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Even worse for her.
It's not misogyny when it's true. Trump the dumb #### earned it tootommyGunZ said:
I wish we could move on too. Here's an idea: stop posting threads about her and then stroking her like she actually did anything on her own. All of her power was political, she used it, abused it, and everyone can see it, despite people like you licking her boots and saying "no, she cares a lot"timschochet said:
Let me guess, he's a liberal. Who got it wrong and wonders how the #### he got it wrong after nailing the previous two. And now needs to explain just why he wasn't really wrong, it was comey's fault
Sure, it had nothing to do with the classified emails he found sent from her account.
Personally, this plus the "I have public and private positions" line did her in with those still on the fence...though I can't imagine that was a ton of people.
It didn't need to be a ton of people. Trump won the electoral college by a grand total of like 70,000 votes.
She didn't do that at all. In fact the speech was extra careful about distinguishing the "economically left behind" from those racists and alt-right #######s. That was actually where the whole idea came from- the "basket of deplorables" were the dooshbags she had no chance to persuade and thus had to be set aside from the folks she did want to reach out to. Go ahead and read the whole bit if you don't believe me. Or just look at this excerpt, immediately after the bit about the basket of deplorables:
Exactly what you're saying she should have done, right? And it turns out she was actually doing it, in the same speech you think caused her downfall, but nobody wants to report that part.
This is like saying one play late in a football game was the reason Michigan lost to a DII school. The game should never have been close at that point. Michigan didn't lose that game because of one play just like Hillary didn't lose because of Comey. She lost because she was a terrible candidate throughout the campaign.
And that would've been fine....without the basket of deplorables part.
there is no Comey Letter without a private server.
I guess you can argue it's dumb if you think she should anticipated everyone misquoting her and using it against her. And maybe that's true. But even if it is I'd say the primary responsibility should rest with the people who misquoted her and the public who let them do so, with only secondary blame to Clinton for not anticipating how awful/easily misled those people would be.
Why can't both be true? If the DII school wins on a hail mary as time expired, I'd say, yeah, Michigan lost because of both (i) that hail mary play and (ii) allowing it to be one score game.
I dunno, IMO it would be like Trump saying "a good portion of Hillary voters are just poor lazy people who want a free handout".
Good point. I remember a lot of people wearing "Deplorables for Trump" shirts.....proudly.
Trump said way worse things about lots of people. He literally said "how stupid are the people of Iowa?" and then won the state by 9 points. In fact it's worth asking why he was allowed to get away with such things when Clinton was lambasted for saying far less.
You're nitpicking an analogy but I'll play along. They lost to a 48 point underdog because they played like crap, not because the ref wrongly overturned a call late in the game. Placing most or all of the blame on the ref for that one call would be ignoring the 5 fumbles, 3 ints, 10 penalties and all-around lousy defense against a physically inferior opponent.
1. I thought he talking about the GOP caucusers who went with Cruz?
My comment was tongue in cheek. Sorry. Trumps a ####, Hillary is a stupid whore no one wanted as pres
I don't think the crappy play is being ignored. My comment was that both can be true.
FWIW, I agree with you and Nate Silver. This issue ended up being decisive. Where I disagree with you is that I think Hillary has only herself to blame for this.
The point being if she was a decent candidate or didn't run a lousy campaign it wouldn't have mattered. She did not lose because of it. The fact that she's sitting on a stage six months later and still placing blame on Comey is pathetic.
I've never understood this argument. You hear it all the time in sports. "They never should have let it come down to that final play in the first place!" Sure, but changing the outcome of that final play still changes the result.
A ton of things go into an election result, and in a close election like this one many of them could have swayed it singlehandedly. What if the Steele dossier story had leaked two months earlier?
Whos taxes do you think would be more damning, the Clintons and their foundation, or Trumps?
Yeah, you're still not getting it. Both can be true. She can be a crappy candidate who ran a lousy campaign and it still might be true that she would have won but for Comey's letter to Congress. I don't know if it's true, but they're not mutually exclusive. Trump was a crappy candidate who ran a lousy campaign and if the Steele dossier story had come out two months earlier and then lost by a narrow margin someone could fairly ask if he lost because of it.
It is probably more fair to say she would have won the election if nobody had found out the DNC was actively working to tilt the playing field in her favor against Sanders.
Only because people ignored the context and people decided to hear it to mean the opposite of what was intended, as you've demonstrated. Trump gave us dozens of worse soundbites that still sounded bad even when treated fairly and in context, why didn't any of those drown out everything else?
She gave us a soundbite that drowned out everything else.
GTFO, she opened her self up to the possibility of renewed criticism so she can sell her new book.
