Hightower/Helu Moving Forward (1 Viewer)

[wbaaoz]

Wanted to get the SP's consensus on this.

Are Hightower and/or Helu even rosterable at this point? Or is the Washington backfield such a cluster-eff that we all should be advised to stay away from them?

In many of leagues there are really no RBs on the WWs. Do these guys have any future value in a re-draft? Or should they be dropped for a flier or low-tier WR?

Thoughts?

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I currently own both. Right now they're virtually un-startable, even in flex weeks. They're both liable to put up goose-eggs. Part of me wants to drop them, avoid this headache for the rest of the season, and see about picking up some WR with a huge upside. The other half of me is telling me to hold on, Torain will get hurt, and one of these guys will have value towards the end of the season. I'm torn. Just wanted to hear other thoughts.

 

[Thumper]

Wanted to get the SP's consensus on this.Are Hightower and/or Helu even rosterable at this point? Or is the Washington backfield such a cluster-eff that we all should be advised to stay away from them?In many of leagues there are really no RBs on the WWs. Do these guys have any future value in a re-draft? Or should they be dropped for a flier or low-tier WR?Thoughts?----I currently own both. Right now they're virtually un-startable, even in flex weeks. They're both liable to put up goose-eggs. Part of me wants to drop them, avoid this headache for the rest of the season, and see about picking up some WR with a huge upside. The other half of me is telling me to hold on, Torain will get hurt, and one of these guys will have value towards the end of the season. I'm torn. Just wanted to hear other thoughts.

I wouldn't drop either one. You never know what is going to happen in WSH.

 

[wbaaoz]

That is true. But I see it either ending up being horribly rewarding, or just horribly horrible.

 

[whodeywhodey]

That is true. But I see it either ending up being horribly rewarding, or just horribly horrible.

Rotoworld hinting that Hightower is starting.

 

[Bayhawks]

Wanted to get the SP's consensus on this.Are Hightower and/or Helu even rosterable at this point? Or is the Washington backfield such a cluster-eff that we all should be advised to stay away from them?In many of leagues there are really no RBs on the WWs. Do these guys have any future value in a re-draft? Or should they be dropped for a flier or low-tier WR?Thoughts?----I currently own both. Right now they're virtually un-startable, even in flex weeks. They're both liable to put up goose-eggs. Part of me wants to drop them, avoid this headache for the rest of the season, and see about picking up some WR with a huge upside. The other half of me is telling me to hold on, Torain will get hurt, and one of these guys will have value towards the end of the season. I'm torn. Just wanted to hear other thoughts.

Hightower should definitely be rostered (AT THE VERY LEAST, UNTIL AFTER THIS WEEK'S GAME). Torain hasn't shown an ability to stay healthy. Helu should be rostered in deeper leagues, but in 12-team (or less) leagues, with 15 man (or less) rosters, I don't think Helu will be on a roster, at this point.

 

[whodeywhodey]

You all are crazy talking about dropping hightower.

 

[LawFitz]

Give it at least another week or two to see how things shake out, but Torain looked way better than both THT and Helu in the last game.

 

[wbaaoz]

Give it at least another week or two to see how things shake out, but Torain looked way better than both THT and Helu in the last game.

That he did.And I mean it seems like no matter what Helu is going to be getting a few carries a game, and he was an early round draft pick. And I know this is the typical Shanahan situation. But unfortunately, these guys (at least in my league) aren't even tradeable.Has anyone gotten trade value out of THT?

 

[phillybirds]

I think any of the three of them could be worth something at some point. Looks like Torain is going to be the main guy for right now. In a few weeks that could be Helu, or Hightower. I have Helu and am holding him for now. I could see a situation where at some point he's the guy for a few starts. I wouldn't count on any of them for the long term. But any of them could be the guy for a few games depending on an injury or a good performance. Ride the hot hand. Right now that looks like Torain and if I had him I'd start him. At worst flex him if you have two more reliable players to plug in at RB.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I have already dropped Helu after holding all season waiting for THT to go in the doghouse. I'd have kept him if it weren't for bye week issues. I have Torain in my other league, and feel like one lotto ticket panned out and the other you rip up like a back of the pack racehorse. If I had THT, I'd probably hold awhile longer, if possible.

Torain is the man to own by a wide margin imo.

 

[RUSF18]

I see no reason to drop Hightower unless you're playing in a very small, shallow league.

 

[phillybirds]

In order of who I'd rather have...

1. Torain - Shanny really seems to like the guy (but could have problem with injuries)

2. Helu - Young guy with a lot of potential

3. Hightower - Seems to be in Shanny's doghouse...low per average carries.

But again, I wouldn't count on any long term...but worth holding one of them because at any point they could be the guy for 3 or 4 weeks with really nice numbers.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

When we have questions like "should we drop player X," it really depends on league size and roster size. You'd have to be in an 8 or 10 team league with small roster sizes to drop Hightower. In your normal sized and rostered leagues, Hightower should not be dropped. He's shown the ability to have success in Washington and Torain hasn't stayed healthy long term.

Helu, I'd drop him unless your roster sizes or huge. In leagues where you can start just 2 Rb's, it's hard to imagine starting Helu anytime soon IMO but in large leagues where you can flex out to 4 rb's, you have bye's and injuries, it may be worth holding onto. I haven't been on the Helu bandwagon at all so it may be easy for me to say but I have little interest in him in 12 team redraft leagues.

 

[UFGator0587]

I'm in the awful position of owning both Hightower and Torain in both of my leagues. One is a 10 team and the other a 12 team. I drafted Hightower in both leagues and then picked up Torain after his big week. I tried to trade Hightower before his 2pt performance in week 4 but even when he was putting up solid numbers nobody wanted him. I've made all sorts of offers since then but I've had a few people flat out tell me that they wouldn't take anything for Hightower and wouldn't pick him up if I dropped him. That could be a way of telling me to drop him so they can pick him up but either way I know this...I won't be able to trade Hightower for just about anyone of value in either my 10 or 12-team league.

I'm hoping Torain explodes and I can drop Hightower for a decent WW guy without feeling awful about it.

 

[shnikies]

That is true. But I see it either ending up being horribly rewarding, or just horribly horrible.

Rotoworld hinting that Hightower is starting.

Unless your league gives out bonus points if your running back gets the first carry, starting is pretty meaningless. Regardless, you hold onto Hightower to see how the carries are distributed and at the very least he's an excellent handcuff due to Torain's injury history.

 

[D'OHtis]

Timmy was running like a mad man this preseason and early on this year. Guy has really come a long way (really has improved himself since coming into the league)

His problem lately (and reason he's never going to be a long-term every down guy) is his tendency to bounce things outside. He doesn't have the speed to get the corner consistently. He's quick -- not fast. He looks very good when his plants his foot in the ground and goes.

I'd still keep a roster spot for him. (He's going to be in there on 3rd downs at the min)

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

people seem to forget that THT was injured and has just had 2 weeks off for all intents and purposes. I think it's THT longterm, with healthy spelling by Torrain and helu. Right now it's a toss up who's gonna score more this week.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

people seem to forget that THT was injured and has just had 2 weeks off for all intents and purposes. I think it's THT longterm, with healthy spelling by Torrain and helu. Right now it's a toss up who's gonna score more this week.

I think THT was a stop gap for this year. Torain is a Shanny favorite and if he is healthy is the power runner to own. And Shanny hand picked Helu. Obviously Helu is what Shanny wants out of the position. So he is likely the future. Having said all that, it is a committee this year. I hate to say it, but Shanny has not been hiding the ball on this (heh). He'll go with the hot hand. Personally, I expect Helu to get more touches as the year goes on because he provides more flexibility in the pass game and teams eventually are going to be keying on Washington's power run game. Guys are going to get banged up soon. Just the nature of the game.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

people seem to forget that THT was injured and has just had 2 weeks off for all intents and purposes. I think it's THT longterm, with healthy spelling by Torrain and helu. Right now it's a toss up who's gonna score more this week.

I think THT was a stop gap for this year. Torain is a Shanny favorite and if he is healthy is the power runner to own. And Shanny hand picked Helu. Obviously Helu is what Shanny wants out of the position. So he is likely the future. Having said all that, it is a committee this year. I hate to say it, but Shanny has not been hiding the ball on this (heh). He'll go with the hot hand. Personally, I expect Helu to get more touches as the year goes on because he provides more flexibility in the pass game and teams eventually are going to be keying on Washington's power run game. Guys are going to get banged up soon. Just the nature of the game.

Maybe I should qualify that. This is shannahan after all. By "long-term" I meant FF playoffs this year...

 

[davearm]

This week I got an offer of THT and Helu for my Benson. I have zero reluctance to dealing Benson, but I couldn't hit decline fast enough on that one.

The last thing I need is to be burning not one, but two roster spots on this hot mess.

 

[TS Garp]

I expect Helu to have considerable value before the year is out. I know the word right now is that he's being viewed strictly as a change-of-pace back but I think there's a very good chance that Torain misses time, and if/when that happens, I think Helu will at least be on the good end of a two-back rotation with Hightower (something like 65/35) and could be in store for more than that. He's one of the best RB's to stash.

 

[shnikies]

people seem to forget that THT was injured and has just had 2 weeks off for all intents and purposes. I think it's THT longterm, with healthy spelling by Torrain and helu. Right now it's a toss up who's gonna score more this week.

Though this is a possible outcome, it's a bad bet. I own Hightower in a few leagues and Torain in a few others, I think I'm not alone in thinking Torain is far and away more valuable than Hightower barring injury. Torain getting injured is the best chance for Hightower being relevant again and even with Torain's injury history that doesn't bode well for Hightower.

 

[Bayhawks]

I think THT was a stop gap for this year. Torain is a Shanny favorite and if he is healthy is the power runner to own. And Shanny hand picked Helu. Obviously Helu is what Shanny wants out of the position. So he is likely the future.

Couldn't you make the EXACT SAME statement about Hightower, since Shanahan traded for Hightower (and from my understanding, HE contacted the Cardinals, and not vice versa)?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I think THT was a stop gap for this year. Torain is a Shanny favorite and if he is healthy is the power runner to own. And Shanny hand picked Helu. Obviously Helu is what Shanny wants out of the position. So he is likely the future.

Couldn't you make the EXACT SAME statement about Hightower, since Shanahan traded for Hightower (and from my understanding, HE contacted the Cardinals, and not vice versa)?

Actually, it could have been viewed as Shannihan dumping Vonnie Holiday for what he could get. After the Cards drafted a RB, Hightower was expendable. Shanny made the move and got another RB, while simultaneously getting rid of dead wood on the defensive line. Looks like the move paid off in more than one way for the Redskins.On the other hand, Helu was hand picked in the draft.

Not EXACTLY exactly.

 

[Bayhawks]

Actually, it could have been viewed as Shannihan dumping Vonnie Holiday for what he could get. On the other hand, Helu was hand picked in the draft.Not EXACTLY exactly.

Let me see if I get this straight.Shanahan is unable to make any FA moves, because of the lockout, so they "hand-pick" Helu in the 4th round (not the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd).Less than a week after FA opened this off-season, Shanahan contacted the Cardinals, and "dumped" Vonnie Holiday, ALONG WITH A 2012 DRAFT PICK, just to get rid of "dead wood" on the defensive line. Keep in mind that Shanahan is the same guy who refused to cut/trade Haynesworth last year, despite his extraordinary salary; he doesn't seem to be inclined to "get rid of dead wood." Now, keep in mind that Vonnie Holiday is making $1,000,000 this year & Hightower is making $1.2 million this year. Both are on 1-year contracts.So, according to your logic, Shanahan wanted to get rid of "dead wood" in Holliday, so he made a trade that is costing the Skins $200,000 PLUS a draft pick. This is how you are rationalizing your belief that Shanahan picked Helu and not Hightower?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Actually, it could have been viewed as Shannihan dumping Vonnie Holiday for what he could get. On the other hand, Helu was hand picked in the draft.Not EXACTLY exactly.

Let me see if I get this straight.Shanahan is unable to make any FA moves, because of the lockout, so they "hand-pick" Helu in the 4th round (not the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd).Less than a week after FA opened this off-season, Shanahan contacted the Cardinals, and "dumped" Vonnie Holiday, ALONG WITH A 2012 DRAFT PICK, just to get rid of "dead wood" on the defensive line. Keep in mind that Shanahan is the same guy who refused to cut/trade Haynesworth last year, despite his extraordinary salary; he doesn't seem to be inclined to "get rid of dead wood." Now, keep in mind that Vonnie Holiday is making $1,000,000 this year & Hightower is making $1.2 million this year. Both are on 1-year contracts.So, according to your logic, Shanahan wanted to get rid of "dead wood" in Holliday, so he made a trade that is costing the Skins $200,000 PLUS a draft pick. This is how you are rationalizing your belief that Shanahan picked Helu and not Hightower?

How many RBs has Shannihan taken in later rounds and made into big time performers? Should I make a list? Most of his "Star" RBs have come as later round draft picks. He has a history.And, yes, unlike you who seems to know exactly what is going on in the locker room, Shannihan seems to have made the right decision on the composition of his locker room, considering the performance of the AZ Defense and Washington Defense so far this year. Sometimes you make addition through subtraction.And I didn't say he didn't "pick" Hightower. I said he hand picked Helu. At least that what Adam Schefter seems to think. "When Mike Shanahan traded up, that does tell you he plans to use him and likes him a lot," ESPN's Adam Schefter said on the telecast. "This is the area where he's drafted running backs in the past." http://bleacherreport.com/articles/682650-2011-nfl-draft-grades-report-cards-for-every-nfc-east-team/entry/75832-2011-nfl-draft-grades-washington-redskins-score-big-with-roy-helu-jrBut what does he know. You seem to have your finger on the pulse better than Schefter.FYI Schefter has Helu on his fantasy football team also.

 

[Bayhawks]

How many RBs has Shannihan taken in later rounds and made into big time performers? Should I make a list? Most of his "Star" RBs have come as later round draft picks. He has a history.

And, yes, unlike you who seems to know exactly what is going on in the locker room, Shannihan seems to have made the right decision on the composition of his locker room, considering the performance of the AZ Defense and Washington Defense so far this year.

Sometimes you make addition through subtraction.

And I didn't say he didn't "pick" Hightower. I said he hand picked Helu. At least that what Adam Schefter seems to think. "When Mike Shanahan traded up, that does tell you he plans to use him and likes him a lot," ESPN's Adam Schefter said on the telecast. "This is the area where he's drafted running backs in the past."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/682650-2011-nfl-draft-grades-report-cards-for-every-nfc-east-team/entry/75832-2011-nfl-draft-grades-washington-redskins-score-big-with-roy-helu-jr

But what does he know. You seem to have your finger on the pulse better than Schefter.

FYI Schefter has Helu on his fantasy football team also.

Hey buddy, I never said I have my finger on the pulse of anything.YOU stated that Shanahan hand-picked Helu.

I pointed out that since he traded for Hightower, you could say the same thing about him.

YOU replied that the Hightower trade should only be viewed as a means to "dump" Holliday, therefore your statement about Shanahan wanting Helu for the position was still valid.

I then pointed out how that is illogical. If he wanted to "dump" Holliday, he could have just cut him, and AT WORST been out the $1 million. But he decided to trade him for Hightower, who is making more $, AND gave up a draft pick. Therefore, your idea that the trade was done to "dump" Holliday doesn't hold water. So, Shanahan also "hand-picked" Hightower, so your belief that Helu must be what Shanahan wants in the position can't be accurate, because he also hand-picked Hightower (and Torain, for that matter, since he drafted him in Denver, and then signed him in Was). Following your reasoning, Torain, Hightower, AND Helu must "be what he [shanahan] wants in the position."

You made a flawed assumption, and I questioned it. I did so without insulting you or acting like a jerk. You responded with snide comments like "But what does he [Adam Schefter] know.{sic} You seem to have your finger on the pulse better than Schefter."

BTW-Schefter isn't as dialed in to the Redskins as you seem to think:

Westbrook cut

If you want to act like the SP police and chide people for "pissing in the Shark Pool" (Damian Williams thread), maybe you should zip it up yourself?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

How many RBs has Shannihan taken in later rounds and made into big time performers? Should I make a list? Most of his "Star" RBs have come as later round draft picks. He has a history.

And, yes, unlike you who seems to know exactly what is going on in the locker room, Shannihan seems to have made the right decision on the composition of his locker room, considering the performance of the AZ Defense and Washington Defense so far this year.

Sometimes you make addition through subtraction.

And I didn't say he didn't "pick" Hightower. I said he hand picked Helu. At least that what Adam Schefter seems to think. "When Mike Shanahan traded up, that does tell you he plans to use him and likes him a lot," ESPN's Adam Schefter said on the telecast. "This is the area where he's drafted running backs in the past."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/682650-2011-nfl-draft-grades-report-cards-for-every-nfc-east-team/entry/75832-2011-nfl-draft-grades-washington-redskins-score-big-with-roy-helu-jr

But what does he know. You seem to have your finger on the pulse better than Schefter.

FYI Schefter has Helu on his fantasy football team also.

Hey buddy, I never said I have my finger on the pulse of anything.YOU stated that Shanahan hand-picked Helu.

I pointed out that since he traded for Hightower, you could say the same thing about him.

YOU replied that the Hightower trade should only be viewed as a means to "dump" Holliday, therefore your statement about Shanahan wanting Helu for the position was still valid.

I then pointed out how that is illogical. If he wanted to "dump" Holliday, he could have just cut him, and AT WORST been out the $1 million. But he decided to trade him for Hightower, who is making more $, AND gave up a draft pick. Therefore, your idea that the trade was done to "dump" Holliday doesn't hold water. So, Shanahan also "hand-picked" Hightower, so your belief that Helu must be what Shanahan wants in the position can't be accurate, because he also hand-picked Hightower (and Torain, for that matter, since he drafted him in Denver, and then signed him in Was). Following your reasoning, Torain, Hightower, AND Helu must "be what he [shanahan] wants in the position."

You made a flawed assumption, and I questioned it. I did so without insulting you or acting like a jerk. You responded with snide comments like "But what does he [Adam Schefter] know.{sic} You seem to have your finger on the pulse better than Schefter."

BTW-Schefter isn't as dialed in to the Redskins as you seem to think:

Westbrook cut

If you want to act like the SP police and chide people for "pissing in the Shark Pool" (Damian Williams thread), maybe you should zip it up yourself?

I never said the word "only" (that is you trying to justify your comment) and I never said Shannihan didn't want Hightower. That is what you read into what I said.What I did say is that he hand picked Helu. And I'll stand by that. Shannihan has a long history of finding stud RBs in the middle rounds of the draft. Helu will end up, sooner or later, being the starting RB in Washington, and I'll stand by that also.

I also said it was addition through subtraction with Holiday. Not based on salary (what you read or tried to justify your being tool-ish with), but based on performance, locker room presence and the fact Holliday fits a 3-4 better than a 4-3. That is why I thought he was dead wood in Washington. That is also why I think Holiday has been bouncing around the league for the past few years since he was with the Packers. Besides the injuries he has sustained.

Shannihan obviously got good value for Holliday (even with the pick added in). Hightower has been playing well. I would say the early results supports that conclusion, on both sides of the ball and on both teams. Nothing illogical about the statement at all. But Im guessing if Shannihan couldn't trade him, he would have let him go anyways. Holliday just didn't fit the defensive scheme Shannihan installed, not at his age. Right now he is a nose tackle in a 3-4. And that's what a good GM does - fit the talent to the scheme. Hence why he went to Arizona offering.

Moreover,I don't know the statistics, but I'd be willing to bet Schefter is right much more than he is wrong. You can follow whomever you like, but I happen to like the guy.

And it did come off as you being being a little bit of a jerk. I apologize if I came off being a jerk back. The last thing I want to do is be a ##### to people in the pool. I usually don't come in criticizing anyone's opinion without statistical data to back me up. So far you have criticized me, provided an article where Schefter was wrong with info on the Redskins in September of last year (right after training camp) and have justified it with talk about 200K difference in salary structure. I don't see how that shows me that Shannihan doesn't have a history of drafting multiple RBs in middle rounds which later became productive starters.

He has a pattern. Doesn't mean he doesn't like Hightower. He knows what he wants out of his RBs. I just suspect he likes Helu more over the long haul. And maybe Torain more if he is healthy and running hard (the way he has been). I also think he has learned you need multiple RBs in this league.

So if I was a jerk, I apologize. But you have my reasons. I don't see any illogic to them at all.

 

[TwinTurbo]

It is almost a certainty that Helu will start at least one game this year. But good luck guessing which game it will be.

 

[kencav]

My take is that THT is the ideal 3rd down back in that he is an exceptional blocker and decent outlet reciever. As a first/second down back we already know what he brings to the table and it is mediocre at best. Torain is the ideal 1st/2nd down "pound it" i type back who wears down defenses and moves chains. Ideally this seems like the optimal rotation going forward. Helu though appears like most explosive of 3 and "change of pace guy" seems like a perfect role when defense is worn down and he could break a long one. Helu appears to "glide" when running and just soaks up chunks of yardage. If Torain gets hurt can easily see him as the 1st/2nd down back.....with THT primarily staying in that 3rd down role.

 

[Bayhawks]

I never said the word "only" (that is you trying to justify your comment) and I never said Shannihan didn't want Hightower. That is what you read into what I said.

Let me ask a semi-serious question. Did you think Bill Clinton's "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is" was a good argument? I ask because it seems like you are doing a similar thing.Now your argument is centered around the fact that you never used the word "only." Well, I never said you used the word only. However, if you use the argument that Helu was hand-picked by Shanahan, and therefore he's the future, the same argument holds true for Hightower and Torain. So unless you are suggesting that the future of the RB position in DC is a 3-way RBBC, your argument is inherently flawed.

I also said it was addition through subtraction with Holiday. Not based on salary (what you read or tried to justify your being tool-ish with), but based on performance, locker room presence and the fact Holliday fits a 3-4 better than a 4-3. That is why I thought he was dead wood in Washington. That is also why I think Holiday has been bouncing around the league for the past few years since he was with the Packers. Besides the injuries he has sustained.

If Helu was the future at RB in DC, why not just cut Holiday, then? It's cheaper, doesn't cost a draft pick, you rid yourself of the poor performance, bad locker room presence, etc, AND you don't acquire a RB who starts ahead of "the future?" That argument doesn't make sense. Pointing that out doesn't make me a tool; it's just discussion about FF on a FF message board. If you're so thin-skinned that you can't accept the fact that you aren't always right, that's your problem, not mine.

Moreover,I don't know the statistics, but I'd be willing to bet Schefter is right much more than he is wrong. You can follow whomever you like, but I happen to like the guy.

You can follow whomever you like as well, but when your argument includes "Schefter has Helu on his fantasy team, too;" instead of actually discussing the facts of the situation, that doesn't strengthen your position. MJD said he would have picked himself #1 overall in FF last year; does that make an argument to take him over ADP or Chris Johnson last year a better one?

And it did come off as you being being a little bit of a jerk.

How, exactly, was I a jerk? By pointing out the mistakes you made in your theories/beliefs?You said because Shanahan hand-picked Helu, that is what he wanted from RB in DC. I said he hand-picked Hightower (by going out and getting him in a trade), so you could say the same thing about him. Your response implied that he didn't really want Hightower, but he wanted to dump Holiday. When I pointed out how that didn't make sense since he could have dumped Holiday without paying more money and losing a draft pick, your response was basically "Schefter agrees with me and he has Helu on his FF team." Then I pointed out that Schefter has been wrong before about the Redskins, so he could be wrong again. You don't like that I disagree with you, that's your prerogative. The facts don't support your theory about the Hightower trade, and since the facts don't support that theory, your belief that Helu is what Shanahan wants at RB in DC is flawed, because the same argument could be applied to Hightower AND Torain.For the record, I own Helu in a dynasty league, and I hope that he is the future in DC; that doesn't mean I have to agree with your flawed "logic" about why he is the future there.

 

[Tuco]

Interesting discussion until the cat fight.

Back on topic... Helu or Hightower moving forward?

 

[The Captain]

Interesting discussion until the cat fight.Back on topic... Helu or Hightower moving forward?

This season, I say Hightower. Torain will most likely get hurt and Hightower will step back in. Long term it has to Helu. He has looked decent when given the chance. I'm sure he needs some blitz pick-up seasoning, but that's to be expected with rookie RBs.As someone mentioned above, all three will have their moments this year. It's just impossible to know whose turn it will be on any given week.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Any more thoughts on this? I have both and need to drop one.

Honestly I have no idea which is better to drop. Its a keeper league so perhaps Helu has more value.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Dropped Hightower in a shallow-ish dynasty league (230 players owned) for DeMarco Murray. Don't really care if he starts because a 3-way committee in Washington does me no favors. Will Hightower be startable as a RB2 this year if Torain stays healthy and Helu comes in on some 3rd downs? I don't see it. If that's so, I'd rather double down on Helu and hope next year he gets a full camp to beat out whatever turkeys Shanahan brings in.

 

[terpdgo]

i just dropped Hightower. I think he may be unplayable and untradeable at this moment. Obviously injury changes everything.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Any more thoughts on this? I have both and need to drop one.Honestly I have no idea which is better to drop. Its a keeper league so perhaps Helu has more value.

I'd definitely keep Helu.Torain is the guy right now, but he's very injury prone.Helu will get a chance to carry the load at some point, and he's probably the most talented of all 3.In a keeper league it's a no brainer to drop Hightower.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Interesting discussion until the cat fight.Back on topic... Helu or Hightower moving forward?

Does everyone forget about Shanny saying he almost benched Hightower (Before the injury) I think Hightower is in the doghouse myself and it has nothing to do with injury as to why he was benched. Other than Torain, Helu is the only other back with a shot at being the starter. Hightower had his chance and blew it.

 

[Flying Elvis]

From cbssports player notes:Shanny's reasoning for Hightower to be listed as starter last week:

"One of the reasons why I did it is that he’s been the starter for most of the year and I didn’t want to let them know who was going to start in the game," coach Mike Shanahan explained on Wednesday. "I really thought that Tim deserved it because of what he’d done through the preseason, what he’d done through the regular season and it was really an acknowledgement to the fans of who Tim is. I thought he deserved to be introduced.”

Yet Torain was the actual starter. I think the only surprise last week was the fact that they decided to unleash the beast that is Rex Grossman instead of hammering the ball down the throats of a terrible rush D. It sure looks like Torain is the guy to own right now. Helu may take over or Hightower may make a big comeback, but it's Torain now.

 

[sjdogs]

From cbssports player notes:Shanny's reasoning for Hightower to be listed as starter last week:

"One of the reasons why I did it is that he’s been the starter for most of the year and I didn’t want to let them know who was going to start in the game," coach Mike Shanahan explained on Wednesday. "I really thought that Tim deserved it because of what he’d done through the preseason, what he’d done through the regular season and it was really an acknowledgement to the fans of who Tim is. I thought he deserved to be introduced.”

Yet Torain was the actual starter. I think the only surprise last week was the fact that they decided to unleash the beast that is Rex Grossman instead of hammering the ball down the throats of a terrible rush D. It sure looks like Torain is the guy to own right now. Helu may take over or Hightower may make a big comeback, but it's Torain now.

I still believe in hightower

 

[phrozen]

people seem to forget that THT was injured and has just had 2 weeks off for all intents and purposes. I think it's THT longterm, with healthy spelling by Torrain and helu. Right now it's a toss up who's gonna score more this week.

I think THT was a stop gap for this year. Torain is a Shanny favorite and if he is healthy is the power runner to own. And Shanny hand picked Helu. Obviously Helu is what Shanny wants out of the position. So he is likely the future. Having said all that, it is a committee this year. I hate to say it, but Shanny has not been hiding the ball on this (heh). He'll go with the hot hand. Personally, I expect Helu to get more touches as the year goes on because he provides more flexibility in the pass game and teams eventually are going to be keying on Washington's power run game. Guys are going to get banged up soon. Just the nature of the game.

Torain is so much a Shanny favorite that he barely made the 53 man roster and did so because Royster couldn't beat him out.

 

[valhallan]

Hightower keeps his spot due to his versatility in blocking, receiving, and durability carrying the ball. He's a mid-range talent though, so on pure upside I'd roll the dice with Helu, who has looked demonstrably quicker to the hole and has shown comparable receiving ability.

 

[Scooter71]

Owned both Torain and THT until I dropped THT today. Someone inexplicably dropped Daniel Thomas, so I pounced.

Torain is the guy right now, but it is a gamble to hold any one of these guys. If Torain puts up another 22 yard effort, we may see Helu in there.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Torain is so much a Shanny favorite that he barely made the 53 man roster and did so because Royster couldn't beat him out.

There was some media speculation along these lines during preseason, mainly because Torain wasn't fully healthy most of the preseason, but I don't believe it to be remotely true. When healthy, Torain>>>Royster, and Shanahan, of all people, knows this.

 

[shnikies]

people seem to forget that THT was injured and has just had 2 weeks off for all intents and purposes. I think it's THT longterm, with healthy spelling by Torrain and helu. Right now it's a toss up who's gonna score more this week.

I think THT was a stop gap for this year. Torain is a Shanny favorite and if he is healthy is the power runner to own. And Shanny hand picked Helu. Obviously Helu is what Shanny wants out of the position. So he is likely the future. Having said all that, it is a committee this year. I hate to say it, but Shanny has not been hiding the ball on this (heh). He'll go with the hot hand. Personally, I expect Helu to get more touches as the year goes on because he provides more flexibility in the pass game and teams eventually are going to be keying on Washington's power run game. Guys are going to get banged up soon. Just the nature of the game.

Torain is so much a Shanny favorite that he barely made the 53 man roster and did so because Royster couldn't beat him out.

Did Shanahan tell you this?

 

[phrozen]

people seem to forget that THT was injured and has just had 2 weeks off for all intents and purposes. I think it's THT longterm, with healthy spelling by Torrain and helu. Right now it's a toss up who's gonna score more this week.

I think THT was a stop gap for this year. Torain is a Shanny favorite and if he is healthy is the power runner to own. And Shanny hand picked Helu. Obviously Helu is what Shanny wants out of the position. So he is likely the future. Having said all that, it is a committee this year. I hate to say it, but Shanny has not been hiding the ball on this (heh). He'll go with the hot hand. Personally, I expect Helu to get more touches as the year goes on because he provides more flexibility in the pass game and teams eventually are going to be keying on Washington's power run game. Guys are going to get banged up soon. Just the nature of the game.

Torain is so much a Shanny favorite that he barely made the 53 man roster and did so because Royster couldn't beat him out.

Did Shanahan tell you this?

It was widely covered here locally both on sports radio and in print. And the fact that Torain was one of the last to make the team can speak volumes.HTH

 

[GDogg]

people seem to forget that THT was injured and has just had 2 weeks off for all intents and purposes. I think it's THT longterm, with healthy spelling by Torrain and helu. Right now it's a toss up who's gonna score more this week.

I think THT was a stop gap for this year. Torain is a Shanny favorite and if he is healthy is the power runner to own. And Shanny hand picked Helu. Obviously Helu is what Shanny wants out of the position. So he is likely the future. Having said all that, it is a committee this year. I hate to say it, but Shanny has not been hiding the ball on this (heh). He'll go with the hot hand. Personally, I expect Helu to get more touches as the year goes on because he provides more flexibility in the pass game and teams eventually are going to be keying on Washington's power run game. Guys are going to get banged up soon. Just the nature of the game.

Torain is so much a Shanny favorite that he barely made the 53 man roster and did so because Royster couldn't beat him out.

Did Shanahan tell you this?

It was widely covered here locally both on sports radio and in print. And the fact that Torain was one of the last to make the team can speak volumes.HTH

What was the order in which the Redskins players made the team? How did they tell them? Did they have all the players sit around in a circle while Shanahan read off the names of the lucky 53? Did the lucky 53 jump up and down as their names were read?

 

[shnikies]

people seem to forget that THT was injured and has just had 2 weeks off for all intents and purposes. I think it's THT longterm, with healthy spelling by Torrain and helu. Right now it's a toss up who's gonna score more this week.

I think THT was a stop gap for this year. Torain is a Shanny favorite and if he is healthy is the power runner to own. And Shanny hand picked Helu. Obviously Helu is what Shanny wants out of the position. So he is likely the future. Having said all that, it is a committee this year. I hate to say it, but Shanny has not been hiding the ball on this (heh). He'll go with the hot hand. Personally, I expect Helu to get more touches as the year goes on because he provides more flexibility in the pass game and teams eventually are going to be keying on Washington's power run game. Guys are going to get banged up soon. Just the nature of the game.

Torain is so much a Shanny favorite that he barely made the 53 man roster and did so because Royster couldn't beat him out.

Did Shanahan tell you this?

It was widely covered here locally both on sports radio and in print. And the fact that Torain was one of the last to make the team can speak volumes.HTH

Why does it matter what talking heads and beat writers said? It seems like understandable speculation to think they wouldn't keep Torain due to his injury but it's speculation nonetheless and that has nothing to do with how Shanahan saw him regarding making the opening day roster.

 

[valhallan]

It was widely covered here locally both on sports radio and in print. And the fact that Torain was one of the last to make the team can speak volumes.

HTH

What was the order in which the Redskins players made the team? How did they tell them? Did they have all the players sit around in a circle while Shanahan read off the names of the lucky 53? Did the lucky 53 jump up and down as their names were read?

Shanahan: “Torain beat Evan out in the last game and that’s why he’s the third running back. We were hoping he could come back and play well and we thought he played well against Tampa to earn himself a position.”

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2011/09/shanahans-other-decisions.htmlHope you had fun being annoying today.

 

[hooter311]

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that Hightower was injured?