Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (2 Viewers)

[Shutout]

We are all doing so much speculation so who knows but I guess I'm the kind of guy that can see a scenario where a young man with a lot of fame and money might think of it as simply as "Man, if they come in here and see my huge stash of drugs, I'm going to lose my paycheck and get suspended and be forced into the drug program. And because I am a known sports star, they would probably make a big deal out of this."

Again, how could he have possibly known the police were going to show up before they did? He would have had no idea his friend was killed before the police showed up. Its wasn't in the news until they did show up.

I don't know the timeline So I don't know but one possible reasoning might be that the man dies, they notify the girlfriend who tells her sister who tells Aaron. It may or may not be the case but I can see a scenario where people are notified in private and the people closest to the situation know that something has occurred and then, after that point in time, someone makes a connection and then breaks the story that we then start hearing because it does involve a person like Hernandez.

Again, your question may very well prove your reasoning. I don't know. But I think there are always things going on that we tend to connect dots on that look past other factors. For all I know, if the man died at 3am, maybe Hernandez's fiance got a call by 4am and the family was aware before dawn broke.

So he'd rather destroy evidence that could actually help clear him as a suspect than have people know he was smoking pot inside his home?

It's fun to play devil's advocate and all, but there needs to be some basis of reality behind it.

If we continue to keep our mind open that there are more than just one set of facts or scenarios to consider, then it becomes unfair to ask this question. IF he was not thinking that he was a suspect, he would have nothing to preserve. He may simply be destroying drug-related info. I think the reports have not listed him as a suspect; just that they haven't ruled him out as one. That could be true for the entire neighborhood. They may all be in the process of "not being ruled out".

But at the time this occurred, even if he knew he was a suspect, what could he possibly have on his phone that clears him? A video of himself at the time of death showing he was eating in a McDonald's? When things are moving at real-life speed and a person thinks they need to cover something up, I don't think Hernandez is (if he is at all) the first person to ever do something and then say "Dang! I could have used that to help me more than hurt me in the grand scheme of things."

People are prone to overestimate things. In his mind it may have been as simple as "Hey, I didn't kill that guy. they will find the killer. But I know him well and they are going to want to come talk to me and my fiance's sister so I better ditch all this weed and the calls I made to buy (cause that's a felony to use the phone to get it) and the cameras showing me a Jill getting high." Sometimes it IS just that simple.

 

[KCitons]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

But wait, if he's not guilty, then the patriots are treating him unfairly. He's coming back from shoulder surgery and could use the assistance of the Pats medical staff.

BTW, this is sarcasm. (but their is some truth)

The medical staff isn't there. The coaches aren't there. The players aren't there. The Patriots aren't practicing. But they should let Hernandez walk around their facilities with helicopters and a media circus? Yeah, those bastards.

I'm sure the Pats facility has better equipment to rehab, than AH has at his home. Are other players allowed to use the team facility? Where the Pats reacting to the media reports of an arrest warrant being made.

As far as media circus, I give you exhibit A ------> TIM TEBOW.

So, basically you're saying you got nuttin', but still want to debate. Got it.

Did you read the post? Either the Patriots knew more than us about the situation (seems unlikely) or they are also passing judgement on Hernandez without cause. The whole reason for the helicopter and "white SUV" follow, was because of unfulfilled reports or arrest warrant being issued.

If they wanted to avoid a media circus at all costs, why would you bring in a player like Tebow.

I think those are pretty clear statements. If you can't understand those, then I can't help you.

 

[Concept Coop]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

But wait, if he's not guilty, then the patriots are treating him unfairly. He's coming back from shoulder surgery and could use the assistance of the Pats medical staff.

BTW, this is sarcasm. (but their is some truth)

The medical staff isn't there. The coaches aren't there. The players aren't there. The Patriots aren't practicing. But they should let Hernandez walk around their facilities with helicopters and a media circus? Yeah, those bastards.

I'm sure the Pats facility has better equipment to rehab, than AH has at his home. Are other players allowed to use the team facility? Where the Pats reacting to the media reports of an arrest warrant being made.

As far as media circus, I give you exhibit A ------> TIM TEBOW.

So, basically you're saying you got nuttin', but still want to debate. Got it.

Did you read the post? Either the Patriots knew more than us about the situation (seems unlikely) or they are also passing judgement on Hernandez without cause. The whole reason for the helicopter and "white SUV" follow, was because of unfulfilled reports or arrest warrant being issued.

If they wanted to avoid a media circus at all costs, why would you bring in a player like Tebow.

I think those are pretty clear statements. If you can't understand those, then I can't help you.

I think you're reaching here. We're talking about two very different kinds, and degrees of "Media circus". Surely we can understand why they might be more open to one than the other?

 

[ghostguy123]

Like everything else, it's probabilistic.

I think the odds are over 95% that Hernandez was present when someone was murdered and has scrambled to cover it up ever since.

Given that I've seen him trading for maybe 20-40 cents on the dollar (WAG) I think it's a no-brainer to get something for him while the getting is good.

But if you think there's a better than 30-40% chance he didn't do it or could beat the rap then it's probably best to hang on. Frankly that seems loopy to me, but there's all sorts in this world.

Zero percent chance I think he isnt involved.

Enough of a chance he gets off and maybe only misses a year of football to where I am not gonna sell for 10% of what his worth was two weeks ago.

People are loopy for thinking he has a realistic shot to get off??? I would say the people who are actually in charge of putting D-bags like him away in prison, and failing a decently high percentage of the time, are the loopy ones.

 

[ghostguy123]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

Wait, what? Do tell.

If he goes to the funeral, it will be a media circus, not to mention almost everyone there likely thinks he had something to do with it.

Therefore, whether he actually did or not, it would be absolutely inappropriate for him to go, and only appropriate to privately reach out to the family and anyone closely involved.

A funeral is about the deceased, not about Hernandez and the circus he would bring along with him.

Fair or unfair is irrelevant. If you know your presence is going to be a major disruption to a funeral (and it would be), you simply can not go.

 

[ghostguy123]

I think you're reaching here. We're talking about two very different kinds, and degrees of "Media circus". Surely we can understand why they might be more open to one than the other?

Not to mention the Tebow media cirus is dying down some, and NOBODY will be calling for Brady's head to get Tebow in there. The compare the two is super illogical.

 

[GregR]

Assuming the cleaning service was called on Monday rather than scheduled in advance...

The timing of the cleaning service coming on Monday suggests whoever called them probably knew about the murder, whether they were concealing murder evidence or something else like drug evidence. The body was found at 5:30pm. Add in an hour or two for cops to show up, do their initial work, ID the body, contact family to find out his last whereabouts. After which AH could have heard from Lloyd's family and friends, or definitely heard from police who showed up Monday night at his house.

If AH didn't know about the murder through his own involvement, he couldn't have learned about it from police or family until probably 6:30-7:30 pm. I don't know exactly what time the cleaning service came, but I kind of doubt it was that late in the evening. I want to say it was morning but I didn't find an article that gave a time. If the cleaning service was booked on Monday but before evening, it points a pretty clear picture that whoever called the cleaners was at least an accomplice to the murder.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Something the didn't get discussed a whole lot was the fact that a locksmith had to show up during the second search warrant.

This could be another charge of obstruction of justice. Who has a locked door, box, safe, whatever in their house and doesn't have a key?

I could see AH, telling the police that something is locked and he has no idea what is in/behind the lock.

No

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Likewise... if the phone and surveillance systems were killed off prior to Hernandez being contacted about the killing it adds even more weight to his being involved in the murder. Especially if they were 86ed at, say, 5am.

 

[steveski]

Assuming the cleaning service was called on Monday rather than scheduled in advance...

The timing of the cleaning service coming on Monday suggests whoever called them probably knew about the murder, whether they were concealing murder evidence or something else like drug evidence. The body was found at 5:30pm. Add in an hour or two for cops to show up, do their initial work, ID the body, contact family to find out his last whereabouts. After which AH could have heard from Lloyd's family and friends, or definitely heard from police who showed up Monday night at his house.

If AH didn't know about the murder through his own involvement, he couldn't have learned about it from police or family until probably 6:30-7:30 pm. I don't know exactly what time the cleaning service came, but I kind of doubt it was that late in the evening. I want to say it was morning but I didn't find an article that gave a time. If the cleaning service was booked on Monday but before evening, it points a pretty clear picture that whoever called the cleaners was at least an accomplice to the murder.

While I do agree with your assessment, it's far from hard evidence. I've called cleaning people before without murdering anybody and I'm sure he has too. No way he cleans that house himself.

 

[Shawn]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things. I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

If for no other reason because of the relationships. They are reported as being friends who had spent time with one another before the death. Police usually talk to those people. The victim was dating the sister of Hernandez's sister. I think it seems logical that they all spent time there so they might come to his house to talk to him OR the fiance OR the sister (seems logical that the sister might be distrught upon hearing the news and then goes to the house to be comforted by her sister). Just thoughts on how it works sometimes, I think. I once had a neighbor die. The cops talked to everyone in the neighborhood and did want to have a look inside the car of a friend of the neighbor.

But how would he have known this dude was murdered and the cops were coming, before they showed up?

It wasn't "in the news" until the cops did show up at his house already.

Hernandez apologists (i.e hopeful owners) are really stretching the bounds of logic with their defenses of him.

There is no other reason Hernandez would have destroyed his surveillance system, other than that he was covering his tracks. He wouldn't have felt the need to hide his other crimes, before he would have had any reason to know his friend was murdered.

. You must be on the search team? Because you must know more than the rest of us to say it is the only reason...

 

[KCitons]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

But wait, if he's not guilty, then the patriots are treating him unfairly. He's coming back from shoulder surgery and could use the assistance of the Pats medical staff.

BTW, this is sarcasm. (but their is some truth)

The medical staff isn't there. The coaches aren't there. The players aren't there. The Patriots aren't practicing. But they should let Hernandez walk around their facilities with helicopters and a media circus? Yeah, those bastards.

I'm sure the Pats facility has better equipment to rehab, than AH has at his home. Are other players allowed to use the team facility? Where the Pats reacting to the media reports of an arrest warrant being made.

As far as media circus, I give you exhibit A ------> TIM TEBOW.

So, basically you're saying you got nuttin', but still want to debate. Got it.

Did you read the post? Either the Patriots knew more than us about the situation (seems unlikely) or they are also passing judgement on Hernandez without cause. The whole reason for the helicopter and "white SUV" follow, was because of unfulfilled reports or arrest warrant being issued.

If they wanted to avoid a media circus at all costs, why would you bring in a player like Tebow.

I think those are pretty clear statements. If you can't understand those, then I can't help you.

I think you're reaching here. We're talking about two very different kinds, and degrees of "Media circus". Surely we can understand why they might be more open to one than the other?

Go back to my original response. I was and still am being sarcastic. It was in response to GhostGuy making the statement about being not guilty.

I fully understand why the Pats don't want him around. In fact, If I was his girlfriend or drinking buddy, I'm not sure I would feel comfortable being in the same room as AH.

 

[KCitons]

Something the didn't get discussed a whole lot was the fact that a locksmith had to show up during the second search warrant.

This could be another charge of obstruction of justice. Who has a locked door, box, safe, whatever in their house and doesn't have a key?

I could see AH, telling the police that something is locked and he has no idea what is in/behind the lock.

No

No? No to obstruction? Refusal to open a locked door, when covered in a warrant?

 

[PatsFanCT]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

Wait, what? Do tell.

If he goes to the funeral, it will be a media circus, not to mention almost everyone there likely thinks he had something to do with it.

Therefore, whether he actually did or not, it would be absolutely inappropriate for him to go, and only appropriate to privately reach out to the family and anyone closely involved.

A funeral is about the deceased, not about Hernandez and the circus he would bring along with him.

Fair or unfair is irrelevant. If you know your presence is going to be a major disruption to a funeral (and it would be), you simply can not go.

WTH are even basing the bolded part on?

They were friends. I don't know about you, but if my friend was murdered, I'd be at his funeral.

"Mrs. Lloyd. I know we're cool, because we know the whole murder situation, but I don't know if I should go to my buddies funeral because this ghostguy123 from the internet... do you know him? Well, he said it would be beyond inappropriate for me to attend."

 

[Phenix]

This thread has gotten ridiculous. All the info we have received is from the Media. Sometimes, just sometimes, they get info wrong and misinterpret it to us viewers all the time.

Wish I could say I'm shocked a man has not even been arrested yet with any hard evidence to even support a murder claim before he is guilty in the eyes of almost everyone. God Bless America.

Screw the innocent until proven guilty logic, right? Again, is he part of something? Who knows? Not many of us, that's for sure.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Something the didn't get discussed a whole lot was the fact that a locksmith had to show up during the second search warrant.

This could be another charge of obstruction of justice. Who has a locked door, box, safe, whatever in their house and doesn't have a key?

I could see AH, telling the police that something is locked and he has no idea what is in/behind the lock.

No

No? No to obstruction? Refusal to open a locked door, when covered in a warrant?

I don't know the laws of course, but would refusing to open a safe be considered obstruction of justice? They come in with a search warrant and he says "you got the right to search my house, but I don't have to unlock anything for you". Is that against the law?

Also, there were other people staying there. It may very well have been someone else's lock box and AH simply didn't have the key.

 

[Faust]

Patriots don’t need to act on Aaron Hernandez yet

 

[Faust]

Aaron Hernandez could be the poster boy for a league-wide SEC drug policy (Scarbinsky)

 

[KellysHeroes]

I'm sure the police know more than there letting on, but so far there isn't much of a case against AH.

Destroyed Security system - unless the police can prove it was destoried after the killing I don't think it'll hold up. It'll be claimed that it was destoried prior to the killing and unless tapes or harddrive is recovered I don't see how that can be poven otherwise.

Cleaning crew cleans the house monday morning - honestly, is a cleaning crew going to be able to remove forensic of a struggle prior to a murder? I really don't think so and if the cleaning crew is willing to testify that they didn't see anything out of the ordinary it will help his case rather than hurt it. Even if he did schedule the service Monday morning he can claim that he doesn't know anything about a murder and wanted his place cleaned while he goes to practice.

Destroyed Cell Phone - this is the one that can hurt if the phone was on his persons all that night and at the murder site. I know the GPS service "can be turned off" by the phone user but is it really? Some say and have proved that when u have a smart phone the GPS is never off even when select it to go off. As for breaking the phone, I doubt that he would take pics or videos of the murder unless he ###-taped it by accident, I agree w/ the point that the phone was busted up to protect him from other activities like drug use.

As for banning him from practices and training camp. The Pats can ban him but if theres no charges they'll have to pay him his wages and bonus hes entitled too as if he showed up, as much as I hate it the NFLPA will have to stick for AH as long as hes not officially charged. Even if he is charged he would still have a right to work until proven guilty.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Something the didn't get discussed a whole lot was the fact that a locksmith had to show up during the second search warrant.

This could be another charge of obstruction of justice. Who has a locked door, box, safe, whatever in their house and doesn't have a key?

I could see AH, telling the police that something is locked and he has no idea what is in/behind the lock.

No

No? No to obstruction? Refusal to open a locked door, when covered in a warrant?

His lawyer was present at the time the locksmith was called I believe? Sure he wouldn't instruct him to break the law.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Some one said it best on tv that if he is innocent, "he's doing it wrong".

 

[tombonneau]

The longer this is dragging out are we thinking it's better or worse for AH?

One thing that stood out to me is his lawyers yesterday feeling comfortable enough to call out the media for jumping the gun on "warrant for arrest imminent" story. This tells me that they are already entering Phase 1 of The Spin. If things were looking super grim for their camp I think they'd still need to be playing nice with the media as they need them. But if they are already starting to go on the attack I think this bodes well for AH which I find staggering.

 

[PatsFanCT]

As for banning him from practices and training camp. The Pats can ban him but if theres no charges they'll have to pay him his wages and bonus hes entitled too as if he showed up, as much as I hate it the NFLPA will have to stick for AH as long as hes not officially charged. Even if he is charged he would still have a right to work until proven guilty.

If this s*** drags on until training camp, I'll probably end up out of a job.

 

[GregR]

I'm sure the police know more than there letting on, but so far there isn't much of a case against AH.

Destroyed Security system - unless the police can prove it was destoried after the killing I don't think it'll hold up. It'll be claimed that it was destoried prior to the killing and unless tapes or harddrive is recovered I don't see how that can be poven otherwise.

Cleaning crew cleans the house monday morning - honestly, is a cleaning crew going to be able to remove forensic of a struggle prior to a murder? I really don't think so and if the cleaning crew is willing to testify that they didn't see anything out of the ordinary it will help his case rather than hurt it. Even if he did schedule the service Monday morning he can claim that he doesn't know anything about a murder and wanted his place cleaned while he goes to practice.

Destroyed Cell Phone - this is the one that can hurt if the phone was on his persons all that night and at the murder site. I know the GPS service "can be turned off" by the phone user but is it really? Some say and have proved that when u have a smart phone the GPS is never off even when select it to go off. As for breaking the phone, I doubt that he would take pics or videos of the murder unless he ###-taped it by accident, I agree w/ the point that the phone was busted up to protect him from other activities like drug use.

As for banning him from practices and training camp. The Pats can ban him but if theres no charges they'll have to pay him his wages and bonus hes entitled too as if he showed up, as much as I hate it the NFLPA will have to stick for AH as long as hes not officially charged. Even if he is charged he would still have a right to work until proven guilty.

I would imagine there would be logs of when the cell phone last connected to a cell tower. So the timing of its destruction could probably be determined.

Security system, if it's monitored they probably got an alert or error when the hard drive was destroyed that would establish timing. It might not be monitored though.

I agree that the media hasn't reported a lot of evidence that would support a murder charge. Some that might support an accessory after the fact. But I think his balls are probably in a sling over an obstruction charge. If it had been just the cleaning service, just the phone, or just the security system, he might get away with reasonable doubt. If all three are shown to have happened after the murder though, I think it would be hard convincing a jury it wasn't intentional obstruction.

 

[KCitons]

I'm sure the police know more than there letting on, but so far there isn't much of a case against AH.

Destroyed Security system - unless the police can prove it was destoried after the killing I don't think it'll hold up. It'll be claimed that it was destoried prior to the killing and unless tapes or harddrive is recovered I don't see how that can be poven otherwise.

Cleaning crew cleans the house monday morning - honestly, is a cleaning crew going to be able to remove forensic of a struggle prior to a murder? I really don't think so and if the cleaning crew is willing to testify that they didn't see anything out of the ordinary it will help his case rather than hurt it. Even if he did schedule the service Monday morning he can claim that he doesn't know anything about a murder and wanted his place cleaned while he goes to practice.

Destroyed Cell Phone - this is the one that can hurt if the phone was on his persons all that night and at the murder site. I know the GPS service "can be turned off" by the phone user but is it really? Some say and have proved that when u have a smart phone the GPS is never off even when select it to go off. As for breaking the phone, I doubt that he would take pics or videos of the murder unless he ###-taped it by accident, I agree w/ the point that the phone was busted up to protect him from other activities like drug use.

As for banning him from practices and training camp. The Pats can ban him but if theres no charges they'll have to pay him his wages and bonus hes entitled too as if he showed up, as much as I hate it the NFLPA will have to stick for AH as long as hes not officially charged. Even if he is charged he would still have a right to work until proven guilty.

I stopped reading after the first line.

Something the didn't get discussed a whole lot was the fact that a locksmith had to show up during the second search warrant.

This could be another charge of obstruction of justice. Who has a locked door, box, safe, whatever in their house and doesn't have a key?

I could see AH, telling the police that something is locked and he has no idea what is in/behind the lock.

No

No? No to obstruction? Refusal to open a locked door, when covered in a warrant?

His lawyer was present at the time the locksmith was called I believe? Sure he wouldn't instruct him to break the law.

What if he disposed of the key before the police and lawyer arrived?

 

[PatsFanCT]

The longer this is dragging out are we thinking it's better or worse for AH?

One thing that stood out to me is his lawyers yesterday feeling comfortable enough to call out the media for jumping the gun on "warrant for arrest imminent" story. This tells me that they are already entering Phase 1 of The Spin. If things were looking super grim for their camp I think they'd still need to be playing nice with the media as they need them. But if they are already starting to go on the attack I think this bodes well for AH which I find staggering.

I don't think it favors one way or the other. I think the police are doing this right. Take the time to gather all the evidence before making a a move too early and risk letting a killer walk. Not talking to the media is also a smart move, even if we hate it. Too many cases have been botched by bad police work looking to convict somebody too soon.

 

[Max Power]

Destroyed Cell Phone - this is the one that can hurt if the phone was on his persons all that night and at the murder site. I know the GPS service "can be turned off" by the phone user but is it really? Some say and have proved that when u have a smart phone the GPS is never off even when select it to go off. As for breaking the phone, I doubt that he would take pics or videos of the murder unless he ###-taped it by accident, I agree w/ the point that the phone was busted up to protect him from other activities like drug use.

as long as your phone is on it is "pinging" off a cell tower. It isn't as pin point as GPS, but can give police a general idea where someone was at whatever time. Since the crime scene and his house are so close, I doubt they could tell if he was at home or the crime scene based off tower data.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Destroyed Cell Phone - this is the one that can hurt if the phone was on his persons all that night and at the murder site. I know the GPS service "can be turned off" by the phone user but is it really? Some say and have proved that when u have a smart phone the GPS is never off even when select it to go off. As for breaking the phone, I doubt that he would take pics or videos of the murder unless he ###-taped it by accident, I agree w/ the point that the phone was busted up to protect him from other activities like drug use.

as long as your phone is on it is "pinging" off a cell tower. It isn't as pin point as GPS, but can give police a general idea where someone was at whatever time. Since the crime scene and his house are so close, I doubt they could tell if he was at home or the crime scene based off tower data.

Considering the distance between Hernandez' house and the body, it's probably pinging from the same tower.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Destroyed Cell Phone - this is the one that can hurt if the phone was on his persons all that night and at the murder site. I know the GPS service "can be turned off" by the phone user but is it really? Some say and have proved that when u have a smart phone the GPS is never off even when select it to go off. As for breaking the phone, I doubt that he would take pics or videos of the murder unless he ###-taped it by accident, I agree w/ the point that the phone was busted up to protect him from other activities like drug use.

as long as your phone is on it is "pinging" off a cell tower. It isn't as pin point as GPS, but can give police a general idea where someone was at whatever time. Since the crime scene and his house are so close, I doubt they could tell if he was at home or the crime scene based off tower data.

Considering the distance between Hernandez' house and the body, it's probably pinging from the same tower.

good points, didn't think of that

 

[Azhais]

This thread is impossible to read in mobile with all those quotes.

Nested quotes are the devil. Its hard to read on a full size monitor.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Question: The first time they knocked on his door, the cops did mention it was a murder investigation, right? And this was presumably before he destroyed his security camera and cellphone, right? So if he knew that they weren't looking for his stash of dope or porno mags, and the charge coming down was much more serious, why does he go and break his cameras and phone? I may have the timeline wrong, but that scenario just doesn't have any plausibility.

We are all doing so much speculation so who knows but I guess I'm the kind of guy that can see a scenario where a young man with a lot of fame and money might think of it as simply as "Man, if they come in here and see my huge stash of drugs, I'm going to lose my paycheck and get suspended and be forced into the drug program. And because I am a known sports star, they would probably make a big deal out of this."

Smashing the phone makes perfect sense to me because if the cops stumbled across stuff like that, they absolutely want to look at your phone records because if you do a drug deal via phone, you're in deep stuff. Remember, Jamal Lewis served time, not because of the drugs but because he commited a felony of using a communication device to traffic drugs across state lines.

I don't pretend to know any angle beyond guessing, just like the rest of you guys but I'm just saying keep a very open mind because there are MANY MANY other possible reasons other than "HE DID IT!"

Excellent, don't agree with it all but excellent.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things. I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

If for no other reason because of the relationships. They are reported as being friends who had spent time with one another before the death. Police usually talk to those people. The victim was dating the sister of Hernandez's sister. I think it seems logical that they all spent time there so they might come to his house to talk to him OR the fiance OR the sister (seems logical that the sister might be distrught upon hearing the news and then goes to the house to be comforted by her sister). Just thoughts on how it works sometimes, I think. I once had a neighbor die. The cops talked to everyone in the neighborhood and did want to have a look inside the car of a friend of the neighbor.

But how would he have known this dude was murdered and the cops were coming, before they showed up?

It wasn't "in the news" until the cops did show up at his house already.

Hernandez apologists (i.e hopeful owners) are really stretching the bounds of logic with their defenses of him.

There is no other reason Hernandez would have destroyed his surveillance system, other than that he was covering his tracks. He wouldn't have felt the need to hide his other crimes, before he would have had any reason to know his friend was murdered.

. You must be on the search team? Because you must know more than the rest of us to say it is the only reason...

I'm willing to listen to your thoughts on to why some one would destroy their home surveillance system.

 

[Sinn Fein]

:sigh: if he intentionally destroyed the surveillance system,and/or phone, it won't matter what he was trying to hide.

And, it would be foolish to "admit" he was hiding evidence of any illegal activity, which is tantamount to an admission of guilt.

 

[LuckyOne]

To me it would be more plausible if neighbors didn't hear a gunshot, he wasn't seen with the victim hours before his death, he wasn't placed in his car after the bar, a car rented to him wasn't found at the scene, he didn't hire a cleaning crew the following day, he didn't smash his surveillance system and he didn't smash his phone. It could all be just a lot of weird coincidences and there are 9 "plausible" explanations but taking a step back if it wasn't Hernandez that had millions of dollars and played professional football and just some John Doe who was a construction worker I think everyone would see this as an open and shut case.

The way I see it, if the info we have is all true the DA has enough to try him. They know he's not going to run, so they are going to make sure they get it right. And, I would be shocked if they aren't trying to iron out the details in info we aren't privy to. Also, because it is so high profile they are probably outsourcing to experts which takes more time. Murder investigations often don't begin with an arrest. It is a murder investigation and will most likely result in charges against one or more suspects. We just need to accept that we are all going to have to wait for the DA and the investigators.

 

[Faust]

Patriots don’t need to act on Aaron Hernandez yet

Rotoworld:

ESPN Boston wouldn't rule out the Patriots releasing Aaron Hernandez even if he avoids murder charges in the Odin Lloyd case.
Respected reporter Mike Reiss is just responding to a hypothetical in a mailbag column, but imagines the Pats "feel a bit betrayed by Hernandez after they made a big financial commitment to him just 10 months ago." NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported last week that the Patriots may not be able to recover Hernandez's guaranteed 2013-14 base salaries, which would obviously be a major factor in this scenario.


Source: ESPN Boston

 

[PatsFanCT]

To me it would be more plausible if neighbors didn't hear a gunshot, he wasn't seen with the victim hours before his death, he wasn't placed in his car after the bar, a car rented to him wasn't found at the scene, he didn't hire a cleaning crew the following day, he didn't smash his surveillance system and he didn't smash his phone. It could all be just a lot of weird coincidences and there are 9 "plausible" explanations but taking a step back if it wasn't Hernandez that had millions of dollars and played professional football and just some John Doe who was a construction worker I think everyone would see this as an open and shut case.

The way I see it, if the info we have is all true the DA has enough to try him. They know he's not going to run, so they are going to make sure they get it right. And, I would be shocked if they aren't trying to iron out the details in info we aren't privy to. Also, because it is so high profile they are probably outsourcing to experts which takes more time. Murder investigations often don't begin with an arrest. It is a murder investigation and will most likely result in charges against one or more suspects. We just need to accept that we are all going to have to wait for the DA and the investigators.

Try him for what?

 

[KCitons]

To me it would be more plausible if neighbors didn't hear a gunshot, he wasn't seen with the victim hours before his death, he wasn't placed in his car after the bar, a car rented to him wasn't found at the scene, he didn't hire a cleaning crew the following day, he didn't smash his surveillance system and he didn't smash his phone. It could all be just a lot of weird coincidences and there are 9 "plausible" explanations but taking a step back if it wasn't Hernandez that had millions of dollars and played professional football and just some John Doe who was a construction worker I think everyone would see this as an open and shut case.

The way I see it, if the info we have is all true the DA has enough to try him. They know he's not going to run, so they are going to make sure they get it right. And, I would be shocked if they aren't trying to iron out the details in info we aren't privy to. Also, because it is so high profile they are probably outsourcing to experts which takes more time. Murder investigations often don't begin with an arrest. It is a murder investigation and will most likely result in charges against one or more suspects. We just need to accept that we are all going to have to wait for the DA and the investigators.

Try him for what?

Tax evasion. AH is the new Al Capone.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Patriots don’t need to act on Aaron Hernandez yet

Rotoworld:

ESPN Boston wouldn't rule out the Patriots releasing Aaron Hernandez even if he avoids murder charges in the Odin Lloyd case.
Respected reporter Mike Reiss is just responding to a hypothetical in a mailbag column, but imagines the Pats "feel a bit betrayed by Hernandez after they made a big financial commitment to him just 10 months ago." NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported last week that the Patriots may not be able to recover Hernandez's guaranteed 2013-14 base salaries, which would obviously be a major factor in this scenario.


Source: ESPN Boston

Oh, well if ESPN Boston wouldn't rule it out, then it's probably going to happen.

 

[Hoosier16]

Patriots don’t need to act on Aaron Hernandez yet

Rotoworld:

ESPN Boston wouldn't rule out the Patriots releasing Aaron Hernandez even if he avoids murder charges in the Odin Lloyd case.
Respected reporter Mike Reiss is just responding to a hypothetical in a mailbag column, but imagines the Pats "feel a bit betrayed by Hernandez after they made a big financial commitment to him just 10 months ago." NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported last week that the Patriots may not be able to recover Hernandez's guaranteed 2013-14 base salaries, which would obviously be a major factor in this scenario.


Source: ESPN Boston

Damn. The Bengals could have used that 1st round pick on another position.

 

[Shawn]

This thread is impossible to read in mobile with all those quotes.

Nested quotes are the devil. Its hard to read on a full size monitor.

this is why I try to just select The part I'm responding to and delete the rest when it starts getting big

 

[Kit Fisto]

Since we're all playing the "what if" game, I thought I'd throw out a scenario no one has offered up...

We keep mentioning covering up drug use, and it's assumed that it's marijuana. What if it's steroids, HGH, etc.? What if his surveillance systems and phone records indicated he had contact with a pharmaceutical rep who was feeding him HGH as he recovers from his off-season shoulder surgery? With Gronk being dinged, maybe he saw this as his chance to get healthy for once and step out from Gronk's shadow. Does a first-time offense for performance-enhancing drugs draw a suspension? Maybe he's more afraid of Belichick and Goodell than he is the police.

AH: "Damn, now that XXX whacked my boy Odin, and since we were spotted together last night I'll definitely be questioned. Before they subpeona my phone records and videotapes, I'll destroy them. There's evidence of meetings/communications with my PED contact on them."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's innocent, or not knowledgable to what happened because WE DON'T KNOW, but just throwing out another option to WHAT exactly he might be covering up.

 

[Onions]

Something that makes little sense...

The pro-Hernandez folks are arguing that the security system/cell phone destruction was likely to hide evidence of a 'drug stash' and 'drug use', right?

You realize there is far less circumstantial evidence of that than there is of a possible connection to this murder, right?

I have no idea if Hernandez is or isn't involved with the death of Odin Lloyd (whether being directly involved, or involved in a cover-up)...

But I find it quite odd that those defending Hernandez are completely willing to fabricate a drug possession/use narrative to argue their viewpoint, especially when there is no evidence of that whatsoever.

 

[massraider]

Something that makes little sense...

The pro-Hernandez folks are arguing that the security system/cell phone destruction was likely to hide evidence of a 'drug stash' and 'drug use', right?

You realize there is far less circumstantial evidence of that than there is of a possible connection to this murder, right?

I have no idea if Hernandez is or isn't involved with the death of Odin Lloyd (whether being directly involved, or involved in a cover-up)...

But I find it quite odd that those defending Hernandez are completely willing to fabricate a drug possession/use narrative to argue their viewpoint, especially when there is no evidence of that whatsoever.

there are two or three guys that need to just stop posting.

 

[massraider]

Something that makes little sense...

The pro-Hernandez folks are arguing that the security system/cell phone destruction was likely to hide evidence of a 'drug stash' and 'drug use', right?

You realize there is far less circumstantial evidence of that than there is of a possible connection to this murder, right?

I have no idea if Hernandez is or isn't involved with the death of Odin Lloyd (whether being directly involved, or involved in a cover-up)...

But I find it quite odd that those defending Hernandez are completely willing to fabricate a drug possession/use narrative to argue their viewpoint, especially when there is no evidence of that whatsoever.

there are two or three guys that need to just stop posting.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Something that makes little sense...

The pro-Hernandez folks are arguing that the security system/cell phone destruction was likely to hide evidence of a 'drug stash' and 'drug use', right?

You realize there is far less circumstantial evidence of that than there is of a possible connection to this murder, right?

I have no idea if Hernandez is or isn't involved with the death of Odin Lloyd (whether being directly involved, or involved in a cover-up)...

But I find it quite odd that those defending Hernandez are completely willing to fabricate a drug possession/use narrative to argue their viewpoint, especially when there is no evidence of that whatsoever.

Nobody is defending Hernandez. Why do people keep saying that? Everybody is making assumptions, some of us are looking at it in a "maybe he's innocent" view, while most are looking at it in a "he's guilty" view.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Something that makes little sense...

The pro-Hernandez folks are arguing that the security system/cell phone destruction was likely to hide evidence of a 'drug stash' and 'drug use', right?

You realize there is far less circumstantial evidence of that than there is of a possible connection to this murder, right?

I have no idea if Hernandez is or isn't involved with the death of Odin Lloyd (whether being directly involved, or involved in a cover-up)...

But I find it quite odd that those defending Hernandez are completely willing to fabricate a drug possession/use narrative to argue their viewpoint, especially when there is no evidence of that whatsoever.

there are two or three guys that need to just stop posting.

You can say that again.

 

[msommer]

To me it would be more plausible if neighbors didn't hear a gunshot, he wasn't seen with the victim hours before his death, he wasn't placed in his car after the bar, a car rented to him wasn't found at the scene, he didn't hire a cleaning crew the following day, he didn't smash his surveillance system and he didn't smash his phone. It could all be just a lot of weird coincidences and there are 9 "plausible" explanations but taking a step back if it wasn't Hernandez that had millions of dollars and played professional football and just some John Doe who was a construction worker I think everyone would see this as an open and shut case.

The way I see it, if the info we have is all true the DA has enough to try him. They know he's not going to run, so they are going to make sure they get it right. And, I would be shocked if they aren't trying to iron out the details in info we aren't privy to. Also, because it is so high profile they are probably outsourcing to experts which takes more time. Murder investigations often don't begin with an arrest. It is a murder investigation and will most likely result in charges against one or more suspects. We just need to accept that we are all going to have to wait for the DA and the investigators.

Try him for what?

That is a good question.

Obstruction of justice - what standard of evidence is there that the prosecutor should prove beyond reasonable doubt that something on the phone or the surveillance system was pertinent to the murder? This would be very important I would think.

Murder - They did not go home together - I suppose you can arrest me on Saturday night if he couple I am driving home from my niece's wedding don't make it all the way either... I suppose the cleaners have been thoroughly questioned and had there been bloody footprints or what not that would weigh in as well (also in the possible obstruction charges).

Clearly the cops and prosecutors have the overview of what evidence has been found and we don't. That they haven't arrested AH is somewhat positive but absolutely doesn't mean he is in the clear. We are absolutely not going to be fed all the evidence before any possble grand jury/trial.

All we can do is speculate.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

there are two or three guys that need to just stop posting.

There is one guy that needs to stop posting twice.

 

[Hoosier16]

Something that makes little sense...

The pro-Hernandez folks are arguing that the security system/cell phone destruction was likely to hide evidence of a 'drug stash' and 'drug use', right?

You realize there is far less circumstantial evidence of that than there is of a possible connection to this murder, right?

I have no idea if Hernandez is or isn't involved with the death of Odin Lloyd (whether being directly involved, or involved in a cover-up)...

But I find it quite odd that those defending Hernandez are completely willing to fabricate a drug possession/use narrative to argue their viewpoint, especially when there is no evidence of that whatsoever.

Nobody is defending Hernandez. Why do people keep saying that? Everybody is making assumptions, some of us are looking at it in a "maybe he's innocent" view, while most are looking at it in a "he's guilty" view.

His point was that even those defending him weren't assuming innocence. They are arguing he was innocent of one crime because he was guilty of another - one in which there is absolutely no evidence.

 

[Max Power]

I'm sure the detectives are still piecing together the night. And for as damaged as his cell phone and security system are, I bet there is still some data that will be saved from them. The detectives still need to get that info. Not to mention his providers have a lot of the critical info on file. At the very least, he is probably going to be guilty of obstruction.