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Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (3 Viewers)

7-by-10 foot cell. With Hernandez being 6'2 and an arm length of 32", he can lay on the floor in the middle of his cell and touch both walls.

 
Faust said:
Seventy-two hours ago, Hernandez was a free man, a year removed from a new $40 million contract extension with the Patriots, and living in a sprawling home in upscale North Attleboro, Mass. Now he's facing a murder charge and if convicted, could spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Not surprisingly, Hodgson says Hernandez is undergoing "an adjustment" to being confined to a 7-by-10-foot cell.
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How do you adjust from liberty, forgetting about the sprawling mansion for a minute to a 7-by-10 foot cell? On lockdown 23 hours a day? He's gotta be suicidal.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Faust said:
Seventy-two hours ago, Hernandez was a free man, a year removed from a new $40 million contract extension with the Patriots, and living in a sprawling home in upscale North Attleboro, Mass. Now he's facing a murder charge and if convicted, could spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Not surprisingly, Hodgson says Hernandez is undergoing "an adjustment" to being confined to a 7-by-10-foot cell.
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How do you adjust from liberty, forgetting about the sprawling mansion for a minute to a 7-by-10 foot cell? On lockdown 23 hours a day? He's gotta be suicidal.
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I still can't wrap my mind around this. It is so far beyond mind blowing that someone in his situation would throw away 40 million, a mansion, and women for a cold cell and ****. Crazy.

 
They should run a rookie symposium tour. First stop AH's house, second stop the 7x10 cell. Not much else would need to be said.

 
PatsFanCT said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Faust said:
Seventy-two hours ago, Hernandez was a free man, a year removed from a new $40 million contract extension with the Patriots, and living in a sprawling home in upscale North Attleboro, Mass. Now he's facing a murder charge and if convicted, could spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Not surprisingly, Hodgson says Hernandez is undergoing "an adjustment" to being confined to a 7-by-10-foot cell.
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How do you adjust from liberty, forgetting about the sprawling mansion for a minute to a 7-by-10 foot cell? On lockdown 23 hours a day? He's gotta be suicidal.
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I still can't wrap my mind around this. It is so far beyond mind blowing that someone in his situation would throw away 40 million, a mansion, and women for a cold cell and ****. Crazy.
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How do you know his cellmates name?

 
KellysHeroes said:
Beefeaters said:
Assuming Hernandez is found guilty of murder, I'm willing to bet there are plenty of people who will still think Michael Vick is the bigger NFL villain. :loco:
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Depends on how much we learn about Hernandez and the victim(s); was the victim(s) associated with gangs? or were they good innocent people that just had a bad moment with the wrong person?

But what Vick was part of is pure evil, forcing animals to fight each other to the death for entertainment is disgusting. Not going to get into the agrument of human life vs animal life but what gave Vick and his business partners the right to torture and kill hundreds of dogs? Plus Vick got less than 2 yrs in federal prison were he was allowed to train for his NFL comeback, and then got to sign a huge contract... no justice what so ever.

Because Ahern is getting whats coming to him and Vick got a minor inconvenience I find Vick as bigger "villain"
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I'm probably reading this wrong, but are you saying what Vick did was worse than what Hernandez did?

 
Sinn Fein said:
KellysHeroes said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
Holy Schneikes said:
OK, so I am AH. I know what I did. I see the evidence piling up. It is becoming clear to me that I will likely never be a free man again. I don't think the death penalty is in play.

At what point do you say, "Forget the lawyers and the drawn out court case and the appeals and ALL of that.". I'll salvage whatever money I can to try to give my kid at least ONE advantage in life. I'm not saying fire the lawyer, I'm saying instruct him to work out whatever quickest easiest terms he can. MAYBE, after all of the suits are settled there might be a little left for the kid. Maybe.

Do you think ANYONE is suggesting this to the guy at this point?
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I don't think someone who had a child and yet still engages in activities like murder less than a mile from where that child is sleeping particularly cares. He's either a sociopath or he's just so arrogant that he really thought he'd just get away with it all. Either way it doesn't seem logical to think he'd start thinking about his family and their future NOW, after his horrible actions put it all into question in the first place. This obviously isn't a family-first guy. I'd be surprised if he turned into one now.
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doesn't matter, hes going to be facing a lot of lawsuits... unless he had money in a trust fund for that kid there won't be a dime left :( so sad
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He should file bankruptcy, between homestead exemption, and child support claim, kid should have something
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He didn't marry the woman he had the child with, so I guess she can also sue him and get something for her and the kid, is that right?

 
Articles are stating that AH's bail denial yesterday means that he will remain in jail until the trial starts. (which may be a year from now) I thought I heard the DA make a statement to the effect of denying bail until his next court appearance. Which is in late July.

Does anyone know if he can appeal the bail decision each time he appears in court?

 
WampusCat43 said:
I've probably missed this but I'm trying to understand how they found a shell casing in the car but no blood stains. Any theories?
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If it was a semi auto pistol. Shell casings eject and fly in different directions. It could have landed in a piece of clothing and then fell off after they got back in the car.

 
WampusCat43 said:
I've probably missed this but I'm trying to understand how they found a shell casing in the car but no blood stains. Any theories?
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He shot the guy outside of his car. The bullet goes where the gun is pointed and the casings eject up and to the right. He then picked up the casings and left one in the car next to his blue Bubbalicious Cotton Candy wrapper.

 
KCitons said:
Articles are stating that AH's bail denial yesterday means that he will remain in jail until the trial starts. (which may be a year from now) I thought I heard the DA make a statement to the effect of denying bail until his next court appearance. Which is in late July.

Does anyone know if he can appeal the bail decision each time he appears in court?
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Didn't it take Jodi Arias 4 years to go to court on a murder charge?

 
Donnybrook said:
Faust said:
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Wes Welker should feel lucky. Maybe Hernandez wasn't kidding that day
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And that is just one reported case. I wonder how often Tom Brady gave him an earful for running the wrong route etc.
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Never...unless his linemen we're between him and thuggy.

 
Deamon said:
BassNBrew said:
Sleeper 43 said:
"In addition, text messages from Lloyd to his sister indicated that he knew he was in peril, McCauley said.

He texted his sister reminding her of who he was with -- "I just want you to know," he wrote."

If I need to text this, I know about the double murder - I'm jumping out the damn car.
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I'm not getting into the car in the first place.
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Again we don't really know all the details. What if they had a gun to his back saying get in the car... at that point you do it, cause you never know there's a chance they won't kill you. Or maybe he said he would let him live if he came with him (reminds me of the movie Mystic River)... or maybe he said he was going to kill his wife/sister/family/whatever as well as him if he didn't co operate, or maybe they said they were going to beat him up and he went 'willingly' rather then being shot on the spot or risking being killed... which he probably knew AH wasn't afraid to do. Unfortunately we may never know why the guy willingly got into that car. He was probably in shock too.
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One theory I have is that they did not hold a gun to him and coerce him into the vehicle. They simply stated that they needed gas and were intending on buying the crew a pack of Bubblicious.

Who the &^%$ would pass up an offer like that?!

 
Sandeman said:
Leroy said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000215028/article/aaron-hernandez-murder-charge-chilling-lesson-for-nfl-rookies

AURORA, Ohio -- Alone in a makeshift gym that normally serves as a hotel ballroom, San Francisco 49ers rookie running back Marcus Lattimore had found his place on an elliptical machine shortly after arriving at the NFC's portion of the NFL Rookie Symposium.


The lectures hadn't started. The breakout sessions, yet to begin. But in this room, where the only noise came from the dull humming of Lattimore's elliptical machine, a chilling lesson was already on display across six large televisions mounted on the wall.

It was Aaron Hernandez's face. It was live coverage of his arraignment. It was the moment when Hernandez's identity took a sharp turn from football star to murder suspect; when the dreams of his youth were curtailed by the reality of his situation.

The rookie symposium here in suburban Cleveland is a place where the NFL tells its newest crop of players how to keep dreams on track -- and so there could be no more symbolic way for NFC attendees to arrive than this.

"Hopefully, the NFC guys that are here, the guys that just came in, it's going to mean that much more," said Chris Draft, an NFL transition coach. "All the stories that they hear, all the experiences, are now going to be that much more impacting.

"And the AFC guys that just left, everything they were told here about the details, about a dream, about dream-killers of sorts, all of those things will mean that much more."

This is not to suggest Hernandez's latest saga will serve as an empathetic scenario for each of the 254 rookies who will attend this week's symposium. This is rare. But the overall message is nonetheless quite pointed: A life can change in a day. A dream can be thwarted in a moment. Regardless of the final verdict in Hernandez's eventual trial, this situation has changed his daily existence in an incomprehensible way. It is the NFL's hope to teach these rookies to comprehend it only enough to avoid it.


That's why the NFL brings Adam Jones here to speak. That's why Tank Johnson, Maurice Clarett and former basketball star Chris Herren are also here to tell a roomful of fresh faces about their own misguided careers. None of those men have ever been charged with murder -- but each of those men at times did indeed become his own worst enemy.

And each shares his story in an effort to create the type of lasting impressions -- the type of critical lessons -- that could be learned Wednesday by watching Hernandez stand handcuffed in a court room.

"We're not here to make them better football players -- coaches do that," said Irving Fryar, a panelist at this week's symposium. "We are trying to make them aware of things around them -- of the people around them -- to make them better people."

This week, when Tank Johnson spoke to the AFC's players, the former defensive tackle who was often in trouble with the law didn't simply try to tell players what not to do. He also tried to teach them a tangible lesson: The NFL makes resources available. The help exists. It's up to the players to utilize that help.

At one point in his career, Johnson said, he was banned from owning a gun by the league because of previous weapons charges. Yet one day, after he caught thieves breaking into his car, he went to the store to buy a gun. While in line to pay, he decided to call NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

"Don't do it," Goodell told him. "Don't buy the gun. Instead, I'll have security outside your house every morning and every night for the rest of the summer."

By the time Johnson got home, a security guard was on the premisis to protect his house.

"The resources exist," Johnson said. "I learned it too late. You need to use those resources."

The NFL will do everything possible this week to drive home these points. They'll have Jones tell stories to players about blowing $100,000 to rent out the top of the Caesars Palace in Las Vegas for his family -- and the ensuing loneliness he later felt during his one-year suspension. They'll have Clarett talk about his 3 1/2-year prison sentence -- and they'll have him explain how his actions ruined his chances for a football career.

The NFL will even hold panels with successful former players like Chad Pennington, LaVar Arrington and Patrick Kerney. This isn't just about how dreams go bad -- it's also about how to dream even bigger.

But as this year's rookie symposium runs its course, there is a very sad reality that still exists: "You can't help everybody," Kerney said. "People need to want to help themselves."

Maybe that explains the strange, surreal feelings at the symposium Wednesday. As much as the league can use Hernandez as a prime example of how an identity can be altered in a day, the tale of his detoured dream also shows that its efforts don't always pay off.


But as Lattimore continued to work out on that elliptical Wednesday, as he stared at those televisions, it was also a reminder of another reality: It is indeed possible that some rookie will leave this symposium with a lesson, that some rookie will realize the fragility of his dreams and make the proper decisions to keep them intact.

"Unfortunately, sometimes bad things happen," Draft said. "The rookie symposium is about wisdom, about how to learn from the mistakes of others. When something like this is happening at the same time, it can make it that much more important that they are listening."

So, are they listening? Are these rookies really learning how to avoid life's pitfalls?

Hopefully, we won't find out in a courtroom.
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I had never much liked Goodall. The bolded statement above changes my opinion quite a bit. Even if he is just trying to protect the shield (as everyone is quick to point out), his actions there go above and beyond what any employee could ever expect. Well done.
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Goodell is misunderstood. I'm in the minority, but I think he's doing a pretty solid job. It's not your daddy's NFL anymore.
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Not saying he's been perfect but much of Goodell's heavy handed actions are to protect the league as best as possible from the on field liability that is coming to light regarding head injuries. Not sure how he can be faulted for that.

 
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Beefeaters said:
Assuming Hernandez is found guilty of murder, I'm willing to bet there are plenty of people who will still think Michael Vick is the bigger NFL villain. :loco:
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True.

There are those who feel more empathy for dogs than guys who hang out with thugs and end up dead. Now, Lloyd could have just been a victim of circumstance - i.e., thuggy and he dated sisters...so they inevitably ran in similar crowds. However, maybe Lloyd was more like thuggy and that's how he met the sister. The details will soon come out.

 
KCitons said:
7-by-10 foot cell. With Hernandez being 6'2 and an arm length of 32", he can lay on the floor in the middle of his cell and touch both walls.
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The NFL should add a drill to the combine replicating a prison cell.

Maybe as an in-your-face reminder of how these guys lives could play out if they do stupid things.

 
Wonder if Hernandez paid attention to how quickly the Boston Police solved the bombing case? Maybe he thought he had a week before he needed to find a boat to hide in.

 
It's time to stop playing blame game for who failed with Aaron Hernandez

Gregg Doyel

Aaron Hernandez is not an indictment of Urban Meyer. He's not a stain on Bill Belichick. He's not a product of the SEC drug-testing policy.

What is Aaron Hernandez? A murderer, prosecutors in Massachusetts say. A fairly large idiot in the best of circumstances, possibly a killer who should never breathe free oxygen again. The legal system will decide which, but it won't be soon.

While the case grinds slowly toward trial, that gives us time -- too much time -- to decide what Aaron Hernandez is. But already in some corners he has moved on from Aaron Hernandez: tight end. He's not even Aaron Hernandez: accused murderer.

Now he's Aaron Hernandez: convenient example of (your agenda here). He's Aaron Hernandez: excuse to bash (your target here).

He's an excuse to bash Urban Meyer, whose tenure at Florida was full of players being arrested or failing drug tests or both. It happens at big-time football programs all over, but it seemed to happen more commonly at Meyer's Florida, which means it's open season for people who don't like Meyer -- and that's a lot of you, for whatever reason -- to link Hernandez's alleged crime to Meyer's alleged discipline.

Hernandez was an adult of 23 when prosecutors say he and two other men picked up Odin Lloyd on June 17, drove him to an industrial park and executed him. You can say Meyer should have done more to punish his misbehaving players when they were at Florida. I've said that myself. But what you cannot do -- not in anything resembling good conscience -- is suggest that Odin Lloyd would be alive today had Meyer been harder on Hernandez or Chris Rainey or any of the other jerks on those Florida teams. Odin Lloyd is dead because he ran into evil. Evil doesn't become evil because it wasn't suspended for the Georgia game.

For some reason Aaron Hernandez is an excuse to bash Bill Belichick, whose tenure at New England has included players who were signed because they were sterling at football, if not life. It happens at franchises all over the NFL, more at New England than some others, which means it's open season for people who don't like Belichick -- and that's a lot of you, for whatever reason -- to link Hernandez's alleged crime to Belichick's philosophy.

Belichick can be cold to the media and ruthless to opposing teams and accepting of players with pock marks in their past, and his Patriots did cheat by videotaping opposing coaches during their 16-0 season of 2007, all of which has nothing to do with allegations that Aaron Hernandez filled Odin Lloyd with .45 caliber bullets until Lloyd stopped breathing.

For some reason Aaron Hernandez is an excuse to bash the SEC drug-testing policy, or lack thereof, which has created a competitive disadvantage whereby some schools are more willing than others to suspend players. One-time Heisman finalist Tyrann Mathieu says he failed more than 10 drug tests at LSU. Hernandez reportedly failed multiple times at Florida.

SEC football has its issues, whether it's rogue coaches or stupid boosters or the general feeling that too many resources -- legal and otherwise -- are being devoted to winning. None of which has a thing to do with allegations that Aaron Hernandez thought the proper way to deal with Odin Lloyd was to exterminate him.

I understand the news cycle, the temptation for easy clicks, the need to advance the fascinating, awful story of Aaron Hernandez. And there's lots of time between now and trial to do that. Hell, there's almost a month between now and his next scheduled court date, July 24, for a probable cause hearing. Then comes the possibility of a grand jury, indictment, depositions. Trial could be a year away.

Meantime there are stories to write and things to say, but Aaron Hernandez is not a mallet to be used to whack the moles in football's yard. He is not a device to further your agenda. He is not an excuse to mock the coaches, teams or leagues for whom he has played.

He is a cautionary tale, I'll go along with that, but not for the discipline of Urban Meyer or the roster of Bill Belichick or the drug-testing of the SEC. Hernandez is a cautionary tale for young men everywhere, athletes and otherwise, who think it's OK to settle their differences with deadly violence.

That's what happened to Odin Lloyd sometime after 2:30 a.m. on June 17. He ran into someone who thought five squeezes of a .45 caliber semi-automatic's trigger was the solution to a problem.

A jury will tell us whether that someone was Aaron Hernandez, but I can tell you this: Whatever the jury decides, Odin Lloyd is dead because he got too close to evil -- not too close to the wrong locker room.
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Odin Lloyd probe ongoing; Ernest Wallace now captured

By Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

Carlos Ortiz, arrested on Wednesday in connection with the murder charges facing former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, is heading back to Massachusetts.

The Associated Press reported that a judge in Bristol, Conn., ordered Ortiz turned over to Massachusetts authorities during a Friday morning hearing. The 27-year-old Ortiz was charged in Connecticut as a fugitive from justice, per The Associated Press. He was being held on $1.5 million bail in Hartford after waiving extradition to Massachusetts.

Ortiz was arrested Wednesday as part of the investigation into the slaying of 27-year-old semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd, according to the New Britain, Conn., State's attorney. Odin was found dead in an industrial park near Hernandez's North Attleboro home at about 5:30 p.m. ET on June 17.

The North Attleboro Police Department also confirmed Friday that it has located and recovered the Silver/Grey Chrysler 300 that police had been looking for in connection to the Lloyd investigation. The car previously had last been seen operated by Ernest "Bo Fish" Wallace, whom authorities say is wanted as an accessory after the fact in Lloyd's murder.

Hernandez on Thursday was denied bail in relation to the first-degree murder charge he faces in the Odin case. On Friday, Bristol County Sheriff Tom Hodgson confirmed to NFL Network that Hernandez also is being investigated by the Boston Police Department in connection to a 2012 double homicide.

UPDATE: The Massachusetts State Police confirmed Friday afternoon that Wallace has been captured in Miramar, Fla.

Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL.
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Grigs Allmoon said:
Bad_Mo said:
Boston said:
Good news for those of you with an Aaron Hernandez jersey...http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4744867/pats-offering-hernandez-jersey-exchange
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Classy move by the organization, right there.
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Meh...

I give them some credit, but it would be really great of them and the NFL if they swallowed a couple $million or whatever and did that for ALL Hernandez jerseys. Still... a pretty classy gesture nonetheless.
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“We know that children love wearing their Patriots jerseys, but may not understand why parents don’t want them wearing their Hernandez jerseys anymore,” Patriots spokesperson Stacey James said in a statement. “We hope this opportunity to exchange those jerseys [bold]at the Patriots ProShop[/bold] for another player’s jersey will be well received by parents.”

Where is he pro shop? in the stadium? Don't you need a ticket to a game to get IMO the stadium?

 
Bad_Mo said:
Boston said:
Good news for those of you with an Aaron Hernandez jersey...

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4744867/pats-offering-hernandez-jersey-exchange
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Classy move by the organization, right there.
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Meh...

"The exchange will be offered only during the weekend of July 6-7 and is only for jerseys purchased at the pro shop at Gillette Stadium or online at patriotsproshop.com.", "to exchange it with a free jersey of comparable value, the team announced."

Mostly a PR move.... with all those restrictions someone may be able to pickup a Welker or Lloyd Jersey from last year. Even at that the chance that it was bought at one of those two place's really doesn't hit too many people imo.

 
3nOut said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Bad_Mo said:
Boston said:
Good news for those of you with an Aaron Hernandez jersey...http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4744867/pats-offering-hernandez-jersey-exchange
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Classy move by the organization, right there.
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Meh...

I give them some credit, but it would be really great of them and the NFL if they swallowed a couple $million or whatever and did that for ALL Hernandez jerseys. Still... a pretty classy gesture nonetheless.
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“We know that children love wearing their Patriots jerseys, but may not understand why parents don’t want them wearing their Hernandez jerseys anymore,” Patriots spokesperson Stacey James said in a statement. “We hope this opportunity to exchange those jerseys [bold]at the Patriots ProShop[/bold] for another player’s jersey will be well received by parents.”

Where is he pro shop? in the stadium? Don't you need a ticket to a game to get IMO the stadium?
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Sounds like a great idea and their getting great press for it until you read into it. You have to go to the stadium during 4th of July weekend, why not let people exchange the jersey all yr long, I'm sure they don't want people wearing it.

 
Pretty interesting caller into WEEI today claiming that he was in a gang with Hernandez, who used to be a Latin King but converted to a Blood. Gives a lot of information on what Hernandez will likely face in prison. Very interesting stuff.

Link

 
PatsWillWin said:
Pretty interesting caller into WEEI today claiming that he was in a gang with Hernandez, who used to be a Latin King but converted to a Blood. Gives a lot of information on what Hernandez will likely face in prison. Very interesting stuff.

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That was REALLY interesting.... I wish the dude was on for an hour.

 
PatsWillWin said:
Pretty interesting caller into WEEI today claiming that he was in a gang with Hernandez, who used to be a Latin King but converted to a Blood. Gives a lot of information on what Hernandez will likely face in prison. Very interesting stuff.

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Although the fact that the air personalities seemed to be trying a little hard to be funny (and I was wishing they would just shut the #### up) it was pretty interesting all of the general information. I would have figured Hernandez was going to be completely screwed inside, but "Chino" seems like he'll have protection from the Latin Kings.

 
3nOut said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
Bad_Mo said:
Boston said:
Good news for those of you with an Aaron Hernandez jersey...http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4744867/pats-offering-hernandez-jersey-exchange
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Classy move by the organization, right there.
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Meh...

I give them some credit, but it would be really great of them and the NFL if they swallowed a couple $million or whatever and did that for ALL Hernandez jerseys. Still... a pretty classy gesture nonetheless.
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“We know that children love wearing their Patriots jerseys, but may not understand why parents don’t want them wearing their Hernandez jerseys anymore,” Patriots spokesperson Stacey James said in a statement. “We hope this opportunity to exchange those jerseys [bold]at the Patriots ProShop[/bold] for another player’s jersey will be well received by parents.”

Where is he pro shop? in the stadium? Don't you need a ticket to a game to get IMO the stadium?
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#### -- I don't even have my draftboard started yet.

I better get on that -- season really snuck up on me this year

 
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