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Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (3 Viewers)

The other point about the Pats that I forgot to mention. It has been reported (maybe speculated being a better choice of words here) that the Pats have a longer rap sheet of incidents than the rest of us did until recently and that they did their due diligence prior to drafting him and again prior to extending him. I think they have already had experience digging up dirt on him or having some third party investigation on what he's been up to. I hear they looked into stuff he was into even as far back as high school. If anyone has a "big picture" on Hernandez, it's the Patriots (who clearly at this point regret extending him for big money).

 
wow, just woke up to all the news :coffee: . The police must really be ready to nail him for the Pats just cut him loose. Very classy move from a team thats always had its class questioned. I wonder how many other teams would just outright cut a player with AH's skills? But the pats proved a point here, doesn't matter who you are if you f up you can be replaced.

 
It's possible the Patriots know more about the investigate. It's also possible that they don't but they know enough between what's come out already, the fact of other incidents, and what they already may know about him from his time with the team.

I was curious about how long it took the Panthers to cut Rae Carruth and it was actually a few days after he became a fugitive. Patriots were much quicker here.

-QG

 
Will be very interesting to see if the other two guys are similarly being arrested. If not, is it due to a lack of evidence on them? Or are they cooperating and fingering AH? Or something else?

 
Will be very interesting to see if the other two guys are similarly being arrested. If not, is it due to a lack of evidence on them? Or are they cooperating and fingering AH? Or something else?
Still amazing after all this time that the only names we have for these guys is suspect 2 and suspect 3.

-QG

 
Will be very interesting to see if the other two guys are similarly being arrested. If not, is it due to a lack of evidence on them? Or are they cooperating and fingering AH? Or something else?
I have been wondering this myself. Nothing seems to be mentioned about the other two. Have their names even been released? It is like they disappeared after being taken from Hernandez residence.

Lol, beat me to it.

 
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Just incredible. Hernandez headlines what has been a pretty turbulent off season for many players. No team is going to pick him up and I doubt Roger will even have to make a formal announcement although he could permanently suspend Hernandez but usually the law overrides and the Commish doesn't really have to say much.

A lot of good little notes and posts in this thread, seems like the SP was a step ahead of where a lot of other media outlets were reporting, nice job SP.
Definitely MOP.

 
Rotoworld:

The Patriots are expected to try to avoid paying Aaron Hernandez the remainder of his guaranteed base salaries.
Just before last season started, Hernandez signed a seven-year, $41.115 million contract. It included a $12.5 million signing bonus and fully guaranteed base salaries of $1.323 million in 2013 and $1.137 in 2014. Hernandez is scheduled to count $4.073 million against the cap this year and $8.637 million next season. If the Patriots can find a way to block the guaranteed money Hernandez is owed, that cap charge could be reduced. Still, it doesn't look like money is the issue here. Hernandez could be facing a very, very serious criminal charge.


Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
 
Just realized, I am going to need to fix the rules in our salary cap league. We have a specific rule for retiring players and deceased players in regards to salary cap penalty. But, not for a life in prison.

 
Defense attorney: Aaron Hernandez arrest a 'big show'

By Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

We still don't know everything about the Wednesday morning arrest of Aaron Hernandez, but practicing defense attorney Harvey Steinberg told NFL Network's "NFL AM" he was surprised by how police went about taking the former New England Patriots tight end into custody.

"If it was simply an obstruction (of justice) charge, one would have called his lawyers, and said, 'Look, bring him to the courthouse, surrender him at 9:30 a.m., we'll have an advisement, we'll set bond immediately," Steinberg said. "But instead, they sent (nine) officers over in suits, they had a couple cruisers, and they drove him away, and they made a big show. Now, that's a little unusual for a charge that's not that serious -- I mean it's a serious charge, but nowhere as serious as a murder case."

Said Steinberg, who doesn't represent Hernandez, but has represented NFL players in past court cases: "The fact that they did it the way they did it, suggests to me it's going to be a very, very serious situation. Otherwise, they needlessly humiliated Mr. Hernandez in front of the media. They knew the media was there, and they made a big show by coming over and doing it the way they did. One wouldn't think they would have done this for obstruction."

Hernandez is scheduled to appear late Wednesday morning at the Attleboro District Court for arraignment, where he'll learn the charges against him.

The Patriots aren't waiting around to find out. New England released the 23-year-old pass-catcher just hours after his arrest.

Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL.
 
Just incredible. Hernandez headlines what has been a pretty turbulent off season for many players. No team is going to pick him up and I doubt Roger will even have to make a formal announcement although he could permanently suspend Hernandez but usually the law overrides and the Commish doesn't really have to say much.

A lot of good little notes and posts in this thread, seems like the SP was a step ahead of where a lot of other media outlets were reporting, nice job SP.
Definitely MOP.
Someone help me out, what does that mean?

 
So the forum was wrong to discuss whether the evidence we knew of made AH look guilty. Because "he's innocent until proven guilty" and "you can't be judge, jury and executioner". Despite said discussion not having any impact on AH.

But not a single post about how horrible the Patriots are for depriving him of his job when he hasn't been proven guilty yet?

 
So the forum was wrong to discuss whether the evidence we knew of made AH look guilty. Because "he's innocent until proven guilty" and "you can't be judge, jury and executioner". Despite said discussion not having any impact on AH.

But not a single post about how horrible the Patriots are for depriving him of his job when he hasn't been proven guilty yet?
I brought it up a couple days ago. How could the Pats keep him from rehabbing at the facility.

But then most people ignore my posts.

 
So the forum was wrong to discuss whether the evidence we knew of made AH look guilty. Because "he's innocent until proven guilty" and "you can't be judge, jury and executioner". Despite said discussion not having any impact on AH.

But not a single post about how horrible the Patriots are for depriving him of his job when he hasn't been proven guilty yet?
Hmmm. I can't figure out what bait you're using here.

 
So the forum was wrong to discuss whether the evidence we knew of made AH look guilty. Because "he's innocent until proven guilty" and "you can't be judge, jury and executioner". Despite said discussion not having any impact on AH.

But not a single post about how horrible the Patriots are for depriving him of his job when he hasn't been proven guilty yet?
:goodposting: Being arrested changes everything... :lmao:

 
Rotoworld:

The Patriots are expected to try to avoid paying Aaron Hernandez the remainder of his guaranteed base salaries.
Just before last season started, Hernandez signed a seven-year, $41.115 million contract. It included a $12.5 million signing bonus and fully guaranteed base salaries of $1.323 million in 2013 and $1.137 in 2014. Hernandez is scheduled to count $4.073 million against the cap this year and $8.637 million next season. If the Patriots can find a way to block the guaranteed money Hernandez is owed, that cap charge could be reduced. Still, it doesn't look like money is the issue here. Hernandez could be facing a very, very serious criminal charge.


Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
They will not pay the future guaranteed money.

If Hernandez wants the money, he can sue the Patriots and try convincing a jury that they breached the contract before he did. Good luck. There might be a settlement for more than zero, but it won't be for close to the full amount.

(And if he's suspended by Goodell, the whole thing may be moot. Players don't get game checks for games they miss while they are suspended, even if their salary was guaranteed. I'm not sure how that works, though, for a player who's already been released.)

 
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So the forum was wrong to discuss whether the evidence we knew of made AH look guilty. Because "he's innocent until proven guilty" and "you can't be judge, jury and executioner". Despite said discussion not having any impact on AH.

But not a single post about how horrible the Patriots are for depriving him of his job when he hasn't been proven guilty yet?
I brought it up a couple days ago. How could the Pats keep him from rehabbing at the facility.

But then most people ignore my posts.
As for this post, the Pats were not depriving him of a paycheck, so I believe they could send him home without any penalty.

As for the Pats cutting him, any team can cut a player at any time without cause or explanation. It's part of the system and the CBA. They don't even need to give a reason.

 
Rotoworld:

The Patriots are expected to try to avoid paying Aaron Hernandez the remainder of his guaranteed base salaries.
Just before last season started, Hernandez signed a seven-year, $41.115 million contract. It included a $12.5 million signing bonus and fully guaranteed base salaries of $1.323 million in 2013 and $1.137 in 2014. Hernandez is scheduled to count $4.073 million against the cap this year and $8.637 million next season. If the Patriots can find a way to block the guaranteed money Hernandez is owed, that cap charge could be reduced. Still, it doesn't look like money is the issue here. Hernandez could be facing a very, very serious criminal charge.


Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
They will not pay the future guaranteed money.

If Hernandez wants the money, he can sue the Patriots and try convincing a jury that they breached the contract before he did. Good luck. There might be a settlement for more than zero, but it won't be for close to the full amount.

(And if he's suspended by Goodell, the whole thing may be moot. Players don't get game checks for games they miss while they are suspended, even if their salary was guaranteed. I'm not sure how that works, though, for a player who's already been released.)
I wonder if Kraft already spoke with Goodell to see if they could get relief on the contract beforehand.

 
I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.
You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?
Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.
Yeah, I highly doubt that. They wouldn't risk any details being released.
A guy like Kraft can exert far more pressure than most men. If they were preparing to charg AH with something more than obstruction, I'd be willing to bet Kraft knew about it "unofficially and off the record" days ago.

 
Defense attorney: Aaron Hernandez arrest a 'big show'

By Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

We still don't know everything about the Wednesday morning arrest of Aaron Hernandez, but practicing defense attorney Harvey Steinberg told NFL Network's "NFL AM" he was surprised by how police went about taking the former New England Patriots tight end into custody.

"If it was simply an obstruction (of justice) charge, one would have called his lawyers, and said, 'Look, bring him to the courthouse, surrender him at 9:30 a.m., we'll have an advisement, we'll set bond immediately," Steinberg said. "But instead, they sent (nine) officers over in suits, they had a couple cruisers, and they drove him away, and they made a big show. Now, that's a little unusual for a charge that's not that serious -- I mean it's a serious charge, but nowhere as serious as a murder case."

Said Steinberg, who doesn't represent Hernandez, but has represented NFL players in past court cases: "The fact that they did it the way they did it, suggests to me it's going to be a very, very serious situation. Otherwise, they needlessly humiliated Mr. Hernandez in front of the media. They knew the media was there, and they made a big show by coming over and doing it the way they did. One wouldn't think they would have done this for obstruction."

Hernandez is scheduled to appear late Wednesday morning at the Attleboro District Court for arraignment, where he'll learn the charges against him.

The Patriots aren't waiting around to find out. New England released the 23-year-old pass-catcher just hours after his arrest.

Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL.
waaaaahhhh....the police are mean...how dare they be mean to my client....

 
I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.
You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?
Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.
Yeah, I highly doubt that. They wouldn't risk any details being released.
A guy like Kraft can exert far more pressure than most men. If they were preparing to charg AH with something more than obstruction, I'd be willing to bet Kraft knew about it "unofficially and off the record" days ago.
Then why wouldn't they have cut him days ago? I'm not buying the whole "Pats knew something" idea, but it's not like we'll ever know.

 
I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.
You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?
Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.
Yeah, I highly doubt that. They wouldn't risk any details being released.
A guy like Kraft can exert far more pressure than most men. If they were preparing to charg AH with something more than obstruction, I'd be willing to bet Kraft knew about it "unofficially and off the record" days ago.
Then why wouldn't they have cut him days ago? I'm not buying the whole "Pats knew something" idea, but it's not like we'll ever know.
they couldn't cut him prior to ANY charges being leveled against him. But they obviously were prepped and ready to issue a release statement 3 minutes after he was seen being marched out of his house. Timing alone suggests that they were ready to pull the trigger whenever his arrest came out in public. Which would suggest that they knew something ahead of the popular media...

 
You get the feeling that the Patriots statement cutting Hernandez has been ready for a while and that just needed to fill in the date before sending it out.

-QG

 
On a different note - do we know if the poilce searched the Pats facility at all (e.g. if Hernandez had a locker there)?

-QG

 
You get the feeling that the Patriots statement cutting Hernandez has been ready for a while and that just needed to fill in the date before sending it out.

-QG
I had a feeling they were done with him when he was kicked out of their facility minutes after arriving.

 
I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.
You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?
Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.
Yeah, I highly doubt that. They wouldn't risk any details being released.
A guy like Kraft can exert far more pressure than most men. If they were preparing to charg AH with something more than obstruction, I'd be willing to bet Kraft knew about it "unofficially and off the record" days ago.
Then why wouldn't they have cut him days ago? I'm not buying the whole "Pats knew something" idea, but it's not like we'll ever know.
they couldn't cut him prior to ANY charges being leveled against him. But they obviously were prepped and ready to issue a release statement 3 minutes after he was seen being marched out of his house. Timing alone suggests that they were ready to pull the trigger whenever his arrest came out in public. Which would suggest that they knew something ahead of the popular media...
They could cut him any time. My opinion is they let him have the benefit of the doubt, but once they heard he was arrested, cut ties.

 
I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.
You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?
Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.
Yeah, I highly doubt that. They wouldn't risk any details being released.
A guy like Kraft can exert far more pressure than most men. If they were preparing to charg AH with something more than obstruction, I'd be willing to bet Kraft knew about it "unofficially and off the record" days ago.
Then why wouldn't they have cut him days ago? I'm not buying the whole "Pats knew something" idea, but it's not like we'll ever know.
they couldn't cut him prior to ANY charges being leveled against him. But they obviously were prepped and ready to issue a release statement 3 minutes after he was seen being marched out of his house. Timing alone suggests that they were ready to pull the trigger whenever his arrest came out in public. Which would suggest that they knew something ahead of the popular media...
They could cut him any time. My opinion is they let him have the benefit of the doubt, but once they heard he was arrested, cut ties.
With all due respect PatsFanCT, following along this thread some what closely, you have been way off on most of your assumptions. You have tried to remain way too optimistic about Ahern and what has lead to his arrest and now his release.

I truly have no dog in this fight, and it is a tragic day for Ahern, the NFL, and the young man who was brutally murdered. Ahern should rot in prison.

 
Rotoworld:

The Patriots are expected to try to avoid paying Aaron Hernandez the remainder of his guaranteed base salaries.
Just before last season started, Hernandez signed a seven-year, $41.115 million contract. It included a $12.5 million signing bonus and fully guaranteed base salaries of $1.323 million in 2013 and $1.137 in 2014. Hernandez is scheduled to count $4.073 million against the cap this year and $8.637 million next season. If the Patriots can find a way to block the guaranteed money Hernandez is owed, that cap charge could be reduced. Still, it doesn't look like money is the issue here. Hernandez could be facing a very, very serious criminal charge.


Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
They will not pay the future guaranteed money.

If Hernandez wants the money, he can sue the Patriots and try convincing a jury that they breached the contract before he did. Good luck. There might be a settlement for more than zero, but it won't be for close to the full amount.

(And if he's suspended by Goodell, the whole thing may be moot. Players don't get game checks for games they miss while they are suspended, even if their salary was guaranteed. I'm not sure how that works, though, for a player who's already been released.)
In any case, even if he was paid the money would most likely end up going to both lawyers and the family of Lloyd in a civil suit. Kraft wanted to help the family of the deceased, this may be the way to do so. Pay Hernandez so the family can get it right back out of him through a civil suit.

 
From the obvious department:

Source on Hernandez: “Assume the worst”

Posted by Mike Florio on June 26, 2013, 11:26 AM EDT

The facts still aren’t clear, but the circumstances continue to look bad for Aaron Hernandez.

We’ll know more later today the specific charge Hernandez faces. As one source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT regarding the overall situation: “Assume the worst.”

We don’t know whether that specifically means he’ll be charged with murder, whether there’s enough evidence to show that he was involved in murder, or whether there’s enough evidence to show that he obstructed justice.

Regardless, it’s already bad. We’re not sure how much worse it can get.

Apparently, however, it will.
 
I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.
You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?
Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.
Yeah, I highly doubt that. They wouldn't risk any details being released.
A guy like Kraft can exert far more pressure than most men. If they were preparing to charg AH with something more than obstruction, I'd be willing to bet Kraft knew about it "unofficially and off the record" days ago.
Then why wouldn't they have cut him days ago? I'm not buying the whole "Pats knew something" idea, but it's not like we'll ever know.
they couldn't cut him prior to ANY charges being leveled against him. But they obviously were prepped and ready to issue a release statement 3 minutes after he was seen being marched out of his house. Timing alone suggests that they were ready to pull the trigger whenever his arrest came out in public. Which would suggest that they knew something ahead of the popular media...
They could cut him any time. My opinion is they let him have the benefit of the doubt, but once they heard he was arrested, cut ties.
With all due respect PatsFanCT, following along this thread some what closely, you have been way off on most of your assumptions. You have tried to remain way too optimistic about Ahern and what has lead to his arrest and now his release.

I truly have no dog in this fight, and it is a tragic day for Ahern, the NFL, and the young man who was brutally murdered. Ahern should rot in prison.
What exactly was the point of this arrogant post?

 
Rotoworld take on the article above:

A source tells Profootballtalk.com to "assume the worst" regarding the overall Aaron Hernandez situation.
Police did not treat Hernandez like someone accused of obstruction Wednesday morning. They had seven officers take him into custody and staged a perp walk in broad daylight in front of the assembled media. They could have just asked him to turn himself in and save face. Additionally, the Patriots likely have more information than we have right now regarding Hernandez's exact charge and what evidence authorities have against him. They released him Wednesday morning.


Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com
 
Just realized, I am going to need to fix the rules in our salary cap league. We have a specific rule for retiring players and deceased players in regards to salary cap penalty. But, not for a life in prison.
Our MFL league treats them all the same-if they're not on an NFL roster when teams get down to 53 then you can get rid of them without penalty. Whether retired, deceased or in jail etc. doesn't matter.

 
@DougKyedNESN

FOX 25 just said Hernandez will go to Bristol County Jail after arraignment. This is a no bail situation.

Obstruction charge would allow for bail

 
I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.
You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?
Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.
Yeah, I highly doubt that. They wouldn't risk any details being released.
A guy like Kraft can exert far more pressure than most men. If they were preparing to charg AH with something more than obstruction, I'd be willing to bet Kraft knew about it "unofficially and off the record" days ago.
Then why wouldn't they have cut him days ago? I'm not buying the whole "Pats knew something" idea, but it's not like we'll ever know.
they couldn't cut him prior to ANY charges being leveled against him. But they obviously were prepped and ready to issue a release statement 3 minutes after he was seen being marched out of his house. Timing alone suggests that they were ready to pull the trigger whenever his arrest came out in public. Which would suggest that they knew something ahead of the popular media...
They could cut him any time. My opinion is they let him have the benefit of the doubt, but once they heard he was arrested, cut ties.
With all due respect PatsFanCT, following along this thread some what closely, you have been way off on most of your assumptions. You have tried to remain way too optimistic about Ahern and what has lead to his arrest and now his release.

I truly have no dog in this fight, and it is a tragic day for Ahern, the NFL, and the young man who was brutally murdered. Ahern should rot in prison.
What exactly was the point of this arrogant post?
To say that this opinion of yours, just like the rest that you have put into this thread, is stupid.

 
Just realized, I am going to need to fix the rules in our salary cap league. We have a specific rule for retiring players and deceased players in regards to salary cap penalty. But, not for a life in prison.
Our MFL league treats them all the same-if they're not on an NFL roster when teams get down to 53 then you can get rid of them without penalty. Whether retired, deceased or in jail etc. doesn't matter.
Not ours, if a player is released and remains a free agent, then he still counts towards the cap and has a penalty if dropped. One owner carried ladainian tomlinson all last year.

Announce retirement and death are the only non penalty factors in our league.

 
David Wade@davidwade Retweeted by WBZ Boston News
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#Patriots source tells WBZ the Pats have "no inside info on charges" against Aaron Hernandez. #wbz
 
@DougKyedNESN

FOX 25 just said Hernandez will go to Bristol County Jail after arraignment. This is a no bail situation.

Obstruction charge would allow for bail
@NEPD_Loyko: Fox 25 is reporting Aaron Hernandez will go to Bristol County Jail.. meaning this is likely a no bail situation..homicide”
As much as I thought that's what he'd charged with it's still shocking to see it actually happening.

 
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