben was never charged. The first of which, if you research it, is almost certainly fabricated by the "victim". The second allegation seems more valid/serious, but even then Ben was never charged with anything, and the alleged victim backtracked, saying, "a boy kind of raped me."

No offense to rape victims, but murder is a much more serious crime. Beyond that, there is no proof any rape ever occurred. No physical evidence, no surveillance footage, no eye-witnesses, no neighbor that heard gunshots, etc. In the Hernandez case, a crime was definitely committed. A man was definitely murdered, and justice has definitely been obstructed by Hernandez's destruction of evidence.

LOL, you really don't see the irony of your post, do you?

Are you implying it's ironic because I give Ben the benefit of the doubt, while essentially convicting Hernandez before he is even charged?

If so, I would argue that in Hernandez's case we know a crime has been committed, and we know he destroyed evidence. In Ben's case we don't know if a crime was committed, and we don't know if he destroyed evidence. To compare the two is misguided.

Uh, yeah. so Ben didn't rape the girl, but Hernandez murdered a guy. Got it. Good work there Champ.

I didn't say either of those things. I simply said that in Ben's case there is a lot of uncertainty as to whether a crime was even committed. In Hernandez case it seems pretty clear that he has obstructed justice by destroying evidence pertaining to a murder. Regardless if Hernandez pulled the trigger, it seems pretty clear that he has impeded a murder investigation. That's a very serious crime in my book. I will eat crow if Hernandez is never charged with obstruction.

 

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Patriots locked him out of team facilities

I'm interested if he has any offseason storage there - i.e. could he have been looking to get rid of more evidence?

-QG

That's a good point.

No, it really isn't. You don't get rid of evidence at your workplace, you throw it in the Charles River.

 

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Patriots locked him out of team facilities

I'm interested if he has any offseason storage there - i.e. could he have been looking to get rid of more evidence?

-QG

That's a good point.

No, it really isn't. You don't get rid of evidence at your workplace, you throw it in the Charles River.

You've done this before?