Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (3 Viewers)

[kjtocool]

I put the odds at him playing a down of football ever again at less than 10%. His value is in utter ruin, deservedly so.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

What's Hernandez contract? Think he clears waivers?

That IS an awesome quesiton. How crazy would that be that one team takes the moral high road and another scoops him up? geez.

I can't believe there are people wasting 4 out of their 5 brain cells even thinking another team will pick him up! There's as good of a chance that the Catholic Church contacts him asking him to join the priesthood as Hernandez getting signed by an NFL team during waivers or ever again!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

PatsFanCT - where are you? I hope you are all right this morning.

I'm right here Bud. This really isn't a surprising development, is it?

I think the Pats releasing him without letting more of the process play out is surprising to a lot of us.

 

[unckeyherb]

Regarding his release............

Here's the full statement from the team:

"A young man was murdered last week and we extend our sympathies to the family and friends who mourn his loss. Words cannot express the disappointment we feel knowing that one of our players was arrested as a result of this investigation. We realize that law enforcement investigations into this matter are ongoing. We support their efforts and respect the process. At this time, we believe this transaction is simply the right thing to do."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/patriots-cut-aaron-hernandez-after-arrest-2013-6#ixzz2XKiBea9H

wow, I wonder if someone in their organization is privy to the charges and they are pre-emptively making this move?

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I put the odds at him playing a down of football ever again at less than 1%. His value is in utter ruin, deservedly so.

Corrected.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

What's Hernandez contract? Think he clears waivers?

That IS an awesome quesiton. How crazy would that be that one team takes the moral high road and another scoops him up? geez.

I can't believe there are people wasting 4 out of their 5 brain cells even thinking another team will pick him up! There's as good of a chance that the Catholic Church contacts him asking him to join the priesthood as Hernandez getting signed by an NFL team during waivers or ever again!

If he somehow comes out of the legal process somewhat clean, many teams would be vying for his services. Right now, you're right that nobody is going to claim him.

 

[jurb26]

PatsFanCT - where are you? I hope you are all right this morning.

I'm right here Bud. This really isn't a surprising development, is it?

I think the Pats releasing him without letting more of the process play out is surprising to a lot of us.

It's very surprising seeing that charges have not been announced yet. I figured that would be the time NE made that decision. I agree with e others who think NE already knows something.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Wonder if the release has anything to do with the report from a few days ago that there was another NFL player mixed up in this. If a media outlet had heard that you'd think the Pats did too. Maybe they had access to that player and got insight into more info?

Wild-eyed speculation is fun!

 

[QuizGuy66]

So Hernandez owners must be excitrd to see that he's been released without even having to post bail.
-QG

*ugh - this is why I shouldn't try using the board via phone*

 

[tombonneau]

I put the odds at him playing a down of football ever again at less than 10%. His value is in utter ruin, deservedly so.

Agree. Couldn't believe people in this thread thought he had a chance to play THIS year. His life is over.

 

[Max Power]

PatsFanCT - where are you? I hope you are all right this morning.

I'm right here Bud. This really isn't a surprising development, is it?

I think the Pats releasing him without letting more of the process play out is surprising to a lot of us.

It is. As others have pointed out, they must know something.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

What's Hernandez contract? Think he clears waivers?

That IS an awesome quesiton. How crazy would that be that one team takes the moral high road and another scoops him up? geez.

I can't believe there are people wasting 4 out of their 5 brain cells even thinking another team will pick him up! There's as good of a chance that the Catholic Church contacts him asking him to join the priesthood as Hernandez getting signed by an NFL team during waivers or ever again!

hyperbole. This is a practical question. FTR, I think Hernandez is guilt as sin and going to playing out his years in the penal league. But as a hypothetical, assuming Goodell slaps him with a 4 game suspension, the court process could well drag on for over a year before he's damned in court. That could open up a window for a team to scoop him up on the cheap on a 12 game rental.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Breaking News: The Patriots tried to call Aaron Hernandez to tell him about his release, but apparently something was wrong with his mobile phone.

 

[PatsFanCT]

PatsFanCT - where are you? I hope you are all right this morning.

I'm right here Bud. This really isn't a surprising development, is it?

I think the Pats releasing him without letting more of the process play out is surprising to a lot of us.

Yes, you're right. I guess that part was a bit surprising.

 

[GroveDiesel]

PatsFanCT - where are you? I hope you are all right this morning.

Now that Hernandez is no longer a Patriot, PatsFanCT thinks he's guilty and should get the chair.

 

[HellToupee]

Hernandez has been released by the Patriots

Must have found a way to void the guaranteed salary.

They better hope so because its 10 mil dead $ over two years

 

[GroveDiesel]

What's Hernandez contract? Think he clears waivers?

That IS an awesome quesiton. How crazy would that be that one team takes the moral high road and another scoops him up? geez.

I can't believe there are people wasting 4 out of their 5 brain cells even thinking another team will pick him up! There's as good of a chance that the Catholic Church contacts him asking him to join the priesthood as Hernandez getting signed by an NFL team during waivers or ever again!

hyperbole. This is a practical question. FTR, I think Hernandez is guilt as sin and going to playing out his years in the penal league. But as a hypothetical, assuming Goodell slaps him with a 4 game suspension, the court process could well drag on for over a year before he's damned in court. That could open up a window for a team to scoop him up on the cheap on a 12 game rental.

No way Goodell lets him play until this whole thing plays out.

 

[steveski]

Breaking News: The Patriots tried to call Aaron Hernandez to tell him about his release, but apparently something was wrong with his mobile phone.

 

[HellToupee]

What's Hernandez contract? Think he clears waivers?

That IS an awesome quesiton. How crazy would that be that one team takes the moral high road and another scoops him up? geez.

I can't believe there are people wasting 4 out of their 5 brain cells even thinking another team will pick him up! There's as good of a chance that the Catholic Church contacts him asking him to join the priesthood as Hernandez getting signed by an NFL team during waivers or ever again!

hyperbole. This is a practical question. FTR, I think Hernandez is guilt as sin and going to playing out his years in the penal league. But as a hypothetical, assuming Goodell slaps him with a 4 game suspension, the court process could well drag on for over a year before he's damned in court. That could open up a window for a team to scoop him up on the cheap on a 12 game rental.

I don't think you get what is happening here.

 

[biju]

PatsFanCT - where are you? I hope you are all right this morning.

Now that Hernandez is no longer a Patriot, PatsFanCT thinks he's guilty and should get the chair.

 

[Banger]

What's Hernandez contract? Think he clears waivers?

That IS an awesome quesiton. How crazy would that be that one team takes the moral high road and another scoops him up? geez.

no chance until this is resolved.

 

[cstu]

Within days of draft, Hernandez threatened Welker

Posted by Darin Gantt on June 21, 2013, 10:07 AM EDT

AP

Stories continue to accumulate about the signs in Aaron Hernandez’s background, stories that paint a more complete if complicated picture about his character.

And according to the Boston Globe, he flashed a temper and made threats to one of the Patriots’ respected veterans within days of arriving for work.

In an anecdote near the bottom of a longer report, it was mentioned that Hernandez was at the team facility trying to watch film, when he grew frustrated at not being able to operate the equipment. Wide receiver Wes Welker walked by, Hernandez asked for help, and Welker replied: “Rookie, you figure it out.”

According to the report, Hernandez “responded with expletives.”

The Globe being a family publication, didn’t expound, but one of their reporters did on Twitter.

According to Shalise Manza Young, Hernandez’s reply was “f— you Wes, I’ll f— you up!“

While rookies getting their backs up with veterans is not an uncommon act, the threat within a few days of being drafted was unusual, and as was noted, it was not said in a joking manner.

It was also reported in the newspaper that Hernandez spent “little, if any time with his Patriots teammates off the field,” preferring to surround himself with friends from his old neighborhood.

Taken on its own, the story might not be that big of a deal, especially within the legal context of “innocent until proven guilty.”

But coupled with everything else we’ve learned about Hernandez this week, it adds to the pile of anecdotal evidence which is becoming harder to ignore.

He did it, or was there for it, and was involved. I highly doubt anyone doubts this.

Just a matter of what they can actually prove, and who they can actually prove did it. And since this is a fantasy football forum and I don;t care to discuss what I think should happen to the guy and have no affiliation to him whatsoever outside of fantasy football, I will go ahead and say I feel halfway confident he WILL play again, and a halfway decent chance he sees no jail time and plays by 2014.

Nobody is drafting him in redraft.

And since this is a FF forum for the most part and there are many dynasty owners/buyers/sellers of Hern on here, my feeling is he still retains a good chunk of his value. I would't sell low. I wouldnt pay through the nose but would still give a later 1st this year or projected late 1st next year.

I personally put the success rate of mid-late 1st rounders about the same as I put the chances or hernandez playing again the next 2 years. And since I know he is a very good player, he is my preference.

Now?

 

[PatsFanCT]

What's Hernandez contract? Think he clears waivers?

That IS an awesome quesiton. How crazy would that be that one team takes the moral high road and another scoops him up? geez.

I can't believe there are people wasting 4 out of their 5 brain cells even thinking another team will pick him up! There's as good of a chance that the Catholic Church contacts him asking him to join the priesthood as Hernandez getting signed by an NFL team during waivers or ever again!

hyperbole. This is a practical question. FTR, I think Hernandez is guilt as sin and going to playing out his years in the penal league. But as a hypothetical, assuming Goodell slaps him with a 4 game suspension, the court process could well drag on for over a year before he's damned in court. That could open up a window for a team to scoop him up on the cheap on a 12 game rental.

Exactly. And if he is only charged with Obstruction of justice, I'm sure more than a couple of teams will take a flyer on him.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld's take:

Patriots waived TE Aaron Hernandez.
The Patriots clearly have no faith that Hernandez will be exonerated following his Wednesday morning arrest. They're willing to eat a ton of money in bonuses and guaranteed base salaries, and will be facing roughly $10 million in dead money against the salary cap over the next two seasons. The Pats are also left with perhaps the weakest group of pass-catchers in the entire NFL. Their statement: "A young man was murdered last week and we extend our sympathies to the family and friends who mourn his loss. Words cannot express the disappointment we feel knowing that one of our players was arrested as a result of this investigation. We realize that law enforcement investigations into this matter are ongoing. We support their efforts and respect the process. At this time, we believe this transaction is simply the right thing to do." Hernandez is now subject to waivers, meaning any team can submit a claim by 4 p.m. Thursday. We'd be shocked if anyone does.

 

[PatsFanCT]

PatsFanCT - where are you? I hope you are all right this morning.

Now that Hernandez is no longer a Patriot, PatsFanCT thinks he's guilty and should get the chair.

Link?

 

[Anarchy99]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

 

[PatsFanCT]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld (with the State Police twitter link for those who want to follow it):

Massachusetts State Police will not be releasing the charge against Aaron Hernandez until his arraignment later Wednesday.
Hernandez was taken to the North Attleboro Police station to be booked. He will then be brought to the Attleboro District Court for his arraignment. At that point, the charge will be presented to the court and become public knowledge. A press conference from the district attorney will follow, meaning we'll finally have some answers in this case. The body of Olin Lloyd was found murdered roughly a mile from Hernandez's home nine days ago. Lloyd was reportedly dating the sister of the mother of Hernandez's daughter.


Source: Mass State Police on Twitter

 

[moleculo]

Rotoworld's take:

Patriots waived TE Aaron Hernandez.
The Patriots clearly have no faith that Hernandez will be exonerated following his Wednesday morning arrest. They're willing to eat a ton of money in bonuses and guaranteed base salaries, and will be facing roughly $10 million in dead money against the salary cap over the next two seasons. The Pats are also left with perhaps the weakest group of pass-catchers in the entire NFL. Their statement: "A young man was murdered last week and we extend our sympathies to the family and friends who mourn his loss. Words cannot express the disappointment we feel knowing that one of our players was arrested as a result of this investigation. We realize that law enforcement investigations into this matter are ongoing. We support their efforts and respect the process. At this time, we believe this transaction is simply the right thing to do." Hernandez is now subject to waivers, meaning any team can submit a claim by 4 p.m. Thursday. We'd be shocked if anyone does.

this. I was just about to point out the fact that the Pats would rather eat the dead money penalty than deal with the AH saga. It could have played out differently - they could have kept him on the roster and then cut him when he was unable to report to camp (due to incarceration), which would have allowed them to recoup some pro-rated signing bonus and cap space.

Looking @ spotrac, AH counts as $3.37M vs the cap in dead money this year and $6.7M next year. I assume that's because he was cut after June 1st.

 

[biju]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?

Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.

 

[cstu]

PatsFanCT - where are you? I hope you are all right this morning.

Now that Hernandez is no longer a Patriot, PatsFanCT thinks he's guilty and should get the chair.

Link?

Did Hernandez kill your sense of humor too?

 

[PatsFanCT]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?

Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.

Yeah, I highly doubt that. They wouldn't risk any details being released.

 

[Anarchy99]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?

Pats could have contacts in the police force or the courts. Or they could have been communicating with Hernandez and his attorneys directly. If they wouldn't talk to them or take their calls, then maybe they were sick of it and opted to throw him overboard. Or they didn't like what they were hearing. Maybe Hernandez was incontact with friends from the team. Who knows? But it seems like they know more than the rest of us do.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I posted earlier that I'd stay away from him just because he had murky waters to navigate through-- the legal issues being one, tyrant commishioner being two, and the Patriots being three. What happened today is that his legal woes are basically beginning, and the Pats already dropped him. Best case scenario, he still has a major legal battle to hurdle, and he still would need to pass through the wrath of goddell. Unfortunately for Hernandez--I do think the tapes of him leaving his house in handcuffs--being aired on basically every television network-- is a giant black eye for the league--which is probably not good when it comes to the commish. This is just my opinion, but I do think Aarons lawyers should have proactively motivated Aarron to take himself to the police department before they could arrest him at his media covered house. From a fantasy perspective, he's a roll of the dice in dynasty leagues at best at this point.

 

[GregR]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?

I think the Patriots security personnel probably have a good relationship with local police including probably having a few who were former state cops or FBI, and can probably get info through back channels.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Another attorney chimes in on the perp walk:

We still don't know everything about the Wednesday morning arrest of Aaron Hernandez, but practicing defense attorney Harvey Steinberg told NFL Network's "NFL AM" he was surprised by how police went about taking the former New England Patriots tight end into custody.

"If it was simply an obstruction (of justice) charge, one would have called his lawyers, and said, 'Look, bring him to the courthouse, surrender him at 9:30 a.m., we'll have an advisement, we'll set bond immediately," Steinberg said. "But instead, they sent (nine) officers over in suits, they had a couple cruisers, and they drove him away, and they made a big show. Now, that's a little unusual for a charge that's not that serious -- I mean it's a serious charge, but nowhere as serious as a murder case."

Said Steinberg, who doesn't represent Hernandez, but has represented NFL players in past court cases: "The fact that they did it the way they did it, suggests to me it's going to be a very, very serious situation. Otherwise, they needlessly humiliated Mr. Hernandez in front of the media. They knew the media was there, and they made a big show by coming over and doing it the way they did. One wouldn't think they would have done this for obstruction."

 

[GregR]

I put the odds at him playing a down of football ever again at less than 10%. His value is in utter ruin, deservedly so.

Pretty sure I saw that Mean Machine tight end Nate Scorboro is out for the season. So they might be interested in Hernandez.

 

[steveski]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?

Pats could have contacts in the police force or the courts. Or they could have been communicating with Hernandez and his attorneys directly. If they wouldn't talk to them or take their calls, then maybe they were sick of it and opted to throw him overboard. Or they didn't like what they were hearing. Maybe Hernandez was incontact with friends from the team. Who knows? But it seems like they know more than the rest of us do.

I think not cooperating had a lot to do with it. If you're being investigated for something as serious as murder and you weren't involved but you're not cooperating, you're doing it wrong.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

This is what I have been saying for awhile - the NFL was going to do its own investigation into all of these recent allegations surrounding Hernandez. The release could be the result of multiple issues.

I think AH knew what was coming when he sent his dog home with the girlfriend - definitely had the vibe of getting his affairs in order.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Just incredible. Hernandez headlines what has been a pretty turbulent off season for many players. No team is going to pick him up and I doubt Roger will even have to make a formal announcement although he could permanently suspend Hernandez but usually the law overrides and the Commish doesn't really have to say much.

A lot of good little notes and posts in this thread, seems like the SP was a step ahead of where a lot of other media outlets were reporting, nice job SP.

 

[Banemorth]

Obligatory "I told you so" post for all of us saying he'd never play another down of football.

Incoming "U NVR NO HE MITE STILL GET OFF & PLAY 4 DA RAIDERZ OR BENGALZ" posts.

 

[Bob Magaw]

this thread has become too sprawling for me to read everything to date...

some investigation questions (which could bear on potential escalation from obstruction to murder charges)...

does he have a registered weapon/s?

is it same caliber used in execution?

is it missing?

 

[squistion]

ghostguy -> please do everyone a favor and stop.

May as well. hernandez is going to prison, football career over.

Good call.

 

[Ksquared]

I also think the NFL security (with all their ex-FBI and law enforcement personnel) have been investigating this intensely in the past week. The NFL has also probably had a file from investigations on the other past allegations. Kraft could have gotten enough info from them to cut ties. It does not necessarily have to be the local police. I also think the NFL security may get people to talk "off the record" where the same people would not "snitch" to the police.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

wow Cut and arrested in the same day

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?

Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.

Snowden was listening to calls. He told Putin, who told Kraft. Simple!

 

[HellToupee]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?

I think the Patriots security personnel probably have a good relationship with local police including probably having a few who were former state cops or FBI, and can probably get info through back channels.

ExactlyMost NFL security is exlaw enforcement with deep ties

 

[cstu]

Another attorney chimes in on the perp walk:

We still don't know everything about the Wednesday morning arrest of Aaron Hernandez, but practicing defense attorney Harvey Steinberg told NFL Network's "NFL AM" he was surprised by how police went about taking the former New England Patriots tight end into custody.

"If it was simply an obstruction (of justice) charge, one would have called his lawyers, and said, 'Look, bring him to the courthouse, surrender him at 9:30 a.m., we'll have an advisement, we'll set bond immediately," Steinberg said. "But instead, they sent (nine) officers over in suits, they had a couple cruisers, and they drove him away, and they made a big show. Now, that's a little unusual for a charge that's not that serious -- I mean it's a serious charge, but nowhere as serious as a murder case."

Said Steinberg, who doesn't represent Hernandez, but has represented NFL players in past court cases: "The fact that they did it the way they did it, suggests to me it's going to be a very, very serious situation. Otherwise, they needlessly humiliated Mr. Hernandez in front of the media. They knew the media was there, and they made a big show by coming over and doing it the way they did. One wouldn't think they would have done this for obstruction."

Someone has to be charged with murder and all signs point to Hernandez being one of the three suspects. I'd charge him with both murder and obstruction.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Oh and props to the Pats for doing the right thing no matter what the outcome of AH and his pending trial. They owned up to Hernandez immediately and washed their hands of him. Tebow signs and then Hernandez permanently gets kicked off the team. Let's keep track of any other Pats players. I better watch out or else I might get Tebowed.

 

[GregR]

Mark Sanchez sure picked the right day to have go viral a video of him dancing naked-### with two women.