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Hey DeSean, you SUCK! (1 Viewer)

He suffered from concussions last year because of the hits that he took and he's playing for peanuts.
Yeah, okay. When Obama gets a $260,000 raise, he'll be collecting the same amount of peanuts as DeSean.
When Obama runs a sub 4.4 forty, maybe he will. In all seriousness this argument isn't even close to valid. Why are we bringing up other occupations and comparing them to a professional wide receiver in the NFL? He didn't make the market, he just works in it. Guess who's making $680,000 this year? Alex Henry.. the Eagles rookie kicker.
The guy is getting a raw deal. No doubt about it. How DARE they ask him to do his job without complaining when he's getting a measly $660,000.As I said before, he should absolutely quit and go find another job where he'll be more appreciated. Problem solved.
 
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Unfair, I'd be pissed too. People forget that DeSean is a kid, that's what he is, a young man. A young man that is super talented and wants to be treated fairly. For the last couple of seasons DeSean Jackson was their biggest offensive weapon as a receiver and on special teams. This guy is playing on his rookie contract which is going to net him 660,000 this year. He didn't ask for a new contract his rookie year or last year but his contract year. Managing 101- You can give all the pat's on the back and the "good jobs" but you really know how important you are to a company/team by compensation. DeSean is not working at McDonalds, he's an NFL wide receiver.. that means he's not entitled to maximize his bank account? Personally, if I was his agent, I would tell him to dog it too. I wouldn't catch anything over the middle, I wouldn't play if I had a simple headache. Yes, this is a team sport, but do you think he honestly feels like he's part of this team? I wouldn't. DeSean is a great player in a bad situation. He might be ruining your fantasy season, but he'll be healthy enough to sign his next contract. Which I'm sure is going to be worth more than 660,000.
I agree. It's also a slap in his face when the Eagles bring in all of this talent through free agency and have no trouble paying them. Everyone around hims is getting "paid". If he gets a career ending injury, he might have to work at McDonald's. From a pure business stand point, it doesn't make sense for him to risk his health until he gets "paid", because right now he has enough worth to get a nice contract from someone. Ownership decided to hang him out to dry this season, it's just business on their part. Well on his part, it's business too. We're talking a lot of money on the line.
He's already made more money than I'll make my entire life. If he has a career ending injury he might have to enter the work force like the rest of us. Am I supposed to feel bad for him because of this?
You can feel however you like. All I know is, I don't feel bad for the ownership either. The guy's current salary is not what he's worth. His current worth and future earnings require him being healthy and having the same abilities he has now. I understand where both sides are coming from.It's just business!
 
'phillybirds said:
Unfair, I'd be pissed too. People forget that DeSean is a kid, that's what he is, a young man. A young man that is super talented and wants to be treated fairly. For the last couple of seasons DeSean Jackson was their biggest offensive weapon as a receiver and on special teams. This guy is playing on his rookie contract which is going to net him 660,000 this year. He didn't ask for a new contract his rookie year or last year but his contract year. Managing 101- You can give all the pat's on the back and the "good jobs" but you really know how important you are to a company/team by compensation. DeSean is not working at McDonalds, he's an NFL wide receiver.. that means he's not entitled to maximize his bank account? Personally, if I was his agent, I would tell him to dog it too. I wouldn't catch anything over the middle, I wouldn't play if I had a simple headache. Yes, this is a team sport, but do you think he honestly feels like he's part of this team? I wouldn't. DeSean is a great player in a bad situation. He might be ruining your fantasy season, but he'll be healthy enough to sign his next contract. Which I'm sure is going to be worth more than 660,000.
I agree. It's also a slap in his face when the Eagles bring in all of this talent through free agency and have no trouble paying them. Everyone around hims is getting "paid". If he gets a career ending injury, he might have to work at McDonald's. From a pure business stand point, it doesn't make sense for him to risk his health until he gets "paid", because right now he has enough worth to get a nice contract from someone. Ownership decided to hang him out to dry this season, it's just business on their part. Well on his part, it's business too. We're talking a lot of money on the line.
He's already made more money than I'll make my entire life. If he has a career ending injury he might have to enter the work force like the rest of us. Am I supposed to feel bad for him because of this?
Honestly, what? What does your earnings have to do with this.. and nobody is asking anybody to feel bad for anyone. I'm simply saying that he's protecting the money that HE CAN MAKE. Why does everybody chastise athletes because they have the ability to make this money. I'm not saying that anybody should feel bad for him, just understand that he has a lot to lose.
 
Guys you do realize that LeSean McCoy is only making like 490,000 this season right? I don't see him holding out or pouting. So your arguments don't really hold up in court that Desean should be getting paid a lot more. C'mon guys most players have to string together 2 or 3 good seasons before they get a pay day. DeSean is just shooting himself in the foot right now by not playing hard like McCoy.

 
Guys you do realize that LeSean McCoy is only making like 490,000 this season right? I don't see him holding out or pouting. So your arguments don't really hold up in court that Desean should be getting paid a lot more. C'mon guys most players have to string together 2 or 3 good seasons before they get a pay day. DeSean is just shooting himself in the foot right now by not playing hard like McCoy.
DeSean has already proven his value over two pro bowl seasons, and increased his worth. McCoy is now proving his value. He should be a pro bowler this year and will be going into his 4th year next year. If the Eagles pull the same nonsense with him, we will see how he handles it...but I certainly wouldn't blame him if he holds out.
 
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It's interesting to me how quick people are to side with the Billionaires in situations like this.
Actually, I was kind of surprised there is any dissention on this topic whatsoever (in favor of DeSean). I can't believe some are willing to give DeSean's behavior a pass when it's so cut-n-dried. Either hold out or come to play. ETA: It's not that I'm siding with the billionaire. I'm siding with professionalism and not hanging teammates out to dry.

 
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It's interesting to me how quick people are to side with the Billionaires in situations like this.
Actually, I was kind of surprised there is any dissention on this topic whatsoever (in favor of DeSean). I can't believe some are willing to give DeSean's behavior a pass when it's so cut-n-dried. Either hold out or come to play. ETA: It's not that I'm siding with the billionaire. I'm siding with professionalism and not hanging teammates out to dry.
I agree that holding out would have been the best thing to do. But based on reading the local sports this season, and based on the Eagles history of working deals in season, it seems like he was given a wink and a nod that they could get something done before the year is out. It's an unfortunate situation in any event. But I certainly understand where he's coming from. And I tend to side with the guy trying to sure up his financial future over the obscenely wealthy trying to save a few million and get what he can for as little as possible.
 
They really should have ponied up the cash at the beginning of the season. He is clearly their best talent at WR, still top 10 IMO and they would have been much better off paying Jackson than flushing it on Vick who had put up great numbers for less than a season. I think Jackson saw the opportunity to go all the way with this season with the 'Dream Team' so he bit thte bullet and played. Now there is no reason to risk injury and he is looking out for number 1 as he should. The team has shown no good will towards him in this regard and to expect 100% effort in return is just ignorant of the situation. Sure his next contract won't have the huge numbers, but it's the NFL, the numbers on the contract don't matter anyway. I expect he will sign a decent, incentive laden contract and still make pretty good coin going forward. My guess is he ends up in the Bay Area next season, probably with the 49ers.

 
Desean does not suck. We all know what what type of player he can be. Unfortunately for Fantasy and the Eagles he is WORTHLESS ROS and shouldnt be counted on. Desean i believe has punched his ticket out of philly after the season and whoever pays him in 2012 will be rewarded. That pretty much sums up what Desean is all about.

 
Don't you guys think that Matt Forte is a great example of what a player should do ? I mean I'll be honest I think it sucks that the Eagles and Bears won't man up and give some of their top players a new deal when they deserve something. Personally I think Forte has deserved it more so then DeSean. I mean DeSean won't go over the middle cause he is so small and is worried about getting hurt. Don't hardly blame him when he is getting paid so little. (Antonio Brown is making little and goes over the middle no problem, but whatever.) DeSean is a weapon but as we have seen this season he is limited in his impact of how he can help his team. Teams are rolling a safety over the top to take away the deep ball and we can see what that has done to DeSeans numbers at the beginning of season. He is been average at best when he can't be used in that way. So the problem is the Eagles are being a little stingy, DeSean has Rosenhaus as his agent, and DeSean wants to get paid like Megatron or Fitzgerald probably when in actuality he probably deserves a contract closer to Nate Burleson's 5 yr 25 million dollar deal. Those 3 factors are what has killed DeSeans chances. Now with the Eagles unraveling and DeSean not turning in a 100% effort, it has only made matters worse. I do think its lame that they locked up Vick with a contract like they did before DeSean. But they got rid of Kolb so they kind of had to. And with DeSean the team still has Maclin and Avant who are more then able to hold down the WR jobs. Thats just how I see it.

 
I heard some of that yesterday. I was shocked at how much Jaws stuck up for Jackson and criticized the coaching staff. The worst part was when he had no problem with Jackson giving up on a play where Young had to scramble out of the pocket. He tried dismissing it as, "That wasn't the route that was called for him to run," but as an ex-QB, Jaws knows that when a play breaks down and the QB starts scrambling, you need your receivers to do something to get open to give the QB someone to throw to. I was as shocked as Golic that Jaws took the position that he did. He is usually more sensible than that.

Considering how much of an Eagles homer he is, he must be either angling to be the next coach or bailing on what he figures will soon be an ex-coaching staff of the Eagles.

 
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It's interesting to me how quick people are to side with the Billionaires in situations like this.
Actually, I was kind of surprised there is any dissention on this topic whatsoever (in favor of DeSean). I can't believe some are willing to give DeSean's behavior a pass when it's so cut-n-dried. Either hold out or come to play. ETA: It's not that I'm siding with the billionaire. I'm siding with professionalism and not hanging teammates out to dry.
I agree that holding out would have been the best thing to do. But based on reading the local sports this season, and based on the Eagles history of working deals in season, it seems like he was given a wink and a nod that they could get something done before the year is out. It's an unfortunate situation in any event. But I certainly understand where he's coming from. And I tend to side with the guy trying to sure up his financial future over the obscenely wealthy trying to save a few million and get what he can for as little as possible.
The billionaire is looking like a genius in this situation. DeSean is showing his true colors, which is that he's not worth a big payday. It would have been foolish to pay him, knowing what we know now.That's probably how they got to be a billionaire...by working hard and not being naive. I'd bet that they spotted the flaw in DeSean's character early on and are now exposing it. Good for them.

 
Ron Jaworski defends Jackson and blames the Eagles coaching staff. If you haven't heard this interview with Mike & Mike you should check it out. I've never heard Jaws get this worked up.http://www.975thefanatic.com/teams/eagles/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10320513
Beaten down by Golic...and for good reason. Jaws is just trying to be devil's advocate to attract some attention.
 
The billionaire is looking like a genius in this situation. DeSean is showing his true colors, which is that he's not worth a big payday. It would have been foolish to pay him, knowing what we know now.That's probably how they got to be a billionaire...by working hard and not being naive. I'd bet that they spotted the flaw in DeSean's character early on and are now exposing it. Good for them.
Let's not get carried away here. No one in the Eagles organization is looking like a genius after this disaster of a season. :wall: If they don't think he's worth it, that's fine. Some team will think he's worth it. And I think our offense is going to suffer without him.
 
Yeah cause Maclin and Avant are just crap and the entire WR core is nothing without DeSean Jackson. Lets be real here. DeSean Jackson is a threat. But he isn't Megatron, or Fitzgerald or anything. The Eagles could still win plenty of games without DeSean. I mean they've won games this year where DeSean was hardly visible. So Phillybirds lets not get carried away.

The billionaire is looking like a genius in this situation. DeSean is showing his true colors, which is that he's not worth a big payday. It would have been foolish to pay him, knowing what we know now.That's probably how they got to be a billionaire...by working hard and not being naive. I'd bet that they spotted the flaw in DeSean's character early on and are now exposing it. Good for them.
Let's not get carried away here. No one in the Eagles organization is looking like a genius after this disaster of a season. :wall: If they don't think he's worth it, that's fine. Some team will think he's worth it. And I think our offense is going to suffer without him.
 
Yeah cause Maclin and Avant are just crap and the entire WR core is nothing without DeSean Jackson. Lets be real here. DeSean Jackson is a threat. But he isn't Megatron, or Fitzgerald or anything. The Eagles could still win plenty of games without DeSean. I mean they've won games this year where DeSean was hardly visible. So Phillybirds lets not get carried away.
No, they are not crap. And DeSean is not Megatron or Fitz. I'm not getting carried away at all. I don't think it's getting carried away to say that the Eagles are better with DeSean then without him. I think it's a pretty reasonable statement.
 
I think this says it best on this ESPN article.

Thing is, Larry Fitzgerald manages to impact games without the help of a strong threat on the opposite side of the field. So do Calvin Johnson and Steve Smith and Brandon Marshall. And while Jackson might not be the same kind of player those receivers are, he certainly wanted the Eagles to believe he was when he went into this season asking for a long-term contract extension. If you want to get paid like one of the best receivers in the game, you have to find a way to transcend the obstacles put in your path by such things as increased attention from the defense and injuries to key teammates.

The other thing is, the Eagles are drowning in negativity right now. The atmosphere around the team as it has sunk to 4-8 after such high preseason expectations is one that will foster "petty stuff" and lead people to look for and believe the worst about the players involved. Jackson has made himself a target with his recent behavior -- the Week 10 benching for missing a meeting, the Week 11 taunting penalty, the Week 12 drops and resultant fourth-quarter benching. He's come out and admitted that his contract situation has been bothering and distracting him. When you do all of those things, you're putting yourself in a position to be picked at. People are going to be looking for reasons to criticize you. You need to be flawless and above reproach in your public behavior and the appearance you put forth, or else you're going to find yourself subject to "petty" critiques as well as legitimate ones.

So I don't know whether the criticisms of Jackson, his performance and his body language Thursday night were justified. But I do know they wouldn't have happened but for the way he played and conducted himself in the three weeks prior. Reid, Jackson and the Eagles have had a lousy, underachieving season and invited people to think the worst of them. That's why they find themselves having to defend against such "petty stuff."

 
Thing is, Larry Fitzgerald manages to impact games without the help of a strong threat on the opposite side of the field. So do Calvin Johnson and Steve Smith and Brandon Marshall.
How many game winning punt returns do those guys have?I bet Caughlin would fall all overhimself to get Desean on the team just to not worry about going against him. (their special teams are still more special olympics too)
 
Thing is, Larry Fitzgerald manages to impact games without the help of a strong threat on the opposite side of the field. So do Calvin Johnson and Steve Smith and Brandon Marshall.
How many game winning punt returns do those guys have?
Jackson's skills as a punt returner DO NOT make him as valuable or worth as much as stud receivers like Megatron and Fitz. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Yeah cause Maclin and Avant are just crap and the entire WR core is nothing without DeSean Jackson. Lets be real here. DeSean Jackson is a threat. But he isn't Megatron, or Fitzgerald or anything. The Eagles could still win plenty of games without DeSean. I mean they've won games this year where DeSean was hardly visible. So Phillybirds lets not get carried away.
No, they are not crap. And DeSean is not Megatron or Fitz. I'm not getting carried away at all. I don't think it's getting carried away to say that the Eagles are better with DeSean then without him. I think it's a pretty reasonable statement.
They suck with him so how much worse could they be without him? Maybe they'll get someone that can actually make a play and not drop TDs when the team's back is against a wall.
 
Eagle's Jackson Scaring Off Prospective Teams

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_direct_snap_desean_jackson_free_agency_eagles_120611

Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson has almost gotten to the point that he is radioactive. That’s not good for a pending unrestricted free agent looking to cash in big time during the offseason.

While no one with Jackson’s immense talent is ever completely untouchable, five NFL team personnel executives interviewed by Yahoo! Sports said they would have no interest in pursuing him. Two of the executives’ opinions were strengthened following Jackson’s alarming display Thursday night in which he essentially quit on the Eagles.

“If that was my kid out there, I would have gotten out of the stands, gone on the field and pulled him off myself and said, ‘You obviously don’t want to be here, so stop hurting your team,’ ” said an NFL team executive who attended the Eagles’ 31-14 loss to the Seattle Seahawks. “I’m serious, it was embarrassing. I know that [Philadelphia coach] Andy [Reid] is protecting him and saying all that stuff [the] NFL Network showed was wrong, but I don’t get it.”

Unfortunately, what Jackson is seemingly lacking is that kind of fatherly tough love. Jackson’s father, Bill, died of cancer in May 2009. Right now, Jackson is a guy who could use some guidance because it seems that with every passing week, he is costing himself money.

The five executives, who come from four teams, asked not to be identified because talking openly about Jackson and his pending free agency violate league tampering rules. Still, none of them said they would endorse signing him and none had anything positive to say about Jackson other than some version of “he’s a game-changing player when he wants to be.”

When he wants to be.

Yes, all five executives realize Jackson is going to go somewhere and create problems for the league in terms of X’s and O’s. Still, all said they’d rather let him be another team’s headache.

“There are a couple of scenarios in which you sign him,” a second NFC team executive said. “You either have a renegade coach who says, ‘I can handle him.’ Or you’re a team that feels you’re really close to winning a championship , that you’re only a player or two away. Actually, it’s probably both. You have to go in knowing that you’re probably going to have to get rid of him in two or three years.”

As for coaches, the usual suspects popped up. From Rex Ryan with the New York Jets to Mike Shanahan in Washington to Jon Gruden if he returns to the sideline, there are always coaches who feel they can control a recalcitrant player. That creates enough landing spots. The problem, though, is that Jackson – through his series of issues such as pouting about money, missing a team meeting, complaining about not getting the ball in the middle of the season and now playing a game as if he was some ticked off teenager – has pushed plenty of suitors away.

“You know what tells me the most? That the Eagles haven’t seriously tried to re-sign the guy,” said another exec from an NFC team. “You know the way they do business. If they think a player is good, they go to him early and do a long-term deal. Even if a player waits, they’re willing to pay market value the way they did with [then free agent] Nnamdi [Asomugha], [Michael] Vick and [then free agent Jevon] Kearse. It makes me think that there are a lot of other things we have no idea about with this guy.”

The bottom line is that Jackson is now no more trusted than he was in 2008, when he was drafted No. 49 overall, falling out of the first round despite his tremendous speed and quickness. In fact, one of the executives made a point to bring up Jackson’s past because it’s largely his present.

“The stuff we heard about him coming out of [the University of California] is that he needed to go away and mature,” the executive said.

At this point, leaving the Bay Area hasn’t fully helped Jackson grow up.

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My take: I hope this report is true and not just posturing by anonymous NFL execs. And if so, good. DeSean deserves what's coming to him, in the form of less money and interest than there would have been had he been busting his tail this season. Either hold and prove your point, or show up and demonstrate why you feel you deserve more money. He's handled this situation with zero professionalism.

 
Marty Mornhinweg: DeSean is "all in" Dec 8 12/8/2011 1:43:07 PM | More Offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg praised the effort of star wide receiver DeSean Jackson today according to Jonathan Tamari of the Philadelphia Inquirer.Mornhinweg, meeting with reporters for the first time since Jackson was criticized for his effort against the Seahawks, said he has been "absolutely" happy with the receiver's work ethic."For the last several weeks, he was just terrific. He was working hard and great preparation," Mornhinweg said. "He has never really faded from the hard work and preparation. He's been through a long year as well. He’s got a few things going on ... he’s growing as a professional, he’s certainly all in here."
 
I am not surprised that some GMs are down on him, but all it takes is one for him to give him what he thinks he deserves. And I am sure several will think they can make him happy and get max production out of him, so I suspect he'll get paid nicely.

 
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I can see DeSean Jackson doing some real damage on a team with an established (true) #1 WR and a QB that throws a good deep ball. An example would be; Houston playing opposite Andre Johnson.

Without a talented WR opposite him, he seems to be just another straight-line, speed guy that teams can diffuse rather easily.

I don't think anyone really sees him as a #1 stud WR (aside from Jackson himself), and he's probably cost himself quite a bit of money this season with his actions... so the chances for him to land somewhere as an "option 2 - deep threat" are highly likely (I would think).

 
It's interesting to me how quick people are to side with the Billionaires in situations like this.
In this case, yes, I am siding with the billionaires. Desean is acting like a punk, 81tch. I can't stand grown men acting like that. There's no excuse. He should have just held out all together...not go out there and half ### everything and joke about it.I'd laugh my ### off if he doesn't get his fat contract next year either and has to settle for an average contract. And he should be thankful to get that...or go flip some burgers since that's probably the extent of his mental capabilities.
 
There’s been a lot of vitriol, lot of venting from DJAX owners and people who hate him and his style. Count me as another that can’t stand the guy. I hate his half-### attitude, his pompous sneers, his sideline antics, and even his post game interviews that make you want to reach through the TV screen and punch him in the ear hole. Combine all that with his steadily declining performance as a one trick pony and decoy and it’s easy to dismiss him for the fantasy playoffs. FBG’s rankings seem to have him just outside startable or WR3 status.

But just when it seems clear he’s a turd, he seems to have the vote of confidence from his offensive coordinator and head coach. That usually bodes well for increased opportunities going forward in the gameplan. It’d be a lot clearer if his coaches had joined the crowd and universally threw him under the bus. But they support him, and it’s hard to understand why.

Hmmm…. He may be a boom/bust candidate that could put your team over the top, or he could be a giant hole in your lineup. Even though his last game was disappointing (in PPR ~8 pts), you have to feel that is still not a terrible floor. You have to bite your lip on Sunday morning and cross your fingers if you start this guy during your playoff week. I have a feeling I’ll be subbing him into and out of my lineup multiple times considering him over more stable, but lower ceiling guys.

 
Unfair, I'd be pissed too. People forget that DeSean is a kid, that's what he is, a young man. A young man that is super talented and wants to be treated fairly. For the last couple of seasons DeSean Jackson was their biggest offensive weapon as a receiver and on special teams. This guy is playing on his rookie contract which is going to net him 660,000 this year. He didn't ask for a new contract his rookie year or last year but his contract year. Managing 101- You can give all the pat's on the back and the "good jobs" but you really know how important you are to a company/team by compensation. DeSean is not working at McDonalds, he's an NFL wide receiver.. that means he's not entitled to maximize his bank account? Personally, if I was his agent, I would tell him to dog it too. I wouldn't catch anything over the middle, I wouldn't play if I had a simple headache. Yes, this is a team sport, but do you think he honestly feels like he's part of this team? I wouldn't. DeSean is a great player in a bad situation. He might be ruining your fantasy season, but he'll be healthy enough to sign his next contract. Which I'm sure is going to be worth more than 660,000.DeSean to the Raiders.
I find this argument weak. Isn't Ray Rice still playing on his rookie contract? Isn't he one of the top 3 RBs in the NFL? I don't hear him complaining about his money or letting it interfere with his play.
 
'az_prof said:
Unfair, I'd be pissed too. People forget that DeSean is a kid, that's what he is, a young man. A young man that is super talented and wants to be treated fairly. For the last couple of seasons DeSean Jackson was their biggest offensive weapon as a receiver and on special teams. This guy is playing on his rookie contract which is going to net him 660,000 this year. He didn't ask for a new contract his rookie year or last year but his contract year. Managing 101- You can give all the pat's on the back and the "good jobs" but you really know how important you are to a company/team by compensation. DeSean is not working at McDonalds, he's an NFL wide receiver.. that means he's not entitled to maximize his bank account? Personally, if I was his agent, I would tell him to dog it too. I wouldn't catch anything over the middle, I wouldn't play if I had a simple headache. Yes, this is a team sport, but do you think he honestly feels like he's part of this team? I wouldn't. DeSean is a great player in a bad situation. He might be ruining your fantasy season, but he'll be healthy enough to sign his next contract. Which I'm sure is going to be worth more than 660,000.DeSean to the Raiders.
I find this argument weak. Isn't Ray Rice still playing on his rookie contract? Isn't he one of the top 3 RBs in the NFL? I don't hear him complaining about his money or letting it interfere with his play.
But the Ravens weren't throwing all sorts of money at free agents like the Eagles were. Not saying Jacksons right but I can understand his frustration when the Eagles went on a big spending spree yet negleted to redo his contract...something that's very common once a contract is in the final year.
 

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