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Highest Ceiling (1 Viewer)
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Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
Royal has the highest ceiling and I don't think it's close
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Tough call. Louis Murphy is the #1 WR in OAK looking to be in a breakout pattern with a decent QB tossing the ball.
Louis Murphy.
Louis Murphy.
sirfumblesalot
Footballguy
Definitely agree. With Campbell throwing the ball Murphy has some great potential for this year. I really am high on Oakland improving in all facets of the game this year and that includes a big bump for the passing game.
wudaben
Footballguy
This isn't who you think will be the best... this is who has the highest ceiling and that is absolutely Mike Williams!
Kid caught 81 Receptions for 1,265 Yards and 14TDs as a Freshman and 95 for 1,314 w/ 16TDs as a sophomore in college. With his physical skills it's not even close. Now... when you bring his head into the equation then everything changes in real life but the guy with the greatest upside is Mike Williams!
Kid caught 81 Receptions for 1,265 Yards and 14TDs as a Freshman and 95 for 1,314 w/ 16TDs as a sophomore in college. With his physical skills it's not even close. Now... when you bring his head into the equation then everything changes in real life but the guy with the greatest upside is Mike Williams!
Happy Ragnarok
Footballguy
If these guys all go off for 100/1 in week one, Mike Williams has double the value of anyone else on that list. People want to believe in a good story.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
Gaffney could easily get 1100 receiving yards and 7 TDs this year. He's light years ahead of the rest of this group.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
I'll disagree with you on that. It would be Royal's value who goes up because he's already proven he could be a top 20 WR with Marshall. Imagine without now.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Some guys aren't really thinking this through.
Highest ceiling = potential for greatest season if all things go well.
One guy in this list has been an elite talent and he also has the most accomplished (though old & injury plagued) QB out of the bunch.
If you think the answer is Louis Murphy or Jabar Gaffney, you are reading the question wrong.
A case can be made for Royal, but I don't see how you can't see the upside of Mike X. Williams and know that he has the highest ceiling.
ETA: In the "who was the greatest college WR you've ever seen" thread, Mike's name came up repeatedly.
Highest ceiling = potential for greatest season if all things go well.
One guy in this list has been an elite talent and he also has the most accomplished (though old & injury plagued) QB out of the bunch.
If you think the answer is Louis Murphy or Jabar Gaffney, you are reading the question wrong.
A case can be made for Royal, but I don't see how you can't see the upside of Mike X. Williams and know that he has the highest ceiling.
ETA: In the "who was the greatest college WR you've ever seen" thread, Mike's name came up repeatedly.
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Football Critic
Footballguy
I like Tampa Mike!
Pots
Footballguy
That's nice. Not an option. Thanks for playing!
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
Definitelty BMW due to his chance to catch 10+ TDs.
No other WR on this list is a red zone threat.
Louis Murphy would be 2nd and the rest far behind b/c "they are who we thought they are".
No other WR on this list is a red zone threat.
Louis Murphy would be 2nd and the rest far behind b/c "they are who we thought they are".
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Jayrod
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Orton to Gaffney or Orton to Royal is the best you can do here? Really?We are talking BMW with pro-bowler Hasselbeck. And injury concerns don't come into play when talking "highest ceiling".
Pots
Footballguy
Do you think Hasselbeck has a better year than Orton? I don't and I'm a BMW owner. Thus the #1 WR on the Broncos will have a higher ceiling.Orton to Gaffney or Orton to Royal is the best you can do here? Really?We are talking BMW with pro-bowler Hasselbeck. And injury concerns don't come into play when talking "highest ceiling".
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
You really think Gaffney and Royal have the same ceiling?Gaffney is in his 9th year and he's cracked 700 yards just once.
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
Both SEA and DEN are train wrecks but BMW presents the unknown so the "ceiling" is higher b/c you just don't know what he can do. He has looked awesome thus far in SEA. On the other hand, Orton, Gaffney and Royal have looked like....well...Orton, Gaffney and Royal. McDunce has ruined DEN for fantasy - stay far away.Do you think Hasselbeck has a better year than Orton? I don't and I'm a BMW owner. Thus the #1 WR on the Broncos will have a higher ceiling.Orton to Gaffney or Orton to Royal is the best you can do here? Really?We are talking BMW with pro-bowler Hasselbeck. And injury concerns don't come into play when talking "highest ceiling".
killrobotkill
Footballguy
Do you think Hasselbeck has a better year than Orton? I don't and I'm a BMW owner. Thus the #1 WR on the Broncos will have a higher ceiling.
Don't discount Orton this year - he's completely healed from his ankle injury last year, his team defense sucks which means he'll be passing a lot late in the game, he's had a great preseason, and he just got a one year contract extension. Not to say he's going to light the league on fire, but he should be a solid QB2, which is more than I can say for Hasselbeck.
wudaben
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I understand your frustration! Hasselbeck may be long past his ceiling but at Orton's best he couldn't reach 3/4 of Hasselbeck's potential. BMW easily has the most potential. Again... it doesn't mean he'll actually realize it but the only answer to this question is BMW.Orton to Gaffney or Orton to Royal is the best you can do here? Really?We are talking BMW with pro-bowler Hasselbeck. And injury concerns don't come into play when talking "highest ceiling".
Jayrod
Footballguy
No, I think Orton will have a better season, but that's not what we are talking about here (thus theDo you think Hasselbeck has a better year than Orton? I don't and I'm a BMW owner. Thus the #1 WR on the Broncos will have a higher ceiling.
We are talking BMW with pro-bowler Hasselbeck. And injury concerns don't come into play when talking "highest ceiling".
)We are talking about CEILING!!! That means everything goes perfect. QB stays upright all year, plays to his potential, a couple of lucky breaks, game situations dictate more passing, etc. If that is the case for all of these guys, than I think BMW will blow the others on the list out of the water. He has the potential for 85-1250-15 type numbers in an ideal situation. None of those other guys would even break 10 TD's even if they were in as ideal a spot as possible. I could see Royal catching 100 balls, but nowhere near the yards and TD's that BMW could get. Gaffney and Murphy couldn't put up those kind of numbers playing anywhere.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I think it's funny we have forceful responses for everyone but Hester. He was my first thought for CEILING. If he turns out to be the #1 option in a Mike Martz offense (not saying he WILL, but he COULD) receiving passes from gunslinger Cutler, I think his ceiling is higher than the others. His odds might be a little lower due to the fact that we don't know where he will fall in the pecking order, but if things break right, he could be lights out.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
By the way, we are talking about the Mike Williams who in a 3 year, 3 team career (after which he was canned by his THIRD team) put up a total of 539 yards and 2 TDs right?
I know, I know, water under the bridge, fresh start etc. It's almost like his pro career never happened.
I know, I know, water under the bridge, fresh start etc. It's almost like his pro career never happened.
grouse
Footballguy
mikel0254
Footballguy
While I'd agree with this if this was the 99' Rams, but this is the 10' Bears. Their O line is not strong enough for Martz to implement his offense properly. IMO - This offense will be bottom quartile this year1. Hester2. Gaffney3. Murphy4. Williams
grouse
Footballguy
And the Broncos, Raiders and Seahawks are closer to the '99 Rams than the '10 Bears?While I'd agree with this if this was the 99' Rams, but this is the 10' Bears. Their O line is not strong enough for Martz to implement his offense properly. IMO - This offense will be bottom quartile this year1. Hester2. Gaffney3. Murphy4. Williams
mikel0254
Footballguy
Not saying that at all. His reasoning for picking Hester was he was the #1 option in a Mike Martz offense. I simply commented that this is not the Mike Martz offense of old...this IMO is going to be a failed experiment and their offense will not perform like a typical MM offense.BTW - to answer the OP's question, I think Gaffney has the highest ceiling. There are 100+ balls that went to Marshall that are now up for grabs, and it looks like Gaffney will be the prime recipient of thoseAnd the Broncos, Raiders and Seahawks are closer to the '99 Rams than the '10 Bears?While I'd agree with this if this was the 99' Rams, but this is the 10' Bears. Their O line is not strong enough for Martz to implement his offense properly. IMO - This offense will be bottom quartile this year
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
It's a fair point. But I think the offense will work "well enough" to produce good WR stats. It always has in the past.In Detroit, the team sucked, but the passing game was pretty good (at least by way of numbers). Kitna produced his first 4000 yards season under Martz. The year after they fired him (when the team was 7-9) was the year they went 0-16 with an absolutely horrible offense.Quick edit, I looked up team passing rankings for the years around when Martz was there (year, followed by team rank in NFL)05 26th (year b4 Martz)06 7th (1st Martz year)07 9th (2nd Martz year)08 24th (year after Martz)You can draw your own conclusions there.Not much to report in SF - he never got it going there.But the point is, regardless of whether the team or even the offense is successful overall, we know almost for certain that they will throw a lot. With Hester's speed a fair amount of those balls could turn into long TDs. Again, I'm not saying it WILL happen, just that it is conceivable, whereas I have a lot of trouble envisioning those other guys producing monster seasons.Not saying that at all. His reasoning for picking Hester was he was the #1 option in a Mike Martz offense. I simply commented that this is not the Mike Martz offense of old...this IMO is going to be a failed experiment and their offense will not perform like a typical MM offense.BTW - to answer the OP's question, I think Gaffney has the highest ceiling. There are 100+ balls that went to Marshall that are now up for grabs, and it looks like Gaffney will be the prime recipient of thoseAnd the Broncos, Raiders and Seahawks are closer to the '99 Rams than the '10 Bears?While I'd agree with this if this was the 99' Rams, but this is the 10' Bears. Their O line is not strong enough for Martz to implement his offense properly. IMO - This offense will be bottom quartile this year
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FavreCo
Footballguy
When did McIdiot get fired? Royal is stuck on that team for a while. His talents waste away.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Hester
Happy Ragnarok
Footballguy
Not the way the human mind works. People are willing to believe in miracles until they've seen the man behind the curtain. 100/1 out of Royal, and you'll have people projecting a reapeat of his 90/980/5 campaign. Maybe...MAYBE...a 10% bump that would reflect natural growth as a player.There's still mystery about Williams. People haven't seen enough of a campaign out of him to believe the magic is gone yet. He's the guy who was going to reinvent the position five years ago, just a little more world weary and a little wiser. 100/1 out of BMW week one, and you're going to see people coming out of the woodwork to bandy about 1300/9 type projections.
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